Kill or cure? | Pfizer stocks lose 2% after trial-death news

I'm not passing judgement on this but am surprised that this has not been reported in the UK as far as I know. Why?

Link below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY55rby0_5o

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

It has been reported, he just confirms nothing has happened that is out of the ordinary for the population.

It's almost as if he's expecting the vaccine to stop people getting Bells palsy and stop people dying of other causes?

People with strong allergic reactions can die from eating a peanut, I would expect them to potentially get a reaction from any medication.

Someone negative trying to make a story that's not there. (that plonker on youtube, not you )

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

Not just thalidomide either,60 people have won £60m payout after suffering irreversible brain damage,due to the vaccine for mad cow disease.
I wasn't up for taking it,but now know 100% for sure.I cant take the risk(have certain food allergies).people really need to weigh it up for themselves of course,but the news coming out now,all but tells me not to have it,in fact its being advised!!
My grievance is,that this should have been detected at the trial stage(not enough time??)not when being given out willy nilly,under the banner"one size fits all"
Now im fully aware i take a risk eating out,but if I declare an allergy to a restaurant, then I fully expect them to eradicate the risks,and if something happened to me,like anaphylactic shock and god forbid sudden death even,my wife would be able to take action against owners,whereas if I had this vaccine,and the worst happened,no possibility of that course of action against pfizer??

It has been reported, he just confirms nothing has happened that is out of the ordinary for the population.

It's almost as if he's expecting the vaccine to stop people getting Bells palsy and stop people dying of other causes?

People with strong allergic reactions can die from eating a peanut, I would expect them to potentially get a reaction from any medication.

Someone negative trying to make a story that's not there. (that plonker on youtube, not you )

I know your stance on the vaccine, and as I understand it you think it's a giant leap for mankind. That's your decision and I have no qualms with your freedom to decide what you wish.

My post was intended to show others that the whole truth is not being reported in the MSM. I come back to the same question, why not?

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

Not just thalidomide either,60 people have won £60m payout after suffering irreversible brain damage,due to the vaccine for mad cow disease.
I wasn't up for taking it,but now know 100% for sure.I cant take the risk(have certain food allergies).people really need to weigh it up for themselves of course,but the news coming out now,all but tells me not to have it,in fact its being advised!!
My grievance is,that this should have been detected at the trial stage(not enough time??)not when being given out willy nilly,under the banner"one size fits all"
Now im fully aware i take a risk eating out,but if I declare an allergy to a restaurant, then I fully expect them to eradicate the risks,and if something happened to me,like anaphylactic shock and god forbid sudden death even,my wife would be able to take action against owners,whereas if I had this vaccine,and the worst happened,no possibility of that course of action against pfizer??

Just a thought, surely to not be able to sue pfizter you would have to sign a disclaimer form, otherwise you could say I never knew about it!

Very misleading & dangerous headline, nobody died.

Russian TV , you actually believe what there saying.

Very misleading & dangerous headline, nobody died.

If you actually looked at the report I'll think you'll find that 6 people died. The report aslo stated that the deaths were in the realms of probability. Did you actually look at the report?

Pfzer didn't annonce it but the FDA did. The FDA actually announced that there were 6 deaths.

Getting a little fed up of this debate.
If you are anxious of taking the vaccine after listening to people such as this guy on the video and all the other scare-mongers out there; then don't take it! Just remember the coronavirus risk will remain out there for a long time yet if not continuously.
Personally, I'd prefer to take the vaccine and be 95% covered against catching the virus and get on with normal life. We can soon remove constant restrictions with just an extremely small chance of a negative effect from the vaccine. Obviously age may come into your decision, but I'd be amazed if anyone over 50 refuses it without serious thought.

Russian TV , you actually believe what there saying.

so who exactly can you believe...
do you believe our media / government... ?

Russian TV , you actually believe what there saying.

Do you believe what the FDA are saying???.....they are the ones who announced it. RT just reported it, why didn't the BBC?

if I had this vaccine,and the worst happened,no possibility of that course of action against pfizer??

Your correct in that Pfizer has immunity from being sued if anything went wrong and there were multiple claims for compensation.

However, the alternative option is to sue the Government for giving them that immunity and the Government could be liable for damages.

There again it would be best for all concerned if the vaccine simply did it's job without any problems

if I had this vaccine,and the worst happened,no possibility of that course of action against pfizer??

