Breaking NO Fans returning to Cardiff, Swansea, Newport

Breaking NO Fans returning to Cardiff, Swansea, Newport etc this year.

Despite English clubs being allowed in England to have fans to return.


BBC WALES

Monday 30th November 2020

"No fans will be returning to football stadiums this year and for sometime in the future."

Cardiff City, Swansea City,Newport County and Wrexham held talks today with first Welsh Minister Drakeford and despite all the hard work thats been put in place and expense, they were all told its a NO for now and the near future.

Not good news at all -

Not good news at all -

Gutted for you all Mallo

I would of flown back as well .

Dripford is turning into a nob end no fans but ok in england no alcohol in wales ok in england we will all be forced into chapel on sundays soon

Blame the people who vote these idiots into power.

This raises a question of sporting integrity - maybe less so for us and Swansea as we play in a league where crowds are generally over 15k.

However for Newport and Wrexham, where normal crowds might be closer to 5k or under they will be faced with playing at grounds where teams could have 4K or 2k fans, whilst they have none. They would be better trying to jump across the border and ground share for a period of time if at all possible.

Biggest tosser in Wales!

My 8 year old son is absolutely gutted

This raises a question of sporting integrity - maybe less so for us and Swansea as we play in a league where crowds are generally over 15k.

However for Newport and Wrexham, where normal crowds might be closer to 5k or under they will be faced with playing at grounds where teams could have 4K or 2k fans, whilst they have none. They would be better trying to jump across the border and ground share for a period of time if at all possible.

2000 or 4000 fans in the Emirates or Anfield etc is fine but I can’t see teams with League 2 sized stadiums getting those allocations. 4000 fans is close to a sellout in some of those grounds, some also only have a handful of turnstiles compared to the PL stadiums. I imagine those teams will allow fans in on a percentage of capacity basis, 20% was the number being talked about previously.

This raises a question of sporting integrity - maybe less so for us and Swansea as we play in a league where crowds are generally over 15k.

However for Newport and Wrexham, where normal crowds might be closer to 5k or under they will be faced with playing at grounds where teams could have 4K or 2k fans, whilst they have none. They would be better trying to jump across the border and ground share for a period of time if at all possible.

2000 or 4000 fans in the Emirates or Anfield etc is fine but I can’t see teams with League 2 sized stadiums getting those allocations. 4000 fans is close to a sellout in some of those grounds, some also only have a handful of turnstiles compared to the PL stadiums. I imagine those teams will allow fans in on a percentage of capacity basis, 20% was the number being talked about previously.

Yes figures quoted are maximum! obviously it's up to local safety and councils to set safe levels within covid guidelines

I’d like to go back, but let’s do our best to get COVID dealt with first.

And don’t forget that most parts of England are in tier 3 and won’t have crowds either

Multiple families allowed to visit over xmas, tens of thousands of people visiting our shopping centres.
Yet 2000 fans spaced out in a 30k stadium not allowed.
Just remember where to place your vote at the next elections for the assembly.

Multiple families allowed to visit over xmas, tens of thousands of people visiting our shopping centres.
Yet 2000 fans spaced out in a 30k stadium not allowed.
Just remember where to place your vote at the next elections for the assembly.

Where's that then? Next to the labour candidate or next to the tory candidate who's English equivalent has put half the country in tier 3 and so wont have fans either.

Correspondence.Mark.Drakeford@gov.wales

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This raises a question of sporting integrity - maybe less so for us and Swansea as we play in a league where crowds are generally over 15k.

However for Newport and Wrexham, where normal crowds might be closer to 5k or under they will be faced with playing at grounds where teams could have 4K or 2k fans, whilst they have none. They would be better trying to jump across the border and ground share for a period of time if at all possible.

2000 or 4000 fans in the Emirates or Anfield etc is fine but I can’t see teams with League 2 sized stadiums getting those allocations. 4000 fans is close to a sellout in some of those grounds, some also only have a handful of turnstiles compared to the PL stadiums. I imagine those teams will allow fans in on a percentage of capacity basis, 20% was the number being talked about previously.

There is a big difference between capacity and normal average crowds though. When we were in the 4th division we might have averaged 4K...but our capacity was maybe 18k.

Some grounds will of course be small, but teams will have bigger capacity and fall within the rules and so the lower of 4K/50% is likely to be void.

Even if it doesn’t have a direct sporting impact, some teams will be able to make an income whilst others won’t...again more direct impact in the lower leagues but the football bodies need to find a way to balance this out across the different tiers. It could be the difference between 1 team going into admin (-12 points) and another one not.

