When will it end?

That’s the question on everyone’s lips?

28,000 deaths in the UK - personally I think it’s more.. but the government playing down the severity of it all, The government should have done what Spain done and had a strict lockdown.. not this Mickey Mouse one we have in place! We will be the worst in Europe,

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Boris & co say we are passed the peak - ok fair enough but we are still getting 6-700 deaths daily,

Do you think we should just have a stricter lockdown?
Do you think we should still allow daily exercise with people flouting lockdown rules?
Is the government accountable for high death rate?
Where do we go from here?
Do you honestly think that it’s perfectly acceptable to continue as we are knowing people still dying - companies are going back to work with “apparent” social distancing in place (I know construction sites that aren’t)

Interesting to here peoples thoughts?

That’s the question on everyone’s lips?

28,000 deaths in the UK - personally I think it’s more.. but the government playing down the severity of it all, The government should have done what Spain done and had a strict lockdown.. not this Mickey Mouse one we have in place! We will be the worst in Europe,


Boris & co say we are passed the peak - ok fair enough but we are still getting 6-700 deaths daily,

Do you think we should just have a stricter lockdown?
Do you think we should still allow daily exercise with people flouting lockdown rules?
Is the government accountable for high death rate?
Where do we go from here?
Do you honestly think that it’s perfectly acceptable to continue as we are knowing people still dying - companies are going back to work with “apparent” social distancing in place (I know construction sites that aren’t)

Interesting to here peoples thoughts?

I’m not trying to be clever mate but my honest opinion is that I have absolutely no idea.
The Mrs and I have discussed these issues pretty much every single evening after the update and we certainly can’t say anyThing for certain.
The economy HAS to get moving soon and to go with that, schools need to be offering some type of service soon. As a school teacher I have no idea how to go about it and I suspect the government and its advisors are in a similar boat.

From day one the UK have had a pathetic lockdown with no proper understanding or strict rules and many took the piss out if it.

I could not believe it and for me there is No lockdown in the UK.

It really upsets me to see as some of my closest family and best friends still Live there.


Those responsible for not helping it be a lockdown are the Govt, The Media and of course the minority of morons that continued to be arseholes .

It breaks my heart to see what is happening on the UK

The amount that argued on here to me that the UK was doing it right and continued to deny that people were not breaking the rules etc astounded me.


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Whilst I agree the Government is not being fully transparent about the death numbers I still think it is fair to say they are far from the worst in the World.

We will only know how badly the Government (and other Governments) have done once this is all over and the stats people can compare the related death rates of each country based on the number over and above the normal death rate for each month during this crisis.

There might be countries who are crowing about how well they have done who might not look as good once the true picture is known.

Whilst I agree the Government is not being fully transparent about the death numbers I still think it is fair to say they are far from the worst in the World.

We will only know how badly the Government (and other Governments) have done once this is all over and the stats people can compare the related death rates of each country based on the number over and above the normal death rate for each month during this crisis.

There might be countries who are crowing about how well they have done who might not look as good once the true picture is known.

China’s stats are very suspect and anyway comparisons are pointless unless they’re per capita. I think our government could have done more, particularly with stopping incoming flights but all in all I’d give them 7/10. This is like nothing in living memory and it seemed to take a longtime for people to grasp the seriousness of it, we were bumping elbows rather than shake hands, the WHO told us it can’t be transmitted from person to person, despite Taiwan proving it was happening and we let the Cheltenham Festival go ahead.

Whilst I agree the Government is not being fully transparent about the death numbers I still think it is fair to say they are far from the worst in the World.

We will only know how badly the Government (and other Governments) have done once this is all over and the stats people can compare the related death rates of each country based on the number over and above the normal death rate for each month during this crisis.

There might be countries who are crowing about how well they have done who might not look as good once the true picture is known.

China’s stats are very suspect and anyway comparisons are pointless unless they’re per capita. I think our government could have done more, particularly with stopping incoming flights but all in all I’d give them 7/10. This is like nothing in living memory and it seemed to take a longtime for people to grasp the seriousness of it, we were bumping elbows rather than shake hands, the WHO told us it can’t be transmitted from person to person, despite Taiwan proving it was happening and we let the Cheltenham Festival go ahead.

