' IN A NUTSHELL BREXIT DEAL '

TRADE

First zero-tariff, zero-quota trade deal in EU history

There will be no tariffs on the movement of goods between the UK and the EU, and no limit on the quantity of any types of goods that can be traded

Agreement covers cross-border trade worth more than £600 billion a year

But a slew of non-tariff barriers will come into force, including extra customs checks and forms

And there could be tariffs in future if there are disputes over state aid or standards

Britain can sign free trade deals with other countries, because it has left the single market



VERDICT: A UK win. Britain is given highly advantageous access to the single market for a country which is outside it – avoiding the threat of 10 per cent tariffs which would have come in under No Deal. Mr Johnson likened it to the 'Canada-plus-plus' arrangement he had been striving for.




CUSTOMS AND RED TAPE

New regulatory burdens will make it more costly to do business in the EU, such as new 'rules of origin' regulations which mean UK firms must self-certify the origin of exports to the EU

But both sides agree to limit customs red tape, including new 'trusted trader' rules to speed things up at the border

Extra cooperation at 'roll-on roll-off' ports such as Dover and Holyhead to minimise disruption

Specific agreements to make trade in wine, pharmaceuticals, cars and chemicals easier

VERDICT: A narrow win for the EU. Britain had argued for trade to be as 'frictionless' as possible, but this deal means there will be some significant non-tariff barriers
TRADE: A UK win. Britain is given highly advantageous access to the single market for a country which is outside it – avoiding the threat of 10 per cent tariffs which would have come in under No Deal



TRADE: A UK win. Britain is given highly advantageous access to the single market for a country which is outside it – avoiding the threat of 10 per cent tariffs which would have come in under No Deal



AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY

British car manufacturers can use parts from overseas

UK car firms in the North East will be able to source 60 per cent of their parts from outside the UK and the EU – and still export them to Europe

This level will be reduced in subsequent years, allowing companies to adapt

VERDICT: A win for UK. The EU had wanted no transition period



SUBSIDIES AND STATE AID

Both sides must be transparent about subsidies they give businesses, to ensure firms don't get an unfair advantage

The EU and the UK must set up an independent authority to oversee state aid

There is no set limit for how much state aid qualifies as a problem, and disputes will be resolved on a case-by-case basis

VERDICT: A draw. Britain is not bound by the EU 'state aid' rules which regulate how much help governments can give companies – but on the other hand, it does not have complete freedom




FINANCIAL SERVICES

Free movement of services will end, meaning British firms will have to comply with varying rules across member states

Five hundred pages long – and not yet published – it sets out the future relationship between the UK and the continent. Pictured: Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen on the steps of No.10

Five hundred pages long – and not yet published – it sets out the future relationship between the UK and the continent. Pictured: Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen on the steps of No.10

No decision on 'equivalence', which would allow financial firms such as banks to sell their services into the EU single market from the City of London

No joint declaration to support enhanced cooperation on financial oversight until at least March

VERDICT: A win for the EU. Services are worth 80 per cent of British exports and they are not covered in the agreement, putting Brussels in the driving seat



LEVEL PLAYING FIELD

No commitment to 'dynamic alignment' or anything which would force the UK to mirror European standards

Both sides agree a 'non-regression' clause which means they must not lower their standards in a bid to undercut each other on trade

This applies to environment rules, social and labour standards, and tax transparency

Britain agreed to a 'rebalancing mechanism' under which the EU could hit back with tariffs if the UK takes action which puts its firms at an unfair advantage

VERDICT: Narrow win for the UK. The Government will not have to move in lock-step with EU changes to standards, but the UK will have its access to the European market reduced if it diverges too far – and it cannot fall below agreed standards to give itself a competitive advantage



DISPUTE RESOLUTION

No role for the European Court of Justice

Either side can hit the other with tariffs – but if one side thinks the decision is unfair they can take it to an arbitration panel

A Partnership Council of EU and UK representatives will oversee the implementation of the agreement

CRIME, SECURITY AND EXTRADITION: UK win. Remainers had often said it would be impossible to reach such a deal without submitting to the European Court of Justice
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CRIME, SECURITY AND EXTRADITION: UK win. Remainers had often said it would be impossible to reach such a deal without submitting to the European Court of Justice

If there is no agreement, an international arbitration tribunal, chaired by an independent figure, will make a binding decision

Tariffs can be imposed only by the arbitrator, and the EU cannot unilaterally impose 'lightning tariffs'

VERDICT: A clear UK win. This was a key demand: that the UK should remain outside the scope of EU law. The new dispute mechanism will be based on international law. Mr Johnson also saw off EU demands for a 'ratchet clause' which would have allowed the EU to impose unilateral tariffs if it was unhappy at our standards or state aid



FISHING

Britain will take back 25 per cent of the current EU fish quota, worth £146 million a year

But this will happen only after a transition period of five and a half years, to allow EU fishermen to seek other fishing grounds

At the end of this period, the UK will be in charge of about two thirds of its catch

From 2026, there will be annual negotiation on the extent of European access

EU dropped its 'hammer' demand that it could impose sanctions across any sector it wished if it did not get what it wanted on fishing

VERDICT: A narrow EU win. A significant compromise from the UK following the most intractable part of the discussions. Mr Johnson had wanted 80 per cent of the EU quota back after three years, but in the end he had to agree to even lower than his final 35 per cent offer.

