Ten year ONS death rates

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.


But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?


In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ?

Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.

Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

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Yes noted they've changed wording to report deaths... but they still putting covid on death certificates even when died of something else but they are counted in figures... Welsh average deaths come out at 12% or 58 extra deaths over 5yr average! Plenty of room for extra deaths to be from heart conditions ect ect that's been reported recently.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

tbh mate he is making his argument based of official facts and figures.... its a real shame others do not do the same.... the conspiracy nuts are actually those that fly in the face of those facts and figures....and change their stance to suit....one minute you say flu is something that requires 2 lemsips... but now lemsips do not cut it anymore and figures would be....through the roof and your bemused how people are not grasping what you yourself dismissed a few weeks ago....

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Missing point slightly they are saying 60k+ died of covid but the figures and way they are used are misleading at best ! So now they are saying dying with covid and not of covid when announcing deaths ......yet still announce total deaths from covid just a slight contradiction in what they say.
If covid mentioned on death certificate its classed as covid death even if terminally ill with cancer ect lots more examples of this kind of manipulation of figures.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Social distancing etc etc etc and all this has lowered peoples Immune system and in fact should make it worse not better in the coming months years.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

Deaths have been reported with a positive covid test in the last 28 days for a long while. So anyone who died with flu with a positive test would be included in the figures and not in flu deaths.
What must be considered are the extra resources needed to stop people dieing with covid. That is what is influencing excess deaths. Restrictions and tiers are there to ease the stresses on the nhs to minimise excessive deaths and until the levels of hospital admissions with covid are minimised then restrictions need to stay

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

correct...dont like the facts and figures = must be a conspiracy and nukes has now placed cohorts in the office of national statistics to fiddle the numbers....
and yes..it is always the same no matter what countries stats you look at.... strangely enough the truth remains the truth..

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

correct...dont like the facts and figures = must be a conspiracy and nukes has now placed cohorts in the office of national statistics to fiddle the numbers....
and yes..it is always the same no matter what countries stats you look at.... strangely enough the truth remains the truth..

Really, just what is the point in quoting past figures this last year has never been seen before in my lifetime or yours latest figures can be read in many different ways. No its people reading the news feeds and a lot of what they are reading is fake news, then they have a bee in their bonnet and harp on about it. People should use their own common sense and experience, and make their own decisions on Covid19.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

correct...dont like the facts and figures = must be a conspiracy and nukes has now placed cohorts in the office of national statistics to fiddle the numbers....
and yes..it is always the same no matter what countries stats you look at.... strangely enough the truth remains the truth..

Really, just what is the point in quoting past figures this last year has never been seen before in my lifetime or yours latest figures can be read in many different ways. No its people reading the news feeds and a lot of what they are reading is fake news, then they have a bee in their bonnet and harp on about it. People should use their own common sense and experience, and make their own decisions on Covid19.

People cant be trusted to make their own decisions, which is why the restrictions have to be in place.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
After unprecedented measures which saw the closures of schools, pubs, sporting venues, offices, universities, restaurants, etc. And with the general public maintaining a much higher level of personal hygiene and safety than ever before the numbers have remained extremely similar to previous years. If Covid was not an issue would you not expect the monthly deaths to decrease?

But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
Masks, distancing, less socialising, improved hygiene. Masks have never been a thing in the Uk apart from this year, when you look at countries like Japan, South Korea, etc their Influenza death rates for the past several years are lower than ours.
Also, the people who might've been susceptible of dying from Influenza would also be susceptible of dying from Covid.

In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ?
It did, I direct your attention to April and May in your graph. Again, the country went through an unprecedented gigantic nationwide response. Now the restrictions start lifting your own data shows the monthly deaths is climbing again.
June, July, August had some of the lowest numbers in the past 10 years yet September was the 6th highest in the past 10 years, October is the 3rd highest in the past 10 years, November the 2nd highest in the past 10 years and December predicted to be the No 1 highest of the past 10 years.

Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

correct...dont like the facts and figures = must be a conspiracy and nukes has now placed cohorts in the office of national statistics to fiddle the numbers....
and yes..it is always the same no matter what countries stats you look at.... strangely enough the truth remains the truth..

Really, just what is the point in quoting past figures this last year has never been seen before in my lifetime or yours latest figures can be read in many different ways. No its people reading the news feeds and a lot of what they are reading is fake news, then they have a bee in their bonnet and harp on about it. People should use their own common sense and experience, and make their own decisions on Covid19.

Really ?? Quote ONS and it’s a conspiracy Telling me that I should make my own mind up instead of fake news ? Well that is something when someone takes their news from the BBC and Sky News

I’m manipulating the ONS report ? It’s read it and make your own minds up and take it how you will Baaaaaa

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

correct...dont like the facts and figures = must be a conspiracy and nukes has now placed cohorts in the office of national statistics to fiddle the numbers....
and yes..it is always the same no matter what countries stats you look at.... strangely enough the truth remains the truth..

