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Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:39 am

This image from the lockdown demonstrations and I hope it HAUNTS those who have imposed this insanity on us.
A BROKEN man who apparently lost his business that he poured his life into due to the bonkers restrictions in tears as he is arrested for joining the peaceful protest.

A truly heartbreaking situation of a now uncaring Nation that are only concerned about one thing a deadly virus that if you contract it the advice you are given ? Stay home !!



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Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:42 am

When all this is over there will be an enquiry into how the Government managed the crisis. I hope (but very much doubt) that the parameters of the enquiry take into account the impact the lockdown had on business especially small business.

I don't know the man above but I assume like many other small business owners he was targeted with draconian closers and faced the £1000 per day fine if he didn't close which resulted in this business becoming defunct or loaded with unmanageable debt.

Business owners spent a fortune making their place of business Covid secure after the initial lockdown only to find they were forced to close again because of a lockdown by another name i.e. firebreak, tier 3.

We only have lockdowns because of a capacity issue with the NHS. Most hospitals run at nearly 90% of capacity at the best of times so when something like a flu outbreak occurs it won't take long for them to become overrun.

I hope that there will be recommendations to increase NHS capacity so when the next Covid hits we won't require lockdowns. But I'll believe that when I see or hear it.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:03 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:When all this is over there will be an enquiry into how the Government managed the crisis. I hope (but very much doubt) that the parameters of the enquiry take into account the impact the lockdown had on business especially small business.

I don't know the man above but I assume like many other small business owners he was targeted with draconian closers and faced the £1000 per day fine if he didn't close which resulted in this business becoming defunct or loaded with unmanageable debt.

Business owners spent a fortune making their place of business Covid secure after the initial lockdown only to find they were forced to close again because of a lockdown by another name i.e. firebreak, tier 3.

We only have lockdowns because of a capacity issue with the NHS. Most hospitals run at nearly 90% of capacity at the best of times so when something like a flu outbreak occurs it won't take long for them to become overrun.

I hope that there will be recommendations to increase NHS capacity so when the next Covid hits we won't require lockdowns. But I'll believe that when I see or hear it.

But they have built many Covid hospitals Nightingale and the millennium for one and they was never used. Most of our hospitals have been empty from March.
Where I also have grave concern at the moment is the Police. They have nothing in common with the police as I remember they are now bullying power crazy gestapo officers.
They have burst in on someone singing karaoke in their own house
Bullying business owners
Arresting a 78 year old woman who was protesting
At the protests it’s the police starting the violence 100% I have done protests in London and I’ve seen with my own eyes exactly how they start it off.
They are bullying householders they are bullying people just for living normal lives.
Our freedoms and lively hoods are being ripped from us in a global effort to take away our lives as we know it. At what point will the penny drop to most ? This virus is just an excuse.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:11 am

The police have become increasingly politicised. I don't necessarily agree with the ant-lockdown protesters but understand their concerns. But because anti - lockdown is seen by the media as a right wing cause- (have no idea why as to me freedom is a cause to support whatever side of the political spectrum you come from)- they come in with all guns blazing and yet when BLM protest were going on they ignored blatant breaking of the rules.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:17 am

You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.

Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.

Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:19 am

If this was happening just in our country it would be scary enough, but this is happening worldwide and that's what terrifies me. The Government have already told performers in the arts to 're-train' so do you REALLY think that sport, including football and ESPECIALLY international football, will ever be allowed to carry on as it used to? They can't kill sport off too soon - it's one of the few things left to distract the masses from what they are doing - but I doubt it will survive in it's present form.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:23 am

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.

Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.

Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas

Agreed

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:24 am

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.

Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.

Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas


Maybe give the outlook hed rather not, given what he might have left, life isnt the be all.............!

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:24 am

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.

Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.

Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas

Try telling that to my cousin who put his life savings- almost £200K - opening a restaurant in Manchester last December.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:39 am

Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.

Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.

Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.

Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.

You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.

This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.

The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.

You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)

You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.

You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.

You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.

But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.

The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.

This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.

You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:55 am

ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.

Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.

Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.

Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.

You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.

This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.

The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.

You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)

You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.

You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.

You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.

But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.

The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.

This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.

You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.

I dont agree with you entirely but well said.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:01 pm

Everything you say is so true.


ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.

Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.

Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.

Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.

You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.

This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.

The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.

You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)

You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.

You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.

You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.

But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.

The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.

This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.

You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:12 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.

Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.

Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.

Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.

You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.

This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.

The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.

You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)

You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.

You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.

You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.

But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.

The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.

This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.

You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.


:clap: :clap: :clap:

Very eloquently expressed.

Could not agree with you more.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:30 pm

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.

Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.

Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas




unfortunately the world has way too many im ok jack selfish people with this take on it...
absolutely incredible.....

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:32 pm

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:You can recover from losing money, you can recover from losing your house and even your wife.
Last time I checked you cant recover from death.

