“ After 11 Years “

“ After 11 yrs “


Sad true facts:

First team worse off than when he arrived and worth less over all.

U23’s a disaster

U18’s doing awful

What has the clubs Accademy brought through in the last 11yrs?

Every 2 yrs we hear about another clear out, new plans, new ideas, but No improvements on the pitch.


Debt higher than when Tan arrived after receiving nearly £400 mill after two promotions and all the revenue from merchandise and ticket sales and advertising.

Debt was £50-£60mill when he arrived rose to over £200mill.
Paying off now the debt Tan made.


Wasted £mills upon £mills on a despicable rebrand and due to that divided our fan base beyond and merchandise worst ever sales for Prem club and changing it all back cost beyond. Lasted nearly 4 years
My worst days of supporting Cardiff City in 49yrs

Lost court cases and had to settle big time with Langston twice , DJ, Riddler , Ole etc costing £mills

Now in another case over Sala fee.

6 CEO’S

10 managers and another one soon.

New Stadium was here before Tan.

Both seasons in Prem a disaster.


And Committee that No nothing about football and All live far away.



Current debt approx £85mill, nearly £20mill more than 11 yrs ago,but the the squad over all is not worth much.



We also had a sanction against us for FFP under this present regime.


Then Tan formed a Transfer Committee nearly 5 years ago after blaming previous managers for our high debt and bad transfers.

The Committee: Vincent Tan, Dalman and Ken Choo and who ever the manager is.
Tan goes over every players contract before they are given to players.


Two different Consortiums tried to buy us in the last 2 yrs, both fell through, one the club decided no and the other an American company pulled out after looking at our books.



FOR FOUR YEARS DUE TO TANS DESPICABLE RED WE WERE THE LAUGHING STOCK
OF FOOTBALL & HAVE WE GONE FORWARD? NO

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Hard to disagree with any if the above

The clubs actually going from bad to worse

All that and still arguably the best period in the clubs history or at least in living memory.
11 years, 1 Cup final, 3 play off finishes, 2 automatic promotions including winning the league, 2 seasons in the Premier League.

How many Championship teams can say the same.

Twice promoted to the Premier League for the 1st time in my lifetime

A new all seater paid for stadium with a brand new stand

New training facilities

Planning permission for the soon to be started state of the art academy facilities

Bulk of the debt turned to equity

Let’s have a bit of balance at least

The facts are only what you want to see

The u23s have a average age of 19 because they moved most of the u18s up a grade early whilst at the same time either releasing/loaning out the more experienced players or bringing the better ones into the first team like Harris and Bagan. That type of move results in a poor season result wise before it gradually improves. Actually the under 18s in 2019 won the league for the first time but thats all forgotten now. Given that the u18s last year are all now up a grade the same applys for the new u18s who are all very young.

The first team is not worse off, we are in a similar position as we were before but with a squad that is worth a lot more money. We have achieved promotion twice in that time.
10 years ago Man utd were in the top 4 of the premier league. They have spent nearly a billion pound since and they have not moved position .

The rebrand was a mistake which he was badly advised on at the time but he has more than made up for his one mistake at this club multiple times. Everybody deserves a second chance, there is not a single person on this board who is perfect.

Every court case he has entered would be in the best interests of Cardiff city. Why would he pay multi millions if there was a chance it was not correct and legal. He is well within his rights to ask the question whether he won or lost. Again everybody on here would do the same when it came down to it.

The Sala case will play out in the new year and we will see who is right or wrong

You cant say we've had 10 managers when you count David Kerslake, Danny Gabbidon and Scott Young who were temporary and Dave Jones who was already here. That leaves 6 permanent managers that have been appointed and 1 of them was only Slade who was only to clear a squad out.

Two of Tans appointments achieved promotion and another one got to the play offs so the boards record is actually not that bad.

The committee has over 25 year of top level football management between them and Tan alone is the 4th longest serving owner in the championship . I would say now they have a very good knowledge of the inner working of football.

