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“ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 12:40 pm

UK now officially has the 2nd worse death toll from the virus in the world :cry: :cry:

Many argued that UK was doing right on a soft lockdown

Many did not see a problem in how life continued with many continuing going out etc etc

ITV:

UK Now way above average and looking to be the worst in the world not including USA when hopefully all this ends.




Other countries advised the UK weeks in advance and it was ignored by the UK Govt including many Uk citizens totally ignoring what was going on in the other countries.


UK needed to have a proper lockdown.


The blame lies with the UK Govt and many of the citizens not using common sense :cry:
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Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 1:01 pm

Scotland are yet to add their figures to the above total for the same week reported today.

We still have 4-5 days more days figs to come in next week to take us up to Weds 29th April - when care/homes were first reported on the daily press conference .

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 2:15 pm

We are the most overcrowded country in Europe so that needs to be taken into consideration

Also, we need to see the figures in 12 months time to see which countries dealt with the crisis the best. At present our death figures are sadly amongst the worst, but because it appears we have had more cases than anyone else it’s possible we have more people with immunity so we won’t be affected as bad as other countries if there is a second wave

Only time will tell if we handled the crisis well or not

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 3:32 pm

The latest figures on European housing reveal that two out of three Spaniards live in a flat, while in countries such as Britain, Croatia and Norway, more than 80 percent of people live in houses. Spanish people live in over populated areas in the City’s and they are far more condensed than any other European countries which is mainly the reason why Covid-19 spread so fiercely in the first few weeks. Italy was also in a similar position with many areas of Italy over populated with the population living in flats.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 3:36 pm

its also the reason London and Birmingham are the 2 worst UK areas.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 4:37 pm

UK 10th most densely populated country in Europe 267 people per sq km
Italy 14th 192 people per sq km
Spain 34th 92 people per sq km
Land area Spain biggest then Italy then uk.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 4:46 pm

oohahhPaulMillar wrote:We are the most overcrowded country in Europe so that needs to be taken into consideration

Also, we need to see the figures in 12 months time to see which countries dealt with the crisis the best. At present our death figures are sadly amongst the worst, but because it appears we have had more cases than anyone else it’s possible we have more people with immunity so we won’t be affected as bad as other countries if there is a second wave

Only time will tell if we handled the crisis well or not

And we have the second highest population in Europe - almost 50% higher than Spain.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 4:54 pm

the UK has Europe's HIGHEST fatality count as data suggests the TRUE number of victims could be at least 40,000


Data counting people who weren't tested is adding thousands of previously uncounted victims to death toll

Italy has so far recorded around 29,000 victims, and Spain and France have around 25,000 each

US has by far the largest death toll, with almost 70,000 victims, but this is diluted in an enormous population

UK's Office for National Statistics counts anyone with COVID-19 on death certificate, whether tested or not

It counted 29,710 deaths by April 24 in England and Wales. A further 2,612 in Scotland and Northern Ireland
Here’s how to help people impacted by Covid-19



By SAM BLANCHARD SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE

5 May 2020


Another 693 people were today confirmed to have died of COVID-19 in England, Scotland and Wales, taking the number of victims to 29,427 and making Britain the worst-hit nation in Europe.

And separate backdated figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show the figure appears to have already been higher than 32,000 by April 24 - 10 days ago.

That number is 42 per cent higher than the count announced by the Department of Health at the time, suggesting the current total could be higher than 40,000 - this would mean COVID-19 has killed more Britons in eight weeks than died over seven months during the Blitz bombings in World War Two.