They reckon 90% have adhered to the lockdown and I reckon that’s right. Cardiff has been very quiet, up until last week at least I now see a bit more traffic but not much. Interesting to find out that almost half the deaths in Cardiff are in care homes, sad but predictable and you would have thought they could have managed this better and not let them die in this way. The news coming out from the WHO saying you cannot catch it again and people do have the anti bodies needed to stop re infection is the best news I’ve heard so far. No doubt we will be in lockdown until June 1st, that will be 10 weeks, which is enough as long as we can track and trace 100% from there onwards.

That’s the question on everyone’s lips?

28,000 deaths in the UK - personally I think it’s more.. but the government playing down the severity of it all, The government should have done what Spain done and had a strict lockdown.. not this Mickey Mouse one we have in place! We will be the worst in Europe,

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Boris & co say we are passed the peak - ok fair enough but we are still getting 6-700 deaths daily,

Do you think we should just have a stricter lockdown?
Do you think we should still allow daily exercise with people flouting lockdown rules?
Is the government accountable for high death rate?
Where do we go from here?
Do you honestly think that it’s perfectly acceptable to continue as we are knowing people still dying - companies are going back to work with “apparent” social distancing in place (I know construction sites that aren’t)

Interesting to here peoples thoughts?

I would like you to explain how you think a stricter lockdown works better.....
day of lockdown. Spain had 63 deaths and a running total of 196 ….with 5678 active cases...
twenty five thousand deaths later along with over whelming its Health service with far less beds, respirators and PPE than we had and having 5500 health care workers infected. its now 3 times as many daily deaths and seventy six thousand active cases... and is the 2nd highest death rate per capita in Europe...
I know its not as simple as this and there is a long game here as well... but from what we know and can see how come you don't think we should have followed one of the hundred odd countries with a better record ?

Whilst I agree the Government is not being fully transparent about the death numbers I still think it is fair to say they are far from the worst in the World.

We will only know how badly the Government (and other Governments) have done once this is all over and the stats people can compare the related death rates of each country based on the number over and above the normal death rate for each month during this crisis.

There might be countries who are crowing about how well they have done who might not look as good once the true picture is known.

China’s stats are very suspect and anyway comparisons are pointless unless they’re per capita. I think our government could have done more, particularly with stopping incoming flights but all in all I’d give them 7/10. This is like nothing in living memory and it seemed to take a longtime for people to grasp the seriousness of it, we were bumping elbows rather than shake hands, the WHO told us it can’t be transmitted from person to person, despite Taiwan proving it was happening and we let the Cheltenham Festival go ahead.

Cheltenham festival seems to be getting it all the time. but the whole of Europe had big events that week and city centres here and elsewhere were rammed the weekend after { 13th/14th } including Cardiff and Swansea.. I was at an adult weekend in Minehead myself which was chocers.. at that point we had 300 cases and 3 deaths.. and nobody other than China had locked down...

That’s the question on everyone’s lips?

28,000 deaths in the UK - personally I think it’s more.. but the government playing down the severity of it all, The government should have done what Spain done and had a strict lockdown.. not this Mickey Mouse one we have in place! We will be the worst in Europe,

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=213752


Boris & co say we are passed the peak - ok fair enough but we are still getting 6-700 deaths daily,

Do you think we should just have a stricter lockdown?
Do you think we should still allow daily exercise with people flouting lockdown rules?
Is the government accountable for high death rate?
Where do we go from here?
Do you honestly think that it’s perfectly acceptable to continue as we are knowing people still dying - companies are going back to work with “apparent” social distancing in place (I know construction sites that aren’t)

Interesting to here peoples thoughts?

Easy to criticise after the event!!

This has never happened in my lifetime and all Countries and Governments did things differently who knows who got it right only time will tell

There is no real evidence to prove strict lockdowns have worked again only time will tell

One thing I do know if that by not having a strict lockdown probably means that millions more people in this country have possibly had the virus with minimal or no symptoms. According to the WHO reports today it looks like these people will not get it again. This should put the country in a much better position than countries that did have a stricter lockdown if or when a second spike occurs.

Personally, I think our government has handled an s as almost impossible situation reasonably well 8/10

That’s the question on everyone’s lips?