They mY have recieved over £400million in the 10 years but have also spent over £200 of that on transfer fees. Add in the agent fees and 10 years of championship/premier league wages (£45million on premier league wages alone under Warnock) plus all the other day to day running costs of a football club and it doesnt go very far. Just smthrowing out a £400milloon figure without any context can make anybody look bad .

The facts are we are a very stable club under a very good owner

We currently have issues on the pitch but that happens to every club. Look at Arsenal at the moment .

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

Agree with you the playing side at the club is a disaster.

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

Perfect example

I bet the Hull, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Bolton and Bury fans are all so pleased they don’t have Tan.

Also players paid on time , no high court visits . Also no threat of going bankrupt and losing our club . Beside the red fiasco ,Tan is the best owner we've ever had.

Football has ups and downs. We are in a down right now. The last 11 years have mostly been very enjoyable. Aside from the unforgivable rebrand Tan's era comes out glass half full for me. My first time watching City was against Aldershot and for many years all I saw was lower league garbage. There are some big clubs in the third tier so where we are right now is not a disaster. I don't have faith in Harris but being an optimist I still believe there will be better times to come for City.

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

We have had some success in that 11 years but it normally comes at a cost the one point is Tan has the money but he takes on people who know nothing about football why we have had such poor managers in charge. Tan needs to recruit football people who have been involved in the game.

We all know Dalman wants out he wanted to buy Charlton

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Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Bury etc are also badly run clubs, nobody is arguing that.

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Its very poor because he's done all you said and we are floundering near the bottom of tier two.dress it up as much as you like the club finds it impossible to establish itself in the premier or lift a major trophy .

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Its very poor because he's done all you said and we are floundering near the bottom of tier two.dress it up as much as you like the club finds it impossible to establish itself in the premier or lift a major trophy .

But that is on field issues not board issues. The board have made everything possible available to the managers and team . Its the managers that have failed to keep us up not the board.

They hired the most successful manager in our leagues history and still failed in the end. What could they have done differently?

The first time they sacked malkey and everyone blamed them for relegation as apparently he would have kept us up

The second time they kept faith in warnock but were still blamed because we were relegated.

They can't win either way

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Bury etc are also badly run clubs, nobody is arguing that.

Aye Ned.

Those clubs though don't have parachute payments to fall back on. I just wonder if we will be joining them next season.

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Bury etc are also badly run clubs, nobody is arguing that.

Aye Ned.

Those clubs though don't have parachute payments to fall back on. I just wonder if we will be joining them next season.

No we won't because Tan will support the club up if it comes to that and have a sound financial plan to counteract any drop in incomings like they have done for years, even if that means letting a few players go .

Still nobody has answered the question, just a few sly digs . In what way is our club poorly run by the board ?

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Still the best time since I started going to the city in1971.
Tan saved us from going under..
never bite the hand that feeds you.
So for me he has been one of the best owners.

Our club is a joke. I don’t normally post on here but fully agree with Annis.

Tan who is clearly an excellent businessman has failed miserably in this venture.

He is reason why we owe him so much money!!!

What needs to happen if he won’t sell is for Ken choo to leave. We need a football person in charge of day to day running of the club. That person needs to oversee the club from top to bottom. We need an academy that’s well regarded with a clear pathway to first team for young welsh players that the fans can relate too.

I’m sick of the way the club is run. Commercially it is poor. The lack of real sponsors says it all.

The transfer committee is a farce. Aden flint for 5 million quid on 26 k a week is madness. Why sign him when he’s a poor version of Morrison. They let the club go into this season with 1 inexperienced right back.

Tan needs to listen to people who know about football. Not yes men who lick his arse!!!

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Bury etc are also badly run clubs, nobody is arguing that.

Aye Ned.

Those clubs though don't have parachute payments to fall back on. I just wonder if we will be joining them next season.