British fishermen will be in a better position than they were, but the agreement will still be a bitter blow. Brussels dropped its demand that fisheries and the trade deal be linked, removing the threat of UK firms being denied access to the single market following fish disputes
FISHING: A narrow EU win. A significant compromise from the UK following the most intractable part of the discussions

AGRICULTURE

Farmers will benefit from zero tariffs and zero quotas

But UK agrifood consignments will have to have health certificates and undergo sanitary controls

Both sides can maintain their own sanitary standards

VERDICT: UK win. The zero tariffs agreement is much better than the equivalent under WTO rules, which could have seen tariffs of up to 40 per cent imposed

AVIATION AND TRUCKING

The EU has not granted automatic recognition to British aerospace designs and products

This will not happen until the EU gains confidence in the UK's capability for regulation

Both sides commit to efficient management of visa and border arrangements for hauliers

VERDICT: Narrow EU win. Britain had hoped for greater agreement on aviation



CRIME, SECURITY AND EXTRADITION

Cooperation on investigation into terrorism and serious crime

Britain will no longer have real-time access to DNA, fingerprint and airline passenger information, but will receive them quickly

Britain loses membership of Europol and Eurojust, but the UK will cooperate with them

Close cooperation on extraditions but with further safeguards beyond the European Arrest Warrant

VERDICT: UK win. Remainers had often said it would be impossible to reach such a deal without submitting to the European Court of Justice. That has been achieved, and the UK also retains the right to deport foreign criminals



TRAVEL AND MIGRATION

Holidaymakers can visit the continent for 90 days without a visa

TRAVEL AND MIGRATION: Another UK win. One of the key promises of the Vote Leave campaign was that Britain would be able to set its own immigration policy
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TRAVEL AND MIGRATION: Another UK win. One of the key promises of the Vote Leave campaign was that Britain would be able to set its own immigration policy

No work permits for business travellers, who can also travel to EU for 90 days in any 180-day period

EU pet passports no longer valid for UK residents

End to free movement of people with the EU; replaced by a points-based immigration system

VERDICT: Another UK win. One of the key promises of the Vote Leave campaign was that Britain would be able to set its own immigration policy.




EDUCATION AND QUALIFICATIONS

Britain will not take part in the Erasmus university exchange programme, replacing it with a less-expensive 'Turing' scheme

No automatic mutual recognition of professional qualifications, such as doctors, vets and engineers

Provides a framework for future recognition

Agreement on recognition of lawyers' qualifications

VERDICT: EU win. UK had wanted 'comprehensive coverage' on the mutual recognition of professional qualifications.
EDUCATION AND QUALIFICATIONS: EU win. UK had wanted ‘comprehensive coverage’ on the mutual recognition of professional qualifications

EDUCATION AND QUALIFICATIONS: EU win. UK had wanted 'comprehensive coverage' on the mutual recognition of professional qualifications

HEALTH AND SOCIAL SECURITY
European Health Insurance Cards (EHIC) will still be valid, allowing British nationals to access free healthcare on the continent

Coordination of various social security rules, allowing those living abroad to access pensions

Agreement prevents the export of child benefits

VERDICT: UK win. Britain will retain control on social security benefits to EU migrants while ensuring holidaymakers can access free healthcare

NORTHERN IRELAND

The province will have to follow single market rules to ensure its border with Ireland remains open

Customs procedures for goods crossing the Irish Sea, because Northern Ireland will have access to the EU customs union while remaining in the UK customs union

There will be physical checks on some plant and animal products, but not at the border

Ulster will remain subject to many EU rules overseen by the European Court of Justice

VERDICT: A compromise. This was what Mr Johnson had to agree to so the UK was not subject to the backstop which scuppered Theresa May's deal
HEALTH AND SOCIAL SECURITY: UK win. Britain will retain control on social security benefits to EU migrants while ensuring holidaymakers can access free healthcare



HEALTH AND SOCIAL SECURITY: UK win. Britain will retain control on social security benefits to EU migrants while ensuring holidaymakers can access free healthcare

BREAK CLAUSE

After four years, the whole deal could be terminated if either the UK or the EU believes it is not working

The entire trade deal can also be reopened if the two sides cannot resolve a serious dispute

Individual chapters of the trade agreement can also be reopened if there are disputes

VERDICT: UK win. This ensures British sovereignty is maintained if it is unhappy with the way the agreement works out. It ensures the UK will not be subject to unilateral sanctions from Brussels.


