WAG again OMG

Another WAG member has said a kettle is not essential as there are other ways of boiling water. Well let me stress this is the 21st century and whilst she clearly studied history in school I remind her that boiling water on a stove is dangerous particularly for elderly and frail people. In addition I wonder what her attitude would be if it was a member of her own family. WAG are digging more and more holes for themselves. They are pompous and conceited and oblivious to the hardships of many whilst they earn their huh salaries. Attitudes like this are a disgrace.

Another WAG member has said a kettle is not essential as there are other ways of boiling water. Well let me stress this is the 21st century and whilst she clearly studied history in school I remind her that boiling water on a stove is dangerous particularly for elderly and frail people. In addition I wonder what her attitude would be if it was a member of her own family. WAG are digging more and more holes for themselves. They are pompous and conceited and oblivious to the hardships of many whilst they earn their huh salaries. Attitudes like this are a disgrace.

This is the straw which has broken the camel's back as far as I am concerned. I have voted Labour at every Assembly election since it was formed in 1999 but they won't be getting my vote next year and I hope they crash and burn.

This firebreak, circuit breaker, lockdown or what it is in reality the taking away of our Civil liberties by people who have lost the plot is not the way ahead and will cost more lives than it will save.

Are lump hammers essential items,, we could do with a few of those for the wag

Drakeford is a non essential politician that’s for sure

The sooner he and his moronic cabinet sod off the better

No point crying wolf Tone.. you get what you vote for. These people have been impressive failures for years..

I think the person you are talking about is the deputy leader of the Welsh Labour party.
She was interviewed on LBC earlier and the interviewer asked about kettles etc.

the politician needs media training as soon as possible. Talk about coming across as stupid. She allowed herself to get into a conversation about what is and what's not essential. When ALL she had to say was why they have done what they have done. That is to stop supermarkets selling products that smaller shops already sell. Meaning that Bob's kettle shop has had to close for 2 weeks (no furlough so they lose money) where as Tesco / Asda can sell kettles and effectively take all the business. She stupidly allowed herself to get bogged down in triviality.

Welsh Labour and the WAG are wide open to very true criticism. They have been in power at the WAG for 22 years. We have never had any other party in power. This isnt wales it's North Korea where they vote the same bunch of useless inept second rate politicians in election after election. If you vote Labour every time regardless of how well they perform - then fair enough on you.

I prefer to hold politicians to account at each election - and at least in fairness to the UK Govt over the last 22 years - we've had Labour , Coalition & Conservative Govts. The WAG is just Labour Labour Labour. Politics should be working much better in Wales but it isnt - you get what you voted for.

And we have Drakeford - a teacher / social worker then Assembly member. Never worked in the private sector, never run a company, never been in charge of company where what you do and how you perform is scrutinised by shareholders / board of directors.

No instead we have a man with no experience of life at all. He looks like he buys his suits from the PDSA in cowbridge road and seems unable to actually dress himself or find a suit that fits him properly. We are a laughing stock - and if I wasn't Welsh - I'd be laughing at us to.

No point crying wolf Tone.. you get what you vote for. These people have been impressive failures for years..

I'm beginning to realise that

How on hell can alcohol be classed as an essential item and other household items are classed as not is beyond belief there can surely be no legal basis to this idea which is changing all the time and can not be legally enforced by the WAG as what is the definition of essential they are looking stupid and if Drakeford backs down over this which he will have too he will have too go.

How on hell can alcohol be classed as an essential item and other household items are classed as not is beyond belief there can surely be no legal basis to this idea which is changing all the time and can not be legally enforced by the WAG as what is the definition of essential they are looking stupid and if Drakeford backs down over this which he will have too he will have too go.

Because if you deny people alcohol they may well rebel. Let them drink and they’ll conform.

And that is why there can be no basis to this plan legally as they would have to stop supermarkets selling alcohol as it is clearly not essential. Just think of the wife and kids being locked up with a abusive partner for 17 days where he can buy as much alcohol as he wants but she can not buy anything for the children.

Supermarkets have been told they can only sell "essential" items and must close parts of their stores which sell products such as clothes, shoes, toys and bedding during Wales' 17-day "firebreak lockdown".

The petition, asking that supermarkets should be allowed to sell "non-essential" items, is already one of the largest ever sent to the Senedd.

Supermarkets have been told they can only sell "essential" items and must close parts of their stores which sell products such as clothes, shoes, toys and bedding during Wales' 17-day "firebreak lockdown".

The petition, asking that supermarkets should be allowed to sell "non-essential" items, is already one of the largest ever sent to the Senedd.

currently 41k...any idea what the biggest was ?

