Neil Harris: News on striker Isaac Vassell:

Little bit on Isaac Vassell for those who asked yesterday. Cardiff wanted to get him fit enough to send out on loan last week, but he damaged his foot and suffered another setback.
Neil Harris expects him back in training this week or maybe next week.


Vassell is not in Neil Harris plans for the future and this is a new injury. Harris intended to loan Vassell out last week, but this happened.

...but estimates another 6 weeks to get him up to speed.
Incredibly frustrating for all concerned. Everyone wants him to have game time and he desperately needs it.
Hopefully he can get out somewhere in January for the back end of the season .




Neil Harris on Isaac Vassell:

“At one stage, we were looking to loan him out. He got back on the training pitch for a couple of weeks, then had a new injury a foot problem.”

“We’re hoping he’ll be training this week, but he won’t be back anytime soon. There’ll be a 4-6 week period to build him up.’

“If all goes well with Isaac we could be looking bay January to start a first team game.”

Vassell was injury prone when we signed him and had not played for nearly 18mths, I just can’t believe we signed him knowing his history.
How the hell was the transfer sanctioned.

Cue the verbals.He'll be loaned out in Jan for sure.

If a person is not medically capable of doing there job then they should be released from duties.
He needs to find a new career because his body is obvious not up to professional football.

On a seperate point whoever did his medical and signed off on his history should be sacked aswell

The club should never have signed him but you can't blame the lad. Don't feel cross with him. Sadly his career is finished and at best he'll ply his trade in the lower leagues but have doubts he will even be fit enough to do that.

More wasted money by crooked Neil Warnock

Vassell was injury prone when we signed him and had not played for nearly 18mths, I just can’t believe we signed him knowing his history.
How the hell was the transfer sanctioned.

warnock tracked him from the non league ,some work out some dont ,sadly this seems to have been a bust

If a person is not medically capable of doing there job then they should be released from duties.
He needs to find a new career because his body is obvious not up to professional football.

On a seperate point whoever did his medical and signed off on his history should be sacked aswell

you can not see into the future... was fit for 6 months prior to signing and got a different injury to what he had previously had at Birmingham...

More wasted money by crooked Neil Warnock

or maybe he just voted for brexit...

More wasted money by crooked Neil Warnock

or maybe he just voted for brexit...

Eh?

If a person is not medically capable of doing there job then they should be released from duties.
He needs to find a new career because his body is obvious not up to professional football.

On a seperate point whoever did his medical and signed off on his history should be sacked aswell

you can not see into the future... was fit for 6 months prior to signing and got a different injury to what he had previously had at Birmingham...

I tend to take this view and I also recall most, if not all, being in raptures when he scored an unlikely winner on his debut in a tight season opening game

If a person is not medically capable of doing there job then they should be released from duties.
He needs to find a new career because his body is obvious not up to professional football.

On a seperate point whoever did his medical and signed off on his history should be sacked aswell

you can not see into the future... was fit for 6 months prior to signing and got a different injury to what he had previously had at Birmingham...

I tend to take this view and I also recall most, if not all, being in raptures when he scored an unlikely winner on his debut in a tight season opening game

i dont buy the injury prone bit tbh...he might be now..
but the boy had 3 pretty full seasons prior to getting that first injury at Birmingham. he then got a second different back to back injury... which he recovered from enough to feature in 14 games for them before coming here ...
i understand some being frustrated but some of the comments are bonkers...

If a person is not medically capable of doing there job then they should be released from duties.
He needs to find a new career because his body is obvious not up to professional football.

On a seperate point whoever did his medical and signed off on his history should be sacked aswell

you can not see into the future... was fit for 6 months prior to signing and got a different injury to what he had previously had at Birmingham...

I tend to take this view and I also recall most, if not all, being in raptures when he scored an unlikely winner on his debut in a tight season opening game

i dont buy the injury prone bit tbh...he might be now..
but the boy had 3 pretty full seasons prior to getting that first injury at Birmingham. he then got a second different back to back injury... which he recovered from enough to feature in 14 games for them before coming here ...
i understand some being frustrated but some of the comments are bonkers...

Clearly some have never had a serious illness or injury that necessitated them taking a lengthy time off from work whilst expecting their employers to keep open their jobs for when they return...

Vassell and City signed the contract in good faith and bad luck sometimes happens. The nature and history of his injuries appear to show no one could reasonably have foreseen the sequence of events after he signed and that is part and parcel of being a professional player with a valid contract

If a person is not medically capable of doing there job then they should be released from duties.
He needs to find a new career because his body is obvious not up to professional football.

On a seperate point whoever did his medical and signed off on his history should be sacked aswell

you can not see into the future... was fit for 6 months prior to signing and got a different injury to what he had previously had at Birmingham...

I tend to take this view and I also recall most, if not all, being in raptures when he scored an unlikely winner on his debut in a tight season opening game

i dont buy the injury prone bit tbh...he might be now..
but the boy had 3 pretty full seasons prior to getting that first injury at Birmingham. he then got a second different back to back injury... which he recovered from enough to feature in 14 games for them before coming here ...
i understand some being frustrated but some of the comments are bonkers...