Today's data confirms that more people have died of the coronavirus in the UK than in Italy, still considered to be the worst-hit country in Europe and had suffered 29,079 fatalities by this morning. Only the US has had more deaths than Britain - almost 70,000 - while there have been 25,600 in Spain and 25,200 in France.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 4:56 pm

JJ1927 wrote:
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:We are the most overcrowded country in Europe so that needs to be taken into consideration

Also, we need to see the figures in 12 months time to see which countries dealt with the crisis the best. At present our death figures are sadly amongst the worst, but because it appears we have had more cases than anyone else it’s possible we have more people with immunity so we won’t be affected as bad as other countries if there is a second wave

Only time will tell if we handled the crisis well or not

And we have the second highest population in Europe - almost 50% higher than Spain.



What ever way you try to twist figures, UK should be a lot less deaths if it had had a lockdown.

It is very very worrying about the Uk.

Germany 83mill
France 67 mill
UK 66mill
Italy 60mill
Spain 47mill

UK is two weeks behind on the virus.

An example Wales Population 3.1mill Over 1,400 deaths
Balearic Islands (mainly living in flats) 1.5mill 180 deaths


UK death toll is now higher than Italy and are two weeks at least behind, had the benefit of major advice and not much bigger in population, plus many more older people in Italy and Spain etc , so how do you answer this ?


WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE FACTS?


The latest figures on European housing reveal that two out of three Spaniards live in a flat, while in countries such as Britain, Croatia and Norway, more than 80 percent of people live in houses.


Spanish people live in over populated areas in the City’s and they are far more condensed than any other European countries which is mainly the reason why Covid-19 spread so fiercely in the first few weeks.

Italy was also in a similar position with many areas of Italy over populated with the population living in flats.





LOOK I WANT THE UK TO BE THE LEAST IN THE WORLD.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 5:16 pm

It’s my opinion it is very worrying in the UK and for those like the two posters on here think it’s not saddens me
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Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 5:17 pm

Deeply disturbing statistics that once again highlight the sheer negligence of this government. The excuse that every country is facing the same problems simply does not wash. We had advance notice from China and Italy but we acted too slowly and Johnson even trivialised the issue by carrying on shaking hands with whoever he liked. The right wing media will swing behind this government at all costs but when an enquiry is held it will be proven that they have blood on their hands. Shameful.
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Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 5:20 pm

EastleighBlue wrote:Deeply disturbing statistics that once again highlight the sheer negligence of this government. The excuse that every country is facing the same problems simply does not wash. We had advance notice from China and Italy but we acted too slowly and Johnson even trivialised the issue by carrying on shaking hands with whoever he liked. The right wing media will swing behind this government at all costs but when an enquiry is held it will be proven that they have blood on their hands. Shameful.



Sadly it’s the truth honesty on here is not allowed.

UK Govt have a lot to blame for and did not do a lockdown and what they did was to late .

Even though every day we get awful news of the virus and it continues to be high yet some are still in denial it’s happening .

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 5:40 pm

The problem with the figures between countries as they do not all use the same criteria to announce deaths.

The UK include all deaths from Hospitals, care homes and other areas.

Spain and Italy are Hospitals only

France are Hospitals and Care homes only.

If you add everything together I would expect both Italy and Spain to be about 15k above us in the death toll
We will catch up over the next 2 weeks and it will be roughly about the same even though we had different lockdown which will prove wether our lockdown was enough or other countries were not needed to be so harsh.
Time and the truth from other countries will tell the true story.

It is also far more accurate to record deaths per capita, as is done by Johns Hopkins University whose statistics today, per 100,000 population, put Belgium at the top (66) of the international table followed by Spain (53), Italy (46), the UK (40), and France (36) – with the United States much further down (19)

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 5:44 pm

This is my point we are smaller country than either Spain or Italy but with a higher density of population we should have locked down sooner and it should have been stricter .

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 5:53 pm

thomasblue wrote:The problem with the figures between countries as they do not all use the same criteria to announce deaths.

The UK include all deaths from Hospitals, care homes and other areas.

Spain and Italy are Hospitals only

France are Hospitals and Care homes only.

If you add everything together I would expect both Italy and Spain to be about 15k above us in the death toll
We will catch up over the next 2 weeks and it will be roughly about the same even though we had different lockdown which will prove wether our lockdown was enough or other countries were not needed to be so harsh.
Time and the truth from other countries will tell the true story.

