Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:39 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:42 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:03 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:When all this is over there will be an enquiry into how the Government managed the crisis. I hope (but very much doubt) that the parameters of the enquiry take into account the impact the lockdown had on business especially small business.
I don't know the man above but I assume like many other small business owners he was targeted with draconian closers and faced the £1000 per day fine if he didn't close which resulted in this business becoming defunct or loaded with unmanageable debt.
Business owners spent a fortune making their place of business Covid secure after the initial lockdown only to find they were forced to close again because of a lockdown by another name i.e. firebreak, tier 3.
We only have lockdowns because of a capacity issue with the NHS. Most hospitals run at nearly 90% of capacity at the best of times so when something like a flu outbreak occurs it won't take long for them to become overrun.
I hope that there will be recommendations to increase NHS capacity so when the next Covid hits we won't require lockdowns. But I'll believe that when I see or hear it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:11 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:17 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:19 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:23 am
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.
Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.
Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:24 am
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.
Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.
Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:24 am
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.
Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.
Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:39 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:55 am
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.
Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.
Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.
Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.
You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.
This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.
The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.
You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)
You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.
You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.
You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.
But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.
The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.
This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.
You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:01 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.
Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.
Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.
Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.
You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.
This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.
The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.
You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)
You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.
You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.
You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.
But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.
The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.
This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.
You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:12 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.
Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.
Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.
Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.
You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.
This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.
The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.
You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)
You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.
You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.
You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.
But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.
The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.
This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.
You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:30 pm
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.
Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.
Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:32 pm
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.
Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.
Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:36 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.
Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.
Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.
Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.
You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.
This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.
The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.
You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)
You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.
You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.
You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.
But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.
The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.
This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.
You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:55 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.
Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.
Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.
Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.
You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.
This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.
The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.
You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)
You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.
You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.
You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.
But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.
The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.
This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.
You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.
Theres no argument against anyone that argues the cost of inconvenience against the cost of a human life.Theres no winner either.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:30 pm
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:32 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:But they have built many Covid hospitals Nightingale and the millennium for one and they was never used. Most of our hospitals have been empty from March.
Where I also have grave concern at the moment is the Police. They have nothing in common with the police as I remember they are now bullying power crazy gestapo officers.
They have burst in on someone singing karaoke in their own house
Bullying business owners
Arresting a 78 year old woman who was protesting
At the protests it’s the police starting the violence 100% I have done protests in London and I’ve seen with my own eyes exactly how they start it off.
They are bullying householders they are bullying people just for living normal lives.
Our freedoms and lively hoods are being ripped from us in a global effort to take away our lives as we know it. At what point will the penny drop to most ? This virus is just an excuse.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:41 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.
Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.
Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.
Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.
You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.
This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.
The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.
You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)
You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.
You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.
You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.
But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.
The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.
This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.
You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:45 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.
In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:06 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.
In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...
Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:14 pm
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:33 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.
In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...
Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position
This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:56 pm
Bluebina wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.
In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...
Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position
[color=#400080]This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.
The government don't want people to go on holidays, where is that from David Icke?
Ps I'm not for lockdowns and have massive sympathy for small businesses and people waiting for treatments, and agree the government have made some right howlers, but that is ridiculous!
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:00 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Bluebina wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.
In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...
Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position
[color=#400080]This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.
The government don't want people to go on holidays, where is that from David Icke?
Ps I'm not for lockdowns and have massive sympathy for small businesses and people waiting for treatments, and agree the government have made some right howlers, but that is ridiculous!
Tell me that when most airlines go to the wall
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:02 pm
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:14 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Bluebina wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.
In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...
Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position
[color=#400080]This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.
The government don't want people to go on holidays, where is that from David Icke?
Ps I'm not for lockdowns and have massive sympathy for small businesses and people waiting for treatments, and agree the government have made some right howlers, but that is ridiculous!
Tell me that when most airlines go to the wall
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:30 pm
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:37 pm