" WALES v IRELAND "

Penultimate game in the Nations League takes place on Sunday evening from 5pm, live on S4C and Sky Sports.

Wales lead Finland by one point at the top the group. Neither of the other two nations in the group can catch us.

So, we will be promoted to League A if we beat Ireland and Bulgaria beat Finland. Any other set of results will see it go to our final game which is against Finland on Wednesday.

Republic of Ireland are looking to avoid relegation to League C, and are currently one point ahead of Bulgaria.

Penultimate game in the Nations League takes place on Sunday evening from 5pm, live on S4C and Sky Sports.

Wales lead Finland by one point at the top the group. Neither of the other two nations in the group can catch us.

So, we will be promoted to League A if we beat Ireland and Bulgaria beat Finland. Any other set of results will see it go to our final game which is against Finland on Wednesday.

Republic of Ireland are looking to avoid relegation to League C, and are currently one point ahead of Bulgaria.

If we win they draw what's the position then with 1 game left and 3 points clear .... bearing in mind we play them last game

You have to think if you are Ireland that a loss to Wales is the best outcome in this game.

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

Strange scenario to this game I believe that when planning these competitions such scenarios should not be able to happen

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

How does this work?

Are we in the World Cup if we win? Are Ireland if they lose?

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

Strange scenario to this game I believe that when planning these competitions such scenarios should not be able to happen

Yes may get easier group next qualification rounds into euros but when it comes to taunement they will get technically a harder group than Wales if they qualify? If you are in pot A top group you dont get another big country so Wales will benefit..... if in pot B can get 2 top countries in group..... so the higher group your in technically get easier group in taunement! So it's in our interest to be in pot A... also the prize money is better higher up you are plus the 4 winners of group A get to play in a finals taunement separate from the euros! but basically nations league is to replace meaningless friendlies with added incentives of extra qualifying route for ruro2020

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

How does this work?

Are we in the World Cup if we win? Are Ireland if they lose?

so if we qualify for the World Cup through this tour meant why should we play in World Cup qualifiers if we have already qualified

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

Strange scenario to this game I believe that when planning these competitions such scenarios should not be able to happen

Yes may get easier group next qualification rounds into euros but when it comes to taunement they will get technically a harder group than Wales if they qualify? If you are in pot A top group you dont get another big country so Wales will benefit..... if in pot B can get 2 top countries in group..... so the higher group your in technically get easier group in taunement! So it's in our interest to be in pot A... also the prize money is better higher up you are plus the 4 winners of group A get to play in a finals taunement separate from the euros! but basically nations league is to replace meaningless friendlies with added incentives of extra qualifying route for ruro2020

Ps you also get seeding points for nations league and world cup taunements, so important to do well

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

Need to look at the criteria for nations league but basically its an extra way to qualify for euro 2020 through playoffs like this week with Scotland...... it also gives you better seeding points for world cup and get to play in own finals taunement if you win group A also higher you are more money you earn? And it replaces most friendly games, Last year there was a problem understanding nations league on here ...

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

Need to look at the criteria for nations league but basically its an extra way to qualify for euro 2020 through playoffs like this week with Scotland...... it also gives you better seeding points for world cup and get to play in own finals taunement if you win group A also higher you are more money you earn? And it replaces most friendly games, Last year there was a problem understanding nations league on here ...

Thats the point
Scotland in Pot C had to play a relatively poor Serbia side to qualify , if they were in pot b they would have had a much harder match

Us winning tonight guarantees a play off spot I believe in a tough game.
Ireland theoretically next campaign could be in a group alongside Andorra, Azerbaijan and Liechtenstein which they are very likely to top , then they would have a play off against another lowly ranked team to qualify.

So surely its better for them to drop into pot c ready for the next tournament against easier teams.

Or they can win today, stay in pot b and have a much harder group in which they would be unlikely to qualify from.

To me it doesn't matter what place you are ranked once you get to a tournament . All the games are tough and the goal is to just make it because let's be fair they will never win it anyway.

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

Need to look at the criteria for nations league but basically its an extra way to qualify for euro 2020 through playoffs like this week with Scotland...... it also gives you better seeding points for world cup and get to play in own finals taunement if you win group A also higher you are more money you earn? And it replaces most friendly games, Last year there was a problem understanding nations league on here ...

Thats the point
Scotland in Pot C had to play a relatively poor Serbia side to qualify , if they were in pot b they would have had a much harder match

Us winning tonight guarantees a play off spot I believe in a tough game.
Ireland theoretically next campaign could be in a group alongside Andorra, Azerbaijan and Liechtenstein which they are very likely to top , then they would have a play off against another lowly ranked team to qualify.

