How Likely is a Second (Covid ) Wave?

Made it out of Caerphilly before the lockdown. Phew.

A scientific report published yesterday and updated today contains the following in it's Executive Summary:

'Evidence presented in this paper indicates that the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 pandemic as an event in the UK is essentially complete, with ongoing and anticipated challenges well within the capacity of a normalised NHS to cope. The virus infection has passed through the bulk of the population as a result of wholly natural processes and evidence indicates that in the UK and other heavily infected European countries the spread of the virus has been all but halted by a substantial reduction in the susceptible population. This has occurred because the level of infection required to introduce enough immunity into the population to reduce the reproduction number (R) permanently below 1 occurred at markedly lower infection rates and loss of life than had been initially anticipated. The evidence presented in this paper indicates that there should be no expectation of a large scale ‘second wave’ with smaller localised outbreaks when the virus contacts pockets of previously uninfected populations.

Current mass testing using the PCR test is inappropriate in its current form. If it is to continue, then results and reporting should be refined to meet the gold standard of testing methodology to give clinicians improved information so that they are able to make appropriate clinical decisions. Positive tests should be confirmed by testing a second sample and all positive tests should be reported along with the Cycle Threshold (Ct) obtained during the test to aid assessment of a patient’s viral load.

It is recommended that a greater focus be placed on evidence-based medicine rather than highly sensitive theoretical modelling based on assumptions and unknowns....' ( we know about the unreliability of the current tests and the large number of 'false positives' which skew the results ).

Here is the link to the full report (this website has lots of readable scientific largely fact-based stuff on the subject):

https://lockdownsceptics.org/addressing ... cond-wave/

And on the question of 'cause of death', here is a link to the guidance/instruction note for medics issued some time back:

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i.e. autopsies not necessary, just take the easy option and no questions asked. Of Covid or with Covid?

It's definitely on the agenda.

Have to justify continuing social restrictions and government control over all aspects of our daily live.

they emptied hospital beds and wards country wide and threw millions on chucking up field hospitals everywhere ..which they did not use and are now de commissioning ? while still talking up a second wave... yet many are neither thinking they are not being told the truth...or up in arms over the decommissioning

they emptied hospital beds and wards country wide and threw millions on chucking up field hospitals everywhere ..which they did not use and are now de commissioning ? while still talking up a second wave... yet many are neither thinking they are not being told the truth...or up in arms over the decommissioning

Cowed, brainwashed, unthinking or something like that. But you have to admire the job the Govt psyops has done on the population. You have something called the Downing St 'Nudge Unit' (not sure that's the official name) plus the formal channels through the BBC etc. There is even a British Army unit which specialises in this stuff (off top of head 77th Brigade) plus I suppose all kinds of other stuff they definitely don't reveal.

Stockholm University published a table on Covid death probabilities/risk for a full range of ages.

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Does make one think.

This is a question for drakeford as his expert yesterday was telling us all that 2nd wave is on it's way but meanwhile they are closing extra beds that was supposed to help nhs! Can only suspect wont be needed but not in their interest to tell joe public this..

This is a question for drakeford as his expert yesterday was telling us all that 2nd wave is on it's way but meanwhile they are closing extra beds that was supposed to help nhs! Can only suspect wont be needed but not in their interest to tell joe public this..

Just doing what they are told.
Expert???

This is a question for drakeford as his expert yesterday was telling us all that 2nd wave is on it's way but meanwhile they are closing extra beds that was supposed to help nhs! Can only suspect wont be needed but not in their interest to tell joe public this..

Just doing what they are told.
Expert???

Expert was from public health Wales the people drakeford takes advice from to make his decisions....

Last edited by pembroke allan on Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It's as likely as the first wave which in all honestly didn't happen

In my humble opinion...

Chances of an actual second wave of covid are zero.

Chances of a second lockdown based on false flag propaganda... 100%

Question is are enough people prepared to stand up for their liberty or will the masses continue to meekly obey?

In my humble opinion...