Clearly some have never had a serious illness or injury that necessitated them taking a lengthy time off from work whilst expecting their employers to keep open their jobs for when they return...

Vassell and City signed the contract in good faith and bad luck sometimes happens. The nature and history of his injuries appear to show no one could reasonably have foreseen the sequence of events after he signed and that is part and parcel of being a professional player with a valid contract

Rubbish

Medicals are to identify and predict any former or future issues. They don't just say " well he's fit to play today so sign him it will all be ok " Many medicals are failed and refused due to the high probability of future injuries.
Many players have failed over the years and missed out on moves purely down to high probability of them not being able to play and fulfill the contract.
We seem to sign sicknotes hoping they work out and normally end up costing us a fortune.
Just a few recent ones :

Jazz richards
Isaac Vassell
Callum Patterson had major injury and didnt play for months before coming here, luckily he's one that ended up being good.

We seem to take risks when others won't and normally comes back to bite us.

Isaacs vassell has played two games since the 2018 season. We are now coming to the end of 2020 and he hasn't played a competitive game for us since August 2019, it also looks like he will be out well into 2021 if we even see him at all.

You think being fit for two games in 2.5 seasons is acceptable ?

We have become a bit of a retirement and top your pension up club over the past few years.

Coupled with how NH wants his fullbacks to play will only sort the wheat out from the chaff. We will need 4 very fit full backs in the future who can cover the ground and be prepared to play back to back matches quickly.

NH will get the players he wants and in doing so will lower the squads average which will also help the squad.

Interesting times ahead.

SVEN

Vassell like the floaters with the one hit wonder "float on" and thats what vassell should do.

More wasted money by crooked Neil Warnock

Don’t forget the transfer committee.

They all should have seen that the player who passes a medical after playing for Birmingham no issues for months would get totally different injuries to previous and not play much.

They should have listened to my mate who is a Birmingham fan who said. Gutted about this one. He’s class on his day. You got a steal there pal.

More wasted money by crooked Neil Warnock

Don’t forget the transfer committee.

They all should have seen that the player who passes a medical after playing for Birmingham no issues for months would get totally different injuries to previous and not play much.

They should have listened to my mate who is a Birmingham fan who said. Gutted about this one. He’s class on his day. You got a steal there pal.

What do you mean no issues

He was injured when he signed and had only started two games in three years before that mixed with a few sub appearances towards the end of the season.
That means he's been fit enough to start two games in four seasons and only appearing 25 times in that time altogether , it looks like he will be making it five seasons this year aswell.

I'm annoyed about the wasted money but no-one has a crystal ball. Isaac Vassell probably wouldn't get a looking now any way as we have good options up front so it's not really worth worrying about him.

Little bit on Isaac Vassell for those who asked yesterday. Cardiff wanted to get him fit enough to send out on loan last week, but he damaged his foot and suffered another setback.
Neil Harris expects him back in training this week or maybe next week.


Vassell is not in Neil Harris plans for the future

...but estimates another 6 weeks to get him up to speed.
Incredibly frustrating for all concerned. Everyone wants him to have game time and he desperately needs it.
Hopefully he can get out somewhere in January for the back end of the season .

Get him off our wages Asap.

More wasted money by crooked Neil Warnock

Wow

Ned the Committee has to fully sanction this especially knowing he was injury prone everyone of them including Warnock should take the blame.

Little bit on Isaac Vassell for those who asked yesterday. Cardiff wanted to get him fit enough to send out on loan last week, but he damaged his foot and suffered another setback.
Neil Harris expects him back in training this week or maybe next week.

What do the club mean by "damaged his foot?" It says above that it will take him 4-6 weeks to recover

Unless he has been a victim of a shark attack or dropped a 4 stone weight on his foot why does he need so long to recover?

Little bit on Isaac Vassell for those who asked yesterday. Cardiff wanted to get him fit enough to send out on loan last week, but he damaged his foot and suffered another setback.
Neil Harris expects him back in training this week or maybe next week.

What do the club mean by "damaged his foot?" It says above that it will take him 4-6 weeks to recover

Unless he has been a victim of a shark attack or dropped a 4 stone weight on his foot why does he need so long to recover?

I agree Tony, apparently it’s a new injury .

That’s all I know.

More wasted money by crooked Neil Warnock

Don’t forget the transfer committee.

They all should have seen that the player who passes a medical after playing for Birmingham no issues for months would get totally different injuries to previous and not play much.

They should have listened to my mate who is a Birmingham fan who said. Gutted about this one. He’s class on his day. You got a steal there pal.