So what does this deal mean for you? Visa-free travel every six months, no permits to drive on the continent - but holiday homes could cost more and food prices may still rise
Visa-free travel for six months every year





Will I still be able to go on holiday in Europe?

Yes. UK citizens can travel across Europe without a visa for up to six months in a year, and a maximum of 90 days within a 180-day period. This would have been the case even in a No Deal scenario. However, freedom to travel may continue to be constrained by emergency coronavirus restrictions. You should have at least six months left on your passport before you travel, as already advised by the Government. From 2022, UK nationals will also have to pay for a visa-waiver scheme to visit many EU countries. The fee is yet to be decided by the EU but it will cover three-year periods and allow people to enter the Schengen Area for up to 90 days within any 180-day period.




Will my European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) still work?

Yes, for now, and then the UK will provide its own version. All EHIC cards issued before the end of 2020 will be valid – but only until their expiry dates. After that, the UK will issue a new card called the UK Global Health Insurance Card (GHIC), but there are no further details yet on how to obtain it or from when it will be available.


What will the new card cover?

Like the EHIC, it will cover chronic or existing illnesses and routine maternity care as well as emergencies.

The Brexit agreement says any specialised treatment, such as dialysis or cancer treatment, 'must be subject to a prior agreement between the insured person and the unit providing the treatment' to ensure the treatment is available.




Can I still take my pet on holidays in Europe?

Yes, though pet passports will no longer be valid from January 1. It has been agreed that Britain will be given 'part two listed' status, allowing pets to travel within EU borders. Owners will need to ensure their pets have been vaccinated against rabies and microchipped to get an animal health certificate. You must obtain a new certificate ten days before travelling. The document will be valid for only four months and for a single trip. Dogs must already by law be microchipped in the UK. A consultation is under way to extend this to cats next year.
UK citizens can travel across Europe without a visa for up to six months in a year, and a maximum of 90 days within a 180-day period

UK citizens can travel across Europe without a visa for up to six months in a year, and a maximum of 90 days within a 180-day period
Any surprises in store at the supermarket?



Will my weekly groceries cost more?

Hopefully not in the long-term. Businesses have welcomed the deal that allows tariff-free and quota-free access to one of the world's biggest markets. A No Deal Brexit would have added £3billion a year to the cost of food for UK consumers, according to the British Retail Consortium.

The trade body, which represents UK retailers, said households around the country could breathe a 'collective sigh of relief'. However, chief executive Helen Dickinson warned the Government would need to act quickly to 'reduce the checks and red tape' that will come in on January 1.


Will the shelves be empty?

This is where we may have a problem. An overview published by the European Commission suggested the EU would immediately implement tough new checks on food products – with no grace period.

Leaders in British food and farming have warned that this, plus the chaos in Dover and last-minute nature of the deal, is likely to result in some price rises. They also fear perishable food will become caught in border queues. The UK's food chain could well be 'slower, more complex and more expensive for months if not years', according to the Cold Chain Federation.
Keeping an eye on the crooks



Will we know if offenders come to UK from the EU?

Yes ... to an extent. As expected, UK police and intelligence agencies are to be cut off from the EU's most sensitive real-time crime databases. But security services will still have access to crucial air passenger data, criminal record information, and DNA, fingerprint and vehicle registration data through the PNR and Prüm databases.




Can we catch criminals who flee Britain?

Not as easily. We will no longer be part of the European Arrest Warrant system, which allows swift extradition of criminals between EU countries. It is not clear what will replace this. Our police will, however, still be able to extradite criminals via Interpol and fall back on the 1957 European Convention on Extradition.
We will probably have to wait for the full document to see if there are any safeguards for Britons with homes abroad.

We will probably have to wait for the full document to see if there are any safeguards for Britons with homes abroad. Pictured is Cyprus
That home from home could cost a little more





What about my holiday house?

We will probably have to wait for the full document to see if there are any safeguards for Britons with homes abroad.

Experts have already warned that property taxes could rise to higher rates which apply only to non-EU citizens.

Property insurance costs could also rise and mortgages become more difficult to obtain for British citizens looking to buy houses or apartments in the EU.
Students 'betrayed' as Britain quits Erasmus exchange programme because it's 'too expensive' as part of Brexit deal

Boris Johnson was accused of betraying thousands of students after the UK pulled out of the Erasmus exchange programme.