No we won't because Tan will support the club up if it comes to that and have a sound financial plan to counteract any drop in incomings like they have done for years, even if that means letting a few players go .

Still nobody has answered the question, just a few sly digs . In what way is our club poorly run by the board ?

You do know Thomas we had a sanction against us for FFP under this regime?

Our club is a joke. I don’t normally post on here but fully agree with Annis.

Tan who is clearly an excellent businessman has failed miserably in this venture.

He is reason why we owe him so much money!!!

What needs to happen if he won’t sell is for Ken choo to leave. We need a football person in charge of day to day running of the club. That person needs to oversee the club from top to bottom. We need an academy that’s well regarded with a clear pathway to first team for young welsh players that the fans can relate too.

I’m sick of the way the club is run. Commercially it is poor. The lack of real sponsors says it all.

The transfer committee is a farce. Aden flint for 5 million quid on 26 k a week is madness. Why sign him when he’s a poor version of Morrison. They let the club go into this season with 1 inexperienced right back.

Tan needs to listen to people who know about football. Not yes men who lick his arse!!!

Again

How has he failed in his venture ?
He said he would lead us to the premier league and has done that twice .

We owe money because we wanted success and that takes investment. If he hadn't invested and we stayed static then people would moan of no ambition.

What sponsors would you like ?
Not sure what difference it makes.

You cant say the board let us go into the season with one right back then moan about the board getting involved in the playing side.

Can you name this all knowing football person that everyone keeps going on about and what it is exactly that makes him a football man please

Still the best time since I started going to the city in1971.
Tan saved us from going under..
never bite the hand that feeds you.
So for me he has been one of the best owners.

Glad you enjoyed the redbirds

Our club is a joke. I don’t normally post on here but fully agree with Annis.

Tan who is clearly an excellent businessman has failed miserably in this venture.

He is reason why we owe him so much money!!!

What needs to happen if he won’t sell is for Ken choo to leave. We need a football person in charge of day to day running of the club. That person needs to oversee the club from top to bottom. We need an academy that’s well regarded with a clear pathway to first team for young welsh players that the fans can relate too.

I’m sick of the way the club is run. Commercially it is poor. The lack of real sponsors says it all.

The transfer committee is a farce. Aden flint for 5 million quid on 26 k a week is madness. Why sign him when he’s a poor version of Morrison. They let the club go into this season with 1 inexperienced right back.

Tan needs to listen to people who know about football. Not yes men who lick his arse!!!

Again

How has he failed in his venture ?
He said he would lead us to the premier league and has done that twice .

We owe money because we wanted success and that takes investment. If he hadn't invested and we stayed static then people would moan of no ambition.

What sponsors would you like ?
Not sure what difference it makes.

You cant say the board let us go into the season with one right back then moan about the board getting involved in the playing side.

Can you name this all knowing football person that everyone keeps going on about and what it is exactly that makes him a football man please

He’s failed as we are worse off than when we started!

When you invest at our level you buy young hungry assets not donkeys on a million pound deals with no motivation.

As regards football man then there are a number of candidates. Steve McPhail would be my choice as he’s doing a director of football job already. Plenty of others out there.

Visit Malaysia gives us bugger all compared to other clubs in similar positions.

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Bury etc are also badly run clubs, nobody is arguing that.

Aye Ned.

Those clubs though don't have parachute payments to fall back on. I just wonder if we will be joining them next season.

No we won't because Tan will support the club up if it comes to that and have a sound financial plan to counteract any drop in incomings like they have done for years, even if that means letting a few players go .

Still nobody has answered the question, just a few sly digs . In what way is our club poorly run by the board ?

You do know Thomas we had a sanction against us for FFP under this regime?

Yes and it was at a time that all clubs were adjusting to the new rules and we had just come down from the premier league. It was sorted out pretty much immediately and has not arisen again since. Also there were multiple clubs that season in the same position including Bournemouth, Fulham and Nottingham forest actually if I remember right it was about 11 clubs sanctioned at the same time whilst adjusting to the regulations.