Your correct in that Pfizer has immunity from being sued if anything went wrong and there were multiple claims for compensation.

However, the alternative option is to sue the Government for giving them that immunity and the Government could be liable for damages.

There again it would be best for all concerned if the vaccine simply did it's job without any problems

i think the government will give a standard one off 120k...

Getting a little fed up of this debate.
If you are anxious of taking the vaccine after listening to people such as this guy on the video and all the other scare-mongers out there; then don't take it! Just remember the coronavirus risk will remain out there for a long time yet if not continuously.
Personally, I'd prefer to take the vaccine and be 95% covered against catching the virus and get on with normal life. We can soon remove constant restrictions with just an extremely small chance of a negative effect from the vaccine. Obviously age may come into your decision, but I'd be amazed if anyone over 50 refuses it without serious thought.

You've raised 2 points, one about the vaccine and the other about the Covid-19 risk.

On the first point, I totally respect your right to decide what is injected into your body, but equally I assume you respect the rights of others who decide this may not be their freewill choice. Another debate may loom if freedoms are then restricted because of said choice. I am over 50 and my choice is to not take a vaccine that has been rushed through with no idea of possible long term consequences.

Which moves me on to the 2nd point about Covid. Personally I do not understand the fear, secondly I do not believe the "official figures" and thirdly I would prefer my chances against a nasty virus than a rushed man made cure.

Very misleading & dangerous headline, nobody died.

If you actually looked at the report I'll think you'll find that 6 people died. The report aslo stated that the deaths were in the realms of probability. Did you actually look at the report?

Pfzer didn't annonce it but the FDA did. The FDA actually announced that there were 6 deaths.

My understanding (and I may well be wrong) was the age group which was given the vaccine it would be expected that 6 people would die naturally before the end of the trail. The reason why they died hasn't be explained but I assume it could be due to a multiple of reasons (heart attacks, Strokes under a bus etc.) and not simply due to the vaccine.

Mind you if anyone was to interpret that as a 'dog ate my homework' excuse then you couldn't really blame them.

if I had this vaccine,and the worst happened,no possibility of that course of action against pfizer??

Your correct in that Pfizer has immunity from being sued if anything went wrong and there were multiple claims for compensation.

However, the alternative option is to sue the Government for giving them that immunity and the Government could be liable for damages.

There again it would be best for all concerned if the vaccine simply did it's job without any problems

Why would you sue anyone for you taking a vaccine voluntarily? You do so at your own risk not anyone else's haven't got s gun held to your head!

This vaccine is developed in a very different way and the dangers are much lower. You aren't injected with a small dose of the virus, just a small part of the cell so it's much safer and less open to adverse reactions.

The deaths are well within normal tolerance for the population profile.

The two allergic reactions were of the type that are even covered in the notes to aspirin which saves millions of lives a year. They were back in work the next day !!

On those choosing not to have the vaccine, that's absolutely fine your choice. But in my mind there should be consequences, e.g. less freedom.

This isn't about the effect on the person who decides not have the vaccine it's around the fact that unless we kill off the disease in one big hit it will continue to circulate through society for years picking off people who haven't had the vaccine, have weakened immunity (we don't know how long the vaccine protects us for yet) or are simply part of the small percentage that the vaccine doesn't work on.

People above have said that as they are younger they have less fears about contracting it but it's just that sort of attitude that means that we are nowhere near being able to eliminate it because even though you might get away with it, the person next to you might not.

One final point, I haven't seen the numbers but I know from very painful, personal experience just because you are generally healthy and not in the riskier age groups doesn't stop you from dying from this horrible disease. Believe me, losing someone within a couple of weeks of becoming ill and then not being able to even say goodbye to them properly is a pain that nobody should choose to go through.

Stop reading the fake news and start listening to the scientists who have spent their lives working on this type of thing. If Joe Bloggs on Twitter tells me it's dangerous and the Chief Medical Scientist of the UK tells me I'm better off taking it I know who I'm going to believe

Actually, I've changed my mind. Nobody should take it if they don't want it, they'll be less of a queue for me and my family

It has been reported, he just confirms nothing has happened that is out of the ordinary for the population.

It's almost as if he's expecting the vaccine to stop people getting Bells palsy and stop people dying of other causes?