The scheme, which allowed students to study in countries across Europe for up to a year, will be replaced by a worldwide programme named after Bletchley Park code breaker Alan Turing, pictured.

Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, said he regretted Britain's choice to leave.

But Mr Johnson said the UK had made the 'tough decision' because the scheme is 'extremely expensive'.

He told a press conference: 'Students will have the opportunity not just to go to European universities, but to go to the best universities in the world.'

The Erasmus scheme gives financial support to participants, and around 17,000 British university students take part each year.

The move to abandon Erasmus was heavily criticised.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon tweeted: 'Ending UK participation in Erasmus – an initiative that has expanded opportunities and horizons for so many young people – is cultural vandalism by the UK Government.'

Lib Dem MP Layla Moran said it was 'a betrayal of young people'.

The new scheme is not expected to fund students coming to Britain, as Erasmus does now. A report this year said Erasmus is worth £243million a year to the UK economy, after membership costs, thanks to EU students visiting Britain.

Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle said a one-sided scheme would leave the UK poorer.



But any owners will continue to be protected by the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the European Convention on Human Rights.


What if I live in the EU?

There was little reassurance for Britons already living in Europe, whose rights have so far been safeguarded by the UK's 2019 withdrawal agreement.

From January 1, the UK will no longer have freedom of movement, meaning Britons will have to obtain a visa if they want to stay in the EU longer than 90 days.

No information has emerged yet as to whether current expats will be afforded any concessions.

Any expats continuing to enjoy their favourite television programmes from home should brace themselves – it may become harder for them to watch UK channels abroad.

British TV and video-on-demand providers will no longer be able to offer their service across Europe unless they relocate part of their business to an EU member state.
The pound in your pocket





Will it be harder to access my money?

It is uncertain. Banks may have to apply for a licence to work in each different EU jurisdiction, which is costly and time-consuming.


Will it cost more to get currency on holiday?

Not if current rates are anything to by. Sterling surged ahead of the deal – a good thing if you're on holiday on the continent as a stronger pound means your money is worth more in euros.
Take care when you call







Will I pay extra to use my mobile abroad?

Probably not – as long as you're careful. The EU ban on roaming charges will end on January 1 but, as part of the deal, the UK and EU have agreed to co-operate on 'fair and transparent rates for international mobile roaming'.

Fortunately, four main providers in the UK – EE, 02, Vodafone and Three – have said they have no plans to reintroduce roaming charges.
It's business as usual... with a few new rules





Can I still work in the EU?

With a little more difficulty. Britons will no longer have complete freedom to work or start a business in the EU. However, arrangements have been made to facilitate short-term business trips. For any stays longer than 90 days they will need a visa.

What if I'm a specialist in my field?

Employees in highly skilled jobs who have been seconded to the EU are subject to less strict rules, with managers allowed to stay for up to three years and trainees for one year.

That said, it will probably be harder for doctors, nurses, dentists, engineers and vets wanting to practise abroad because there will be no more automatic recognition of qualifications. Instead, they will have to seek new recognition in whichever member state they choose to go to.



Can I study abroad?

Yes. The UK has pulled out of the EU-funded student exchange programme Erasmus for financial reasons, but it is being replaced by a new scheme named after Bletchley Park code breaker Alan Turing that will allow British students to go to universities worldwide.
Keep on motoring





Can I still drive in Europe?

Yes. The UK Mission to the EU said last night that those with a driving licence issued in the UK would not need to use an International Drivers Permit in the EU, as had previously been thought likely.

How do I get the extra documents?

An international driving permit is available at the Post Office for £5.50. You also need a car insurance green card which acts as proof that you are insured in the UK through your provider, which can take up to six weeks.

Thanks Roger

Just read it all and meant a lot to me

I am happy with it

To be fair to Boris Johnson, and I haven't read the full text yet, it looks on initial thoughts like it's a lot better than I thought it would be.

To be fair to Boris Johnson, and I haven't read the full text yet, it looks on initial thoughts like it's a lot better than I thought it would be.

Ned, that’s exactly how I see it and you know I don’t like Boris anymore.

This is all opinions, wins, narrow wins etc. Its only time that will tell whether this has all been worth it. I don't subscribe to the remainer view that this will mean a disaster equally I don't believe this is the start of an economic boom for the Uk either, far from it! Lots of heart ache and billions spent for not a lot of gain is my view. What I would like to see is an end to this UK v EU right wing rhetoric. They are not our enemies as so many in the right wing like to portray.

On qualifications, the UK is still perceived as a high standard in terms of professional qaulifications and skills, and I'm not sure that was down to the EU anyway, it will be decided by the Employer and the Naric network. No change as far as I can see.

without reading too much into your reasons and comments - Please can you explain how you think that losing freedom of movement is a win for the UK?

