Just Like To Say Its Not Up To The NHS To Supply

Just Like To Say Its Not Up To The NHS or Govt To Supply These Priate Care Homes With PPE As The Amount They Charge A Person They Should Make Sure The Residents And Staff Have All The PPE They Need Pure Greed On Them That Own Them

Private Care owners make fortunes and they should be getting the PPE themselves and paying for all of it themselves.


Tony Blair privatised most of these.

OPINIONS?

I think the whole “care system” should be supported whether nhs or private as this is unpresidented imagine working or staying in a care home with limited Ppe. The tories were too slow to lock everyone down we started at the same time as Germany, we have weak leadership who bullshit us all the time, they even set up fake nhs staff twitter accounts and said great things about the government response. It’s a difficult situation but we’ve been too slow to react unlike Germany and others.

As stated private care homes charge a fortune
My brothers mother in law was recently in a private care home
I was shocked when my brother told me how much
A month they were charging , care home can well
Afford to buy their own ppe and it should
Not be the NHS responsibility .

I think the whole “care system” should be supported whether nhs or private as this is unpresidented imagine working or staying in a care home with limited Ppe. The tories were too slow to lock everyone down we started at the same time as Germany, we have weak leadership who bullshit us all the time, they even set up fake nhs staff twitter accounts and said great things about the government response. It’s a difficult situation but we’ve been too slow to react unlike Germany and others.

But while you have private ones, their owners should be paying for everything as they make fortunes out of vulnerable people and their families with staff on low low wages .

As stated private care homes charge a fortune
My brothers mother in law was recently in a private care home
I was shocked when my brother told me how much
A month they were charging , care home can well
Afford to buy their own ppe and it should
Not be the NHS responsibility .

Spot on and there are thousands now demanding the Govt and NHS to provide for them, the owners should pay for all this.

I think the whole “care system” should be supported whether nhs or private as this is unpresidented imagine working or staying in a care home with limited Ppe. The tories were too slow to lock everyone down we started at the same time as Germany, we have weak leadership who bullshit us all the time, they even set up fake nhs staff twitter accounts and said great things about the government response. It’s a difficult situation but we’ve been too slow to react unlike Germany and others.

But while you have private ones, their owners should be paying for everything as they make fortunes out of vulnerable people and their families with staff on low low wages .

Absolutely 100% agree Annis. My mother is currently in a private care home and tbf the staff have been wearing PPE for a while now. If that care home has supplied its staff than so should every other. I can tell you first hand that per person, a private care home is charging / making a fortune.

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Agree on private care homes we pay £900 a week for my mum staff are on minimum wage shocking

I think the whole “care system” should be supported whether nhs or private as this is unpresidented imagine working or staying in a care home with limited Ppe. The tories were too slow to lock everyone down we started at the same time as Germany, we have weak leadership who bullshit us all the time, they even set up fake nhs staff twitter accounts and said great things about the government response. It’s a difficult situation but we’ve been too slow to react unlike Germany and others.

But while you have private ones, their owners should be paying for everything as they make fortunes out of vulnerable people and their families with staff on low low wages .

Absolutely 100% agree Annis. My mother is currently in a private care home and tbf the staff have been wearing PPE for a while now. If that care home has supplied its staff than so should every other. I can tell you first hand that per person, a private care home is charging / making a fortune.

Spot on Andrew

Totally agree. They should source their own ppe. Just proves profit is they main objective.

Totally agree. They should source their own ppe. Just proves profit is they main objective.

Totally agree and these Private Care homes should be outed & shamed when all this is over.

Totally agree. They should source their own ppe. Just proves profit is they main objective.

Totally agree and these Private Care homes should be outed & shamed when all this is over.

A few years ago my friends mother in a care home was paying £1350 a week. I think that care homes should get all the ppe that they need, but they should be billed for it all. they make enough money as it is

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Steve Thomas

Our care home system is a disgrace.
Scotland is free if I remember correctly.
But it’s the fees and it’s nothing short of grabbing people’s entire savings or there homes from family.
To right they should fund it themselves

Totally agree. They should source their own ppe. Just proves profit is they main objective.

