Zohore/Harris

Since the departure of Chopra/Bothroyd we have never been able to replace them. Zohore as far as I am concerned look a posibility to step in there shoes. Unfortunately it never happened.

Anyone think Harris could make him do the step up if he was still with us?

Since the departure of Chopra/Bothroyd we have never been able to replace them. Zohore as far as I am concerned look a posibility to step in there shoes. Unfortunately it never happened.

Anyone think Harris could make him do the step up if he was still with us?

At time shows hes capable other times looks like a donkey but he as improved under Harris and maybe if in championship he will progress but certainly cant see it if get promoted..

Since the departure of Chopra/Bothroyd we have never been able to replace them. Zohore as far as I am concerned look a posibility to step in there shoes. Unfortunately it never happened.

Anyone think Harris could make him do the step up if he was still with us?

At time shows hes capable other times looks like a donkey but he as improved under Harris and maybe if in championship he will progress but certainly cant see it if get promoted..

Uh he is with WBA.

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

Since the departure of Chopra/Bothroyd we have never been able to replace them. Zohore as far as I am concerned look a posibility to step in there shoes. Unfortunately it never happened.

Anyone think Harris could make him do the step up if he was still with us?

At time shows hes capable other times looks like a donkey but he as improved under Harris and maybe if in championship he will progress but certainly cant see it if get promoted..

Uh he is with WBA.

Sorry blonde moment!

But now got right person yes Harris would have got more out of him as style play is better for our forwards unlike NW style..

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

Here he is again Mr. I don’t like a player so I can’t admit to them being good

I feel a bit sorry for Glatzel.

He's clearly not got the physical presence to be a striker in the UK.

The defenders here are too robust for him, he very rarely wins physical battles and I can't see that changing.

I think if a team from Europe came in for him, he'd jump at the chance to go - possibly even back to Germany.

Would prefer us to give Danny Ward a new contract and let Glatzel go if someone made a bid - but we would also need another striker due to Ward's injury record and it's no secret we have hardly any money to spend.

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

Here he is again Mr. I don’t like a player so I can’t admit to them being good

Why would I admit to a player being good that I don't like/rate ?
I like many others believe he is poor. I will support him and hope he does well and proves me wrong but I'm not just going to say he's a good player because he plays for Cardiff when he blatantly is not.

Would you worry about him if he was in a opposing team against you ? No

Is it a problem when he is not named in a starting 11 for us ? No

Do we rely on his goals ? No

Would you bet on him scoring the goals to get you promoted ? No

Would anybody on here now knowing what he is like even buy him if they were manager ? Doubt it

He has done nothing and shown very little improvement in his time here, he even gets dropped as striker for Patterson FFS , that shows he is not of the quality needed because any decent striker would keep his place in this squad easily.

I feel a bit sorry for Glatzel.

He's clearly not got the physical presence to be a striker in the UK.

The defenders here are too robust for him, he very rarely wins physical battles and I can't see that changing.

I think if a team from Europe came in for him, he'd jump at the chance to go - possibly even back to Germany.

Would prefer us to give Danny Ward a new contract and let Glatzel go if someone made a bid - but we would also need another striker due to Ward's injury record and it's no secret we have hardly any money to spend.

Couldn't agree more

I feel a bit sorry for Glatzel.

He's clearly not got the physical presence to be a striker in the UK.

The defenders here are too robust for him, he very rarely wins physical battles and I can't see that changing.

I think if a team from Europe came in for him, he'd jump at the chance to go - possibly even back to Germany.

Would prefer us to give Danny Ward a new contract and let Glatzel go if someone made a bid - but we would also need another striker due to Ward's injury record and it's no secret we have hardly any money to spend.

agree, he does try but when he makes an effort to be more physical like on Tuesday night it just resulted in giving free kicks to Derby. like many parts of his game its not instinctive and you can not teach that...

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

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Before lockdown 5 in 21. After 3 in 6. Is that Improvement yes. That's all I said. And glad he has, and hope it continues.

Even an article straight from Harris' mouth how well he's doing in training and that his all round game had improved.

Thomasblue. Football manager 2014 Xbox champion.

Neil Harris. Professional football manager.

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I feel a bit sorry for Glatzel.

He's clearly not got the physical presence to be a striker in the UK.

The defenders here are too robust for him, he very rarely wins physical battles and I can't see that changing.

I think if a team from Europe came in for him, he'd jump at the chance to go - possibly even back to Germany.

Would prefer us to give Danny Ward a new contract and let Glatzel go if someone made a bid - but we would also need another striker due to Ward's injury record and it's no secret we have hardly any money to spend.