Really, just what is the point in quoting past figures this last year has never been seen before in my lifetime or yours latest figures can be read in many different ways. No its people reading the news feeds and a lot of what they are reading is fake news, then they have a bee in their bonnet and harp on about it. People should use their own common sense and experience, and make their own decisions on Covid19.

i think maybe you should have a look at 1968.... no i didnt miss school, wear a mask or have nutters threatening my freedom of choice over a corners cut vaccine either....maybe it didnt happen in conspiracy theory world just the real world ? but we lived/ worked / played through it...

as for the news./ government briefings etc... its nice when things are level, honest and given perspective... a few examples... our government reduced covid deaths by over 5,300 at one point after it was pointed out to them that the way they were counting meant once you had a positive test youd be a covid death no matter what you died of and no matter how much time had passed.... they then put a time limit of 28 days on it but did not change the criteria for having covid on the DC.... the original means of counting ? was said it was to not under estimate... a BBC news article of a coffin maker in March whose orders were now 5 thousand per cent increased { no mention that he had just had the contract for the county } ...and umpteen graphs none of which would get you a pass at GCSE... no..when the scale is 1 to 100,00 ..you can not condense to just the bottom bit 1 to 50 with a line reaching the very top and pretend thats giving a true picture...

Apart from March & May your monthly figures for 2020 are low by between 1,000 and 8,000 deaths.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

So you agree with both mine and Skidem's point on the other thread that Blemmy's talk of 'end of mankind' is massive hyperbole then?

In all seriousness, this is a good example of why people on the other side of the table to you can get frustrated.

Trying to put forward a reasoned argument to counter a position which ranges from Blemmy's view that this is an extinction-level event to your own position, which sounds to me a bit more balanced and takes into account the "potential" strain that the treatment and implementation of therapeutic for non-fatal cases of Covid would have on the NHS will have, is nigh on impossible.

The gulf in reasoning between those two points is just so massive it is almost impossible to hold a reasonable discussion about it, all the while having to have our position constantly, yet subtly undermined by throwaway terms like a conspiracy theorist or anti-vaxxers. And to be clear it's not that these terms are offensive in any way, but they have subtle yet powerful influence in diminishing the authority of an opposing voice. (in fact the term conspiracy theorist was coined to achieve exactly this effect by the CIA - there's a tin foil hat fact for you )

The arguments for the lockdowns and now the vaccine have been built on shifting sands starting with just two weeks to flatten the curve through to this now ludicrous position of the end of life on Earth as we know it for a virus with a 99.4% survival rate.

Your position here Bluebina, i.e. protecting the NHS is perhaps the most valid argument to be put forward, yet if we pull this down to a question of economics, which at the most fundamental level is what is required to support the NHS, then a very different path could have been taken, to protect the most vulnerable, and funnel funds into specialist care units for those susceptible to severe COVID symptoms. The loss of opportunity costs alone by closing the economy down twice now could have easily provided ample funds for medical coverage and facilities before we even get into the sheer cost of furlough schemes and CBILs.

That is a sensible conversation that can be had, I'm sure you probably have a counterpoint to it, and as with previous discussions, we may be able to find some middle ground, or at least leave a conversation having respected each other's views and taken something new into consideration.

But currently, such actual proper conversations are getting lost in the massive mix of positions coming from those who are pro-vaccine and prepared to casually dismiss the importance of individual autonomy and liberty.

Everyone who is pro-vaccine/anti-liberty (see what I did there) is claiming to be on the same page - as shown by all the mutual backslapping on the other thread - which is fine, I'm all for civility

But you're presenting a united front on the one hand here, talking to those of us who are probably a bit to dim to keep up with all you big brains that have worked out why the vaccine is needed. However, the reality is your all so far apart in what you think the actual clear and present danger is of COVID, it is hard to have such discussions in any meaningful or productive way.

This is intended as more of an observation than a pop at anyone in particular just an observation more than anything else

Apart from March & May your monthly figures for 2020 are low by between 1,000 and 8,000 deaths.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence

"I’m manipulating the ONS report ?" -Nukes, circa 2020

Well who saw that twist coming?

January was the second lowest and February the 4th lowest (the graphs grainy so I might be wrong there). If you're talking about the impact of corona then they should be removed as the first deaths were in march.
If you also remove December as that's projected so isn't that important right now then that'd help clear the data up. (Is November also projected as we haven't finished it yet?).

I'd wait until the years out, remove the first 2 months, look at the figures of each individual cause of death (cancer, heart disease etc) with an emphasis on similar ones such as flu and then compare to past years whilst remembering we've been in lock down and had restrictions for 9 months to judge its impact.

