Petition sennedd supermarkets be allowed to sell all goods

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/244282

I've signed the petition but it's certainly not because I want to be able to buy a kettle or toaster from Asda - I can always get one online if I want to.

The reason I've voted is because this nonsense about what you can and can't buy in a shop has absolutely nothing to do with controlling a virus and everything to do with controlling the entire population of a country.

As one woman put it! Whats not essential to one person may be essential to another.... so it's easy to say what is not essential if they never need that item?

Sums it up

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He's started the backtracking as he now says there'll be a review after weekend..... silly man he must know he WG would be ridiculed for stopping people buying stuff in supermarkets... cant buy kettle but can buy car Jack? Ect ect no thought again being put into what he says..

This lot just don't have a clue

He's started the backtracking as he now says there'll be a review after weekend..... silly man he must know he WG would be ridiculed for stopping people buying stuff in supermarkets... cant buy kettle but can buy car Jack? Ect ect no thought again being put into what he says..

Monday should be interesting.

I can't see the despot changing his mind - he's so utterly convinced that he's right that even the views of tens of thousands of dissenters are unlikely to sway him.

His decision will give a real indication as to how he considers the views of large numbers of the people he governs.

He's started the backtracking as he now says there'll be a review after weekend..... silly man he must know he WG would be ridiculed for stopping people buying stuff in supermarkets... cant buy kettle but can buy car Jack? Ect ect no thought again being put into what he says..

Monday should be interesting.

I can't see the despot changing his mind - he's so utterly convinced that he's right that even the views of tens of thousands of dissenters are unlikely to sway him.

Trouble is more and more people are sceptical about what WG say? Had an 80yr old say he's worst minister hes known..... is it no wonder people are not as compliant as previously ? Then there was some sense in lockdown now the reasons for lockdown are his alone and flies in face of experts the same ones he swears by when making up the restrictions!

Last edited by pembroke allan on Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Pressure is mounting on the Welsh Government to reverse a ban on supermarkets selling "non-essential" items such as clothing in Wales.

A petition on the issue has more than 35,000 signatures - those that attract over 5,000 are debated in the Senedd.

Welsh Conservatives leader Paul Davies said the Senedd should be recalled to "urgently debate" the measure.

First Minister Mark Drakeford tweeted to say he would be reviewing the measures after the weekend.

Pressure is mounting on the Welsh Government to reverse a ban on supermarkets selling "non-essential" items such as clothing in Wales.

A petition on the issue has more than 35,000 signatures - those that attract over 5,000 are debated in the Senedd.

Welsh Conservatives leader Paul Davies said the Senedd should be recalled to "urgently debate" the measure.

First Minister Mark Drakeford tweeted to say he would be reviewing the measures after the weekend.

It's a barmy that you can't buy a kettle duvet and clothes.
There's no buggar in the shops anyway.

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

I've signed the petition but it's certainly not because I want to be able to buy a kettle or toaster from Asda - I can always get one online if I want to.

The reason I've voted is because this nonsense about what you can and can't buy in a shop has absolutely nothing to do with controlling a virus and everything to do with controlling the entire population of a country.

I think the idea was to get people in and out of the supermarkets a.s.a.p
Clothes bedding etc are essantial items.
Paul Scofields book ---hardly

Whatat I deem essential is not necessarily what someone who makes the rules would think is essential. The whole argument about wanting to buy a toaster is just people showing they have no control, people who are sticking up for the government keep trying to bring it up that it’s not a problem if you need it or not. The problem is that we are being told what we can and cannot buy. And the biggest issue is that he keeps saying he wants small business to survive well he’s certainly just killed 100’s of them with this pathetic ‘fire break’ lockdown.

There is a list of what can open / close - Non Essential...that's the stuff which Supermarkets can also sell ???

So why have clothes / shoe / hardware / DIY / Garden Cent / etc closed ..... But Off licence can open ???

No Way does this back up - From Welsh Gov .... We have to be fair CLUELESSS

This Country

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

shops that were allowed to remain open could sell whatever items they have in stock...was what our government said...and the shops did.....there were a few power gone to their head gestapo type simpleton Cops that exceeded their powers and ended up looking real tools... i think their names were fred drakeford, dai drakeford, bill drakeford, ann drakeford and mary drakeford....

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

shops that were allowed to remain open could sell whatever items they have in stock...was what our government said...and the shops did.....there were a few power gone to their head gestapo type simpleton Cops that exceeded their powers and ended up looking real tools... i think their names were fred drakeford, dai drakeford, bill drakeford, ann drakeford and mary drakeford....

Thats not true
Most supermarkets stopped selling non essential items . They may have been a few that let a couple of items slip through and didnt cling film the shelves but it was supposed to be essential only.

