"If" Swansea beat us.....

This is a question for Cardiff fans only... let's see if certain posters understand English.

If Swansea beat us next Sunday, and beat us with ease . I can see there will be protests to get Harris out.
The QPR game was very bad. No fight, urgency, shape or tactics.
We lose to Swansea and they also get the first double, how long do you think Harris will last?

I predict a riot!

Not sure any manager would get the best out of these players. If Harris was to go, who would come in?

Watching swansea tonight on the box riping charlton apart one touch football and speed fear the worse looking at our effort yesterday.

Watching swansea tonight on the box riping charlton apart one touch football and speed fear the worse looking at our effort yesterday.

So that's against charlton who have had their chances but poor efforts with headers! Swansea do look vulnerable in air though... swans 8 shots 2 on target the goal a bad deflection as well.. must remember no two games are alike and how Swansea play tonight doesnt mean sfa come our game

PEMBROKE ALLAN

I agree it will be a derby game but looking at both games we looked like a sunday league team at qpr

if the jacks beat us i think harris will not last much longer maybe one or two games at most.

PEMBROKE ALLAN

I agree it will be a derby game but looking at both games we looked like a sunday league team at qpr

Definitely did look like Sunday league.....but tbh game is on tonight i but lost interest after 20mins though so watching liverpool instead... as for the derby dont expect it to be anything like previous game

I don’t care if we just park the bus. We CANNOT lose to them because that’ll be the first derby double ever. We’ll never live it down. We’ve seen some horrible terrible boring performances recently, even in the premier, the only home side ever to not get a shot on target (v Huddersfield) so I don’t care if it’s the worst yet as long as we don’t get beat. Get this game out of the way first then try to improve and right the wrongs of the QPR debacle.

Watching swansea tonight on the box riping charlton apart one touch football and speed fear the worse looking at our effort yesterday.

Going on their 2nd half performance they were in trouble and under pressure for most of it and lucky not to concede just the poor last ball from Charlton saved them. So we've not lost game yet!

If there’s one game that’s about the result and not the performance at this moment in time then this it it!

Cardiff - Must Not Lose to Swansea - History will be made

Not sure any manager would get the best out of these players. If Harris was to go, who would come in?

Yes

It’s the squad Warnock has left us. Any manager would struggle, the only way to try and get points is to play Warnockball. Harris deserves criticism for Saturday, but the players deserve more and they are not his.

Not sure any manager would get the best out of these players. If Harris was to go, who would come in?

Yes

It’s the squad Warnock has left us. Any manager would struggle, the only way to try and get points is to play Warnockball. Harris deserves criticism for Saturday, but the players deserve more and they are not his.

Football’s a funny ol game!

Harris leaving will have no effect at all.

You need to understand your predicament. You are in an incredibly technical league. You have a team full of ageing Warnock cloggers, some others like Flint signed on long contracts and lots of money.

The squad you have isn’t going to be an attractive prospect for someone who knows they are incapable of playing the managers style. Which means you will be shoehorned into signing another Warnock type manager to enable that physical style to continue. In short, nothing will change.

The logistics of moving players on and bringing them in is incredible, especially when you are doing a whole squad. This isn’t even mentioning the financials.. people are moaning about there being no money to spend now, well there certainly won’t be any if the club has to shell out on severance packages for a 3 year contract for the manager and all his staff.

Harris leaving will have no effect at all.

You need to understand your predicament. You are in an incredibly technical league. You have a team full of ageing Warnock cloggers, some others like Flint signed on long contracts and lots of money.

The squad you have isn’t going to be an attractive prospect for someone who knows they are incapable of playing the managers style. Which means you will be shoehorned into signing another Warnock type manager to enable that physical style to continue. In short, nothing will change.

The logistics of moving players on and bringing them in is incredible, especially when you are doing a whole squad. This isn’t even mentioning the financials.. people are moaning about there being no money to spend now, well there certainly won’t be any if the club has to shell out on severance packages for a 3 year contract for the manager and all his staff.

to be a professional footballer you have to be exceptionally good. its not a case of popping down Ashley road and picking up a few cloggers from Treborth 3rds. these boys went to academies up and down the country and played using various tactics for various managers..Christ some leave on international duty now and play in different systems with different tactics..
and I thought you used to play football yourself in Llandeilo ?