January was the second lowest and February the 4th lowest (the graphs grainy so I might be wrong there). If you're talking about the impact of corona then they should be removed as the first deaths were in march.
If you also remove December as that's projected so isn't that important right now then that'd help clear the data up. (Is November also projected as we haven't finished it yet?).

I'd wait until the years out, remove the first 2 months, look at the figures of each individual cause of death (cancer, heart disease etc) with an emphasis on similar ones such as flu and then compare to past years whilst remembering we've been in lock down and had restrictions for 9 months to judge its impact.

These are all actually valid points, presented in a reasonable manner. Has some hacked Josh's account

Credit where it's due though, good post.

January was the second lowest and February the 4th lowest (the graphs grainy so I might be wrong there). If you're talking about the impact of corona then they should be removed as the first deaths were in march.
If you also remove December as that's projected so isn't that important right now then that'd help clear the data up. (Is November also projected as we haven't finished it yet?).

I'd wait until the years out, remove the first 2 months, look at the figures of each individual cause of death (cancer, heart disease etc) with an emphasis on similar ones such as flu and then compare to past years whilst remembering we've been in lock down and had restrictions for 9 months to judge its impact.

the projections just shouldnt be there... Jan and Feb, not so sure as there seems to be quite a bit of evidence now that this has been around longer than first thought ...

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

correct...dont like the facts and figures = must be a conspiracy and nukes has now placed cohorts in the office of national statistics to fiddle the numbers....
and yes..it is always the same no matter what countries stats you look at.... strangely enough the truth remains the truth..

Really, just what is the point in quoting past figures this last year has never been seen before in my lifetime or yours latest figures can be read in many different ways. No its people reading the news feeds and a lot of what they are reading is fake news, then they have a bee in their bonnet and harp on about it. People should use their own common sense and experience, and make their own decisions on Covid19.

Really ?? Quote ONS and it’s a conspiracy Telling me that I should make my own mind up instead of fake news ? Well that is something when someone takes their news from the BBC and Sky News [/qu

Pray tell where do you get your news from?

January was the second lowest and February the 4th lowest (the graphs grainy so I might be wrong there). If you're talking about the impact of corona then they should be removed as the first deaths were in march.
If you also remove December as that's projected so isn't that important right now then that'd help clear the data up. (Is November also projected as we haven't finished it yet?).

I'd wait until the years out, remove the first 2 months, look at the figures of each individual cause of death (cancer, heart disease etc) with an emphasis on similar ones such as flu and then compare to past years whilst remembering we've been in lock down and had restrictions for 9 months to judge its impact.

Josh is this really you? , I have got to agree with you here, wait till the end of the year

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

tbh mate he is making his argument based of official facts and figures.... its a real shame others do not do the same.... the conspiracy nuts are actually those that fly in the face of those facts and figures....and change their stance to suit....one minute you say flu is something that requires 2 lemsips... but now lemsips do not cut it anymore and figures would be....through the roof and your bemused how people are not grasping what you yourself dismissed a few weeks ago....

FFS I don't have to spell it out again

He said why are flu numbers down = Because distancing has reduced the number of people getting infected!

Why would death figures be more if it wasn't for Lockdowns = Death figures would be through the roof with Covid deaths!

Plus quite a few people would get a covid/flue doubler!

I still think flu is feck all, 2 lemsips last time, but it can kill the very weak, but is feck all compared to covid!

Think for sometime this has been the case for some time ive had people and tell me the same that the death very read covud related just to move the paperwork quicker .

Unless you're comparing like for like then any comparison, and any conclusions drawn from it, is worthless. Comparing last years flu deaths with this years flu deaths is like comparing chalk and cheese.
Doesn't matter where you get your news from, its basic interpretation of data.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

tbh mate he is making his argument based of official facts and figures.... its a real shame others do not do the same.... the conspiracy nuts are actually those that fly in the face of those facts and figures....and change their stance to suit....one minute you say flu is something that requires 2 lemsips... but now lemsips do not cut it anymore and figures would be....through the roof and your bemused how people are not grasping what you yourself dismissed a few weeks ago....

FFS I don't have to spell it out again

He said why are flu numbers down = Because distancing has reduced the number of people getting infected!

Why would death figures be more if it wasn't for Lockdowns = Death figures would be through the roof with Covid deaths!

Plus quite a few people would get a covid/flue doubler!

I still think flu is feck all, 2 lemsips last time, but it can kill the very weak, but is feck all compared to covid!