So surely its better for them to drop into pot c ready for the next tournament against easier teams.

Or they can win today, stay in pot b and have a much harder group in which they would be unlikely to qualify from.

To me it doesn't matter what place you are ranked once you get to a tournament . All the games are tough and the goal is to just make it because let's be fair they will never win it anyway.

it doesnt guarantee a play off spot...
europe has 13 world cup spots... 10 groups will be drawn with 10 winners going through..
10 runners up enter play offs.. along with 2 nations lge countries... it will be 2 group winners with the highest ranking that have not already qualified for the world cup or the world cup play offs.... it would mean we would stand a good chance but not guartanteed.,... the 12 play off countries would then be drawn in 3 groups of 4... semis then a final with the 3 group winners qualifying...

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

Need to look at the criteria for nations league but basically its an extra way to qualify for euro 2020 through playoffs like this week with Scotland...... it also gives you better seeding points for world cup and get to play in own finals taunement if you win group A also higher you are more money you earn? And it replaces most friendly games, Last year there was a problem understanding nations league on here ...

Thats the point
Scotland in Pot C had to play a relatively poor Serbia side to qualify , if they were in pot b they would have had a much harder match

Us winning tonight guarantees a play off spot I believe in a tough game.
Ireland theoretically next campaign could be in a group alongside Andorra, Azerbaijan and Liechtenstein which they are very likely to top , then they would have a play off against another lowly ranked team to qualify.

So surely its better for them to drop into pot c ready for the next tournament against easier teams.

Or they can win today, stay in pot b and have a much harder group in which they would be unlikely to qualify from.

To me it doesn't matter what place you are ranked once you get to a tournament . All the games are tough and the goal is to just make it because let's be fair they will never win it anyway.

it doesnt guarantee a play off spot...
europe has 13 world cup spots... 10 groups will be drawn with 10 winners going through..
10 runners up enter play offs.. along with 2 nations lge countries... it will be 2 group winners with the highest ranking that have not already qualified for the world cup or the world cup play offs.... it would mean we would stand a good chance but not guartanteed.,... the 12 play off countries would then be drawn in 3 groups of 4... semis then a final with the 3 group winners qualifying...

When I said play off spot I meant the play offs of the winners of the groups. Reading the table again It only guarantees it if Finland fail to win aswell.

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

Need to look at the criteria for nations league but basically its an extra way to qualify for euro 2020 through playoffs like this week with Scotland...... it also gives you better seeding points for world cup and get to play in own finals taunement if you win group A also higher you are more money you earn? And it replaces most friendly games, Last year there was a problem understanding nations league on here ...

Thats the point
Scotland in Pot C had to play a relatively poor Serbia side to qualify , if they were in pot b they would have had a much harder match

Us winning tonight guarantees a play off spot I believe in a tough game.
Ireland theoretically next campaign could be in a group alongside Andorra, Azerbaijan and Liechtenstein which they are very likely to top , then they would have a play off against another lowly ranked team to qualify.

So surely its better for them to drop into pot c ready for the next tournament against easier teams.

Or they can win today, stay in pot b and have a much harder group in which they would be unlikely to qualify from.

To me it doesn't matter what place you are ranked once you get to a tournament . All the games are tough and the goal is to just make it because let's be fair they will never win it anyway.

it doesnt guarantee a play off spot...
europe has 13 world cup spots... 10 groups will be drawn with 10 winners going through..
10 runners up enter play offs.. along with 2 nations lge countries... it will be 2 group winners with the highest ranking that have not already qualified for the world cup or the world cup play offs.... it would mean we would stand a good chance but not guartanteed.,... the 12 play off countries would then be drawn in 3 groups of 4... semis then a final with the 3 group winners qualifying...

When I said play off spot I meant the play offs of the winners of the groups. Reading the table again It only guarantees it if Finland fail to win aswell.

no mate... re the world cup its possible for..say denmark and poland { any group winners in lge A } to win their nations lge groups , then not finish top 2 in actual qualifying// and therefore squeeze us out....
i dont think there are lge play offs for nations lge other than lge A to determine champions as the point last time was for euro qualification which isnt on the table this time...

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It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

Need to look at the criteria for nations league but basically its an extra way to qualify for euro 2020 through playoffs like this week with Scotland...... it also gives you better seeding points for world cup and get to play in own finals taunement if you win group A also higher you are more money you earn? And it replaces most friendly games, Last year there was a problem understanding nations league on here ...