People with strong allergic reactions can die from eating a peanut, I would expect them to potentially get a reaction from any medication.

Someone negative trying to make a story that's not there. (that plonker on youtube, not you )

I know your stance on the vaccine, and as I understand it you think it's a giant leap for mankind. That's your decision and I have no qualms with your freedom to decide what you wish.

My post was intended to show others that the whole truth is not being reported in the MSM. I come back to the same question, why not?

Because it was irrelevant, they died of natural causes, what if they all ate a McDonalds before they died, would McDonald's have to disclose to diners that 6 people died of natural causes after eating a big mac, and three people had bells palsy and had previously eaten a McChicken sandwich?

I knew this would start, I've said it in previous posts, many people who catch a cold and worse will blame it on the covid 19 virus.

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

Not just thalidomide either,60 people have won £60m payout after suffering irreversible brain damage,due to the vaccine for mad cow disease.
I wasn't up for taking it,but now know 100% for sure.I cant take the risk(have certain food allergies).people really need to weigh it up for themselves of course,but the news coming out now,all but tells me not to have it,in fact its being advised!!
My grievance is,that this should have been detected at the trial stage(not enough time??)not when being given out willy nilly,under the banner"one size fits all"
Now im fully aware i take a risk eating out,but if I declare an allergy to a restaurant, then I fully expect them to eradicate the risks,and if something happened to me,like anaphylactic shock and god forbid sudden death even,my wife would be able to take action against owners,whereas if I had this vaccine,and the worst happened,no possibility of that course of action against pfizer??

I know you're reluctant, but so far it's the Pfizer vaccine that people with a serious allergic reaction need to be careful of, the Astra Zeneca and Moderna may well be ok?

It's going to take a while for most of us to receive the vaccine, we will all have a much better idea by mid-January

It has been reported, he just confirms nothing has happened that is out of the ordinary for the population.

It's almost as if he's expecting the vaccine to stop people getting Bells palsy and stop people dying of other causes?

People with strong allergic reactions can die from eating a peanut, I would expect them to potentially get a reaction from any medication.

Someone negative trying to make a story that's not there. (that plonker on youtube, not you )

I know your stance on the vaccine, and as I understand it you think it's a giant leap for mankind. That's your decision and I have no qualms with your freedom to decide what you wish.

My post was intended to show others that the whole truth is not being reported in the MSM. I come back to the same question, why not?

Because it was irrelevant, they died of natural causes, what if they all ate a McDonalds before they died, would McDonald's have to disclose to diners that 6 people died of natural causes after eating a big mac, and three people had bells palsy and had previously eaten a McChicken sandwich?

I knew this would start, I've said it in previous posts, many people who catch a cold and worse will blame it on the covid 19 virus.

So the media decided it was irrelevant, is that what you are suggesting? For questioning people like myself it is in no way irrelevant. Are you also saying that death certificates with "Died with Covid" should also be irrelevant to the number count.

Can you not see the dichotomy here?

I respect anyone who doesn't want to take the vaccine ,but come on just think about weather what info your posting or passing on is scaremongering by the people who put it out there .

It has been reported, he just confirms nothing has happened that is out of the ordinary for the population.

It's almost as if he's expecting the vaccine to stop people getting Bells palsy and stop people dying of other causes?

People with strong allergic reactions can die from eating a peanut, I would expect them to potentially get a reaction from any medication.

Someone negative trying to make a story that's not there. (that plonker on youtube, not you )

I know your stance on the vaccine, and as I understand it you think it's a giant leap for mankind. That's your decision and I have no qualms with your freedom to decide what you wish.

My post was intended to show others that the whole truth is not being reported in the MSM. I come back to the same question, why not?

Because it was irrelevant, they died of natural causes, what if they all ate a McDonalds before they died, would McDonald's have to disclose to diners that 6 people died of natural causes after eating a big mac, and three people had bells palsy and had previously eaten a McChicken sandwich?

I knew this would start, I've said it in previous posts, many people who catch a cold and worse will blame it on the covid 19 virus.

So the media decided it was irrelevant, is that what you are suggesting? For questioning people like myself it is in no way irrelevant. Are you also saying that death certificates with "Died with Covid" should also be irrelevant to the number count.

Can you not see the dichotomy here?