Overall, doesn't look so bad as was being painted.
My main concern was to take back charge of immigration as I believe things had become out of control.

without reading too much into your reasons and comments - Please can you explain how you think that losing freedom of movement is a win for the UK?

Well it doesn't stop people from moving in between EU countries just bit more difficult ? but why we win is we have the right to stop migrants and others from coming to uk after moving through EU countries to come to uk to pick up our generous benefits and housing... overall leaving will mean more difficulties doing trade ect but we are not dictated to what we do and how we do it...

You watch lots of MPs will moan and groan but still not want a no deal.Accept or no deal

Some of them are a bit dubious e.g. This was a UK 'win' : "Britain will no longer have real-time access to DNA, fingerprint and airline passenger information, but will receive them quickly

Britain loses membership of Europol and Eurojust".

I think that it's looking at it from a no deal perspective. Looking at it from the perspective of our current deal and is it really better?

Its fair in that - if we can control who comes into the UK - the EU can do the same to us.
If they agree to no state aid and we want to trade tariff free - then we do the same.

Each party must have the right to walk away / impose tariffs if the other side breaches the agreement - fair enough.

As for services etc - finance companies will setup country offices and trade through these - no different to what starbucks does t, this is how they avoid paying any tax.

MP's want to chat about it , even Drippy Drakeford is calling back AM's in order to discuss it - WTF for - there is nothing they can do re any of it - it's a UK wide deal. There is nothing winging windbag MPs can do about it really. In cant be modified or amended now - that wont stop them trying. There only option is approve it or reject it - and we go to No Deal.

I think now maybe the time to let Scotland go if they want to. They can go cap in hand to Brussels instead, they can adopt the Euro , should they be allowed to join the EU that is. They can hand over the fish and oil in their waters to the EU at the same time. They can also take their share of the covid debt with them.

I wish the SNP nothing but good luck ....

Its fair in that - if we can control who comes into the UK - the EU can do the same to us.
If they agree to no state aid and we want to trade tariff free - then we do the same.

Each party must have the right to walk away / impose tariffs if the other side breaches the agreement - fair enough.

As for services etc - finance companies will setup country offices and trade through these - no different to what starbucks does t, this is how they avoid paying any tax.

MP's want to chat about it , even Drippy Drakeford is calling back AM's in order to discuss it - WTF for - there is nothing they can do re any of it - it's a UK wide deal. There is nothing winging windbag MPs can do about it really. In cant be modified or amended now - that wont stop them trying. There only option is approve it or reject it - and we go to No Deal.

I think now maybe the time to let Scotland go if they want to. They can go cap in hand to Brussels instead, they can adopt the Euro , should they be allowed to join the EU that is. They can hand over the fish and oil in their waters to the EU at the same time. They can also take their share of the covid debt with them.

How does that work it is the uk waters not the scottish waters, and how would the border between Scotland and England be policed. The EU would not allow Scotland in!


I wish the SNP nothing but good luck ....

Its fair in that - if we can control who comes into the UK - the EU can do the same to us.
If they agree to no state aid and we want to trade tariff free - then we do the same.

Each party must have the right to walk away / impose tariffs if the other side breaches the agreement - fair enough.

As for services etc - finance companies will setup country offices and trade through these - no different to what starbucks does t, this is how they avoid paying any tax.

MP's want to chat about it , even Drippy Drakeford is calling back AM's in order to discuss it - WTF for - there is nothing they can do re any of it - it's a UK wide deal. There is nothing winging windbag MPs can do about it really. In cant be modified or amended now - that wont stop them trying. There only option is approve it or reject it - and we go to No Deal.

I think now maybe the time to let Scotland go if they want to. They can go cap in hand to Brussels instead, they can adopt the Euro , should they be allowed to join the EU that is. They can hand over the fish and oil in their waters to the EU at the same time. They can also take their share of the covid debt with them.

How does that work it is the uk waters not the scottish waters, and how would the border between Scotland and England be policed. The EU would not allow Scotland in!


I wish the SNP nothing but good luck ....

They cannot be a full member as not enough money in their country unless EU change membership rules? Best thing boris could do is tell sturgeon yes you can have independence but you will then be cut off financially from Westminster....... that will excersise the minds of scots people..

without reading too much into your reasons and comments - Please can you explain how you think that losing freedom of movement is a win for the UK?

Well it doesn't stop people from moving in between EU countries just bit more difficult ? but why we win is we have the right to stop migrants and others from coming to uk after moving through EU countries to come to uk to pick up our generous benefits and housing... overall leaving will mean more difficulties doing trade ect but we are not dictated to what we do and how we do it...