You realise that vast majority 80% of covid deaths are in over 70 age group and people with underlying health problems ? And as you point out deaths from flu are because patients are weak and probably got underlying problems so both are as dangerous as each other to same groups of peoples.. so cannot dismiss flu with couple of lemsips..... also 80% of people dont show symptoms of covid but everyone knows they've got flu or similar symptoms...... probably find that more die from flu than actual covid on it's own and not with underlying symptoms as being recorded now.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

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All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Missing point slightly they are saying 60k+ died of covid but the figures and way they are used are misleading at best ! So now they are saying dying with covid and not of covid when announcing deaths ......yet still announce total deaths from covid just a slight contradiction in what they say.
If covid mentioned on death certificate its classed as covid death even if terminally ill with cancer ect lots more examples of this kind of manipulation of figures.

To be honest, I haven't looked at the figures, I replied immediately to I wonder why the number of flu death is down and thought it's obvious because of the measures!

It was also obvious that the measures would mean that covid deaths were lower than they would have been if the country hadn't been locked down in one way or another all year.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

Always the same well said

correct...dont like the facts and figures = must be a conspiracy and nukes has now placed cohorts in the office of national statistics to fiddle the numbers....
and yes..it is always the same no matter what countries stats you look at.... strangely enough the truth remains the truth..

Really, just what is the point in quoting past figures this last year has never been seen before in my lifetime or yours latest figures can be read in many different ways. No its people reading the news feeds and a lot of what they are reading is fake news, then they have a bee in their bonnet and harp on about it. People should use their own common sense and experience, and make their own decisions on Covid19.

i think maybe you should have a look at 1968.... no i didnt miss school, wear a mask or have nutters threatening my freedom of choice over a corners cut vaccine either....maybe it didnt happen in conspiracy theory world just the real world ? but we lived/ worked / played through it...

as for the news./ government briefings etc... its nice when things are level, honest and given perspective... a few examples... our government reduced covid deaths by over 5,300 at one point after it was pointed out to them that the way they were counting meant once you had a positive test youd be a covid death no matter what you died of and no matter how much time had passed.... they then put a time limit of 28 days on it but did not change the criteria for having covid on the DC.... the original means of counting ? was said it was to not under estimate... a BBC news article of a coffin maker in March whose orders were now 5 thousand per cent increased { no mention that he had just had the contract for the county } ...and umpteen graphs none of which would get you a pass at GCSE... no..when the scale is 1 to 100,00 ..you can not condense to just the bottom bit 1 to 50 with a line reaching the very top and pretend thats giving a true picture...

i think maybe you should have a look at 1968.... no i didnt miss school, wear a mask or have nutters threatening my freedom of choice over a corners cut vaccine either....maybe it didnt happen in conspiracy theory world just the real world ? but we lived/ worked / played through it...

No I think you probably had a lemsip, you can't compare flu to Covid, yes it's nasty and I would choose to avoid it, but it kills less, and doesn't spread anywhere near as quickly!

Once covid is cracked they will carry on letting us catch flu while vaccinating the over 65's, because it's not in the same league.

This is the official ONS death rates and as you can see the rates this year have been the same or even under or two months over.
But in other official statistics Influenza deaths has dropped significantly. Can anyone say why ?
In a true pandemic the death rates this year would have sky rocketed would you not agree ? Anyhow I don’t know if anyone has noticed but they no longer say daily Covid death rates ? They now refer to it as daily Covid RELATED deaths or even those that have died WITH Covid.
Yes it’s a very Nasty bug but we get nasty dugs/Virus all the time it’s life.

BD97244C-E0F8-4490-B51F-F7F6B66C7659.jpeg

All virus transmissions including the common cold and flu have reduced because people are distancing, washing their hands, and can't go anywhere indoors without drastic measures because of the covid 19 pandemic.

If it were a normal year with everything fully open and no education regarding handwashing etc the figures would be through the roof?

How can anyone not understand this and quote previous years figures as an actual comparison?

Come off it all this conspiracy nonsense has been done to death, the measures are in place to allow the NHS to cope

tbh mate he is making his argument based of official facts and figures.... its a real shame others do not do the same.... the conspiracy nuts are actually those that fly in the face of those facts and figures....and change their stance to suit....one minute you say flu is something that requires 2 lemsips... but now lemsips do not cut it anymore and figures would be....through the roof and your bemused how people are not grasping what you yourself dismissed a few weeks ago....

FFS I don't have to spell it out again

He said why are flu numbers down = Because distancing has reduced the number of people getting infected!

Why would death figures be more if it wasn't for Lockdowns = Death figures would be through the roof with Covid deaths!

Plus quite a few people would get a covid/flue doubler!

I still think flu is feck all, 2 lemsips last time, but it can kill the very weak, but is feck all compared to covid!

the flu is fck all but deaths would be through the roof......yep i think you need to spell it out again.....maybe a few more bang head emojis will help you self justify the contradictions ... yes covid is more deadly.. but the plague it aint and it also kills the very old and very weak with poor immune systems......so its pretty obvious some of those dying of covid would have been flu deaths if covid did not exist....