Totally agree and these Private Care homes should be outed & shamed when all this is over.

Absolutely correct. These private care homes charge horrendous amounts of money.

My mother died last year but prior to that we were paying £1450 per week (admittedly for full care that was required) and that isn't an unusual amount around here. It's not as if you can shop around, you just have to take what places are available at the time that you need them, often at a time of crisis.

It's not just the PPE issues , either. There has to be something wrong with their business model if they can charge that amount but only pay the amazing staff minimum/living wage. That just can't be right in a civilised society as this pandemic has highlighted.

Rant over

Totally agree. They should source their own ppe. Just proves profit is they main objective.

Totally agree and these Private Care homes should be outed & shamed when all this is over.

Absolutely correct. These private care homes charge horrendous amounts of money.

My mother died last year but prior to that we were paying £1450 per week (admittedly for full care that was required) and that isn't an unusual amount around here. It's not as if you can shop around, you just have to take what places are available at the time that you need them, often at a time of crisis.

It's not just the PPE issues , either. There has to be something wrong with their business model if they can charge that amount but only pay the amazing staff minimum/living wage. That just can't be right in a civilised society as this pandemic has highlighted.


Rant over

Totally agree. They should source their own ppe. Just proves profit is they main objective.

Totally agree and these Private Care homes should be outed & shamed when all this is over.

A few years ago my friends mother in a care home was paying £1350 a week. I think that care homes should get all the ppe that they need, but they should be billed for it all. they make enough money as it is

Roger, shocking, of course they should get it
But they the owners should all pay for it

Millions of pieces of PPE being shipped from UK

Millions of pieces of vital protective equipment are being shipped from British warehouses to Germany, Spain and Italy despite severe shortages in this country, The Telegraph can disclose.

Lorries are being packed with masks, respirators and other PPE kit before heading back to supply hospitals in the EU, it has emerged.

On Monday night, UK firms said they had “no choice” but to keep selling the lifesaving gear abroad because their offers of help had been repeatedly ignored by the Government.

On Sunday, 12 million pieces of PPE were delivered to the health care sector, down from 33 million less than a fortnight ago.

Ministers have insisted that the shortage of PPE has been caused by global supply issues as nations scramble to source reusable gear from factories in China.

PPE plane that was meant to land Sunday 'will be with us in next few days'

A consignment of personal protective equipment being collected by the RAF from Turkey will be in the UK "in the next few days", Local Government Minister Simon Clarke has said.

Asked whether it had left Turkey yet, he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I can't speak to that, I'm afraid. All I know is it set off last night.

"It will be with us obviously in the UK in the next few days, which is the core priority."

Totally agree. They should source their own ppe. Just proves profit is they main objective.

Totally agree and these Private Care homes should be outed & shamed when all this is over.

Absolutely correct. These private care homes charge horrendous amounts of money.

My mother died last year but prior to that we were paying £1450 per week (admittedly for full care that was required) and that isn't an unusual amount around here. It's not as if you can shop around, you just have to take what places are available at the time that you need them, often at a time of crisis.

It's not just the PPE issues , either. There has to be something wrong with their business model if they can charge that amount but only pay the amazing staff minimum/living wage. That just can't be right in a civilised society as this pandemic has highlighted.

Rant over

Really Sorry to hear.

I agree, these Private Care homes have made owners fortunes and are run on skeleton low paid staff and do not give the care that is paid for and sadly needed.

Millions of pieces of PPE being shipped from UK

Millions of pieces of vital protective equipment are being shipped from British warehouses to Germany, Spain and Italy despite severe shortages in this country, The Telegraph can disclose.

Lorries are being packed with masks, respirators and other PPE kit before heading back to supply hospitals in the EU, it has emerged.

On Monday night, UK firms said they had “no choice” but to keep selling the lifesaving gear abroad because their offers of help had been repeatedly ignored by the Government.

On Sunday, 12 million pieces of PPE were delivered to the health care sector, down from 33 million less than a fortnight ago.

Ministers have insisted that the shortage of PPE has been caused by global supply issues as nations scramble to source reusable gear from factories in China.

This is shocking Tony

It's about time this issue was brought up. There are 1000's of care home in the country and they are not the responsibility of the NHS or government to supply. They charge high fees and should source their own equipment.

