The people of Wales will decide

When the lockdown will end,Drakeford will be left behind playing catch up.
The man is beyond useless.

When the lockdown will end,Drakeford will be left behind playing catch up.
The man is beyond useless.

You mean there is a lockdown still in place? ? On my rounds today,it looked very much like a normal day, people out everywhere, traffic up a considerable amount, massive queues at burger king,b&q car park full,regardless of who is in power,as you say,the people seemed to have already decided?

When the lockdown will end,Drakeford will be left behind playing catch up.
The man is beyond useless.

You mean there is a lockdown still in place? ? On my rounds today,it looked very much like a normal day, people out everywhere, traffic up a considerable amount, massive queues at burger king,b&q car park full,regardless of who is in power,as you say,the people seemed to have already decided?

I think you're right bluesince62, defo more people out and traffic now, it is as though suddenly the feel good factor is returning, hopefully no second wave coming though.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

People are going on about the failings of the Tory government and how bad Boris is. These idiots have not got a clue and are only testing around 1000 people a day in Wales which is one of if not the lowest in Europe

Imagine the state we would be in now if Labour and Corbyn had won the election

Drakeford and welsh labour are a joke ,release a vague exit plan with no timeline ,no certainty for businesses who are struggling the longer it goes on ,we rely heavily on tourism and hospitality sectors which employ most of our workforce ,these businesses need certainty

Fully Agree...Snakeford & that Assembly shower of shit cost millions that could be better spent on Wales. Totally incompetent, out of step with reality...SCRAP THE ASSEMBLY

Abject failure. These second rate wannabees have been in charge since the late 90's. They have sole control of health and social care.

They have conveniently dropped the 9,000 tests a day pledge. Our Public Health Wales bloated quango chief exec on over £190,000 a year said she was not familiar with this target and had fever been made aware of it!?

Given Dr Cooper is helping run Drakeford's testing system this is incredulous and bordering on criminal negligence.

Essential PPE or the woeful lack of it is scandalous. Drakeford says his pandemic stockpile since 2016 failed to contain any protective gowns YET Vaughan Gething contradicted this saying they were available.

Such inconsistencies are common.

Complete waste of money being handled by a bunch of chancers.

Trying to get my self discharged from hospital in 2017 was absolutely chaotic. Trying to do it now would a nightmare I should imagine

When the lockdown will end,Drakeford will be left behind playing catch up.
The man is beyond useless.

You mean there is a lockdown still in place? ? On my rounds today,it looked very much like a normal day, people out everywhere, traffic up a considerable amount, massive queues at burger king,b&q car park full,regardless of who is in power,as you say,the people seemed to have already decided?

its hardly normal , I can list a few dozen things id like to do but cannot. and the point of easing the restrictions is that we have a bit more freedom...

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

Like the clowns in Edinburgh it’s all gimmicky shite, free scripts, no plastic bags, no smacking your kids when they’re naughty, absolutely nothing of substance like health education or infrastructure.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

Drakeford and welsh labour are a joke ,release a vague exit plan with no timeline ,no certainty for businesses who are struggling the longer it goes on ,we rely heavily on tourism and hospitality sectors which employ most of our workforce ,these businesses need certainty

100% agree with you Wez.

Drakeford has to be the most uninspiring leader in history

Scrap the assembly it’s as complete and utter waste of time

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

The fact you think the way to better fund the NHS is by making people stump up money just because they have the misfortune of having a chronic health condition or requiring a one off prescription is laughable.

They should be penalised so you can spend less time waiting to be discharged?

As another poster has said though what's your plan on upgrading tech systems in the Welsh NHS. Furthermore do you know where the Welsh NHS is in comparison to England when it comes to technology? Which systems are being used in England which aren't in Wales? How much would it cost to upgrade these systems? What effect would it have on efficiency in terms of discharge times?

The trouble with Welsh Valley people is that they vote Labour no matter what. They haven't got a clue just go along to polling Station and put the cross where it says Labour.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

You're right it's shambles, we are like a third World Country, but hey we get free paracetamol (costs £10 in various charges when it can be bought for 19p and save the budget a fortune).

Plus if you make something free the wastage is colossal, people won't stop prescriptions that they don't need because it doesn't cost them directly.

People are going on about the failings of the Tory government and how bad Boris is. These idiots have not got a clue and are only testing around 1000 people a day in Wales which is one of if not the lowest in Europe

Imagine the state we would be in now if Labour and Corbyn had won the election

We would be like Wales, a fecking shambles!

Have you seen the idiot being interviewed, my God it's embarrassing?