This is a massive over reaction anyway its only two weeks to try and help keep the virus undercontrol.

Surely its worth a shot whether you believe it or not we have to try something

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

Maybe it would have helped drakeford if he explained his rationale for closing down shops and letting supermarkets sell only essential items whatever that is? Instead he's had to come out and say you can use internet or get family and friends to help out so not essential to buy in shops. That is a totally flawed idea namely not everyone are savvy to buy online or got someone to help.out... you simply cannot differentiate what is and what's not essential...if never wear pjs in bed it's not essential to you but to an older person it is more likely essential.... common sense is lacking in WGs judgement..

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

How many people do you know that do not have Internet or at least access to it ?

Clothing stores are either free delivery or a couple of quid. It would cost the same to get the bus or park at the shops.

People are just looking for a excuse to bash the government and have a argument. Its a short lockdown to ensure our health service is not overrun and people need to listen to the professionals rather than Tracey from Facebook.

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

Maybe it would have helped drakeford if he explained his rationale for closing down shops and letting supermarkets sell only essential items whatever that is? Instead he's had to come out and say you can use internet or get family and friends to help out so not essential to buy in shops. That is a totally flawed idea namely not everyone are savvy to buy online or got someone to help.out... you simply cannot differentiate what is and what's not essential...if never wear pjs in bed it's not essential to you but to an older person it is more likely essential.... common sense is lacking in WGs judgement..

Why didn't these people have nightware before Fridays lockdown if it was needed that much.

All these arguments are getting more and more pathetic. Its a 17 day lockdown not a 17 week.

People knew it was coming and should have organised themselves like they would if they were going on holiday.

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

Maybe it would have helped drakeford if he explained his rationale for closing down shops and letting supermarkets sell only essential items whatever that is? Instead he's had to come out and say you can use internet or get family and friends to help out so not essential to buy in shops. That is a totally flawed idea namely not everyone are savvy to buy online or got someone to help.out... you simply cannot differentiate what is and what's not essential...if never wear pjs in bed it's not essential to you but to an older person it is more likely essential.... common sense is lacking in WGs judgement..

Why didn't these people have nightware before Fridays lockdown if it was needed that much.

All these arguments are getting more and more pathetic. Its a 17 day lockdown not a 17 week.

People knew it was coming and should have organised themselves like they would if they were going on holiday.

Well at least we'll be better prepared for the next full lockdown that the WAG have today said will be definitely coming in January or February.

Isn't the fact that they have already decided on the date for the next one an admission that this one isn't going to work?

Or perhaps they'll try to lie to us again like they did a week ago when they said that no decision had been made when that leaked letter clearly showed that Drakeford was lying to the Welsh public when he stood at the briefing on Friday 16th October and said that no decision had been made?

WAG officials have said there will be constant lockdowns until a vaccine is available - perhaps they'd like to confirm that the moment one is available life can immediately return to normal the next day for everybody whether they decide to have the vaccine or not?

I'll not hold my breath.

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

How many people do you know that do not have Internet or at least access to it ?

Clothing stores are either free delivery or a couple of quid. It would cost the same to get the bus or park at the shops.

People are just looking for a excuse to bash the government and have a argument. Its a short lockdown to ensure our health service is not overrun and people need to listen to the professionals rather than Tracey from Facebook.

not everyone had internet access and across the UK its millions...
anyway...what happens if he changes the rule tomorrow ?
was the science wrong ?
is he now going against the science ?
does the science change hourly ?
will he admit being wrong ?
and will you then be in Traceys camp..
truth is it doesnt matter where information comes from providing it is accurate... if Tracey is saying facts and WAG are not why would you take a lie over a truth....yet many do...

Will it be a short lockdown? If infections are same level then what? lift lockdown which would mean original lockdown pointless as most experts said wouldn't work but he ignored that advice or extend it?.... and latest reports is he wont be changing essential items rule in shops.... but dont panic he as another lockdown planned for new year and probably thinking of another just in time for summer holidays!.... once you start something you have to see it through let's just hope he's prepared for more unrest from joe public ..

I'm actually now beginning to hope he doesn't change the current position because if he does he's only going to have a stick to beat us with when the "figures" suddenly start showing a large increase just as we're coming to the end of the 17 day lockdown which of course we know they will as that has already been decided.

It will give the WAG the perfect reason to impose further restrictions at the end of the 17 days on the basis that the public weren't willing to follow the guidelines which were imposed during the "firebreak" lockdown period.

This could actually be playing right into Drakeford's hands give him a reason to extend the lockdown or bring in even more restrictions.

Let's all follow Drakeford's new mantra

Stay Home!
Save Lives!
No Kettles!

No reversal then