Supermarkets have been told they can only sell "essential" items and must close parts of their stores which sell products such as clothes, shoes, toys and bedding during Wales' 17-day "firebreak lockdown".

The petition, asking that supermarkets should be allowed to sell "non-essential" items, is already one of the largest ever sent to the Senedd.

currently 41k...any idea what the biggest was ?

No but a massvie U-TURN is on the cards here

Supermarkets have been told they can only sell "essential" items and must close parts of their stores which sell products such as clothes, shoes, toys and bedding during Wales' 17-day "firebreak lockdown".

The petition, asking that supermarkets should be allowed to sell "non-essential" items, is already one of the largest ever sent to the Senedd.

currently 41k...any idea what the biggest was ?

No but a massvie U-TURN is on the cards here

Supermarkets have been told they can only sell "essential" items and must close parts of their stores which sell products such as clothes, shoes, toys and bedding during Wales' 17-day "firebreak lockdown".

The petition, asking that supermarkets should be allowed to sell "non-essential" items, is already one of the largest ever sent to the Senedd.

currently 41k...any idea what the biggest was ?

No but a massvie U-TURN is on the cards here

A u turn alright to when the ICU beds were
all full. Yeah we all need kettles etc.
But let's have some common sense.

Supermarkets have been told they can only sell "essential" items and must close parts of their stores which sell products such as clothes, shoes, toys and bedding during Wales' 17-day "firebreak lockdown".

The petition, asking that supermarkets should be allowed to sell "non-essential" items, is already one of the largest ever sent to the Senedd.

currently 41k...any idea what the biggest was ?

No but a massvie U-TURN is on the cards here

A u turn alright to when the ICU beds were
all full. Yeah we all need kettles etc.
But let's have some common sense.

youve solved it... its not going in supermarkets, naughty people or pubs..its kettles, tin openers and the like these covid bastards are hanging about by.. sly fckrs....
by the way ICU bed capacity was running above 90% last January while covid was still in the lizardsnakes or wherever it came from, i know mr drakeford did not say this when he tacked ICU beds it onto his infections spiel. i wonder why. ???

For God's sake I will say it again the muns in the Welsh valleys will always vote Labour because they are thick they marry the girl next door and move in 3 doors down the street put their pinnies and make bakes tones!!!
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Shoppers in Cardiff had mixed opinions on the new rules.

Jane Millersmith said: "I think it's absolutely, totally ridiculous. The idea that somebody who's on benefits and is waiting for their money to come through, maybe until next Thursday or Wednesday, can't then buy a child a pair of school shoes is outrageous."

Meanwhile, Rebecca Edwards said: "If I was desperate because I'd broken my kettle I'd think 'I'll go and buy a kettle quickly' I'm not going to browse the whole of the homeware department because I need a kettle, I'd just go and buy a kettle because that's what I'd come for."

However, Oliver Bowler said he thought the Welsh Government was taking a "proportionate approach".


Covid in Wales: Supermarket rules 'will not be reversed'

Are people finally realising that they don't have to just vote for anything wearing a red rosette ?

Health Minister gets half his workload removed but keeps his salary !

Clueless buffons even their LibDem stooge is off

Are people finally realising that they don't have to just vote for anything wearing a red rosette ?

Health Minister gets half his workload removed but keeps his salary !

Clueless buffons even their LibDem stooge is off

I won't argue with your points above but I hope you're not suggesting that people wearing blue, orange or purple rosettes are any more reliable or competent

Are people finally realising that they don't have to just vote for anything wearing a red rosette ?

Health Minister gets half his workload removed but keeps his salary !

Clueless buffons even their LibDem stooge is off

I won't argue with your points above but I hope you're not suggesting that people wearing blue, orange or purple rosettes are any more reliable or competent

Kirsty Williams - She has been polishing her back side at the WAG for years. Thi syear when it finally comes to being held accountable for something she is responsible for she buckled like chocolate fireguard. No clue, no plan and basically no direction. So she is doing what all politicians do when they finally realise they are not actually that good when it comes to doing the work they are being over paid to do. They jump , they go down the family commitments, time for a change route.

She'll pop up again somewhere - they will reinvent herself as an Education consultant offering her services as a conduit between WAG and training / education companies. Basically doing nowt other than 'opening doors' to influence

Welsh politics is a laughing stock around the World. Even my mates in Canada and Aus have heard of these bungling fools. McEvoy got it right when he said this Govt are either incompetent or corrupt, and that's the only time he's talked sense.

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Funny enough was looking at kettles in Asda today.Could have bought one no probs.

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Population density alone isn't the best measure. As a country we may be less densely populated but roughly 35% of our population is situated in just 3 urban centres, in England however the population is much more spread out. To reach a total of 35% of England's population you're looking at about 8 or 9 cities combined.