Couldn't agree more

Glatzel has struggled with the physicality but if anyone can’t ses how much he has improved lately then they are either those hoping he fails or they’re not watching the same games.

He has to improve in the air but some of his ball retention, passing and finishing shows he certainly has a chance of making it. If we have any chance of play offs it will be down to Glatzel’s goals.

As for Ward; I like him but he doesn’t contribute much when he starts and looks much better as an impact sub. That said, I think he deserves a new contract.

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

.
Before lockdown 5 in 21. After 3 in 6. Is that Improvement yes. That's all I said. And glad he has, and hope it continues.

Even an article straight from Harris' mouth how well he's doing in training and that his all round game had improved.

Thomasblue. Football manager 2014 Xbox champion.

Neil Harris. Professional football manager.

Why the abuse i asked you a simple question ?

At least you tried to answer it unlike others on here but then you just revert to childish behaviour because you are trying to make a point you cannot back up with any meaningfull reason

Harris is hardly going to say he's rubbish is he lets be honest. If he was doing that well how come he keeps getting dropped ?

Regarding his goal stats he has scored 7 championship goals in 28 games which puts him at a goal every 4 games. 7 of those games and 3 goals were as a sub playing just under 1700 minutes. He also has not been credited with any assists for team mates.
He has a pass success rate of 38% and has on average 0.8 shots per game.
Is that really good enough for a £5mill + striker?

Compare that to Danny ward also mentioned on here who has scored 7 in 26 appearances 19 of those as a sub . He has only played under 900 minutes. He has a pass success rate of 60% and averages 1.6 shots per game.

Lee tomlin playing just behind them in 30 games also has 8 goals but 9 assists

Patterson 36 games , 19 as sub has scored 7 goals and he's not even a recognised striker.

By the way I'm more of a PlayStation guy

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

.
Before lockdown 5 in 21. After 3 in 6. Is that Improvement yes. That's all I said. And glad he has, and hope it continues.

Even an article straight from Harris' mouth how well he's doing in training and that his all round game had improved.

Thomasblue. Football manager 2014 Xbox champion.

Neil Harris. Professional football manager.

Why the abuse i asked you a simple question ?

At least you tried to answer it unlike others on here but then you just revert to childish behaviour because you are trying to make a point you cannot back up with any meaningfull reason

Harris is hardly going to say he's rubbish is he lets be honest. If he was doing that well how come he keeps getting dropped ?

Regarding his goal stats he has scored 7 championship goals in 28 games which puts him at a goal every 4 games. 7 of those games and 3 goals were as a sub playing just under 1700 minutes. He also has not been credited with any assists for team mates.
He has a pass success rate of 38% and has on average 0.8 shots per game.
Is that really good enough for a £5mill + striker?

Compare that to Danny ward also mentioned on here who has scored 7 in 26 appearances 19 of those as a sub . He has only played under 900 minutes. He has a pass success rate of 60% and averages 1.6 shots per game.

Lee tomlin playing just behind them in 30 games also has 8 goals but 9 assists

Patterson 36 games , 19 as sub has scored 7 goals and he's not even a recognised striker.

By the way I'm more of a PlayStation guy

What abuse? I know others have been up your back but chill the f out son.

I stated facts. You stated opinion.

In your opinion he's not worth 5m. Others he may be. I didn't state mine as you are assuming!

I simply said he had improved lately. As Phil has said if you can't see or even acknowledge that I don't know what you've been watching.

Nope don’t think he could you can’t blame any of our managers. The fact he didn’t step up was down to Zohore himself. He had the talent hell yeah reminded me of Jerome and had his talent as well just didn’t have the dedication. One frustrating player who had the chance to step up at WBA as well but didn’t.
Or maybe we were all wrong and he just had one purple patch with not as much talent as we thought.

The fact that Zohore is at WBA who have better players and more technical players under an attacking coach like Slaven Bilic than he did at Cardiff but still cant score more than 3 goals for them or even get in their starting 11 ahead of 31 year old Hal Robson Kanu tells me that Harris probably wouldnt have got much moreout of him tbh. I do however think Harris has done a good job in making Glatzel slightly better. Not sure if Glatzel will be the striker to get us 15 goals or more a season but i do think he's improved under Harris and looks a tad better than he did under Warnock.

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

Here he is again Mr. I don’t like a player so I can’t admit to them being good

That just about sums Thomasblue up for me as he writes a player off he dont like. It's the same with a few players and also the manager which I find totally wrong.
Stop playing FIFA Thomas and get behind the players

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

Here he is again Mr. I don’t like a player so I can’t admit to them being good

That just about sums Thomasblue up for me as he writes a player off he dont like. It's the same with a few players and also the manager which I find totally wrong.
Stop playing FIFA Thomas and get behind the players

I've told you in the past, I suppkrt every player but I just don't support them blindly like a lot on here.

