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Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:39 pm
Dalman: "I'd like to see Nantes match what we put in, or any agent who has taken the high ground. Put your money where your mouth is."
BBC
Cardiff City have set up a trust in the name of Emiliano Sala to support his family and fund footballing projects in his memory.
The Welsh club are still fighting their case against payment of the £15m transfer fee agreed with Nantes, a year on from the deaths of the Argentine striker and pilot David Ibbotson.
Earlier this week Cardiff submitted a file to French prosecutors they claim contained "sufficient evidence of wrongdoing" on Nantes' behalf regarding the transfer.
Now the Bluebirds say they will invest a "substantial amount of money" into the Emiliano Sala Memorial Trust.
The trust, launched in conjunction with the Sala family's lawyers, will see Cardiff donate money to support the family and grassroots football projects in his memory.
Cardiff chairman Mehmet Dalman has called on "the football world" to join the Bluebirds in donating to the fund, which will be controlled by independent trustees.
"We've had long discussions with the family and reached a stage where we have launched a trust fund for Emiliano," said Dalman.
"I'd like to see Nantes match what we put in, or any agent who has taken the high ground. Put your money where your mouth is.
"The joint venture by Cardiff City and the Sala family. They have been working on it for over a year.
"We have always wanted to do something for him and the family, we had to get them fully onside. You can't do it without the family.
"We worked tirelessly to make sure they were happy with every single thing. That was important and took time - cross-border issues, language issues, legal issues. Had to overcome that to where we wanted to be.
"I've been championing for this - as have Vincent [Tan, Cardiff's owner] and Ken [Choo, Cardiff's chief executive] - for a year and we've got something that makes sense.
"We would invite the football world, even the whole world, to make a contribution to this. Think the timing is just right after the anniversary. We didn't want to announce on the anniversary because that was all about the family and nobody else."
Cardiff chief executive Ken Choo added: "The family is very happy with this.
"The timing of this announcement is right, just after the one year anniversary."
As well as contributing financially, Cardiff plan to share information about Sala's death with the player's family.
Chris Nott, a senior partner with Capital Law who is working as Cardiff's lawyer for this case, said: "We are working with the family to help them find out the truth, collaborating with them to find out what happened to Emiliano.
"We are opening our files for them to tell them this is what we know.
"We'll have independent trustees, set up by Cardiff City and the family jointly.
"The purpose of it is that the trustees can do what they want with the money donated to it - imagine what Emiliano would have wanted, whether it's for his family or football clubs in his hometown."
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:04 am
Well I will be the one that comments shall I? If as reported city have been in constant contact with the family,will some posters give praise where it's due? Or will it be another stick to beat the club with? I for one think it's a great thing for the club to do,as have not read of Nantes coming up with anything along the same lines yet (I may be wrong,so have said I've not read) his family will now have a lasting legacy and memories of their loved one.and the timing of the announcement makes sense,just after the anniversary, and after lengthy consultation with his family,hopee the footballing world comes together and donate kindly to this fund.plus it shows our club haven't been completely ignoring the fact a player lost his life.and I know some will say Ibbotson's death should also not be forgotten, and I agree,but to a degree.without his unlawful actions,they would both most likely still be here!
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:07 am
What this statement shows is that lots of comments regarding city were very wide of the mark regarding their involvement with the family and they did not abandoned them as been indicated previously...
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:18 am
And............cue the freak, we know nothing, CCFC Barrristers know nothing, the whole world knows no facts....but the sad man will enlighten us all! Dipshit....
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:21 am
TheHangedMan wrote:And............cue the freak, we know nothing, CCFC Barrristers know nothing, the whole world knows no facts....but the sad man will enlighten us all! Dipshit....

Why mention him?
He hadn't posted on this topic yet, but you've just given him his invitation.
I rest my case.
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:34 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:And............cue the freak, we know nothing, CCFC Barrristers know nothing, the whole world knows no facts....but the sad man will enlighten us all! Dipshit....