Our club is a joke. I don’t normally post on here but fully agree with Annis.

Tan who is clearly an excellent businessman has failed miserably in this venture.

He is reason why we owe him so much money!!!

What needs to happen if he won’t sell is for Ken choo to leave. We need a football person in charge of day to day running of the club. That person needs to oversee the club from top to bottom. We need an academy that’s well regarded with a clear pathway to first team for young welsh players that the fans can relate too.

I’m sick of the way the club is run. Commercially it is poor. The lack of real sponsors says it all.

The transfer committee is a farce. Aden flint for 5 million quid on 26 k a week is madness. Why sign him when he’s a poor version of Morrison. They let the club go into this season with 1 inexperienced right back.

Tan needs to listen to people who know about football. Not yes men who lick his arse!!!

Again

How has he failed in his venture ?
He said he would lead us to the premier league and has done that twice .

We owe money because we wanted success and that takes investment. If he hadn't invested and we stayed static then people would moan of no ambition.

What sponsors would you like ?
Not sure what difference it makes.

You cant say the board let us go into the season with one right back then moan about the board getting involved in the playing side.

Can you name this all knowing football person that everyone keeps going on about and what it is exactly that makes him a football man please

He’s failed as we are worse off than when we started!

When you invest at our level you buy young hungry assets not donkeys on a million pound deals with no motivation.

As regards football man then there are a number of candidates. Steve McPhail would be my choice as he’s doing a director of football job already. Plenty of others out there.

Visit Malaysia gives us bugger all compared to other clubs in similar positions.

How are we worse off than when we started ? Same league and similar position but with a squad worth a lot more money and parachute payments to fall back on. When we started we were in a mess off the pitch with court cases stackingnup and having to sell anyone worth any money to stay alive.

So young hungry players like say Brentford who sign and sell everyone without going anywhere ?

Would you choose Stephen Mcphail if he had not played for us?
Do you know him personally and have a personal opinion of his football Knowledge, not saying he would be a bad appointment but just because he has played football doesn't make him suitable for a role like that.

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

In what way is it poor ?

Multiple record signings
Funds available every year
Big name managers
Big name loan signings
No winding up orders
Wages always paid
Always in toe with FFP
Stadium extentions
Two promotions
Multiple play off finishes
Cup finals

If we are a badly run club then I would hate to see how clubs like Sheff Wed are run

Its very poor because he's done all you said and we are floundering near the bottom of tier two.dress it up as much as you like the club finds it impossible to establish itself in the premier or lift a major trophy .

Aye,us and 80 odd other clubs.

100% agree with every point in what the original poster has said.


Tan HAS put money into the club and is and has been taken it all back, but so have many many other owners. BUT he has wanted to be owner, manager, tactician, director of football and chief scout all at the same time with no football knowledge.

On the whole, appointed appalling managers, (a few lucky exceptions), bought dross players ( too often not the managers call as there is this 'transfer committee').

Wants to run the club like a business, ( admirable), but when it's clear it cannot be, he continues blindly.

Has no passion for the club or it's fans. Treats us like Mushrooms.

Clearly believes we can operate with such a small squad that a few injuries absolutely decimate us.

The last fun, flowing football we had was under DJ. Our football for 10 years, even in the promotion years has not once been easy on the eye.

Agreed I would rather have Chops, Bothroyd, Burke, McNaughton, Koumas, McCormack, Olofinjana than ANY OF TODAYS players.

I've said before and I'll say again, Board OUT!

WE ARE WALES CAPITAL CLUB AND SHOULD HAVE A CLUB IN THE TOP FLIGHT. WHAT OTHER EUROPEAN CAPITOL HAS A FLOUNDERING CLUB WITH ZERO DIRECTION??

Great question, how are we doing now? struggling on and off the field in all departments and owners who don’t give a f**k