What do you mean no issues

He was injured when he signed and had only started two games in three years before that mixed with a few sub appearances towards the end of the season.
That means he's been fit enough to start two games in four seasons and only appearing 25 times in that time altogether , it looks like he will be making it five seasons this year aswell.

not chosen to start but featuring does not mean injured... no matter how big the hammer you have to fit the star shape into the circle...its just silly

There are two schools of thought about Vassel. One group to which I belong believed that Vassel was a potentially disastrous signing as his injury record was appalling in the last two or three years and he had all the look of a semi permanent sick note who we should not touch with a ten foot barge pole. We made our views clear at the time of his signing and subsequent events have vindicated us completely we were right and anyone else was wrong.

The other group thought he was a good signing as he had made a few subsistute appearances in the last three seasons and perhaps he wasn't the crock the other group was saying he was. You were wrong and completely wrong and only the most pig headed idiot won't admit he was wrong but there seem to be quite a few on here. Obviously no one could predict that he would drop a tea cup on his foot and be out for the next six months. The people who authorised this transfer deserve shooting.

[quote="Crayfish"]There are two schools of thought about Vassel. One group to which I belong believed that Vassel was a potentially disastrous signing as his injury record was appalling in the last two or three years and he had all the look of a semi permanent sick note who we should not touch with a ten foot barge pole. We made our views clear at the time of his signing and subsequent events have vindicated us completely we were right and anyone else was wrong.

The other group thought he was a good signing as he had made a few subsistute appearances in the last three seasons and perhaps he wasn't the crock the other group was saying he was. You were wrong and completely wrong and only the most pig headed idiot won't admit he was wrong but there seem to be quite a few on here. Obviously no one could predict that he would drop a tea cup on his foot and be out for the next six months. The people who authorised this transfer deserve shooting.[/quote



no mate you can not predict the future and seen similar happen lots of times.... being reasonable is not wrong..VVD looks like he is out for the season, what if he were to have a 2nd separate injury during pre season which keeps him our a further 3 months and then klopp decides to ease him back ?
nobody but nobody would consider him injury prone after taking part in 14 games and no fan would not want to sign him because he is injury prone...

its unreasonable....

Terrible injury record, we took a chance and it didnt pay off. Fair enough if it was a similar situation to Patterson who was injured when we signed as we only paid 300k for him - fairly cheap gamble. But didn't we pay 3mill for vassel? Pretty big money to be risking on a player. Been a terrible signing so far. Hopefully gets over his current injuries as he offers something different to our current strikers. Unfortunately it seems he is one of those players who picks up injuries putting their boots on.

Still hope to see him in a city shirt this season

no mate you can not predict the future and seen similar happen lots of times.... being reasonable is not wrong..VVD looks like he is out for the season, what if he were to have a 2nd separate injury during pre season which keeps him our a further 3 months and then klopp decides to ease him back ?
nobody but nobody would consider him injury prone after taking part in 14 games and no fan would not want to sign him because he is injury prone...

its unreasonable....[/quote]

VVD almost had his leg broken after being chopped down in a bad tackle. If he was picking up long term injuries just running around I don't think people would want to sign him - for big money anyway. Theres a difference between being injury prone and physically being put out of action due bad tackles etc.

I'm not sure when his contract expires but it would have seemed prudent given his injury problems to have given him a maximum 2 year contract with the promise of an extension should he prove his continued fitness. If that offer would not have been acceptable by the player or his representatives to secure his services, we should have left well alone.

There are two schools of thought about Vassel. One group to which I belong believed that Vassel was a potentially disastrous signing as his injury record was appalling in the last two or three years and he had all the look of a semi permanent sick note who we should not touch with a ten foot barge pole. We made our views clear at the time of his signing and subsequent events have vindicated us completely we were right and anyone else was wrong.

The other group thought he was a good signing as he had made a few subsistute appearances in the last three seasons and perhaps he wasn't the crock the other group was saying he was. You were wrong and completely wrong and only the most pig headed idiot won't admit he was wrong but there seem to be quite a few on here. Obviously no one could predict that he would drop a tea cup on his foot and be out for the next six months. The people who authorised this transfer deserve shooting.[/quote



no mate you can not predict the future and seen similar happen lots of times.... being reasonable is not wrong..VVD looks like he is out for the season, what if he were to have a 2nd separate injury during pre season which keeps him our a further 3 months and then klopp decides to ease him back ?
nobody but nobody would consider him injury prone after taking part in 14 games and no fan would not want to sign him because he is injury prone...

its unreasonable....

VVD was injured by an horrendous tackle!

Up to that point he was outstanding at the back for Liverpool and to my knowledge had only missed a few games.

Hopefully he comes back without any problems and resumes his career.

There is absolutely no comparison with IV who had a long history prior to signing for us! How the hell we didn’t put a clause in his contract about further injuries is a complete mystery. As pointed out if he wouldn’t sign a contract with such a clause that would immediately have sent one a message he was worried about his body.

In such a case we should have walked away.

I don’t think he has ever been injured in a tackle more like suffered from injuries from running etc.

Let the club learn from it and not sign any player who has a history of injuries. Thus avoiding having a player on the books collecting money for no reason.

If he worked in the real world any company would have got shot before now and certainly he would not have had top quality medical advice to boot.