Harris leaving will have no effect at all.

You need to understand your predicament. You are in an incredibly technical league. You have a team full of ageing Warnock cloggers, some others like Flint signed on long contracts and lots of money.

The squad you have isn’t going to be an attractive prospect for someone who knows they are incapable of playing the managers style. Which means you will be shoehorned into signing another Warnock type manager to enable that physical style to continue. In short, nothing will change.

The logistics of moving players on and bringing them in is incredible, especially when you are doing a whole squad. This isn’t even mentioning the financials.. people are moaning about there being no money to spend now, well there certainly won’t be any if the club has to shell out on severance packages for a 3 year contract for the manager and all his staff.

to be a professional footballer you have to be exceptionally good. its not a case of popping down Ashley road and picking up a few cloggers from Treborth 3rds. these boys went to academies up and down the country and played using various tactics for various managers..Christ some leave on international duty now and play in different systems with different tactics..
and I thought you used to play football yourself in Llandeilo ?

But they are professionals and stood out at the level they were playing because they could play that type of game and were valuable in a set up like that, to think that means they can play any style or system is just nonsense really. Stick Messi up front and slam long balls up to him, the greatest player of all time in all probability, yet would struggle.

I’m sure Flint can pass a ball, I’m not suggesting otherwise - but when asked to do it to the level of his technical peers at this level is quite something else and will quickly be found out against the high press. “Footballing center back” is a relatively newly coined phrase - that’s because it is relatively rare (but emerging), footballing goalkeeper too for that matter, that’s not to say defenders and keepers couldn’t play football before however, just not the required standard to play at that high technical level over long periods of time.

So to come into a team that has been put together due to their physical and long ball attributes, and expect them to now play on the same passing and technical level as the rest of the league (which their squads are specifically assembled to play that way) is footballing suicide.

Harris leaving will have no effect at all.

You need to understand your predicament. You are in an incredibly technical league. You have a team full of ageing Warnock cloggers, some others like Flint signed on long contracts and lots of money.

The squad you have isn’t going to be an attractive prospect for someone who knows they are incapable of playing the managers style. Which means you will be shoehorned into signing another Warnock type manager to enable that physical style to continue. In short, nothing will change.

The logistics of moving players on and bringing them in is incredible, especially when you are doing a whole squad. This isn’t even mentioning the financials.. people are moaning about there being no money to spend now, well there certainly won’t be any if the club has to shell out on severance packages for a 3 year contract for the manager and all his staff.

to be a professional footballer you have to be exceptionally good. its not a case of popping down Ashley road and picking up a few cloggers from Treborth 3rds. these boys went to academies up and down the country and played using various tactics for various managers..Christ some leave on international duty now and play in different systems with different tactics..
and I thought you used to play football yourself in Llandeilo ?

But they are professionals and stood out at the level they were playing because they could play that type of game and were valuable in a set up like that, to think that means they can play any style or system is just nonsense really. Stick Messi up front and slam long balls up to him, the greatest player of all time in all probability, yet would struggle.

I’m sure Flint can pass a ball, I’m not suggesting otherwise - but when asked to do it to the level of his technical peers at this level is quite something else and will quickly be found out against the high press. “Footballing center back” is a relatively newly coined phrase - that’s because it is relatively rare (but emerging), footballing goalkeeper too for that matter, that’s not to say defenders and keepers couldn’t play football before however, just not the required standard to play at that high technical level over long periods of time.

So to come into a team that has been put together due to their physical and long ball attributes, and expect them to now play on the same passing and technical level as the rest of the league (which their squads are specifically assembled to play that way) is footballing suicide.

footballing center back is a relatively newly coined phrase....I take that as being NEW to you...

No, new to the game. Van Dijk is often credited as the first real footballing center back that will spark a trend which is expected to become the norm as a result. For example you can put him in midfield and even up front (I think Liverpool did play him up front in the past) and he would fare fine. There have of course been the odd example before him such as Rio or even Ashley Williams to some extent, but both were still limited in the technical department compared to the technical abilities of their midfield counterparts.