Thanks for taking the time to respond Allan - we have always had control of our borders and who does or does not enter. It is a common misconception that we have been obliged by the EU to take in those we do not wish too; this of course is all part of the Vote Leave propaganda. Have you ever tried to enter here without showing a passport which now for the most part has biometrics and eye screening, meaning that you can't pretend to be someone you are not... I am at a loss as to why people can't grasp this. And I personally have never met a single EU migrant [and I know plenty as I have a Polish partner] who came here for the benefits as they can' get them for sometime after arrival anyway. And do we win when all the nurses, service industry workers etc. have gone home because they don't wish to be targeted by some very vocal elements of society as not British? This is as we are all aware is already happening. So, to sum up, we can stop anyone we like from entering and always have been able to, we are going to lose thousands of key workers, and there are restrictions on our movements that weren't there before. I would love to know how that can be classified as a win? Its like saying we lost 3-2 but our goals were better than the oppositions, so we won really.

without reading too much into your reasons and comments - Please can you explain how you think that losing freedom of movement is a win for the UK?

Well it doesn't stop people from moving in between EU countries just bit more difficult ? but why we win is we have the right to stop migrants and others from coming to uk after moving through EU countries to come to uk to pick up our generous benefits and housing... overall leaving will mean more difficulties doing trade ect but we are not dictated to what we do and how we do it...

Thanks for taking the time to respond Allan - we have always had control of our borders and who does or does not enter. It is a common misconception that we have been obliged by the EU to take in those we do not wish too; this of course is all part of the Vote Leave propaganda. Have you ever tried to enter here without showing a passport which now for the most part has biometrics and eye screening, meaning that you can't pretend to be someone you are not... I am at a loss as to why people can't grasp this. And I personally have never met a single EU migrant [and I know plenty as I have a Polish partner] who came here for the benefits as they can' get them for sometime after arrival anyway. And do we win when all the nurses, service industry workers etc. have gone home because they don't wish to be targeted by some very vocal elements of society as not British? This is as we are all aware is already happening. So, to sum up, we can stop anyone we like from entering and always have been able to, we are going to lose thousands of key workers, and there are restrictions on our movements that weren't there before. I would love to know how that can be classified as a win? Its like saying we lost 3-2 but our goals were better than the oppositions, so we won really.

See your point but how or why are authorities in EU helping refugees/migrants travel through EU to come to uk when clearly the law or rule is place they 1st landed is place they apply for asylum ? You cannot say that's not case because we all know it's been happening... genuine refugees have always been allowed but unfortunately EU stance of allowing migrants to get to Calais and do little to stop them crossing as made uk anti migration of anyone as we've seen with Brexit.... did you know I wanted to move to Cardiff 7yr waiting list but if was Romanian or other migrant 6 months in hotel then get housed because cheaper to do that than keep in hotel that was from official I had interview with.. .. and that tends to be common knowledge with locals everywhere..

without reading too much into your reasons and comments - Please can you explain how you think that losing freedom of movement is a win for the UK?

Well it doesn't stop people from moving in between EU countries just bit more difficult ? but why we win is we have the right to stop migrants and others from coming to uk after moving through EU countries to come to uk to pick up our generous benefits and housing... overall leaving will mean more difficulties doing trade ect but we are not dictated to what we do and how we do it...

Thanks for taking the time to respond Allan - we have always had control of our borders and who does or does not enter. It is a common misconception that we have been obliged by the EU to take in those we do not wish too; this of course is all part of the Vote Leave propaganda. Have you ever tried to enter here without showing a passport which now for the most part has biometrics and eye screening, meaning that you can't pretend to be someone you are not... I am at a loss as to why people can't grasp this. And I personally have never met a single EU migrant [and I know plenty as I have a Polish partner] who came here for the benefits as they can' get them for sometime after arrival anyway. And do we win when all the nurses, service industry workers etc. have gone home because they don't wish to be targeted by some very vocal elements of society as not British? This is as we are all aware is already happening. So, to sum up, we can stop anyone we like from entering and always have been able to, we are going to lose thousands of key workers, and there are restrictions on our movements that weren't there before. I would love to know how that can be classified as a win? Its like saying we lost 3-2 but our goals were better than the oppositions, so we won really.

See your point but how or why are authorities in EU helping refugees/migrants travel through EU to come to uk when clearly the law or rule is place they 1st landed is place they apply for asylum ? You cannot say that's not case because we all know it's been happening... genuine refugees have always been allowed but unfortunately EU stance of allowing migrants to get to Calais and do little to stop them crossing as made uk anti migration of anyone as we've seen with Brexit.... did you know I wanted to move to Cardiff 7yr waiting list but if was Romanian or other migrant 6 months in hotel then get housed because cheaper to do that than keep in hotel that was from official I had interview with.. .. and that tends to be common knowledge with locals everywhere..