It is also far more accurate to record deaths per capita, as is done by Johns Hopkins University whose statistics today, per 100,000 population, put Belgium at the top (66) of the international table followed by Spain (53), Italy (46), the UK (40), and France (36) – with the United States much further down (19)



Thomas,

I don’t know about Italy but 100% the Balearic Islands include care homes etc

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 6:20 pm

Deaths per population, look at Belgium




Germany 83mill
France 67 mill
UK 66mill
Italy 60mill
Spain 47mill

UK is at least two weeks behind on the virus.
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Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 6:33 pm

Belgium is the world's worst affected country when it comes to the coronavirus mortality rate.

That rate, unlike the total number of fatalities, is a measure of the number of deaths in relation to the size of population.

President Donald Trump pointed to a graph recently, displaying Belgium at the top and the US in seventh place, as a result of the number of deaths relative to population size.

What's different about Belgium?

Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases.

According to Belgium's latest official figures, out of 7,703 deaths, 53% have been in care homes....02/05/20 .

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 6:37 pm

What do people think should happen when this is all done and dusted and Covid has been beaten for now?

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 6:45 pm

These graphs are why you can't really take much notice of the death tole in countries.

I don't believe any of them other than maybe America . It wouldn't surprise me if we were over 40k deaths in reality but I also think others are keeping numbers down. I think you can add 20% to everybody's count, then around another 10k each for countries not counting care homes then you probably get closer to the real figure.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 6:55 pm

thomasblue wrote:These graphs are why you can't really take much notice of the death tole in countries.

I don't believe any of them other than maybe America . It wouldn't surprise me if we were over 40k deaths in reality but I also think others are keeping numbers down. I think you can add 20% to everybody's count, then around another 10k each for countries not counting care homes then you probably get closer to the real figure.
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Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 7:11 pm

wez1927 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:These graphs are why you can't really take much notice of the death tole in countries.

I don't believe any of them other than maybe America . It wouldn't surprise me if we were over 40k deaths in reality but I also think others are keeping numbers down. I think you can add 20% to everybody's count, then around another 10k each for countries not counting care homes then you probably get closer to the real figure.



my neibours aunt and my mates mum have both died in the last fortnight both with covid on DC...and both families completely disagree..and a poster on here has had similar....40k ?..its nowhere near..... thousands have died of other things because of the concentration on covid though..

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 7:36 pm

wez1927 wrote:Deaths per population, look at Belgium



100% BELGIUM is awful for a small country.

A question for you Wez, are you happy with how Boris and the Govt have handled the Virus etc?

I personally was a big Boris fan before the virus.







Germany 83mill
France 67 mill
UK 66mill
Italy 60mill
Spain 47mill

UK is at least two weeks behind on the virus.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 7:52 pm

dogfound wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:These graphs are why you can't really take much notice of the death tole in countries.

I don't believe any of them other than maybe America . It wouldn't surprise me if we were over 40k deaths in reality but I also think others are keeping numbers down. I think you can add 20% to everybody's count, then around another 10k each for countries not counting care homes then you probably get closer to the real figure.



my neibours aunt and my mates mum have both died in the last fortnight both with covid on DC...and both families completely disagree..and a poster on here has had similar....40k ?..its nowhere near..... thousands have died of other things because of the concentration on covid though..


There is a difference between died "With" and "died because" of.
I think the number of dies with Covid is probably high around 40k. The number who died because of it is probably in the hundreds
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Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 8:02 pm

thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:These graphs are why you can't really take much notice of the death tole in countries.

I don't believe any of them other than maybe America . It wouldn't surprise me if we were over 40k deaths in reality but I also think others are keeping numbers down. I think you can add 20% to everybody's count, then around another 10k each for countries not counting care homes then you probably get closer to the real figure.



my neibours aunt and my mates mum have both died in the last fortnight both with covid on DC...and both families completely disagree..and a poster on here has had similar....40k ?..its nowhere near..... thousands have died of other things because of the concentration on covid though..