Not really, pharmaceutical companies only need to provide relevant information on as warnings, such as some people had a pain in the arm, and now people who have serious allergies should seek medical advice.

It would be daft to say, you could still die, this does not protect you from getting run over or catching a cold.

They tell us of people who have died from covid-19 so we can monitor how many people it's killing, they should, of course, exclude non-related deaths such as car crash and cancer, but it's probably difficult to do?

I respect anyone who doesn't want to take the vaccine ,but come on just think about weather what info your posting or passing on is scaremongering by the people who put it out there .

scaremongering has gone on for 10 months mate...you only have to read this thread to figure some peoples fear of the virus are amplified hundreds of times to what it should be..

This vaccine is developed in a very different way and the dangers are much lower. You aren't injected with a small dose of the virus, just a small part of the cell so it's much safer and less open to adverse reactions.

The deaths are well within normal tolerance for the population profile.

The two allergic reactions were of the type that are even covered in the notes to aspirin which saves millions of lives a year. They were back in work the next day !!

On those choosing not to have the vaccine, that's absolutely fine your choice. But in my mind there should be consequences, e.g. less freedom.

This isn't about the effect on the person who decides not have the vaccine it's around the fact that unless we kill off the disease in one big hit it will continue to circulate through society for years picking off people who haven't had the vaccine, have weakened immunity (we don't know how long the vaccine protects us for yet) or are simply part of the small percentage that the vaccine doesn't work on.

People above have said that as they are younger they have less fears about contracting it but it's just that sort of attitude that means that we are nowhere near being able to eliminate it because even though you might get away with it, the person next to you might not.

One final point, I haven't seen the numbers but I know from very painful, personal experience just because you are generally healthy and not in the riskier age groups doesn't stop you from dying from this horrible disease. Believe me, losing someone within a couple of weeks of becoming ill and then not being able to even say goodbye to them properly is a pain that nobody should choose to go through.

Stop reading the fake news and start listening to the scientists who have spent their lives working on this type of thing. If Joe Bloggs on Twitter tells me it's dangerous and the Chief Medical Scientist of the UK tells me I'm better off taking it I know who I'm going to believe

Actually, I've changed my mind. Nobody should take it if they don't want it, they'll be less of a queue for me and my family

As a 100% pro-vaxer (and please don't try and convert me - I've been there and bought the T-shirt on this forum and others), I honestly can't understand why any of my fellow pro vaxers would wish to make vaccination compulsory or want to introduce any sort of restriction on the freedom of movement of someone who doesn't want to take the vaccine. My rationale is simple. The vaccine is not 100% effective - in fact 8 people of the 21,500 vaccinated in the trials caught the virus. Fortunately, none of the vaccinated but infected 8 developed severe covid, none were hospitalised and none died, (because of the assistance of the vaccine).Therefore, as soon as I am vaccinated fully; it would be the non vaccinated in danger of serious illness/death from catching covid from me should I become infected rather than the other way around!!

This vaccine is developed in a very different way and the dangers are much lower. You aren't injected with a small dose of the virus, just a small part of the cell so it's much safer and less open to adverse reactions.

The deaths are well within normal tolerance for the population profile.

The two allergic reactions were of the type that are even covered in the notes to aspirin which saves millions of lives a year. They were back in work the next day !!

On those choosing not to have the vaccine, that's absolutely fine your choice. But in my mind there should be consequences, e.g. less freedom.

This isn't about the effect on the person who decides not have the vaccine it's around the fact that unless we kill off the disease in one big hit it will continue to circulate through society for years picking off people who haven't had the vaccine, have weakened immunity (we don't know how long the vaccine protects us for yet) or are simply part of the small percentage that the vaccine doesn't work on.

People above have said that as they are younger they have less fears about contracting it but it's just that sort of attitude that means that we are nowhere near being able to eliminate it because even though you might get away with it, the person next to you might not.

One final point, I haven't seen the numbers but I know from very painful, personal experience just because you are generally healthy and not in the riskier age groups doesn't stop you from dying from this horrible disease. Believe me, losing someone within a couple of weeks of becoming ill and then not being able to even say goodbye to them properly is a pain that nobody should choose to go through.