Chances of an actual second wave of covid are zero.

Chances of a second lockdown based on false flag propaganda... 100%

Question is are enough people prepared to stand up for their liberty or will the masses continue to meekly obey?

i did not agree with the first lock down but went along with the restrictions ..im out and protesting next time..

Question for Mr R. Coat (or anyone else that feels like chiming in)

I've recently come to a worrying thought I'm trying to work out.

Here in the UK the opposition to the Tories was so poor that we saw record victory in the last election giving the government an opportunity to do as they choose pretty much without restriction.

In the US it seems the democrats are doing almost everything in their power to throw the election. There is a massive potential for a red wave super majority in Novemeber.

Could it be that we are slowly being coerced across the west into one party systems to pave the way towards a true globalist agenda. Put such an abhorent opposition together that the the only sensible choice appears to be the saviour we are desperate for - so the are Boris and Trump trojan horses? Is this the perfect Hegalian dialectic?

I accept I'm pushing the tin foil hat of my avatar to its maximum here, but the insanity of the left seems far to coordinated and extreme to almost be believable.

Would be keen to here your thoughts on this?

In my humble opinion...

Chances of an actual second wave of covid are zero.

Chances of a second lockdown based on false flag propaganda... 100%

Question is are enough people prepared to stand up for their liberty or will the masses continue to meekly obey?

i did not agree with the first lock down but went along with the restrictions ..im out and protesting next time..

My thoughts exactly

You can't have a 2nd wave if you keep the 1st one quietly going herd immunity is the plan

In my humble opinion...

Chances of an actual second wave of covid are zero.

Chances of a second lockdown based on false flag propaganda... 100%

Question is are enough people prepared to stand up for their liberty or will the masses continue to meekly obey?

True mate unfortunately.
Caerphilly locked down over an enormous 0.05% infection rate. Many of whom are showing absolutely no symptoms whatsoever. As I’ve said before, protect the old and unwell but otherwise let everyone get on wit’s their lives ffs.

Question for Mr R. Coat (or anyone else that feels like chiming in)

I've recently come to a worrying thought I'm trying to work out.

Here in the UK the opposition to the Tories was so poor that we saw record victory in the last election giving the government an opportunity to do as they choose pretty much without restriction.

In the US it seems the democrats are doing almost everything in their power to throw the election. There is a massive potential for a red wave super majority in Novemeber.

Could it be that we are slowly being coerced across the west into one party systems to pave the way towards a true globalist agenda. Put such an abhorent opposition together that the the only sensible choice appears to be the saviour we are desperate for - so the are Boris and Trump trojan horses? Is this the perfect Hegalian dialectic?

I accept I'm pushing the tin foil hat of my avatar to its maximum here, but the insanity of the left seems far to coordinated and extreme to almost be believable.

Would be keen to here your thoughts on this?

i will chime in... and ive not got a hat on..
but on the topic of opposition parties..... where are they ?
not everyone is on board with this restriction stuff , not even all scientists.. but opposition politicians everywhere are ?

A large proportion of people i know totally ignored the first lockdown.I presume they will do the same again with the second.

they emptied hospital beds and wards country wide and threw millions on chucking up field hospitals everywhere ..which they did not use and are now de commissioning ? while still talking up a second wave... yet many are neither thinking they are not being told the truth...or up in arms over the decommissioning

The goverment has turned the masses into people who only moan at other people protesting,we have a nation of namby pambies,who are blinkered and will sleep walk,whilst their freedoms are being eroded away
Over 160m on field hospitals that were never used,and as you point out are now being de commissioned, the 2nd wave was always coming,as it's part of the bigger picture,in case people decide enough is enough,and started to wake up to the reality, that this virus has put us into recession worldwide, without the death figures to back up the lockdown of the world
The scaremongering was beginning to wear thin for a lot of people,so the "2nd wave" and infection rates are now being thrown around,in order to start the ramping up of restrictions on us once again,today Caerphilly,tomorrow,who knows
I noticed somewhere on here a post where somebody said they would join a protest if one was organised, well I'm in too!
As my mother is in the vulnerable category, I did what was asked 1st time around,for the reason of keeping her safe.
This time around I'm doing my normal shit,and getting on with my life,we are here a short time,and I ain't spending what years I have left being dictated to as where I can and cannot go,or what I can and cannot, for me enough,is enough.