28,000 deaths in the UK - personally I think it’s more.. but the government playing down the severity of it all, The government should have done what Spain done and had a strict lockdown.. not this Mickey Mouse one we have in place! We will be the worst in Europe,

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=213752


Boris & co say we are passed the peak - ok fair enough but we are still getting 6-700 deaths daily,

Do you think we should just have a stricter lockdown?
Do you think we should still allow daily exercise with people flouting lockdown rules?
Is the government accountable for high death rate?
Where do we go from here?
Do you honestly think that it’s perfectly acceptable to continue as we are knowing people still dying - companies are going back to work with “apparent” social distancing in place (I know construction sites that aren’t)

Interesting to here peoples thoughts?

Easy to criticise after the event!!

This has never happened in my lifetime and all Countries and Governments did things differently who knows who got it right only time will tell

There is no real evidence to prove strict lockdowns have worked again only time will tell

One thing I do know if that by not having a strict lockdown probably means that millions more people in this country have possibly had the virus with minimal or no symptoms. According to the WHO reports today it looks like these people will not get it again. This should put the country in a much better position than countries that did have a stricter lockdown if or when a second spike occurs.

Personally, I think our government has handled an s as almost impossible situation reasonably well 8/10

there were very few that locked down harder than we did mate...no exercise isn't a lockdown its imprisonment...infact even prisoners get exercise..
we are going to learn a lot though when others having been locked up so harshly are allowed out...so far they have suffered hugely from numbers of same household deaths... what happens when its not just family members they are in contact with ?

You cant compare raw numbers. UK has second highest population in Europe-approximately 50 % higher than Spain and its population is far more concentrated than countries such as France. We are now - belatedly - counting all deaths which is not the case in all European countries. Belgium and Spain which have had far stricter lockdowns than us have a much higher per capita death rate than us.

And as for the numbers in places such as China and Iran which were initially the worst effected. Well anyone who believes them must also believe in Father Christmas.

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Those advocating a more strick lockdown should provide an explanation as to why Sweden h has had the least draconian lockdown in Western Europe, hardly a lockdown at all, has and still has less deaths per head of the population than Italy Spain Belgium and the U.K. We have been in lockdown for five weeks and Sweden not at all how come their death rate isn't going through the roof?

My friend Rob, when to the chip shop last night in Trowbridge and when he got there , there was 14 people in the que Inside, No social distancing at all and a group of 8 youths stood together outside . Rob decided to give it a mss.

I also know this is happening in other areas in Cardiff.


I thought the UK were in lockdown?

Sweden 10mill population


2,700 Approx deaths


This is not to say that Sweden has escaped Covid-19’s deadly consequences entirely. The Swedish Public Health Authority has admitted that the country’s seniors have been hit hard, with the virus spreading through 75 per cent of the 101 care homes in Stockholm. Employees of the homes complain of shortages of personal protective equipment (PPE).

The freer approach has not fully insulated Sweden’s economy, mainly because the country is dependent on exports, the minister of finance, Magdalena Andersson, says. She says the economy is likely to shrink by 7 per cent this year, “but of course hairdressers, restaurants and hotels are less affected compared to other countries”.

From the first signs of the pandemic, the Swedish government took swift action.

Sweden is tackling the coronavirus pandemic through both legally enforced measures and recommendations. Like most other countries, we are promoting social distancing, protecting vulnerable people and at-risk groups, carrying out testing and strengthening our health system to cope with the pandemic.

The government has banned visits to care homes for the elderly and made changes to the social security system to make it easier for people with COVID-19 symptoms to take sick leave. Public gatherings of more than 50 people are banned. Secondary schools and university and college classes have moved to online instruction, and people are encouraged to work from home.


Sweden’s measures differ from other countries in a few significant ways. We are not shutting down schools for younger children or daycare facilities. We have no regulation that forces citizens to remain in their homes. And we have not ordered the closure of any businesses, though businesses like restaurants are required to operate with social distancing rules.

Swedish laws on communicable diseases are mostly based on voluntary measures and on individual responsibility. Sweden’s coronavirus strategy builds upon those principles. It’s a strategy that makes sense for Sweden, but we are humble enough to admit that it may make less sense elsewhere, because all societies are different.

The key here is the high level of trust in Swedish society. According to the World Values Survey, there is a high level of interpersonal trust between Swedes, and there is also a high level of trust in public authorities. The authorities also have a high level of trust in citizens to heed their advice.