There is a difference between died "With" and "died because" of.
I think the number of dies with Covid is probably high around 40k. The number who died because of it is probably in the hundreds



the daily figure is accurate regarding ..died WITH covid. but doesn't mean died of..
the higher ONS figure includes suspected covid virus .. which seems to be anyone who is old that dies.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 8:40 pm

wez1927 wrote:Deaths per population, look at Belgium


The problem is, we have a lot of people spread over a small area. The nature of this virus is that countries with few people over bigger areas shouldnt be effected so badly.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 9:06 pm

There seem to be many deaths attributed to coronavirus where it's been put on the death certificate without any test having taken place either before or after death but just where the doctor completing the certificate has "assumed" that Covid 19 was present.

How can those figures be in any way said to be accurate?

Are there any figures available for how many people did not have the virus when they were admitted to hospital but caught it in hospital and then died?

So much conjecture and speculation it's hard to know what to believe with the figures being released every day.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 9:07 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Deaths per population, look at Belgium


The problem is, we have a lot of people spread over a small area. The nature of this virus is that countries with few people over bigger areas shouldnt be effected so badly.



Wez and Luke,


The latest figures on European housing reveal that two out of three Spaniards live in a flat, while in countries such as Britain, Croatia and Norway, more than 80 percent of people live in houses.


Spanish people live in over populated areas in the City’s and they are far more condensed than any other European countries which is mainly the reason why Covid-19 spread so fiercely in the first few weeks.

Italy was also in a similar position with many areas of Italy over populated with the population living in flats.




UK had nearly had 700 deaths today.

Italy and Spain’s populations are much older and live together and closer and are nearly 20 days ahead .


I am really really worried for the UK as. It does not seem to be under Control.

I also fear it might come bank in Spain & Italy if they relax anything near to how the UK are acting.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 9:08 pm

davids wrote:There seem to be many deaths attributed to coronavirus where it's been put on the death certificate without any test having taken place either before or after death but just where the doctor completing the certificate has "assumed" that Covid 19 was present.

How can those figures be in any way said to be accurate?

Are there any figures available for how many people did not have the virus when they were admitted to hospital but caught it in hospital and then died?

So much conjecture and speculation it's hard to know what to believe with the figures being released every day.



David,


I personally believe that All countries are putting the virus down to many of these deaths when many might have died anyway .

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 9:23 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
davids wrote:There seem to be many deaths attributed to coronavirus where it's been put on the death certificate without any test having taken place either before or after death but just where the doctor completing the certificate has "assumed" that Covid 19 was present.

How can those figures be in any way said to be accurate?

Are there any figures available for how many people did not have the virus when they were admitted to hospital but caught it in hospital and then died?

So much conjecture and speculation it's hard to know what to believe with the figures being released every day.



David,


I personally believe that All countries are putting the virus down to many of these deaths when many might have died anyway .


Annis,

You may well be right.

I suppose in years to come the actual figures will probably be revealed but at the moment it is so hard to know what to believe.

Re: “ This is very very worrying “

Tue May 05, 2020 9:54 pm

davids wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
davids wrote:There seem to be many deaths attributed to coronavirus where it's been put on the death certificate without any test having taken place either before or after death but just where the doctor completing the certificate has "assumed" that Covid 19 was present.

How can those figures be in any way said to be accurate?

Are there any figures available for how many people did not have the virus when they were admitted to hospital but caught it in hospital and then died?

So much conjecture and speculation it's hard to know what to believe with the figures being released every day.



David,


I personally believe that All countries are putting the virus down to many of these deaths when many might have died anyway .


Annis,

You may well be right.

I suppose in years to come the actual figures will probably be revealed but at the moment it is so hard to know what to believe.




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