Question for Mr R. Coat (or anyone else that feels like chiming in)

I've recently come to a worrying thought I'm trying to work out.

Here in the UK the opposition to the Tories was so poor that we saw record victory in the last election giving the government an opportunity to do as they choose pretty much without restriction.

In the US it seems the democrats are doing almost everything in their power to throw the election. There is a massive potential for a red wave super majority in Novemeber.

Could it be that we are slowly being coerced across the west into one party systems to pave the way towards a true globalist agenda. Put such an abhorent opposition together that the the only sensible choice appears to be the saviour we are desperate for - so the are Boris and Trump trojan horses? Is this the perfect Hegalian dialectic?

I accept I'm pushing the tin foil hat of my avatar to its maximum here, but the insanity of the left seems far to coordinated and extreme to almost be believable.

Would be keen to here your thoughts on this?

i will chime in... and ive not got a hat on..
but on the topic of opposition parties..... where are they ?
not everyone is on board with this restriction stuff , not even all scientists.. but opposition politicians everywhere are ?

They are with the rest of the population,who will March for a cause such as BLM, while blind to what's happening to their freedoms in front of their eyes!! Time to stand up for our rights and freedoms is upon us,if we don't, well we all know the answer to what will be.as bob male said"get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!" I have watched with interest the protests against restrictions growingaround the world,and am surprised a big one hasn't taken place yet in the uk

Question for Mr R. Coat (or anyone else that feels like chiming in)

I've recently come to a worrying thought I'm trying to work out.

Here in the UK the opposition to the Tories was so poor that we saw record victory in the last election giving the government an opportunity to do as they choose pretty much without restriction.

In the US it seems the democrats are doing almost everything in their power to throw the election. There is a massive potential for a red wave super majority in Novemeber.

Could it be that we are slowly being coerced across the west into one party systems to pave the way towards a true globalist agenda. Put such an abhorent opposition together that the the only sensible choice appears to be the saviour we are desperate for - so the are Boris and Trump trojan horses? Is this the perfect Hegalian dialectic?

I accept I'm pushing the tin foil hat of my avatar to its maximum here, but the insanity of the left seems far to coordinated and extreme to almost be believable.

Would be keen to here your thoughts on this?

i will chime in... and ive not got a hat on..
but on the topic of opposition parties..... where are they ?
not everyone is on board with this restriction stuff , not even all scientists.. but opposition politicians everywhere are ?

Absolutely agree. Nobody is challenging the decisions being made which are affecting our daily lives.

No challenge from the opposition parties, from the media, or from the majority of the public who are happy just to be dictated to. Any sign of opposition or questioning of the approach is either denied publicity or written off as "cranks" and "anti vaxxers" as if anybody opposing what's going on is a danger to society.

In my humble opinion...

Chances of an actual second wave of covid are zero.

Chances of a second lockdown based on false flag propaganda... 100%

Question is are enough people prepared to stand up for their liberty or will the masses continue to meekly obey?

True mate unfortunately.
Caerphilly locked down over an enormous 0.05% infection rate. Many of whom are showing absolutely no symptoms whatsoever. As I’ve said before, protect the old and unwell but otherwise let everyone get on wit’s their lives ffs.

That's what they should have done and do now, in a way it's what's happening most old or sick people are scared and not going to pubs and on holiday, I would imagine a fair percentage of 16 to 30 year olds have had it and built up some herd immunity in that age group.

What about folk who have lost loved ones to Covid then in Wales, do they think, " ah it can't happen to me " and carry on normally ? Doubt it !!