There is plenty for the hospitals but it is having to be shared amongst care homes, dentists and pharmacies who all make huge profits, and should buy their own equipment.

By the same token it’s not normally up to the Government to provide PPE to the NHS, but it’s different in times of crisis.

As for Blair, he’s been rolled out by the press again yesterday, god only knows why. The man should be in jail. He was the demise of Labour and the damage to that party is what’s left of it today.

I think the whole “care system” should be supported whether nhs or private as this is unpresidented imagine working or staying in a care home with limited Ppe. The tories were too slow to lock everyone down we started at the same time as Germany, we have weak leadership who bullshit us all the time, they even set up fake nhs staff twitter accounts and said great things about the government response. It’s a difficult situation but we’ve been too slow to react unlike Germany and others.

Were the Tories too slow in locking down the country? That is your opinion and not the highly qualified doctors and scientists in this country, many of whom still think it is not the right approach to this kind of situation.

Why aren't you advising the government about the right steps to take as you seem to have the answers?
I am glad it is not me having to take these decisions especially when narrow minded people who think they know best, are looking for any excuse to blame them for everything. Nobody in the world knows the correct way to deal with this. It will take years to sort out.

Why didn't the socialist run Welsh Assembly (Labour party) and Scotland (SNP) shut down the country earlier?
Why is there insufficient PPE in Wales and Scotland, both socialist run for over 20 years?

Why has the Welsh Assembly abandoned its very modest target of 8000 tests per day, after only achieving 10% (1 in 10) of that quoted target?

Just Like To Say Its Not Up To The NHS or Govt To Supply These Priate Care Homes With PPE As The Amount They Charge A Person They Should Make Sure The Residents And Staff Have All The PPE They Need Pure Greed On Them That Own Them

Private Care owners make fortunes and they should be getting the PPE themselves and paying for all of it themselves.


Tony Blair privatised most of these.

OPINIONS?

Have to agree with you,charge ridiculous amount of money and should fund it themselves.

And you should all look at the facts before ranting over this.

All the people that have sadly passed in care homes SHOULD have been admitted to hospital and there are sadly thousands.

The Care homes are helping the NHS by keeping these people within the homes and not making hospitals take them.

Some but not all are receiving end of life care anyway and need multi-faceted care anyway(not cheap).

If the Gov/NHS want the carers to look after the people in the homes they have a duty to provide these carers with the right PPE it should not be down to the individual homes no matter what they charge.

I've just scrapped the surface here and needs to be properly understood before passing judgement.

At the Labour Party Conference in 1997 Tony Blair said in his speech, "I don't want our children brought up in a country where the only way pensioners can get long term care is by selling their home"

Well in his 10 years as Prime Minister ALL he achieved was to reinforce the Thatcher policy of "Competition" in ALL markets and as a result the UK has built up a massive and highly profitable industry supplying social care, but still pensioners have to sell their homes to fund care or their family have to contribute or pay all the costs themselves.

This article highlights how profitable social care can be and shows that many of these "For Profit" companies are owned by offshore investors who will follow any old trick to avoid paying tax on their profits, including charging excessive rents on properties.


https://inews.co.uk/news/health/care-ho ... nds-920264

Whilst investors cream off high profits many of the people doing the actual care are on minimum wage and zero hour contracts, in my opinion it's a disgrace. I believe the government must step in and supply PPE where it's needed during this crisis but I hope the Government charge them for every item.

In the last election campaign Boris Johnson was the latest Politician to promise to sort this issue out but like many before him I doubt he will.

At the Labour Party Conference in 1997 Tony Blair said in his speech, "I don't want our children brought up in a country where the only way pensioners can get long term care is by selling their home"

Well in his 10 years as Prime Minister ALL he achieved was to reinforce the Thatcher policy of "Competition" in ALL markets and as a result the UK has built up a massive and highly profitable industry supplying social care, but still pensioners have to sell their homes to fund care or their family have to contribute or pay all the costs themselves.

