What a load of nonsense Dalman talks.... no income streams

From Twitter Carl Curtis:


What a load of nonsense Dalman talks.... no income streams!!! What about tv money, sponsorship, advertising, parachute payments, season tickets sold (bought by fans who know they cannot attend) ....need I go on!!!!

What a world we live in, the mega rich at the higher echelons of the football world berate the effects of a pandemic. Go and see the real effect in a town where the financial threat is people losing jobs and homes, businesses closing but not through mismanagement of labour costs

Businesses on the high street and factories are not closing because they pay their staff £1,000’s per week, they close because people stop buying the product for a manner of reasons. If football got its act together with sensible wages to start with then maybe .... well you know!



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Definitely got a point..haven't even released the new kits which would make revenue

Well said Carl

Makes a fair point but also everything hes mentioned except parachute payments are either suspended or reduced because of no fans in stadiums? would you pay advertising with only a very limited audience (city tv) ... tv money has been reduced also... yes got income but bet it is far less than it normally is to keep club running...and we are one of the better placed clubs compared with many in championship?

Newport do not get parachute payments he is talking about the whole industry that is struggling not just city

we are one season away from a car crash.no parachute money next season

Quite clearly talking in general about all EFL clubs. How many have parachute payments? If sponsorship is done on long term contracts or season to season how many clubs have their sponsors signed up for next year? How many companies can’t afford sponsorship now due to them having no income? How many teams are selling large amounts of season tickets? Times are hard for a lot of people. If we have 3500 that’s three quarters at least of our revenue missing. Season tickets are widely known to be used to cover preseason expenses when no other money is coming in.

I think the guy who is involved in the game might know more about what our team and other teams are going through.

He doesn’t give any answers though. Is there an answer? If Govt handouts aren’t then a lot of clubs are going to be really struggling I think.

Makes me glad we are able to sign players still. I saw a thread about it the other day.

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we are one season away from a car crash.no parachute money next season

A lot of teams are getting that car crash this year.

Carl Curtis the supposed life long City fan what a bloody joke!

Who dragged that part timer up?

We’ve been through thick and thin but to dig that idiot up beggars belief.

Dalman was talking about football in general (EFL) not CCFC in particular.
But yet another stick to hit Tan with (for some).

The attempted socialism of football is doing my head in, it will never happen. Its the most capitalistic adventure out there. Its always been about the money at the top and surviving at the bottom.

If you find yourself subject of a sugar daddy ride the wave. Most of those guys can lose millions and it won't affect their portfolio.

Vinny tried to buy his way into the top table but doesn't have enough money to keep on throwing good money at bad.

The premier league is not a national competition, its an international rich mans/countries promotion tool. They don't know where Bury, Wigan or Notts county are, they don't care. They know where Paris, Munich, Manchester, London, Liverpool, Barcelona & Madrid are though because that's where all those clubs want to be in an international elite competition.

Dalman and his ilk are paid handsomely to manage a medium size business, no one is going to help them. There will never be a wage cap, because the next wannabe Vinny, Shahid Khan (Fulham) or Fosun group will just say F**k you, I am buying our way to the top table and will do it however I want. There were many ways to get around salary caps in the 60's as there is for FFP now and the football authorities don't turn their noses up to external money.

There will be more Wigans over the next season, far better businesses are going through than a second tier football club. It probably needs to happen.

Covid is a bully, it only affects the weak both medically and financially. The top tier are still talking about telephone number salaries and I don't see Tesco's bailing out smaller local shops, its an opportunity for the strong.

I see Dalman never paid Wigan what we thought was a value fee 7 month ago, we got Keiffer Moor at over half price...Dog eat dog

Carl Curtis the supposed life long City fan what a bloody joke!

Who dragged that part timer up?

We’ve been through thick and thin but to dig that idiot up beggars belief.

Karl, there is no need for personal insults here and I am shocked at you.

In fact Carl has supported City through thick and thin.

The attempted socialism of football is doing my head in, it will never happen. Its the most capitalistic adventure out there. Its always been about the money at the top and surviving at the bottom.

If you find yourself subject of a sugar daddy ride the wave. Most of those guys can lose millions and it won't affect their portfolio.

Vinny tried to buy his way into the top table but doesn't have enough money to keep on throwing good money at bad.