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

Like the clowns in Edinburgh it’s all gimmicky shite, free scripts, no plastic bags, no smacking your kids when they’re naughty, absolutely nothing of substance like health education or infrastructure.

Exactly anything to try and be different, but nothing worth changing!

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

It wouldn't cost £100 a year that the problem, and because it's free people will take medicines that they don't necessarily need, the wastage is unbelievable.

We probably won't agree because if people need them they are always going to vote for the free option, and let the taxpayers pay, and that's fine, people obviously look at issues through different perspectives.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

trouble is its not a hundred pounds..is nearly £600 million....so no I don't agree at a

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

It wouldn't cost £100 a year that the problem, and because it's free people will take medicines that they don't necessarily need, the wastage is unbelievable.

We probably won't agree because if people need them they are always going to vote for the free option, and let the taxpayers pay, and that's fine, people obviously look at issues through different perspectives.

Have you missed the line where I said £100 was a FICTIONAL AMOUNT AS I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE ACTUAL COST but you are indeed correct that it wouldn't cost £100. Because now I've looked up the cost of one year's worth of Atenolol and its £9.84 per year which is a significant saving for the taxpayer opposed to treatment for an inpatient in hospital which runs into many thousands. Do you know what Hypertension is? It's high blood pressure which if left untreated with medication causes heart attack and or Stroke among other things. Deadly and debilitating I'm sure you'll agree. I've only used Hypertension as an example as many in Wales have it. I should also mention that anyone who takes prescription medication they don't need is playing a dangerous game and I personally don't know anyone that daft. Everyone pays some form of tax therefore we are all taxpayers.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

trouble is its not a hundred pounds..is nearly £600 million....so no I don't agree at a

563 million was the figure I found at NHS WALES and this year's budget is £8,186302.00 so over 8 billion. It's still cheaper than hospital admission. And about 90% of all prescriptions were free to kids, OAP'S, benefit claimants and pregnant women.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

trouble is its not a hundred pounds..is nearly £600 million....so no I don't agree at a

563 million was the figure I found at NHS WALES and this year's budget is £8,186302.00 so over 8 billion. It's still cheaper than hospital admission. And about 90% of all prescriptions were free to kids, OAP'S, benefit claimants and pregnant women.

yes but not all people on meds require hospital treatment at all let alone have strokes.....in fact the vast majority are prescribed on a temporary basis...

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

trouble is its not a hundred pounds..is nearly £600 million....so no I don't agree at a

563 million was the figure I found at NHS WALES and this year's budget is £8,186302.00 so over 8 billion. It's still cheaper than hospital admission. And about 90% of all prescriptions were free to kids, OAP'S, benefit claimants and pregnant women.

yes but not all people on meds require hospital treatment at all let alone have strokes.....in fact the vast majority are prescribed on a temporary basis...

Quite, but the fact remains that IF those that have to take them long term or even in the short term are denied them through having to pay and being unwilling to do so or being unable to pay then the cost of hospital treatment and ongoing care SHOULD/WHEN IT BE NEEDED is still higher than the cost of long term prescriptions (prevention better than cure AGAIN). The Welsh public like it and that's democracy for you. And as I've explained more than once I was using Stroke as a single example, there are other ailments available.

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

trouble is its not a hundred pounds..is nearly £600 million....so no I don't agree at a

563 million was the figure I found at NHS WALES and this year's budget is £8,186302.00 so over 8 billion. It's still cheaper than hospital admission. And about 90% of all prescriptions were free to kids, OAP'S, benefit claimants and pregnant women.

yes but not all people on meds require hospital treatment at all let alone have strokes.....in fact the vast majority are prescribed on a temporary basis...

Quite, but the fact remains that IF those that have to take them long term or even in the short term are denied them through having to pay and being unwilling to do so or being unable to pay then the cost of hospital treatment and ongoing care SHOULD/WHEN IT BE NEEDED is still higher than the cost of long term prescriptions (prevention better than cure AGAIN). The Welsh public like it and that's democracy for you. And as I've explained more than once I was using Stroke as a single example, there are other ailments available.

people were prescribed tablets and took them long before the WAG gimmick. accepting and acting on the medical advice is the whole point of visiting doctors surely ?
btw ive never once seen any doctor or politician claim free scripts is generally cost effective your post is a first..
anyway makes zero sense to me , every single election in my lifetime has had the NHS as a major issue.. its always nurses should be paid more, not doing enough opps, not enough beds, hospitals or certain items of equipment...and the answer has never been to promise free scripts to save money not from any party.. maybe Corbyn missed a trick here ?