Stop reading the fake news and start listening to the scientists who have spent their lives working on this type of thing. If Joe Bloggs on Twitter tells me it's dangerous and the Chief Medical Scientist of the UK tells me I'm better off taking it I know who I'm going to believe

Actually, I've changed my mind. Nobody should take it if they don't want it, they'll be less of a queue for me and my family

As a 100% pro-vaxer (and please don't try and convert me - I've been there and bought the T-shirt on this forum and others), I honestly can't understand why any of my fellow pro vaxers would wish to make vaccination compulsory or want to introduce any sort of restriction on the freedom of movement of someone who doesn't want to take the vaccine. My rationale is simple. The vaccine is not 100% effective - in fact 8 people of the 21,500 vaccinated in the trials caught the virus. Fortunately, none of the vaccinated but infected 8 developed severe covid, none were hospitalised and none died, (because of the assistance of the vaccine).Therefore, as soon as I am vaccinated fully; it would be the non vaccinated in danger of serious illness/death from catching covid from me should I become infected rather than the other way around!!

I totally agree with you blemmy......I have no problem with anyone who deems that the vaccine is safe and consequently takes injections in the arm. That is their right and free choice.

Equally I also agree that any person, for whatever reason, should not be forced to take this miracle vaccine and should also not be punished in any shape or form for not doing so.

if I had this vaccine,and the worst happened,no possibility of that course of action against pfizer??

Your correct in that Pfizer has immunity from being sued if anything went wrong and there were multiple claims for compensation.

However, the alternative option is to sue the Government for giving them that immunity and the Government could be liable for damages.

There again it would be best for all concerned if the vaccine simply did it's job without any problems

Why would you sue anyone for you taking a vaccine voluntarily? You do so at your own risk not anyone else's haven't got s gun held to your head!

Why?? In case of long term disabilities,thats why,so by your reckoning those 60 people who have been left permanently disabled from the vaccine for mad cow disease,deserve to suffer financially,as they took it voluntarily,and their families should all chip in for the around the clock care they need? Wow!! What a daft statement to make allan.

Getting a little fed up of this debate.
If you are anxious of taking the vaccine after listening to people such as this guy on the video and all the other scare-mongers out there; then don't take it! Just remember the coronavirus risk will remain out there for a long time yet if not continuously.
Personally, I'd prefer to take the vaccine and be 95% covered against catching the virus and get on with normal life. We can soon remove constant restrictions with just an extremely small chance of a negative effect from the vaccine. Obviously age may come into your decision, but I'd be amazed if anyone over 50 refuses it without serious thought.

You've raised 2 points, one about the vaccine and the other about the Covid-19 risk.

On the first point, I totally respect your right to decide what is injected into your body, but equally I assume you respect the rights of others who decide this may not be their freewill choice. Another debate may loom if freedoms are then restricted because of said choice. I am over 50 and my choice is to not take a vaccine that has been rushed through with no idea of possible long term consequences.

Which moves me on to the 2nd point about Covid. Personally I do not understand the fear, secondly I do not believe the "official figures" and thirdly I would prefer my chances against a nasty virus than a rushed man made cure.

I certainly do respect anyone's choice to either take or not to take the vaccine.
However, on your second points, I do understand the fear about the virus when so many have become seriously ill and many others have died as a result of it. I have no reason to dis-believe the 'official figures' but like you, I have no proof and finally, I believe more people will die of the virus than will die of the vaccine.
One thing for certain is that the old normal life without any restrictions will not return until we rid the virus threat.

The allergic reaction story was on the news yesterday - came up as headline alert from Sky News and the BBC. It was then being reported on this morning.

If you look at any medicine, they are state mild to severe and common to uncommon side effects - some that can be really severe. I get significant allergic reactions to Ibuprofen and some hay fever tablets (the irony) - and those reactions are detailed fully in the paperwork.

You’re fully within your rights to have a concern and make your own choices, but it’s not right to say it’s not been reported or that this is someone different to any other medicine.

The allergic reaction story was on the news yesterday - came up as headline alert from Sky News and the BBC. It was then being reported on this morning.

If you look at any medicine, they are state mild to severe and common to uncommon side effects - some that can be really severe. I get significant allergic reactions to Ibuprofen and some hay fever tablets (the irony) - and those reactions are detailed fully in the paperwork.

You’re fully within your rights to have a concern and make your own choices, but it’s not right to say it’s not been reported or that this is someone different to any other medicine.

Spot on