Why mention him?
He hadn't posted on this topic yet, but you've just given him his invitation.
I rest my case.
Yes bit silly but tbh doesn't need invitation this is his type of thread he craves.. but you wont see him as it proves him wrong and he doesn't post on such threads
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:58 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:And............cue the freak, we know nothing, CCFC Barrristers know nothing, the whole world knows no facts....but the sad man will enlighten us all! Dipshit....

Why mention him?
He hadn't posted on this topic yet, but you've just given him his invitation.
I rest my case.
Some posters only come on here to argue with it.
There as bad as it.
Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:26 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:And............cue the freak, we know nothing, CCFC Barrristers know nothing, the whole world knows no facts....but the sad man will enlighten us all! Dipshit....

Why mention him?
He hadn't posted on this topic yet, but you've just given him his invitation.
I rest my case.
Indeed Worcester, spot on again.
...and should I have replied, no doubt I would have been blamed for taking it off topic, turning the thread about me, derailing the discussion and a whole host of other nonsense I get bizarrely blamed for.
As it happens I haven’t once said anything about Cardiff’s conduct towards Sala’s family so unsure what this thread has to do with me. My points regarding this case are simple and they are clear and are explained perfectly in the FIFA summary document which mirrors everything I said from day 1.
Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:14 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:And............cue the freak, we know nothing, CCFC Barrristers know nothing, the whole world knows no facts....but the sad man will enlighten us all! Dipshit....

Why mention him?
He hadn't posted on this topic yet, but you've just given him his invitation.
I rest my case.
Why not mention him as the f*cking freak will be on anyway, c'mon FFS the clown doesn't need an invite he's many things but not a vampire
Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:21 am
Meanwhile while back on topic, Once again......
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CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB.[/b]. I salute you
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:46 am
pembroke allan wrote:What this statement shows is that lots of comments regarding city were very wide of the mark regarding their involvement with the family and they did not abandoned them as been indicated previously...