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I'm sure if there is a massive spike in cases in trowbrdige, the governmwnt will impose a very tough lockdwon there

You cant compare raw numbers. UK has second highest population in Europe-approximately 50 % higher than Spain and its population is far more concentrated than countries such as France. We are now - belatedly - counting all deaths which is not the case in all European countries. Belgium and Spain which have had far stricter lockdowns than us have a much higher per capita death rate than us.

And as for the numbers in places such as China and Iran which were initially the worst effected. Well anyone who believes them must also believe in Father Christmas.

UK 66mill
Spain 47mill


UK are more than 2 weeks behind on the virus and I really hope it does not continue with many more deaths , but it was stated time and time again on here that there was no chance of even being as bad as Spain and yet it’s lasted Spain already .

Plus the UK had way more time to prepare for the virus than Italy and Spain and were given helpful advice on where they had failed .

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .

People are dying and your talking about a love in.

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .


People are dying are you are talking about a love in .

you have had it tougher than us over there...that doesn't mean your government got it right though.. im looking at countries that have had smaller death tolls and thinking how much better it would be to have their numbers....im not looking at spain or Italy and thinking that ...

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .[


People are dying and your talking about a love in.

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Unfortunately for them Spain and Italy were hit first and hardest and they had no choice but to go into complete lockdown as their health service was inundated and couldn’t cope

The UK had an extra 2 weeks to prepare and did prepare pretty well with rehired staff, extra ventilators, field hospitals etc

Luckily, even though we sadly have had nearly 30,000 deaths our NHS was never overwhelmed and that probably saved many, many lives

That’s probably why a stricter lockdown wasn’t needed and because of that many more of us have probably had the virus with little or no symptoms which will be a distinct advantage if another spike happens

I think if/when this happens again a lot of other countries who went full lockdown will probably reign it in a bit and start with a partial lockdown allowing excersize then possibly moving either way depending on the spike.

This time next year we will have all the facts and will know the correct way to deal with a situation like this because we will have a case study to work off. At the moment everybody in the world Is guessing and hoping they choose the right course of action
Next time governments will have no excuse to have these deaths. The first case of something like this coming out again in a country and that country should be locked down for travel straight away.

It's hard to know who did it right because I think nearly every country is lying about the number of deaths.

Personally i think our government got every thing right apart from the start date. We should have licked down 2 weeks earlier

Bluebird docts post is spot on the scientific community themselves can't decide upon an appropriate course of action so what chance us lot. As sir Jimmy s highlighted earlier economics will kick in and the lives of the few shall be sacrificed for the greater cause. Where that equation lies ends with the government of the day. Think of it your life your parents life sacrificed to benefit the wider economy?

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .


People are dying are you are talking about a love in .

you have had it tougher than us over there...that doesn't mean your government got it right though.. im looking at countries that have had smaller death tolls and thinking how much better it would be to have their numbers....im not looking at spain or Italy and thinking that ...

Of course it does not mean Spain had it totally right, remember Spain got hit so quick it took a couple of weeks to get their heads around how bad it was and how quick it spread.
But what they did was bang complete lockdown and I mean complete lockdown and I have been through it and it was tough.

UK then had the chance to see what was happening over here and Italy and my opinion stands it seemed like a holiday lockdown to outsiders watching the media, seeing the photos , speaking to many friends back in the UK.

Plus don’t forget UK many have received money from the Govt, Spain which for me is well out of order have handed zero out to any Spanish person or resident.

They say they will later this month.

Our population density is quite bad in the UK which means the spreading of the disease will be more widespread.

But, they have definitely made mistakes.

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .


People are dying are you are talking about a love in .

you have had it tougher than us over there...that doesn't mean your government got it right though.. im looking at countries that have had smaller death tolls and thinking how much better it would be to have their numbers....im not looking at spain or Italy and thinking that ...

Of course it does not mean Spain had it totally right, remember Spain got hit so quick it took a couple of weeks to get their heads around how bad it was and how quick it spread.
But what they did was bang complete lockdown and I mean complete lockdown and I have been through it and it was tough.

UK then had the chance to see what was happening over here and Italy and my opinion stands it seemed like a holiday lockdown to outsiders watching the media, seeing the photos , speaking to many friends back in the UK.

Plus don’t forget UK many have received money from the Govt, Spain which for me is well out of order have handed zero out to any Spanish person or resident.