The premier league is not a national competition, its an international rich mans/countries promotion tool. They don't know where Bury, Wigan or Notts county are, they don't care. They know where Paris, Munich, Manchester, London, Liverpool, Barcelona & Madrid are though because that's where all those clubs want to be in an international elite competition.

Dalman and his ilk are paid handsomely to manage a medium size business, no one is going to help them. There will never be a wage cap, because the next wannabe Vinny, Shahid Khan (Fulham) or Fosun group will just say F**k you, I am buying our way to the top table and will do it however I want. There were many ways to get around salary caps in the 60's as there is for FFP now and the football authorities don't turn their noses up to external money.

There will be more Wigans over the next season, far better businesses are going through than a second tier football club. It probably needs to happen.

Covid is a bully, it only affects the weak both medically and financially. The top tier are still talking about telephone number salaries and I don't see Tesco's bailing out smaller local shops, its an opportunity for the strong.

I see Dalman never paid Wigan what we thought was a value fee 7 month ago, we got Keiffer Moor at over half price...Dog eat dog

I nearly agreed with everything here but for Covid only affects the weak.

For me football should be the Socialist ideal. A system where the controlling authority can step in and sort out the problems we are going through now. Well we chose Capitalism and that basically means the boys with the bucks pulls the strings.

For me I believe while there are still enough smaller clubs breeding the young potential for the bigger clubs to come and exploit then not much will change. If Covid has the dreaded affect of taking out quite a few smaller clubs, it seems its going to, then that a potential big loss for the bigger boys. Things might have to change.

For me the problem with Capitalism is that the bigger get greedy and take without putting anything back in. That needs to change for it survive. Trouble is its going to get a lot worse before the reality hits in.

Carl Curtis the supposed life long City fan what a bloody joke!

Who dragged that part timer up?

We’ve been through thick and thin but to dig that idiot up beggars belief.

Karl, there is no need for personal insults here and I am shocked at you.

In fact Carl has supported City through thick and thin.

Carl is as much a Cardiff fan as anyone else I have met while following the Bluebirds and that must be in the thousand.

As to Dalman, even before the Virus City had already said there was no
Money available, even Dalman said it himself months before.

As to Dalman, even before the Virus City had already said there was no
Money available, even Dalman said it himself months before.

He pulled a blinder then didn’t he? Rather than say we have money available and paying over the odds he says no money available and we get an international striker for half of what we were gonna pay in January, over a third of what we paid for Madine and a sixth of what we paid for Cornelius.

In fact same price as Peter Thorne. If Keifer Moore is anywhere near as good happy days.

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

Aye and we all know who wanted them signed!!! Oh dear, have I upset the Warnock crew, boo hoo.


Agree with nojac ' just another stick to beat Mr Tan with "

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

Totally agree with Paul Williams but this goes back a long way.

Gavin Gordon 750k.

Difference with our current owner is the money he spends is his money not loaned from the bank.

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

Totally agree with Paul Williams but this goes back a long way.

Gavin Gordon 750k.

Difference with our current owner is the money he spends is his money not loaned from the bank.

You know that for sure Neil?

I do wonder the point of this post.

Dalman was talking about a subject he has a lot more knowledge of than the vast majority (not everyone Annis) as he actually runs a football club. He is talking generally about the difficulty facing football clubs around the country.

I don’t see why it’s turning into stick about our transfer policy.

If we go back to our not too distant past when our income streams were exhausted we then had no income and still had to pay wages etc. This led to us going to the High Court multiple times. That’s potentially what other clubs are facing. Thankfully we have an owner with deep pockets so we won’t have those issues now.

Imagine we still had Ridsdale and we were living month to month? We would now be facing great difficulty which many clubs are and explains why Wigan have gone into admin.

I do wonder the point of this post.

Dalman was talking about a subject he has a lot more knowledge of than the vast majority (not everyone Annis) as he actually runs a football club. He is talking generally about the difficulty facing football clubs around the country.

I don’t see why it’s turning into stick about our transfer policy.

If we go back to our not too distant past when our income streams were exhausted we then had no income and still had to pay wages etc. This led to us going to the High Court multiple times. That’s potentially what other clubs are facing. Thankfully we have an owner with deep pockets so we won’t have those issues now.

Imagine we still had Ridsdale and we were living month to month? We would now be facing great difficulty which many clubs are and explains why Wigan have gone into admin.