Absolutely spot on Allan.
The pages and pages of City posters talking absolute bollocks on this tragedy is pathetic.
They all know nothing about the intricacies but either think they do, guess or make things up.
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:11 am
What happened to the posters who were saying how the Sala family were angry at Cardiff and just wanted us to pay Nantes.
Lies, lies and more lies to suit agendas.
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:17 am
Calzaghes trainset wrote:What happened to the posters who were saying how the Sala family were angry at Cardiff and just wanted us to pay Nantes.
Lies, lies and more lies to suit agendas.
Exactly!
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:20 am
Calzaghes trainset wrote:What happened to the posters who were saying how the Sala family were angry at Cardiff and just wanted us to pay Nantes.
Lies, lies and more lies to suit agendas.
His Dad was angry, he has since died. His mother also publicly slammed the club.
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Mother of Emiliano Sala demands ‘justice’ and slams Cardiff over ‘disrespect’
Mercedes Taffarel said she ‘demands justice’ after her son died in a plane crash over the English Channel in January, just days after moving to the Premier League club.
Ms Taffarel said Sala had ‘not been taken care of in the way he deserved’ as Cardiff remain locked in a row with his former club Nantes, who are demanding the transfer fee agreed 10 days before his death.
Ms Taffarel said Cardiff’s reluctance to pay the €18 million fee for the striker was a ‘sign of disrespect towards my family’.
Argentine striker Sala, 28, and pilot David Ibbotson died in the Piper PA-46 Malibu plane on January 21. The footballer’s body was identified on February 7.
Speaking to French newspaper L’Equipe, Ms Taffarel said she was ‘angry’ at how Cardiff had treated her son.
She said: ‘They did not take care of him. A player with a transfer cost that high… They did not take care of him in the way that he deserved.’
Demanding ‘justice’ in the transfer fee row, she said her son’s signature was on the contract and said: ‘I do not know why they do not want to pay.’
‘Do I see this as a sign of disrespect towards my family? Yes, I think so. It would have been different if he had not really signed,’ she added.
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:42 pm
Well done Cardiff City FC this is the correct and right thing to do, let us see if others will follow.
Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:13 pm
bluebird-sam wrote:Calzaghes trainset wrote:What happened to the posters who were saying how the Sala family were angry at Cardiff and just wanted us to pay Nantes.
Lies, lies and more lies to suit agendas.
His Dad was angry, he has since died. His mother also publicly slammed the club.
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Mother of Emiliano Sala demands ‘justice’ and slams Cardiff over ‘disrespect’
Mercedes Taffarel said she ‘demands justice’ after her son died in a plane crash over the English Channel in January, just days after moving to the Premier League club.
Ms Taffarel said Sala had ‘not been taken care of in the way he deserved’ as Cardiff remain locked in a row with his former club Nantes, who are demanding the transfer fee agreed 10 days before his death.
Ms Taffarel said Cardiff’s reluctance to pay the €18 million fee for the striker was a ‘sign of disrespect towards my family’.
Argentine striker Sala, 28, and pilot David Ibbotson died in the Piper PA-46 Malibu plane on January 21. The footballer’s body was identified on February 7.
Speaking to French newspaper L’Equipe, Ms Taffarel said she was ‘angry’ at how Cardiff had treated her son.
She said: ‘They did not take care of him. A player with a transfer cost that high… They did not take care of him in the way that he deserved.’
Demanding ‘justice’ in the transfer fee row, she said her son’s signature was on the contract and said: ‘I do not know why they do not want to pay.’
‘Do I see this as a sign of disrespect towards my family? Yes, I think so. It would have been different if he had not really signed,’ she added.
Alot has changed since then I bet they want to know the details of how McKay and nantes treated sala like meat
Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:53 pm
i haven't seen this in the press or world news unlike the shit to attack us with then always in the press and the news .
Its time things like this is put out all we here is the anti English songs we sing when we boo their bloody national anthem.
But when we have unfair press all the time nothing is said or removed the truth is there is far more anti Cardiff City or welsh press all the time.
Plus I think when there is a ref who is going through a bad time and cant do his job any more they send him to a home game at Cardiff I understand I am a bit paranoid but after the refs we have down Cardiff I have a case and it is not me being paranoid
But I feel Cardiff have been treated very unfair on this whole case , clearly something stinks about all this sad case about Sala and this poor kid deserved to live and he didn't because of greedy people and the agent is one and a club who wanted his money and not him that is nantes and they are still using this b*stard and he should be in jail
Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:54 pm
bluebird-sam wrote:Calzaghes trainset wrote:What happened to the posters who were saying how the Sala family were angry at Cardiff and just wanted us to pay Nantes.