They say they will later this month.

your correct in that our government / experts did have that 10 days to monitor Spain and Italy... and what had happened..i have no idea why but Spains active cases during the first 10 days of lock down { the 10 days in-between spain and uk locking down } spiralled from 5600 to 29000..which mirrored Italys jump from 10k to 47k.. deaths were also horrendous too jumping in spain from 63 a day to 390 and 168 to 627 in Italy... so I think a number of countries including ours thought more of it and went for something a bit different.. our numbers are huge mate.. but our hospitals were able to cope better as we had that time to empty beds and prep... I don't think the point of lockdowns was to beat the virus as quite simply there was no treatment, no vaccine.. it was to protect the health care system which has happened here... btw our active cases and daily deaths also followed the same pattern after lockdown deaths jumping from 73 on lockdown day to 700 10 days later and cases quadrupling....I don't think it worked here, there, or in Italy ..the 3 worse countries cant possibly the ones that got it the most right..

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .


People are dying are you are talking about a love in .

you have had it tougher than us over there...that doesn't mean your government got it right though.. im looking at countries that have had smaller death tolls and thinking how much better it would be to have their numbers....im not looking at spain or Italy and thinking that ...

Of course it does not mean Spain had it totally right, remember Spain got hit so quick it took a couple of weeks to get their heads around how bad it was and how quick it spread.
But what they did was bang complete lockdown and I mean complete lockdown and I have been through it and it was tough.

UK then had the chance to see what was happening over here and Italy and my opinion stands it seemed like a holiday lockdown to outsiders watching the media, seeing the photos , speaking to many friends back in the UK.

Plus don’t forget UK many have received money from the Govt, Spain which for me is well out of order have handed zero out to any Spanish person or resident.

They say they will later this month.

your correct in that our government / experts did have that 10 days to monitor Spain and Italy... and what had happened..i have no idea why but Spains active cases during the first 10 days of lock down { the 10 days in-between spain and uk locking down } spiralled from 5600 to 29000..which mirrored Italys jump from 10k to 47k.. deaths were also horrendous too jumping in spain from 63 a day to 390 and 168 to 627 in Italy... so I think a number of countries including ours thought more of it and went for something a bit different.. our numbers are huge mate.. but our hospitals were able to cope better as we had that time to empty beds and prep... I don't think the point of lockdowns was to beat the virus as quite simply there was no treatment, no vaccine.. it was to protect the health care system which has happened here... btw our active cases and daily deaths also followed the same pattern after lockdown deaths jumping from 73 on lockdown day to 700 10 days later and cases quadrupling....I don't think it worked here, there, or in Italy ..the 3 worse countries cant possibly the ones that got it the most right..

I think your so near to the truth of what really happened

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .


People are dying are you are talking about a love in .

you have had it tougher than us over there...that doesn't mean your government got it right though.. im looking at countries that have had smaller death tolls and thinking how much better it would be to have their numbers....im not looking at spain or Italy and thinking that ...

Of course it does not mean Spain had it totally right, remember Spain got hit so quick it took a couple of weeks to get their heads around how bad it was and how quick it spread.
But what they did was bang complete lockdown and I mean complete lockdown and I have been through it and it was tough.

UK then had the chance to see what was happening over here and Italy and my opinion stands it seemed like a holiday lockdown to outsiders watching the media, seeing the photos , speaking to many friends back in the UK.

Plus don’t forget UK many have received money from the Govt, Spain which for me is well out of order have handed zero out to any Spanish person or resident.

They say they will later this month.

your correct in that our government / experts did have that 10 days to monitor Spain and Italy... and what had happened..i have no idea why but Spains active cases during the first 10 days of lock down { the 10 days in-between spain and uk locking down } spiralled from 5600 to 29000..which mirrored Italys jump from 10k to 47k.. deaths were also horrendous too jumping in spain from 63 a day to 390 and 168 to 627 in Italy... so I think a number of countries including ours thought more of it and went for something a bit different.. our numbers are huge mate.. but our hospitals were able to cope better as we had that time to empty beds and prep... I don't think the point of lockdowns was to beat the virus as quite simply there was no treatment, no vaccine.. it was to protect the health care system which has happened here... btw our active cases and daily deaths also followed the same pattern after lockdown deaths jumping from 73 on lockdown day to 700 10 days later and cases quadrupling....I don't think it worked here, there, or in Italy ..the 3 worse countries cant possibly the ones that got it the most right..