Funny thing is that migrants get put on a database if they get refused entry which all EU members have access to. I assume we won't have access to that anymore so a fair few migrants will see the UK as a second shot. We'll also lose access to databases that the police uses millions of times a year to find criminals (don't worry though because the original post says this is a UK win)

without reading too much into your reasons and comments - Please can you explain how you think that losing freedom of movement is a win for the UK?

Well it doesn't stop people from moving in between EU countries just bit more difficult ? but why we win is we have the right to stop migrants and others from coming to uk after moving through EU countries to come to uk to pick up our generous benefits and housing... overall leaving will mean more difficulties doing trade ect but we are not dictated to what we do and how we do it...

Thanks for taking the time to respond Allan - we have always had control of our borders and who does or does not enter. It is a common misconception that we have been obliged by the EU to take in those we do not wish too; this of course is all part of the Vote Leave propaganda. Have you ever tried to enter here without showing a passport which now for the most part has biometrics and eye screening, meaning that you can't pretend to be someone you are not... I am at a loss as to why people can't grasp this. And I personally have never met a single EU migrant [and I know plenty as I have a Polish partner] who came here for the benefits as they can' get them for sometime after arrival anyway. And do we win when all the nurses, service industry workers etc. have gone home because they don't wish to be targeted by some very vocal elements of society as not British? This is as we are all aware is already happening. So, to sum up, we can stop anyone we like from entering and always have been able to, we are going to lose thousands of key workers, and there are restrictions on our movements that weren't there before. I would love to know how that can be classified as a win? Its like saying we lost 3-2 but our goals were better than the oppositions, so we won really.

See your point but how or why are authorities in EU helping refugees/migrants travel through EU to come to uk when clearly the law or rule is place they 1st landed is place they apply for asylum ? You cannot say that's not case because we all know it's been happening... genuine refugees have always been allowed but unfortunately EU stance of allowing migrants to get to Calais and do little to stop them crossing as made uk anti migration of anyone as we've seen with Brexit.... did you know I wanted to move to Cardiff 7yr waiting list but if was Romanian or other migrant 6 months in hotel then get housed because cheaper to do that than keep in hotel that was from official I had interview with.. .. and that tends to be common knowledge with locals everywhere..

There is no rule or law stating that refugees or asylum seekers need to remain in the first country they land in.
“Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.”

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees

without reading too much into your reasons and comments - Please can you explain how you think that losing freedom of movement is a win for the UK?

Well it doesn't stop people from moving in between EU countries just bit more difficult ? but why we win is we have the right to stop migrants and others from coming to uk after moving through EU countries to come to uk to pick up our generous benefits and housing... overall leaving will mean more difficulties doing trade ect but we are not dictated to what we do and how we do it...

Thanks for taking the time to respond Allan - we have always had control of our borders and who does or does not enter. It is a common misconception that we have been obliged by the EU to take in those we do not wish too; this of course is all part of the Vote Leave propaganda. Have you ever tried to enter here without showing a passport which now for the most part has biometrics and eye screening, meaning that you can't pretend to be someone you are not... I am at a loss as to why people can't grasp this. And I personally have never met a single EU migrant [and I know plenty as I have a Polish partner] who came here for the benefits as they can' get them for sometime after arrival anyway. And do we win when all the nurses, service industry workers etc. have gone home because they don't wish to be targeted by some very vocal elements of society as not British? This is as we are all aware is already happening. So, to sum up, we can stop anyone we like from entering and always have been able to, we are going to lose thousands of key workers, and there are restrictions on our movements that weren't there before. I would love to know how that can be classified as a win? Its like saying we lost 3-2 but our goals were better than the oppositions, so we won really.

See your point but how or why are authorities in EU helping refugees/migrants travel through EU to come to uk when clearly the law or rule is place they 1st landed is place they apply for asylum ? You cannot say that's not case because we all know it's been happening... genuine refugees have always been allowed but unfortunately EU stance of allowing migrants to get to Calais and do little to stop them crossing as made uk anti migration of anyone as we've seen with Brexit.... did you know I wanted to move to Cardiff 7yr waiting list but if was Romanian or other migrant 6 months in hotel then get housed because cheaper to do that than keep in hotel that was from official I had interview with.. .. and that tends to be common knowledge with locals everywhere..

There is no rule or law stating that refugees or asylum seekers need to remain in the first country they land in.
“Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.”

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees

Tgats good just wondered why its constantly highlighted on the news? Sounds like a lot of reporters and the like got it wrong but nothing new there but there again if havent got the nessasary documents how do migrants travel from italy Greece ect to Calais? We couldn't travel from uk without nessasary documents so how do they do but?