PS. Suedehead !! What a read

https://youtu.be/5FIrm567bGg

What about folk who have lost loved ones to Covid then in Wales, do they think, " ah it can't happen to me " and carry on normally ? Doubt it !!


PS. Suedehead !! What a read

It's not just those who have lost someone who are not carrying on as normal? Lots of people been scared to death so wont even go to shops! Yet I take very vulnerable people to hospitals and they say been carrying on as normal but take precautions despite being able to shield, I'm very vulnerable to corvid but carry on as normal... will say there is more and more comments from people sayi need to get on with things otherwise there will long term damage to peoples mental health as well as increased deaths from people to scared to go to hospital for operations or having consultations delayed until God knows when as hospitals effectively closed to all but essential treatment...

If you want to watch a superb presentation of statistical analysis on the Covid 19 watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIF ... e=youtu.be

It's a bit long at 37 mins approx. but covers a huge amount. It is excellent.

What the man says is as roughly follows:

1. Mortality curve is normal curve for this type of virus
2. Excess deaths Europe-wide has been statistically low.
3. Excess number of seasonal deaths early in 2020 influenced by respiratory death rates in summer/flu -season in prior year i.e. the Covid spike caught people who would normally have died in that period so they were 'easily harvested.' Overall though the total numbers weren't hugely significant in statistical terms.
4. Mandatory masks and lockdowns have had no effective impact.
5. Current 'cases' focus is not an epidemic but a 'casedemic' which is a function of the increased testing with all the faults which the NYT article and others covered.
6. Should now be a reversion to normal seasonal respitory mortality curve.
7.The risk of a winter spring 20/21 spike would come through the attempts to stop normal evolution and acquisition and 'herd immunity' through the safe season through the summer which will have put the risky at greater risk. Who'd have thunk it?

If you want to watch a superb presentation of statistical analysis on the Covid 19 watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIF ... e=youtu.be

It's a bit long at 37 mins approx. but covers a huge amount. It is excellent.

What the man says is as roughly follows:

1. Mortality curve is normal curve for this type of virus
2. Excess deaths Europe-wide has been statistically low.
3. Excess number of seasonal deaths early in 2020 influenced by respiratory death rates in summer/flu -season in prior year i.e. the Covid spike caught people who would normally have died in that period so they were 'easily harvested.' Overall though the total numbers weren't hugely significant in statistical terms.
4. Mandatory masks and lockdowns have had no effective impact.
5. Current 'cases' focus is not an epidemic but a 'casedemic' which is a function of the increased testing with all the faults which the NYT article and others covered.
6. Should now be a reversion to normal seasonal respitory mortality curve.
7.The risk of a winter spring 20/21 spike would come through the attempts to stop normal evolution and acquisition and 'herd immunity' through the safe season through the summer which will have put the risky at greater risk. Who'd have thunk it?

No chance of anything mentioned there being given any credence by the arseholes running the UK.

Much happier listening to Shagger Ferguson, a man who's success rate in predictions of doom would mean that in any other profession he'd have been out on his backside years ago or blind man Cummings and the rest of his SAGE cronies.

What about folk who have lost loved ones to Covid then in Wales, do they think, " ah it can't happen to me " and carry on normally ? Doubt it !!


PS. Suedehead !! What a read

It's not just those who have lost someone who are not carrying on as normal? Lots of people been scared to death so wont even go to shops! Yet I take very vulnerable people to hospitals and they say been carrying on as normal but take precautions despite being able to shield, I'm very vulnerable to corvid but carry on as normal... will say there is more and more comments from people sayi need to get on with things otherwise there will long term damage to peoples mental health as well as increased deaths from people to scared to go to hospital for operations or having consultations delayed until God knows when as hospitals effectively closed to all but essential treatment...

Hmmm never mind, that wasn't what I was getting at.

What about folk who have lost loved ones to Covid then in Wales, do they think, " ah it can't happen to me " and carry on normally ? Doubt it !!