I never rated etheridge and pointed out his weaknesses saying Smithies was the better keeper, most disagreed, who is number 1 now ?

Glatzel I dont rate but hope he proves me wrong, I doubt it as he's shown nothing to convince me he's good enough.

Who else do I not rate ?

Harris ? He has inherited a good squad which should have top 6 as a minimum. So at the moment he is just doing the minimum required to be successful. Congratations to him hes doing better than 90% of fans expected.

Nelson I think is a good player but not ready at this level yet. He's been thrown in and makes big mistakes that cost us goals. The last 2 or 3 games show that fact in my opinion

I speak as i find, this is a forum which is for debate.

I think Glatzel is shit, you dont. Instead of just posting snidey little comments why dont you actually contribute now and again and say why YOU think differently.

We've already seen an improvement with Glatzel. Let's just hope that continues

What improvement is that ?

.
Before lockdown 5 in 21. After 3 in 6. Is that Improvement yes. That's all I said. And glad he has, and hope it continues.

Even an article straight from Harris' mouth how well he's doing in training and that his all round game had improved.

Thomasblue. Football manager 2014 Xbox champion.

Neil Harris. Professional football manager.

Why the abuse i asked you a simple question ?

At least you tried to answer it unlike others on here but then you just revert to childish behaviour because you are trying to make a point you cannot back up with any meaningfull reason

Harris is hardly going to say he's rubbish is he lets be honest. If he was doing that well how come he keeps getting dropped ?

Regarding his goal stats he has scored 7 championship goals in 28 games which puts him at a goal every 4 games. 7 of those games and 3 goals were as a sub playing just under 1700 minutes. He also has not been credited with any assists for team mates.
He has a pass success rate of 38% and has on average 0.8 shots per game.
Is that really good enough for a £5mill + striker?

Compare that to Danny ward also mentioned on here who has scored 7 in 26 appearances 19 of those as a sub . He has only played under 900 minutes. He has a pass success rate of 60% and averages 1.6 shots per game.

Lee tomlin playing just behind them in 30 games also has 8 goals but 9 assists

Patterson 36 games , 19 as sub has scored 7 goals and he's not even a recognised striker.

By the way I'm more of a PlayStation guy

What abuse? I know others have been up your back but chill the f out son.

I stated facts. You stated opinion.

In your opinion he's not worth 5m. Others he may be. I didn't state mine as you are assuming!

I simply said he had improved lately. As Phil has said if you can't see or even acknowledge that I don't know what you've been watching.

Calling me a xbox champion is just a childish little comment.

I've been watching Glatzel play poorly which the stats back up. Including yours which was slightly wrong

Just my opinion

Glatzel has improved drastically since Harris has taken over and his goals were very pivotal to beating teams like Leeds and Preston.

No Zohore wouldn’t be able to find the motivation to improve himself. He’s in a good team with a decent manager and looks the same player as he was when he left us

I will tell you why I think Glatzel is a good player. He is a clever player and has a footballing brain who makes good intelligent runs as demonstrated by his run for Tomlins goal v Derby. He has improved since the start of the season without doubt and I'd put it down to confidence and settling down in the area.
Given this I'd say he will be even better next season if we are in the championship with a season behind him.

Zohore on the other hand will see his promising career go down the pan as he is mentally weak and usually injured imo

I will tell you why I think Glatzel is a good player. He is a clever player and has a footballing brain who makes good intelligent runs as demonstrated by his run for Tomlins goal v Derby. He has improved since the start of the season without doubt and I'd put it down to confidence and settling down in the area.
Given this I'd say he will be even better next season if we are in the championship with a season behind him.

Zohore on the other hand will see his promising career go down the pan as he is mentally weak and usually injured imo

I agree with Zahore

What if we are in the premier league ?
If we are in the championship we will see how his career pans out and revisit in a years time

I will tell you why I think Glatzel is a good player. He is a clever player and has a footballing brain who makes good intelligent runs as demonstrated by his run for Tomlins goal v Derby. He has improved since the start of the season without doubt and I'd put it down to confidence and settling down in the area.
Given this I'd say he will be even better next season if we are in the championship with a season behind him.

Zohore on the other hand will see his promising career go down the pan as he is mentally weak and usually injured imo

I agree with Zahore

What if we are in the premier league ?
If we are in the championship we will see how his career pans out and revisit in a years time

If we get promoted then Glatzel wont be first choice but I think he would be part of the squad as he is still developing and looks a clever player

I desperately want Glatzel to be the real deal like any Cardiff fan, but i have eyes and about 40 years watching professional footballers.
He has a few problems. He is 6'4" and plays for Cardiff City. Its a long tome since we were a pretty footballing team, Malky, Slade and Warnock says we are a physical team. Plus a midfield quartet of Pack, Valuks,Ralls and Bacuna doesn't dispel that.
So refs let a bit go whoever we play as we are considered to dish it out. Morrison gets assaulted most games and nothing
Poor old Glatzel get mullered every game then goes missing with little help from the refs.