Lies, lies and more lies to suit agendas.
His Dad was angry, he has since died. His mother also publicly slammed the club.
........
Mother of Emiliano Sala demands ‘justice’ and slams Cardiff over ‘disrespect’
Mercedes Taffarel said she ‘demands justice’ after her son died in a plane crash over the English Channel in January, just days after moving to the Premier League club.
Ms Taffarel said Sala had ‘not been taken care of in the way he deserved’ as Cardiff remain locked in a row with his former club Nantes, who are demanding the transfer fee agreed 10 days before his death.
Ms Taffarel said Cardiff’s reluctance to pay the €18 million fee for the striker was a ‘sign of disrespect towards my family’.
Argentine striker Sala, 28, and pilot David Ibbotson died in the Piper PA-46 Malibu plane on January 21. The footballer’s body was identified on February 7.
Speaking to French newspaper L’Equipe, Ms Taffarel said she was ‘angry’ at how Cardiff had treated her son.
She said: ‘They did not take care of him. A player with a transfer cost that high… They did not take care of him in the way that he deserved.’
Demanding ‘justice’ in the transfer fee row, she said her son’s signature was on the contract and said: ‘I do not know why they do not want to pay.’
‘Do I see this as a sign of disrespect towards my family? Yes, I think so. It would have been different if he had not really signed,’ she added.
yes I read this at the time.. it has upset , very raw and lashing out written all over it...which is normal I think ?
and having read your thoughts on this { some which I agree with } I know you do not agree with everything she has said there..
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:54 am
dogfound wrote:yes I read this at the time.. it has upset , very raw and lashing out written all over it...which is normal I think ?
and having read your thoughts on this { some which I agree with } I know you do not agree with everything she has said there..
Which part are you referring to? I don’t see a great deal that I disagree with in her comments after a quick glance.
I just posted that as the thread started to turn an odd direction with people erasing history and calling people “liars” who have previously stated the family were upset with Cardiff. They aren’t liars, they were stating the truth.
Cardiff have now set up a trust fund for him, so of course his Mum is going to be on board with it. Can you imagine how scary it is for her, her husband and son dying within a year. I’m not sure what she does for a living but that household income has taken a huge hit as well as the safety net that Emiliano provided from overseas. South America is not the greatest place to live with limited money.
Emiliano would have wanted his family looked after, which wasn’t going to happen if Cardiff refused ownership. Thankfully they seem to have given up on the “he was never ours” stance recently and have started making very small positive steps. All they need to do now is drop the cases, pay the money and the family can get what they deserve through the player life insurance deals that I assume every player has.
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:35 am
bluebird-sam wrote:dogfound wrote:yes I read this at the time.. it has upset , very raw and lashing out written all over it...which is normal I think ?
and having read your thoughts on this { some which I agree with } I know you do not agree with everything she has said there..
Which part are you referring to? I don’t see a great deal that I disagree with in her comments after a quick glance.
I just posted that as the thread started to turn an odd direction with people erasing history and calling people “liars” who have previously stated the family were upset with Cardiff. They aren’t liars, they were stating the truth.
Cardiff have now set up a trust fund for him, so of course his Mum is going to be on board with it. Can you imagine how scary it is for her, her husband and son dying within a year. I’m not sure what she does for a living but that household income has taken a huge hit as well as the safety net that Emiliano provided from overseas. South America is not the greatest place to live with limited money.
Emiliano would have wanted his family looked after, which wasn’t going to happen if Cardiff refused ownership. Thankfully they seem to have given up on the “he was never ours” stance recently and have started making very small positive steps. All they need to do now is drop the cases, pay the money and the family can get what they deserve through the player life insurance deals that I assume every player has.
Yes every player as insurance its (mandatory)
But apparently no insurance done by city because paper work for his signing was sent back to FA and insurance not completed, so who pays the insurance money nante? Because he is insured by the cub hes registered for And as he was not insured by city it's not their insurance who will pay ....But I know you'll tell us which insurance company will pay up with your expert inside knowledge....
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:40 am
pembroke allan wrote:Yes every player as insurance its (mandatory)
But apparently no insurance done by city because paper work for his signing was sent back to FA and insurance not completed, so who pays the insurance money nante? Because he is insured by the cub hes registered for And as he was not insured by city it's not their insurance who will pay ....But I know you'll tell us which insurance company will pay up with your expert inside knowledge....