PS. Suedehead !! What a read

It's not just those who have lost someone who are not carrying on as normal? Lots of people been scared to death so wont even go to shops! Yet I take very vulnerable people to hospitals and they say been carrying on as normal but take precautions despite being able to shield, I'm very vulnerable to corvid but carry on as normal... will say there is more and more comments from people sayi need to get on with things otherwise there will long term damage to peoples mental health as well as increased deaths from people to scared to go to hospital for operations or having consultations delayed until God knows when as hospitals effectively closed to all but essential treatment...

Hmmm never mind, that wasn't what I was getting at.

Ok

What about folk who have lost loved ones to Covid then in Wales, do they think, " ah it can't happen to me " and carry on normally ? Doubt it !!


PS. Suedehead !! What a read

It's not just those who have lost someone who are not carrying on as normal? Lots of people been scared to death so wont even go to shops! Yet I take very vulnerable people to hospitals and they say been carrying on as normal but take precautions despite being able to shield, I'm very vulnerable to corvid but carry on as normal... will say there is more and more comments from people sayi need to get on with things otherwise there will long term damage to peoples mental health as well as increased deaths from people to scared to go to hospital for operations or having consultations delayed until God knows when as hospitals effectively closed to all but essential treatment...

correct and there are plenty who have lost loved ones through not having adequate medical attention who did not have a VIP death.... and thousands more to come, there was a doctor on the radio earlier saying his mum had been diagnosed of cancer 3 months TOO LATE... its criminal and any scientists or doctors speaking out...and there are many , are being swept under the carpet.. and kept out of MSM..

What about folk who have lost loved ones to Covid then in Wales, do they think, " ah it can't happen to me " and carry on normally ? Doubt it !!


PS. Suedehead !! What a read

It's not just those who have lost someone who are not carrying on as normal? Lots of people been scared to death so wont even go to shops! Yet I take very vulnerable people to hospitals and they say been carrying on as normal but take precautions despite being able to shield, I'm very vulnerable to corvid but carry on as normal... will say there is more and more comments from people sayi need to get on with things otherwise there will long term damage to peoples mental health as well as increased deaths from people to scared to go to hospital for operations or having consultations delayed until God knows when as hospitals effectively closed to all but essential treatment...

correct and there are plenty who have lost loved ones through not having adequate medical attention who did not have a VIP death.... and thousands more to come, there was a doctor on the radio earlier saying his mum had been diagnosed of cancer 3 months TOO LATE... its criminal and any scientists or doctors speaking out...and there are many , are being swept under the carpet.. and kept out of MSM..

Opening up Doctors surgeries and hospitals is the responsibility of the NHS, while they are not inundated with Covid patients why haven't they opened up, it's not the government saying stop treatment is it.

What about folk who have lost loved ones to Covid then in Wales, do they think, " ah it can't happen to me " and carry on normally ? Doubt it !!


PS. Suedehead !! What a read

It's not just those who have lost someone who are not carrying on as normal? Lots of people been scared to death so wont even go to shops! Yet I take very vulnerable people to hospitals and they say been carrying on as normal but take precautions despite being able to shield, I'm very vulnerable to corvid but carry on as normal... will say there is more and more comments from people sayi need to get on with things otherwise there will long term damage to peoples mental health as well as increased deaths from people to scared to go to hospital for operations or having consultations delayed until God knows when as hospitals effectively closed to all but essential treatment...

correct and there are plenty who have lost loved ones through not having adequate medical attention who did not have a VIP death.... and thousands more to come, there was a doctor on the radio earlier saying his mum had been diagnosed of cancer 3 months TOO LATE... its criminal and any scientists or doctors speaking out...and there are many , are being swept under the carpet.. and kept out of MSM..

Opening up Doctors surgeries and hospitals is the responsibility of the NHS, while they are not inundated with Covid patients why haven't they opened up, it's not the government saying stop treatment is it.

opening up ? ffs they should never have been restricted...the NHS is there to save us....not for us to save it ..
and its a bit late now if your dead or missed your diagnosis..
as for inundated...when ?