Question: How many goals (not including pens) has he scored as a starter ?

I just don't see how he suddenly puts a stone on and turns into Kenwyne Jones.

IMO He is a sub at this stage in his Championship career. I agree with the other posters I bet if he could get a moveto a less physical league he and the club would jump at the chance.

I believe even a £3 million more Zohore was at a totally different level.

I desperately want Glatzel to be the real deal like any Cardiff fan, but i have eyes and about 40 years watching professional footballers.
He has a few problems. He is 6'4" and plays for Cardiff City. Its a long tome since we were a pretty footballing team, Malky, Slade and Warnock says we are a physical team. Plus a midfield quartet of Pack, Valuks,Ralls and Bacuna doesn't dispel that.
So refs let a bit go whoever we play as we are considered to dish it out. Morrison gets assaulted most games and nothing
Poor old Glatzel get mullered every game then goes missing with little help from the refs.

Question: How many goals (not including pens) has he scored as a starter ?

I just don't see how he suddenly puts a stone on and turns into Kenwyne Jones.

IMO He is a sub at this stage in his Championship career. I agree with the other posters I bet if he could get a moveto a less physical league he and the club would jump at the chance.

I believe even a £3 million more Zohore was at a totally different level.

Robert Glatzel stats :

7 goals
4 as a starter
3 as a substitute
1 penalty
No assists

I desperately want Glatzel to be the real deal like any Cardiff fan, but i have eyes and about 40 years watching professional footballers.
He has a few problems. He is 6'4" and plays for Cardiff City. Its a long tome since we were a pretty footballing team, Malky, Slade and Warnock says we are a physical team. Plus a midfield quartet of Pack, Valuks,Ralls and Bacuna doesn't dispel that.
So refs let a bit go whoever we play as we are considered to dish it out. Morrison gets assaulted most games and nothing
Poor old Glatzel get mullered every game then goes missing with little help from the refs.

Question: How many goals (not including pens) has he scored as a starter ?

I just don't see how he suddenly puts a stone on and turns into Kenwyne Jones.

IMO He is a sub at this stage in his Championship career. I agree with the other posters I bet if he could get a moveto a less physical league he and the club would jump at the chance.

I believe even a £3 million more Zohore was at a totally different level.

Robert Glatzel stats :

7 goals
4 as a starter
3 as a substitute
1 penalty
No assists

I'm no maths expert,but isn't that 8 goals then?
And I believe as we evolve our style of play,Glatzel will continue to improve, even the 2nd division in Germany, they play attractive football,why he was bought by Warnock baffled me at the time tbh
,seeing as we were a route one,lone striker side under him,he simply wasn't used to being a lone target man,nor was he ready for the bruising side of the game in this division. That side he may develop in time,but ffs there were people gave madine endless opportunities to break his duck,and he was used to British football same price,different return imo,5 million and no goals,or 5 million and 8 times more goals?
,and in a new country (alone at first too!) New league with no real time to adjust fully yet,as training isn't the same as playing! To call a player shit on those terms is a bit rich imho,but as you say,it's a forum and everyone has his opinion,I guess you might change your opinion if he fires the winning goal in play off final?,not that he is resdy for the prem by the way,past from 1 purple patch, WTF has zohore done since? Nada,sweet fanny Adams, and we got 8m for him? Wern't we the lucky ones

Glatzel is already and will continue to make a lot of our fans looklike idiots

One of the most talented players we have and I for one hope that we keep playing him with Tomlin behind him for the rest of this season and all of next as they link up well together.

Glatzel is already and will continue to make a lot of our fans looklike idiots

One of the most talented players we have and I for one hope that we keep playing him with Tomlin behind him for the rest of this season and all of next as they link up well together.

Were you not the guy who said Joe day should be our number 1 keeper last year ?
And you talk about looking stupid

I hope he proves me wrong but I doubt it will happen .

Glatzel is already and will continue to make a lot of our fans looklike idiots

One of the most talented players we have and I for one hope that we keep playing him with Tomlin behind him for the rest of this season and all of next as they link up well together.

ah yes the imaginary telepathic like link up play...there was the goal at Leeds months ago and thats it. in fact of the 15 goals these 2 have collectively scored they were both on the pitch at the same time for 3 of them .. that is less than Tomlin has scored after replacing Glatzel.