I think your so near to the truth of what really happened

China had this first and absolutely shit it... built huge hospitals in a few days and bought equipment from all over the world.... and locked Wuhan down... deaths and new cases gradually went up for a couple of weeks { nothing like the numbers in Europe } then fell dramatically... by the time Italy locked down they were down to 40 new cases and less than 20 deaths a day …. so its obvious...you follow China and lock down hard ? trouble is Italy and Spains numbers didn't gradually go up they shot up as did deaths and even now although getting better the numbers are still much much higher than China had... .... China have lied...and those lies have fcked us all off..

As the usual people keep bringing up populations:



Italy has a population of 60mill but are now only 130 deaths ahead of the UK, but had the virus 3 weeks before the Uk.

Uk had the chance to prepare way more than Italy & Spain did.
Annis Jnr Author and Publisher of 7 Books.

Just read any of the 1000's of threads the last 8 weeks, you will have all the same answers.

Why this love with Spain, I have no idea. They are in a mess and have a huge economic crisis to come... Spain haven't seen anything yet

Because to be fair to Italy and Spain the have had the toughest lockdowns in the world and it’s been very hard for them and their people and they adhered to it.

So No love in you Sarcastic b*stard tw*t .


People are dying are you are talking about a love in .

you have had it tougher than us over there...that doesn't mean your government got it right though.. im looking at countries that have had smaller death tolls and thinking how much better it would be to have their numbers....im not looking at spain or Italy and thinking that ...

Of course it does not mean Spain had it totally right, remember Spain got hit so quick it took a couple of weeks to get their heads around how bad it was and how quick it spread.
But what they did was bang complete lockdown and I mean complete lockdown and I have been through it and it was tough.

UK then had the chance to see what was happening over here and Italy and my opinion stands it seemed like a holiday lockdown to outsiders watching the media, seeing the photos , speaking to many friends back in the UK.

Plus don’t forget UK many have received money from the Govt, Spain which for me is well out of order have handed zero out to any Spanish person or resident.

They say they will later this month.

your correct in that our government / experts did have that 10 days to monitor Spain and Italy... and what had happened..i have no idea why but Spains active cases during the first 10 days of lock down { the 10 days in-between spain and uk locking down } spiralled from 5600 to 29000..which mirrored Italys jump from 10k to 47k.. deaths were also horrendous too jumping in spain from 63 a day to 390 and 168 to 627 in Italy... so I think a number of countries including ours thought more of it and went for something a bit different.. our numbers are huge mate.. but our hospitals were able to cope better as we had that time to empty beds and prep... I don't think the point of lockdowns was to beat the virus as quite simply there was no treatment, no vaccine.. it was to protect the health care system which has happened here... btw our active cases and daily deaths also followed the same pattern after lockdown deaths jumping from 73 on lockdown day to 700 10 days later and cases quadrupling....I don't think it worked here, there, or in Italy ..the 3 worse countries cant possibly the ones that got it the most right..

I think your so near to the truth of what really happened

China had this first and absolutely shit it... built huge hospitals in a few days and bought equipment from all over the world.... and locked Wuhan down... deaths and new cases gradually went up for a couple of weeks { nothing like the numbers in Europe } then fell dramatically... by the time Italy locked down they were down to 40 new cases and less than 20 deaths a day …. so its obvious...you follow China and lock down hard ? trouble is Italy and Spains numbers didn't gradually go up they shot up as did deaths and even now although getting better the numbers are still much much higher than China had... .... China have lied...and those lies have fcked us all off..

That was the problem Italy & Spain, deaths toll shot up ridiculously from day one.

You cant compare raw numbers. UK has second highest population in Europe-approximately 50 % higher than Spain and its population is far more concentrated than countries such as France. We are now - belatedly - counting all deaths which is not the case in all European countries. Belgium and Spain which have had far stricter lockdowns than us have a much higher per capita death rate than us.

And as for the numbers in places such as China and Iran which were initially the worst effected. Well anyone who believes them must also believe in Father Christmas.

As the usual people keep bringing up populations:



Italy has a population of 60mill but are now only 130 deaths ahead of the UK, but had the virus 3 weeks before the Uk.

Uk had the chance to prepare way more than Italy & Spain did.
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