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

trouble is its not a hundred pounds..is nearly £600 million....so no I don't agree at a

563 million was the figure I found at NHS WALES and this year's budget is £8,186302.00 so over 8 billion. It's still cheaper than hospital admission. And about 90% of all prescriptions were free to kids, OAP'S, benefit claimants and pregnant women.

yes but not all people on meds require hospital treatment at all let alone have strokes.....in fact the vast majority are prescribed on a temporary basis...

Quite, but the fact remains that IF those that have to take them long term or even in the short term are denied them through having to pay and being unwilling to do so or being unable to pay then the cost of hospital treatment and ongoing care SHOULD/WHEN IT BE NEEDED is still higher than the cost of long term prescriptions (prevention better than cure AGAIN). The Welsh public like it and that's democracy for you. And as I've explained more than once I was using Stroke as a single example, there are other ailments available.

people were prescribed tablets and took them long before the WAG gimmick. accepting and acting on the medical advice is the whole point of visiting doctors surely ?
btw ive never once seen any doctor or politician claim free scripts is generally cost effective your post is a first..
anyway makes zero sense to me , every single election in my lifetime has had the NHS as a major issue.. its always nurses should be paid more, not doing enough opps, not enough beds, hospitals or certain items of equipment...and the answer has never been to promise free scripts to save money not from any party.. maybe Corbyn missed a trick here ?

Yes people were taking prescription tablets before the WAG gimmick as you put it. Well done for pointing out the obvious.
Yes accepting and acting on medical advice is the point of visiting a doctor, I've not said different so what point are you trying to make?, Where have I mentioned "cost effective" you used that phrase. I said treating people where possible with prescription meds, free or not is cheaper for prevention purposes than being treated in hospital where they'd get free prescription drugs anyway but with the added expense of inpatient care. Yes the NHS is always a topic at every election because it's always under funded possibly to he tune of £30 million at present. Where have I said the NHS under funding would be fixed with free prescriptions? Can you name a politician that has?
In England 90% of prescriptions are free anyway. Wales, Scotland and NI have it for free. If Those countries scrapped free scripts tonight 90% would still be free. Lastly, Corbyn pledged to give free scripts to NHS England though what his relevance is now is beyond me.

When the lockdown will end,Drakeford will be left behind playing catch up.
The man is beyond useless.

You mean there is a lockdown still in place? ? On my rounds today,it looked very much like a normal day, people out everywhere, traffic up a considerable amount, massive queues at burger king,b&q car park full,regardless of who is in power,as you say,the people seemed to have already decided?

its hardly normal , I can list a few dozen things id like to do but cannot. and the point of easing the restrictions is that we have a bit more freedom...

My point was the amount of traffic and pedestrians,was a lot heavier than previously seen on my rounds,so to me it looked a normal day,what they were allowed to be doing wasn't what I said?and as of yet,we haven't eased restrictions here in Wales yet, so queues of cars,all day long stretching 20 deep at burger king is what,essential travel? I'm all for relaxing the lockdown,as for many (in my view) it seems to have already been happening, or do you believe a trip to BK should be allowed, because it's food?

The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.

So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.

you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..

No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.

It wouldn't cost £100 a year that the problem, and because it's free people will take medicines that they don't necessarily need, the wastage is unbelievable.

We probably won't agree because if people need them they are always going to vote for the free option, and let the taxpayers pay, and that's fine, people obviously look at issues through different perspectives.

Have you missed the line where I said £100 was a FICTIONAL AMOUNT AS I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE ACTUAL COST but you are indeed correct that it wouldn't cost £100. Because now I've looked up the cost of one year's worth of Atenolol and its £9.84 per year which is a significant saving for the taxpayer opposed to treatment for an inpatient in hospital which runs into many thousands. Do you know what Hypertension is? It's high blood pressure which if left untreated with medication causes heart attack and or Stroke among other things. Deadly and debilitating I'm sure you'll agree. I've only used Hypertension as an example as many in Wales have it. I should also mention that anyone who takes prescription medication they don't need is playing a dangerous game and I personally don't know anyone that daft. Everyone pays some form of tax therefore we are all taxpayers.

Do you know what Hypertension yes since I was about ten

Atennolol basic cost to the NHS is £9.49 per month, but it's not as effective as many others which are prescribed and cost up to £968 per month. When you calculate a cost of a drug, its not the basic cost the NHS would pay, you have to see doctors and pharmacists have to be be paid, the cost of free prescriptions for all fly up, and the wastage is unbelievable.

http://gmmmg.nhs.uk/docs/cost_comparison_charts.pdf

I'm not going to change your mind, from your perspective you will not want to pay for your free prescriptions because it's of benefit to you which is fine