Refugees can be returned to the point of entry under the Dublin ruling..

"did you know I wanted to move to Cardiff 7yr waiting list but if was Romanian or other migrant 6 months in hotel then get housed because cheaper to do that than keep in hotel that was from official I had interview with.. .. and that tends to be common knowledge with locals everywhere"

That is an economic decision by the council and not a legal obligation, so not the fault of the migrants involved. I understand that this is bound to cause frustration - I too have been turned down for council housing in the past... We really have thrown away the best deal we could have had and now that lying b*stard Johnson has shat on future generations too after promising we would not leave Erasmus scheme. Apparently its down to cost, but they think nothing of lining their mates pockets with dodgy PPE deals and the like. The true cost of Brexit will become obvious before too long and only then may many see that they were conned. We have won some minor concessions, but to claim that this is a good deal for the UK is detached from reality.

Anyway, lets hope we get three points today - that is something we can all agree on

To be fair to Boris Johnson, and I haven't read the full text yet, it looks on initial thoughts like it's a lot better than I thought it would be.

Ned, that’s exactly how I see it and you know I don’t like Boris anymore.

Certainly 'better' than the Theresa 'Giveaway' May deal (and even Labour concede that)

Some of them are a bit dubious e.g. This was a UK 'win' : "Britain will no longer have real-time access to DNA, fingerprint and airline passenger information, but will receive them quickly

Britain loses membership of Europol and Eurojust".

I think that it's looking at it from a no deal perspective. Looking at it from the perspective of our current deal and is it really better?

There is no wsy that losing real time access to these databases is a UK win, however quickly we receive the information. To receive the information you have to ask for it. To ask for it you need to know what to ask for. It all takes time.

To be fair to Boris Johnson, and I haven't read the full text yet, it looks on initial thoughts like it's a lot better than I thought it would be.

Seems ok ,the hardest brexit with no tarifs as a brexiteer im happy

Its fair in that - if we can control who comes into the UK - the EU can do the same to us.
If they agree to no state aid and we want to trade tariff free - then we do the same.

Each party must have the right to walk away / impose tariffs if the other side breaches the agreement - fair enough.

As for services etc - finance companies will setup country offices and trade through these - no different to what starbucks does t, this is how they avoid paying any tax.

MP's want to chat about it , even Drippy Drakeford is calling back AM's in order to discuss it - WTF for - there is nothing they can do re any of it - it's a UK wide deal. There is nothing winging windbag MPs can do about it really. In cant be modified or amended now - that wont stop them trying. There only option is approve it or reject it - and we go to No Deal.

I think now maybe the time to let Scotland go if they want to. They can go cap in hand to Brussels instead, they can adopt the Euro , should they be allowed to join the EU that is. They can hand over the fish and oil in their waters to the EU at the same time. They can also take their share of the covid debt with them.

How does that work it is the uk waters not the scottish waters, and how would the border between Scotland and England be policed. The EU would not allow Scotland in!


I wish the SNP nothing but good luck ....

They cannot be a full member as not enough money in their country unless EU change membership rules? Best thing boris could do is tell sturgeon yes you can have independence but you will then be cut off financially from Westminster....... that will excersise the minds of scots people..

And that has always been my point on so-called 'devolution' for Wales...

Scotland cannay go it alone; and Wales are miles behind even them in those stakes

Class myself as Welsh British and believe the UK is better/stronger together and out of the EU (as per my vote)

Shame on Cardiff West MP Brennan if press rumours are correct he’ll vote against the Brexit deal.

Surely he must cast aside his opposition to the government on issues of policy which would be expected in a routine parliamentary debate but not when the issue is one in the national interest.

Fortunately it appears the deal will easily pass but my opinion of my local MP will again drop another notch if his name appears on the Nay list.

if the usa strikes a free deal with the uk. does that mean they have free access to the Eu via uk?

Don't forget these databases it works both ways ,they also want stuff off us as well ,the UK had got some of the best intelligence in the world don't forget,I can't see it being a problem

Shame on Cardiff West MP Brennan if press rumours are correct he’ll vote against the Brexit deal.

Surely he must cast aside his opposition to the government on issues of policy which would be expected in a routine parliamentary debate but not when the issue is one in the national interest.

Fortunately it appears the deal will easily pass but my opinion of my local MP will again drop another notch if his name appears on the Nay list.

Is this the same Kevin Brennan that was very creative in where his tax allowable expensive white goods were delivered ? , delivered to his home address in Cardiff rather than his paid for home in London.

I remember Kevin Brennan and his Brother when they used to drink / get p1ssed in the Cameo - they were rather 'lively' and exciteable. Champagne socialists in every sense of the word, arrogant t0ssers is also another word

Busy week coming up for the MP's