This article highlights how profitable social care can be and shows that many of these "For Profit" companies are owned by offshore investors who will follow any old trick to avoid paying tax on their profits, including charging excessive rents on properties.


https://inews.co.uk/news/health/care-ho ... nds-920264

Whilst investors cream off high profits many of the people doing the actual care are on minimum wage and zero hour contracts, in my opinion it's a disgrace. I believe the government must step in and supply PPE where it's needed during this crisis but I hope the Government charge them for every item.

In the last election campaign Boris Johnson was the latest Politician to promise to sort this issue out but like many before him I doubt he will.

And I would agree if the care homes were charging the NHS/GOV for treating Covid-19 patients.

And you should all look at the facts before ranting over this.

All the people that have sadly passed in care homes SHOULD have been admitted to hospital and there are sadly thousands.

The Care homes are helping the NHS by keeping these people within the homes and not making hospitals take them.

Some but not all are receiving end of life care anyway and need multi-faceted care anyway(not cheap).

If the Gov/NHS want the carers to look after the people in the homes they have a duty to provide these carers with the right PPE it should not be down to the individual homes no matter what they charge.

I've just scrapped the surface here and needs to be properly understood before passing judgement.

That's a very generous defence of the care homes but certainly not reflective of my experience of care homes.

Firstly, care homes do not make the decision as to whether their residents go to hospital or not. It is a clinical decision made by a GP or Paramedic, if they decide the residents need hospital treatment they get it. The only people who may have an influence on that would be the family in very rare/serious cases.

Secondly when you say "some" are receiving end of life care that, again in my experience, is an absolutely tiny minority. In our experience the home had around 150 residents and only 2 or 3 were what I would class as end of life. Those people will also be paying significantly more for nursing care but if they have been successful in being granted Continuous Health Care (CHC) allowance (a tortuous process that took until after my mother's death to be granted!)that will be paid to the Care Home by the NHS, so yet again the Care Home does not lose out.

Just for clarity, none of this is a criticism of the care provided, it was nothing short of brilliant. The criticism is of the huge firms running these homes and the way they treat their amazing staff.

It's about time this issue was brought up. There are 1000's of care home in the country and they are not the responsibility of the NHS or government to supply. They charge high fees and should source their own equipment.

There is plenty for the hospitals but it is having to be shared amongst care homes, dentists and pharmacies who all make huge profits, and should buy their own equipment.

Agreed and they should the private ones also be trying to buy it themselves

By the same token it’s not normally up to the Government to provide PPE to the NHS, but it’s different in times of crisis.

As for Blair, he’s been rolled out by the press again yesterday, god only knows why. The man should be in jail. He was the demise of Labour and the damage to that party is what’s left of it today.

We are not saying they should not have any, we are saying they should pay for it and should also be trying to buy it themselves and also take some responsibility as they have made £billions out of vulnerable people .

And you should all look at the facts before ranting over this.

All the people that have sadly passed in care homes SHOULD have been admitted to hospital and there are sadly thousands.

The Care homes are helping the NHS by keeping these people within the homes and not making hospitals take them.

Some but not all are receiving end of life care anyway and need multi-faceted care anyway(not cheap).

If the Gov/NHS want the carers to look after the people in the homes they have a duty to provide these carers with the right PPE it should not be down to the individual homes no matter what they charge.

I've just scrapped the surface here and needs to be properly understood before passing judgement.

Martin,

I totally know the facts , but in care homes they are not trained nurses , they are helpers and yes they’ve kept them out of hospitals.

I am saying the owners shout every paying for everything for their patients and also be trying to get everything that’s needed themselves as well.

I know for a fact the owners make fortunes out if the old and vulnerable so should now put some if that money back in to them and not just rely on the Govt or NHS.

Don’t you agree?


Anyway what was your point with your volatile answer ?

As I had not said a word about beds, but now you mention it , I will say it again these are not trained nurses.

In the last week alone I know of a number of close friends parents / grandparents who have died in care homes and I know a big poster on here who sister is a carer who became very ill through no protection at a care home and his granddaughter now managing it, the Wealthy owner owns 4 and has not spent a penny keeps asking the NHS.


The figures of deaths have been kept quite so far .

So yes I am saying these owners should also take responsibility.



So what don’t you agree with ?