Nothing was sent back to the FA, all documents perfectly valid.
What you are referring to is Premier League registration, which has no impact on anything. All players have (or should have) life insurance. But that makes no difference in terms of transfer fee, that clearly was not insured.
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:45 am
bluebird-sam wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Yes every player as insurance its (mandatory)
But apparently no insurance done by city because paper work for his signing was sent back to FA and insurance not completed, so who pays the insurance money nante? Because he is insured by the cub hes registered for And as he was not insured by city it's not their insurance who will pay ....But I know you'll tell us which insurance company will pay up with your expert inside knowledge....

Nothing was sent back to the FA, all documents perfectly valid.
What you are referring to is Premier League registration, which has no impact on anything. All players have (or should have) life insurance. But that makes no difference in terms of transfer fee, that clearly was not insured.
So who's insurance company is paying out as you've said one will in your post? He may have his own life insurance but would that pay up without knowing who if anyone is responsible for his death

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Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:49 am
pembroke allan wrote:So who's insurance company is paying out as you've said one will in your post? He may have his own life insurance but would that pay up without knowing who if anyone is responsible for his death

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Whichever company looks after the life insurance of the players, the club should have a blanket policy for all their employees.
Who is to blame isn't relevant, as long as it wasn't murder or suicide (of which we can safely say it wasn't) then the life insurance should hold firm. Depends what the clauses are I guess.
In terms of the fee, that clearly isn't insured hence why Dalman made the comments regarding bankruptcy should they be made to pay.
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:55 am
bluebird-sam wrote:pembroke allan wrote:So who's insurance company is paying out as you've said one will in your post? He may have his own life insurance but would that pay up without knowing who if anyone is responsible for his death

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Whichever company looks after the life insurance of the players, the club should have a blanket policy for all their employees.
Who is to blame isn't relevant, as long as it wasn't murder or suicide (of which we can safely say it wasn't) then the life insurance should hold firm. Depends what the clauses are I guess.
In terms of the fee, that clearly isn't insured hence why Dalman made the comments regarding bankruptcy should they be made to pay.
But he was not insured by city that as been widely discussed here! I know fee is not part of player insurance ...
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:57 am
pembroke allan wrote:
But he was not insured by city that as been widely discussed here! I know fee is not part of player insurance ...
The insurance being widely discussed is not life insurance, its asset protection.
Life insurance will (or should) be a policy that covers ALL employees at the club, not just players.
The lack of insurance discussed is that which covers the book value of the player. This is what clearly was not taken out in time. Hence Dalman's comments - and the dispute as a whole which just simply would not exist if he was insured.
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:00 pm
bluebird-sam wrote:pembroke allan wrote:
But he was not insured by city that as been widely discussed here! I know fee is not part of player insurance ...
The insurance being widely discussed is not life insurance, its asset protection.
Life insurance will (or should) be a policy that covers ALL employees at the club, not just players.
The lack of insurance discussed is that which covers the book value of the player. This is what clearly was not taken out in time. Hence Dalman's comments - and the dispute as a whole which just simply would not exist if he was insured.
If you say do cant be arsed to argue with someone who side steps better than bamby on ice! You have a bad day...
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:00 pm
bluebird-sam wrote:pembroke allan wrote:
But he was not insured by city that as been widely discussed here! I know fee is not part of player insurance ...
The insurance being widely discussed is not life insurance, its asset protection.
Life insurance will (or should) be a policy that covers ALL employees at the club, not just players.
The lack of insurance discussed is that which covers the book value of the player. This is what clearly was not taken out in time. Hence Dalman's comments - and the dispute as a whole which just simply would not exist if he was insured.
Hey roathie
Zzzz zzz
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:04 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-sam wrote:pembroke allan wrote:
But he was not insured by city that as been widely discussed here! I know fee is not part of player insurance ...
The insurance being widely discussed is not life insurance, its asset protection.
Life insurance will (or should) be a policy that covers ALL employees at the club, not just players.
The lack of insurance discussed is that which covers the book value of the player. This is what clearly was not taken out in time. Hence Dalman's comments - and the dispute as a whole which just simply would not exist if he was insured.
If you say do cant be arsed to argue with someone who side steps better than bamby on ice! You have a bad day...

I don’t understand what that means.
You asked me some questions and I answered them for you.
Was I not supposed to?
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:00 pm
Here we go again....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:24 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Here we go again....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Its rather hard to have discussion with anyone who is never wrong who complicates answers so much the point of the original question is lost and seldom answered .... he gives answers with documents that are available to everyone but he doesnt grasp fact that people on here are not interested in his interpretation of what they say but form own opinion, people dont want to be told they are wrong in everything they say? It really is pointless debating something knowing that you can never be right and he cannot be wrong in his own mind that is.......
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