So good an answer you posted twice.Totally agree.I've just re-read the Dalman piece and I have to say I'm struggling to see what Carls on about.

Don’t get why you use someone else to post, when you clearly feel the same way put it in your own words. Don’t get why you need some random blokes comment on it to make a post. Just find it really negative considering you’re essentially critiquing our chairman when he hasn’t done anything wrong at all, he’s clearly speaking as part of the EFL as a whole, not Cardiff.

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

Totally agree with Paul Williams but this goes back a long way.

Gavin Gordon 750k.

Difference with our current owner is the money he spends is his money not loaned from the bank.

It was not £750,000 for Gavin Gordon.

And Tan gets all his money back via the parachute payments and has had over 70% back and wasted so much money on players and court cases which he has lost everyone of them, another fact.

Plus £millions wasted on the rebrand.

And Tan gets all his money back via the parachute payments and has had over 70% back and wasted so much money on players and court cases which he has lost everyone of them, another fact.

I'm a bit muddled by what you are saying Annis. Exactly what has Tan taken 70% of? Is it the total amount of PP which is £75m over two years which would equal £52.5m (70% of £75m)

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

Totally agree with Paul Williams but this goes back a long way.

Gavin Gordon 750k.

Difference with our current owner is the money he spends is his money not loaned from the bank.

You know that for sure Neil?

Yip it’s in the accounts he has transferred a lot of debt from his own money. Some of the debt is his own doing but some is legacy. There have been no interest charges. He also doesn’t take a wage from the club.

I do wonder the point of this post.

Dalman was talking about a subject he has a lot more knowledge of than the vast majority (not everyone Annis) as he actually runs a football club. He is talking generally about the difficulty facing football clubs around the country.

I don’t see why it’s turning into stick about our transfer policy.

If we go back to our not too distant past when our income streams were exhausted we then had no income and still had to pay wages etc. This led to us going to the High Court multiple times. That’s potentially what other clubs are facing. Thankfully we have an owner with deep pockets so we won’t have those issues now.

Imagine we still had Ridsdale and we were living month to month? We would now be facing great difficulty which many clubs are and explains why Wigan have gone into admin.

So good an answer you posted twice.Totally agree.I've just re-read the Dalman piece and I have to say I'm struggling to see what Carls on about.

Sshhhh that’s not the agenda here.

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

Totally agree with Paul Williams but this goes back a long way.

Gavin Gordon 750k.

Difference with our current owner is the money he spends is his money not loaned from the bank.

It was not £750,000 for Gavin Gordon.

And Tan gets all his money back via the parachute payments and has had over 70% back and wasted so much money on players and court cases which he has lost everyone of them, another fact.

Plus £millions wasted on the rebrand.

550k rising to 750k on appearances.

600k for David Hughes.

A lot of teams makes bad signings. Sam isn’t to blame for those and Tan isn’t to blame for trusting Malky, Ole and Warnock with money.

Ok he was wrong to trust Ole.

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Paul Williams:

Excellent comments weve have parachute payments when other clubs haven't perhaps our shite signings has something to do with the downfall of the clubs funds

Totally agree with Paul Williams but this goes back a long way.

Gavin Gordon 750k.

Difference with our current owner is the money he spends is his money not loaned from the bank.

It was not £750,000 for Gavin Gordon.

And Tan gets all his money back via the parachute payments and has had over 70% back and wasted so much money on players and court cases which he has lost everyone of them, another fact.

Plus £millions wasted on the rebrand.

550k rising to 750k on appearances.

600k for David Hughes.

A lot of teams makes bad signings. Sam isn’t to blame for those and Tan isn’t to blame for trusting Malky, Ole and Warnock with money.

Ok he was wrong to trust Ole.

Neil the buck tops with the owner and in these cases its Tan.

I'd be interested to see how Malky got away with it if he did any wrong though.

Makes a fair point but also everything hes mentioned except parachute payments are either suspended or reduced because of no fans in stadiums? would you pay advertising with only a very limited audience (city tv) ... tv money has been reduced also... yes got income but bet it is far less than it normally is to keep club running...and we are one of the better placed clubs compared with many in championship?

Absolutely, Dalman is correct all of these funding streams will have either disappeared or been significantly reduced apart from the parachute payments.

I’m not sure of the purpose of the original post (although I have my suspicions) but it’s clearly not researched and doesn’t remotely represent the true problems all clubs currently face.