Cardiff alone actually has a higher population density than Liverpool, Derby, Bristol, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, etc. In fact Cardiff's urban area is ranked the 12th most densely populated region in the UK.

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Population density alone isn't the best measure. As a country we may be less densely populated but roughly 35% of our population is situated in just 3 urban centres, in England however the population is much more spread out. To reach a total of 35% of England's population you're looking at about 8 or 9 cities combined.

Cardiff alone actually has a higher population density than Liverpool, Derby, Bristol, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, etc. In fact Cardiff's urban area is ranked the 12th most densely populated region in the UK.

so to reach a total of 35% density in a country 19 times as big it wouldnt take 19 times as many cities just 3 times as many ...

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Population density alone isn't the best measure. As a country we may be less densely populated but roughly 35% of our population is situated in just 3 urban centres, in England however the population is much more spread out. To reach a total of 35% of England's population you're looking at about 8 or 9 cities combined.

Cardiff alone actually has a higher population density than Liverpool, Derby, Bristol, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, etc. In fact Cardiff's urban area is ranked the 12th most densely populated region in the UK.

True but its the capital city, London is miles more densely populated, so would Birmingham be, and the rest of Wales is thinly spread out.

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Population density alone isn't the best measure. As a country we may be less densely populated but roughly 35% of our population is situated in just 3 urban centres, in England however the population is much more spread out. To reach a total of 35% of England's population you're looking at about 8 or 9 cities combined.

Cardiff alone actually has a higher population density than Liverpool, Derby, Bristol, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, etc. In fact Cardiff's urban area is ranked the 12th most densely populated region in the UK.

so to reach a total of 35% density in a country 19 times as big it wouldnt take 19 times as many cities just 3 times as many ...

35% density? I'm not even sure if that's a thing?
I'm on about total population. My point being 35% of our total population are situated within just 3 cities. Comparing this to England where 35% of their population are situated between 8 or 9. This would indicate that our country as a whole may be less densely populated but our actual population are in denser clusters than that of England.

Australia has a population density of just 3 people per square kilometre so you would imagine if overall population density was one of the major determining factors of Covid cases they would be one of the safest countries in the world. Obviously though Australia is much more crowded than 3 people per km^2, Sydney has about 5million inhabitants, Melbourne 4million, Perth and Brisbane 2million each. Much like Wales, extremely large portions of the population live in a handful of areas whilst the vast majority of the country away from the coast is virtually uninhabited.

This is different to England however, where the population is much more spread out across the whole country.
Consider you drove in a relatively straight line from North to South in England starting in Newcastle you would end up passing through Middlesbrough, Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham, Leicester, Coventry, Oxford, Reading before reaching Southampton.

A similar trip in Wales though starting in Llandudno would see you passing through just Brecon and Merthyr before you reached Cardiff.

I hope that has cleared up my point about our urban areas being more densely populated than in England.

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Population density alone isn't the best measure. As a country we may be less densely populated but roughly 35% of our population is situated in just 3 urban centres, in England however the population is much more spread out. To reach a total of 35% of England's population you're looking at about 8 or 9 cities combined.

Cardiff alone actually has a higher population density than Liverpool, Derby, Bristol, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, etc. In fact Cardiff's urban area is ranked the 12th most densely populated region in the UK.

True but its the capital city, London is miles more densely populated, so would Birmingham be, and the rest of Wales is thinly spread out.

That is a fair point about it being a capital city, unfortunately when it comes to statistics London is quite a tricky city. Very few countries have their largest city being 5 or 6 times bigger than the 2nd largest city.

You are right of course about London having a higher population density, 5,630 p/sqkm, compared to Cardiff, 4,370 p/sqkm, but Birmingham is actually smaller, 4,076 p/sqkm (admittedly a surprise to me when I found out).
And yes I do agree that the rest of Wales is more thinly spread out but my point I was considering is that over a third of our country is potentially living in a denser population than a third of England's population.

Whilst I don't know the actual figures I was making the point that just because England has a population density of 450 p/sqkm and Wales has 150 p/sqkm that doesn't necessarily means that our Covid cases should be 3x smaller as total population density isn't an accurate measure.

An example I gave to Skidemin, Australia has a population density of just 3 people per square kilometre but suggesting that their Covid cases should be 50x less than ours or 150x less than England's would be a ridiculous statement because cities like Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Brisbane all have millions of inhabitants each.

There is no perfect measure for population density in this scenario, my way doesn't take into account the entire population whereas your way doesn't account for individual cities densities. It's one of the reasons there is no obvious and simple solution to the current situation and why there are so many differing strategies, opinions, approaches.

If there's one positive from all this, It's certainly made for interesting debates