Day to day things in a sober environment like cafes / hair dressers / beauty salons should be allowed to continue. Anywhere that allows it's customers to get p!ssed off their heads etc needs to be closed.

Furlough is available I think, assets can be mothballed it is possible to pivot your business in order to tick over (not in all sectors). If it's any consolation to this guy - hopefully he'll still be around to see next christmas

Are you serious trying to be respectful here. You can’t recover from death ? No you can’t and all those dying because of covid not of it is a major problem. Those to frightened to seek help with cancer etc
Now those that have died of Covid and only of covid is very tiny in fact more people die of suicide. But this is the empathy people are getting when it comes to people losing jobs businesses which then has the knock on effects it could be losing their homes or going bankrupt or even both. But then people think that’s acceptable because they don’t want to feel bad for a few days. The way you describe this virus as deadly but the advice given if you have it is stay at home. The same as influenza. Everyone has been programmed by the media to be afraid and compliant over this and to not think logically. And if anyone does just call them a conspiracy theorist. Just add up all the bullshit advice they have given you and ask if it logical ? I have said it before and will say it again this isn’t a true pandemic and if it was the governments around the world would of killed most of us off by now if it was.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:36 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.

Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.

Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.

Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.

You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.

This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.

The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.

You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)

You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.

You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.

You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.

But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.

The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.

This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.

You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.


Theres no argument against anyone that argues the cost of inconvenience against the cost of a human life.Theres no winner either.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:55 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.

Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.

Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.

Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.

You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.

This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.

The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.

You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)

You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.

You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.

You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.

But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.

The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.

This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.

You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.


Theres no argument against anyone that argues the cost of inconvenience against the cost of a human life.Theres no winner either.




if thats all that you see , your lucky, your financially not effected and your families health is not effected.... its just a case of no hols this year.... should being lucky stop you from giving this a bit more thought about how it effects others..?
i dont believe people are kidding themselves that the thousands of avoidable deaths are not happening...or that thousands more will die..THEY KNOW ....DONT CARE .....ITS NOT THEM....its ok there is furlough.....

inconvenience my arse...ive lost 2 people i knew well over this neither of covid..... they wont see next christmas because death inconvenienced them..

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:30 pm

It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.

In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:32 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:But they have built many Covid hospitals Nightingale and the millennium for one and they was never used. Most of our hospitals have been empty from March.
Where I also have grave concern at the moment is the Police. They have nothing in common with the police as I remember they are now bullying power crazy gestapo officers.
They have burst in on someone singing karaoke in their own house
Bullying business owners
Arresting a 78 year old woman who was protesting
At the protests it’s the police starting the violence 100% I have done protests in London and I’ve seen with my own eyes exactly how they start it off.
They are bullying householders they are bullying people just for living normal lives.
Our freedoms and lively hoods are being ripped from us in a global effort to take away our lives as we know it. At what point will the penny drop to most ? This virus is just an excuse.


The Nightingale Hospitals were one of the biggest con tricks pulled by this Government. They had to be seen to do 'something' so they built these Hospitals fully knowing they would never be utilised.

The reason? Again capacity but not physical capacity (buildings with beds & equipment) but personal capacity. The NHS would need to double its Nurse and Doctor capacity to make these hospitals operational.

That said I have a lot of sympathy with your view on the Police

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:41 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:Every single one of you that has used the phrase 'Greater Good' take a long, hard look at this image.

Burn it into your memory, take the time to fully understand this is your doing. All of you.

Your fear has broken this man and many millions of others. Your blind acceptance of propaganda has destroyed them.

Your unwillingness to think critically for yourselves has robbed them of a lifetime's effort, your cowardice to go against the grain, your eagerness to meekly submit and fall in line with the herd, your deafening silence - it has all allowed our governments to steal our livelihoods, our freedoms and our dignities.

You may disagree with my position, and I will respect that, and try to politely discuss the reasoning behind those respective positions, - I've said on many times on this forum polite conversation is more productive than tribal name-calling.

This I still stand by, but the outcome of those positions have very real-world consequences, and we have to also acknowledge that.

The way our government has handled this pandemic and the way the majority have supported their actions, not only through their silence but also through the consistent ridicule of anyone that raises dissent or even questions about the pandemic, is directly to blame for the image you see, and the life that has been ruined.

You may think it is worth the sacrifice, that we need to protect ourselves from the 'end of mankind' (a claim so outrageous that I can hardly bring myself to type it and wouldn't if I hadn't read it on this very board within the last week!)

You may think that all of this was worth it so we can be protected from a virus with a 99.2% survival rate.

You may think people like this man and millions of others, including myself, who have put their life's work into building a business, something of their own, something that adds to society rather than just taking, are worth tossing aside, so we can protect everyone from this virus that has taken the lives of 0.02% of the global population, whose overwhelming majority of victims were above 83 and had other co-morbidities.

You may think that taking away everything people have worked for lifetimes to achieve, is a fair exchange for your protection from the virus. I, of course, disagree, almost anyone that has worked hard to build something of meaning would, but still, I respect your right to the opposing opinion.