Don't agree with not allowing 2000 fans in the CCS but the Huddersfield game would come to early going by Englands rules there's only 3 home games left this calendar Yr.

Will it change in the new year I think there's a chance. I believe politicians are so concerned worried about another surge in case before Christmas and the introduction of tougher restrictions etc they won't risk anything till Christmas is over.

Blame the people who don’t adhere to the rules. It stops the rest of us coming out of this pandemic.

If they catch it they’d expect treatment straight away. About time they were denied it and told to isolate at home with their mates.

Don't agree with not allowing 2000 fans in the CCS but the Huddersfield game would come to early going by Englands rules there's only 3 home games left this calendar Yr.

Will it change in the new year I think there's a chance. I believe politicians are so concerned worried about another surge in case before Christmas and the introduction of tougher restrictions etc they won't risk anything till Christmas is over.

Its not politicians its drakeford and cannot call him a politician! England got fans so why not Wales.? If you think it will change your in cloud cookoo land why would it change if anything it will be worse according to drakeford....

Multiple families allowed to visit over xmas, tens of thousands of people visiting our shopping centres.
Yet 2000 fans spaced out in a 30k stadium not allowed.
Just remember where to place your vote at the next elections for the assembly.

Where's that then? Next to the labour candidate or next to the tory candidate who's English equivalent has put half the country in tier 3 and so wont have fans either.

Youve missed point what is the more likely to spread covid 2k in 35k stadium sitting outside with controls in place or thousands of people inside shops with only control in how many go in but no control over keeping people 6ft apart ?

FRED KEENOR

Assembly is not the problem its the labour party in control.

Blame the people who don’t adhere to the rules. It stops the rest of us coming out of this pandemic.

If they catch it they’d expect treatment straight away. About time they were denied it and told to isolate at home with their mates.

Spot on. "Rules" only evolving because of the actions of a minority.

Multiple families allowed to visit over xmas, tens of thousands of people visiting our shopping centres.
Yet 2000 fans spaced out in a 30k stadium not allowed.
Just remember where to place your vote at the next elections for the assembly.

Where's that then? Next to the labour candidate or next to the tory candidate who's English equivalent has put half the country in tier 3 and so wont have fans either.

Youve missed point what is the more likely to spread covid 2k in 35k stadium sitting outside with controls in place or thousands of people inside shops with only control in how many go in but no control over keeping people 6ft apart ?

neither its the naughty people and tescos have cancelled the naughty list....

Multiple families allowed to visit over xmas, tens of thousands of people visiting our shopping centres.
Yet 2000 fans spaced out in a 30k stadium not allowed.
Just remember where to place your vote at the next elections for the assembly.

Where's that then? Next to the labour candidate or next to the tory candidate who's English equivalent has put half the country in tier 3 and so wont have fans either.

Youve missed point what is the more likely to spread covid 2k in 35k stadium sitting outside with controls in place or thousands of people inside shops with only control in how many go in but no control over keeping people 6ft apart ?

neither its the naughty people and tescos have cancelled the naughty list....

Ahhhhh so Tesco to blame?

Blame the people who don’t adhere to the rules. It stops the rest of us coming out of this pandemic.

If they catch it they’d expect treatment straight away. About time they were denied it and told to isolate at home with their mates.

Spot on. "Rules" only evolving because of the actions of a minority.

This is the evidence drakeford using to shut pubs and ban fans
BBC Wales has asked to see the evidence cited by Mr Drakeford. Also other organisations have asked as well this is response from WG....
A Welsh Government spokesman referred to a report from the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) in September which estimated that closing bars, pubs, cafes and restaurants would have a "moderate impact" on Covid transmission.

Mr Drakeford said scientific and medical experts had warned that by 12 January, the total number of people with Covid in hospital could rise to 2,200 "unless we respond now".
Where in the advice from sage is there evidence to say EXTRA 1200 people would end up in hospital? In other reports hes been asked to submit evidence people are still waiting wonder why?

The only reason Wales went in to a two week fire break when we did was because the labour leader captain hindsight kept going on about a two week fire break to score political points , we should he done it the same time as England ,there numbers are dropping Wales are going up ,every politician should have kept politics out of this because this is what you get.

The only reason Wales went in to a two week fire break when we did was because the labour leader captain hindsight kept going on about a two week fire break to score political points , we should he done it the same time as England ,there numbers are dropping Wales are going up ,every politician should have kept politics out of this because this is what you get.