Thats the point
Scotland in Pot C had to play a relatively poor Serbia side to qualify , if they were in pot b they would have had a much harder match

Us winning tonight guarantees a play off spot I believe in a tough game.
Ireland theoretically next campaign could be in a group alongside Andorra, Azerbaijan and Liechtenstein which they are very likely to top , then they would have a play off against another lowly ranked team to qualify.

So surely its better for them to drop into pot c ready for the next tournament against easier teams.

Or they can win today, stay in pot b and have a much harder group in which they would be unlikely to qualify from.

To me it doesn't matter what place you are ranked once you get to a tournament . All the games are tough and the goal is to just make it because let's be fair they will never win it anyway.

On paper it looks as if it's better for Ireland to be relegated but the higher you are in nations league the more benefits you get towards qualifying for world cup and more money you get! if you read articles on the teams you'll find they dont want relegation but would love promotion....... tbh it's hard to work out what benefits are with nations league but relegation may get you short term gain but in long run it doesnt help you qualify for world cup in fact hinders you ...

This over playing from the back means your technically poorest players have the most touches and you give your opponents time to reorganize, crazy to me, but i am just a fan.

Totaly agree. It's too fkn slow and our front three are always under pressure. Page sort it out.
On another note who the fk is Norrington Davies? Every pass (virtually!) has been a back pass.
Where's Harry? I think he would link up better with Bale?

It's almost as bad as watching Cardiff, zero of 4 attempts on target.

Would rather see lawrence that nor davies more back passes and 3 attempted crosses all hit an irish player
recycle b.ll.cks cross field and back again just like harris style
ffs take the game to them

Ireland the better side for me.

Not sure what we should do as Ireland are pressurizing us well.

Good going forward but as soon as get to penalty area we go backwards ffs try putting ball in box believe it or not you may score !

Good going forward but as soon as get to penalty area we go backwards ffs try putting ball in box believe it or not you may score !

See what can do if put ball into the middle? BROOOOOOKS

Good going forward but as soon as get to penalty area we go backwards ffs try putting ball in box believe it or not you may score !

See what can do if put ball into the middle? BROOOOOOKS

I was just going to write that someone must have been reading your post.

Good going forward but as soon as get to penalty area we go backwards ffs try putting ball in box believe it or not you may score !

See what can do if put ball into the middle? BROOOOOOKS

I was just going to write that someone must have been reading your post.

I have hotline to the bench as my seat is behind dugouts

For me a change of the system has done us good. I just hope we can keep a clean sheet now although another goal for us will be good.

For me a change of the system has done us good. I just hope we can keep a clean sheet now although another goal for us will be good.

This as happened couple of times with Giggs he starts one system that fails then changes it and hey presto we score!

It will be very interesting what side is picked looking forward to this one

Normal would be a good game but in the back of everyone's head must be the fact that if Wales win, both will qualify for a major tournament.

Wales will by topping the group this year and Ireland would be relegated which would put them in pot 3 for the next league which in reality will give them a easy route next time Against teams like lithuania , belarus and Azerbaijan instead of Czech Republic, Wales, Norway.

Surely Ireland won't be going all out to win this game ?
Its not in there interest as they gain nothing by winning but gain a lot by losing .

This thread has me confused. How is at we qualify for a major tournament through the nations league? I thought, at best, you gained an extra shot through complicated play offs?

Need to look at the criteria for nations league but basically its an extra way to qualify for euro 2020 through playoffs like this week with Scotland...... it also gives you better seeding points for world cup and get to play in own finals taunement if you win group A also higher you are more money you earn? And it replaces most friendly games, Last year there was a problem understanding nations league on here ...

Thats the point
Scotland in Pot C had to play a relatively poor Serbia side to qualify , if they were in pot b they would have had a much harder match

Us winning tonight guarantees a play off spot I believe in a tough game.
Ireland theoretically next campaign could be in a group alongside Andorra, Azerbaijan and Liechtenstein which they are very likely to top , then they would have a play off against another lowly ranked team to qualify.

So surely its better for them to drop into pot c ready for the next tournament against easier teams.

Or they can win today, stay in pot b and have a much harder group in which they would be unlikely to qualify from.

To me it doesn't matter what place you are ranked once you get to a tournament . All the games are tough and the goal is to just make it because let's be fair they will never win it anyway.

Best way to see the result of being successful in nations league compared to relegated.. look at group
F in euro 2020 compared to ours that is scenario you can get... grant you its extreme but that is possible if in pot 3 instead of pot 2