But if you are going to make that sacrifice, if you are going to tear peoples lives apart to protect you from a virus that is absolutely no worse than pandemics we've faced before, you must have the honesty and integrity to admit you made the conscious choice to ruin this man and millions of others and that you did it out of fear and cowardice to protect yourselves.

The greater good is a convenient cover to hide behind, an easy way to avoid any personal responsibility but it doesn't cut it, not when you take a good close look at an image like this.

This is your greater good, and it is the direct outcome of your thoughts and your actions.

You did this to this man, each and every one of you. The very least you can do is own it.


I agree with 99% of your post. Small businesses should not carry the can for this pandemic. But the problem is no Government is going to want to have TV pictures of overrun hospitals beamed into everyone's home.

Hospitals will become quickly overrun because they work to full capacity at the best of times. In future we need a better plan to cope with exceptional demand during a pandemic. That way most of 'normal' life can continue whilst those who need medical assistance are also catered for.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:45 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.

In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...


Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position :roll:

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:06 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.

In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...


Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position :roll:

This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:14 pm

Let’s get this straight I hate Fascism and Communism equally. But they both use the same tactics to get compliance. In America you now have Socialist governors encouraging Schools to question pupils on there Thanksgiving activity’s. IE how many they had round etc etc etc then for the teachers to report these activities to the authorities.
Over here there are snitching hotlines to get you to spy on your neighbours and god knows what other underhand tactics being used. Then tell me when was the last time these measures was taken ? Nazi Germany did it. So have communist countries.
The similarities are startling and a very cause for concern. The police are now not used for proper police work as we used to know. They are now a extended arm to crazed politicians and that includes Johnson and Drakeford.
And Drakeford is a crazed Socialist with ideals that the vast majority disagree with. Please open your eyes to what is happening and no don’t throw around conspiracy theories because this is happening.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:33 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.

In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...


Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position :roll:

This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.


:laughing5: The government don't want people to go on holidays, where is that from David Icke?
Ps I'm not for lockdowns and have massive sympathy for small businesses and people waiting for treatments, and agree the government have made some right howlers, but that is ridiculous!

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:56 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.

In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...


Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position :roll:

[color=#400080]This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.


:laughing5: The government don't want people to go on holidays, where is that from David Icke?
Ps I'm not for lockdowns and have massive sympathy for small businesses and people waiting for treatments, and agree the government have made some right howlers, but that is ridiculous!

Tell me that when most airlines go to the wall

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:00 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.

In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...


Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position :roll:

[color=#400080]This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.


:laughing5: The government don't want people to go on holidays, where is that from David Icke?
Ps I'm not for lockdowns and have massive sympathy for small businesses and people waiting for treatments, and agree the government have made some right howlers, but that is ridiculous!

Tell me that when most airlines go to the wall



Some airlines may well go to the wall, but that is because there is a global pandemic and governments are trying to stop the spread not because Boris doesn't want you to go to Benidorm :laughing6:

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:02 pm

There are even more pictures of the families of more than 50,000 people in the UK alone who have died of COVID. Businesses will go bust for all sorts of reasons, very often through no fault of their own. Pick yourself up and get on with your life.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:14 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:It's frustrating to hear politicians talk as if they represent us. They don't. We're witnessing the greatest and quickest shift of wealth ever, and they're enabling it by shutting small businesses and allowing large corporations to stay open. Billionaires have become over 600 billion wealthier during this pandemic. It's insane.

In a few years all we will have left is Amazon, Tesco, Asda...


Don't start me on that one! I get livid when a politician states "The British people want" and then go on to list their parties manifesto or position :roll:

[color=#400080]This is exactly what is happening. And it’s frightening how easy they are doing it. A con job and it’s so easy to do when there are frightened people about.
But as I see it these Elitists don’t want a work to live culture they want a live to work culture. What will be left soon ? Not many small businesses and even the airlines will be a thing of the past how are they going to survive.
They don’t want you going on holiday you are required to work.


:laughing5: The government don't want people to go on holidays, where is that from David Icke?
Ps I'm not for lockdowns and have massive sympathy for small businesses and people waiting for treatments, and agree the government have made some right howlers, but that is ridiculous!

Tell me that when most airlines go to the wall


Over 200 flights leaving from Heathrow going all across the world today. Tokyo, Athens, New York, Singapore, Doha, etc.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:30 pm

Funny how some people can be so worked up about the economic impact of a lockdown but support brexit.

In just over a months time we'll be voluntarily going through something which will lower our economy and gdp by a greater amount and for hell of a lot longer. I can't imagine a similar post being made by nuclear about that.

Re: Heartbreaking !!

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:37 pm

People have been broken before for many reasons business succeed and fail all the time. That picture happens al the timewith or without COVID unfortunately it’s in the spot light to fit certain agendas.

The whole thing is a sad and sorry state.