We do appear to be doing the opposite to rest uk even more so now than we have done previously! Thought the devolved governments were going to sing from same hymn sheet about xmas ? But looks like Wales the land of song cant read hymn sheet.

Multiple families allowed to visit over xmas, tens of thousands of people visiting our shopping centres.
Yet 2000 fans spaced out in a 30k stadium not allowed.
Just remember where to place your vote at the next elections for the assembly.

This is the crazy part of it all; people will be effectively allowed to mix without checks over Chrimbo but the weak politicians are already prepping for the inevitable fall-out after the event

Some of today's talk from Terry the Turtle (Drakeford) was confusing at best and misguided at worst

Having said all that, let's not forget those who broke the rules at every opportunity to give WAG the space to enforce their Draconian rules and (I know I bang on about it) massive shame goes on the students at Cardiff University

Multiple families allowed to visit over xmas, tens of thousands of people visiting our shopping centres.
Yet 2000 fans spaced out in a 30k stadium not allowed.
Just remember where to place your vote at the next elections for the assembly.

Where's that then? Next to the labour candidate or next to the tory candidate who's English equivalent has put half the country in tier 3 and so wont have fans either.

Youve missed point what is the more likely to spread covid 2k in 35k stadium sitting outside with controls in place or thousands of people inside shops with only control in how many go in but no control over keeping people 6ft apart ?

neither its the naughty people and tescos have cancelled the naughty list....

Ahhhhh so Tesco to blame?

yes.... well as much to blame as naughty people...im watching 2 carers 3 times a day visiting an old lady 7 days a week thats 63visits a week to 1 house...obviously its not 63 different people but its different girls on each shift and when you factor in days off, illness, and hols its between a dozen and 20... then you have supermarkets... amazon drivers etc etc etc...but some people imagine a group of naughty people... that they want to punish...

The only reason Wales went in to a two week fire break when we did was because the labour leader captain hindsight kept going on about a two week fire break to score political points , we should he done it the same time as England ,there numbers are dropping Wales are going up ,every politician should have kept politics out of this because this is what you get.

We do appear to be doing the opposite to rest uk even more so now than we have done previously! Thought the devolved governments were going to sing from same hymn sheet about xmas ? But looks like Wales the land of song cant read hymn sheet.

It's the behaviour of the people of Wales, not the Government of Wales which is causing the virus to increase. Also, when Wales wanted to do the fire break the UK Government initially refused to provide the financial backing for us to do it. Then, all of a sudden the English were spooked by their dramatically rising numbers and decided to go for a full month lockdown. And guess what? They suddenly found the money to do it with. UK Government is shit. They paid ten billion pounds over the odds for PPE because they weren't prepared for a pandemic. It's their f*cking job to be prepared for a pandemic! But because we had hardly anything in stock we were held to ransom by whoever, around the world, was manufacturing the stuff and paid £12 billion instead of around £2 billion!!! Useless bunch.

The only reason Wales went in to a two week fire break when we did was because the labour leader captain hindsight kept going on about a two week fire break to score political points , we should he done it the same time as England ,there numbers are dropping Wales are going up ,every politician should have kept politics out of this because this is what you get.

We do appear to be doing the opposite to rest uk even more so now than we have done previously! Thought the devolved governments were going to sing from same hymn sheet about xmas ? But looks like Wales the land of song cant read hymn sheet.

It's the behaviour of the people of Wales, not the Government of Wales which is causing the virus to increase. Also, when Wales wanted to do the fire break the UK Government initially refused to provide the financial backing for us to do it. Then, all of a sudden the English were spooked by their dramatically rising numbers and decided to go for a full month lockdown. And guess what? They suddenly found the money to do it with. UK Government is shit. They paid ten billion pounds over the odds for PPE because they weren't prepared for a pandemic. It's their f*cking job to be prepared for a pandemic! But because we had hardly anything in stock we were held to ransom by whoever, around the world, was manufacturing the stuff and paid £12 billion instead of around £2 billion!!! Useless bunch.

Did you know WG health uses different method of counting covid from nso now why? Had lockdown 17days and as soon as it was over rates came down but drakeford then says need tighter controls before xmas why when rates had come down..... and don't you think more positive tests could just be because more people are being tested and asymptomatic people are being
picked up when before they wasnt. Due to extra testing? (80%) people are asymptomatic.....so rather than blaming it on drunken revellers why not put it down to more testing...