If you understand the term footballing center back then I’m unsure what you are confused about regarding making a team that has been assembled due to their physical strengths and assume that if a manager wants them to pass the ball they will match that of their league counterparts whose strengths are their technical ability, when all evidence thus far points to them being extremely limited in that department. It’s one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on this forum to be honest, and there has been many.

No, new to the game. Van Dijk is often credited as the first real footballing center back that will spark a trend which is expected to become the norm as a result. For example you can put him in midfield and even up front (I think Liverpool did play him up front in the past) and he would fare fine. There have of course been the odd example before him such as Rio or even Ashley Williams to some extent, but both were still limited in the technical department compared to the technical abilities of their midfield counterparts.

If you understand the term footballing center back then I’m unsure what you are confused about regarding making a team that has been assembled due to their physical strengths and assume that if a manager wants them to pass the ball they will match that of their league counterparts whose strengths are their technical ability, when all evidence thus far points to them being extremely limited in that department. It’s one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on this forum to be honest, and there has been many.

im not confused, well I am actually but not about footballing centre backs ..are you a very very new fan or just extremely young..?
I thought you were an adult and credited you with having a little bit of football knowledge...
these last 2 post show next to none...
Van Dijk is the first footballing center back...waw.. no doubt Boris is the first prime minister as well eh..
Adam would never have fallen for that, and had he, well there would be a meltdown...he was extremely odd but not this stupid.

No, new to the game. Van Dijk is often credited as the first real footballing center back that will spark a trend which is expected to become the norm as a result. For example you can put him in midfield and even up front (I think Liverpool did play him up front in the past) and he would fare fine. There have of course been the odd example before him such as Rio or even Ashley Williams to some extent, but both were still limited in the technical department compared to the technical abilities of their midfield counterparts.

If you understand the term footballing center back then I’m unsure what you are confused about regarding making a team that has been assembled due to their physical strengths and assume that if a manager wants them to pass the ball they will match that of their league counterparts whose strengths are their technical ability, when all evidence thus far points to them being extremely limited in that department. It’s one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on this forum to be honest, and there has been many.

im not confused, well I am actually but not about footballing centre backs ..are you a very very new fan or just extremely young..?
I thought you were an adult and credited you with having a little bit of football knowledge...
these last 2 post show next to none...
Van Dijk is the first footballing center back...waw.. no doubt Boris is the first prime minister as well eh..
Adam would never have fallen for that, and had he, well there would be a meltdown...he was extremely odd but not this stupid.

So you misread and misunderstand a post, get it explained to you, but decide to continue that line anyway. Only dogfound eh? I have put the full un-doctored quote you are using to fraudulently dig yourself out of the hold you have dug in bold and red and even underlined it for you.

So due to the technical nature of the game nowadays Van Dijk is widely credited as the first footballing center back that will spark a trend, for clarity. In my next sentence I even said that of course there have been footballing center backs before but it has never been a global standard, that’s because teams could get away with also playing other ways.

Which is why your point that “they are professionals so should be able to play any style” is akin to the thinking of a school child that lacks the intricate knowledge of the game. If you ask Flint and co to change to a short passing game (which isn’t their strength), do you honestly think they would be able to compete with their peers which have been brought into these teams because of that exact technical strength?

You make it sound like an early version of football computer games where all 11 players do the same thing. This isn’t a computer game dogfound, it’s real life. Football is often won and lost on fine details, and bringing in physical cloggers and then telling them to play tiki-taka and expecting to compete with the rest of the league is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen in this forum, truly.

I live and learn, I thought the bloke on my first real football boots was the first ball playing centre half, Franz Beckenbauer

We are not a million miles away from what we can be. Being a piss poor Swansea, Brentford or Barsnley will get us no higher than those teams. WBA or Leeds do not play like those three teams either, they get the ball forward much quicker.

I loathe to admit it, but i love watching Leeds, its not pass for pass sake.

Football is a simple game, its not a pass percentage or even shots on goal, its about scoring one more than the opposition. We have been promoted twice with miserly defences.

If Swansea beat us, its not the end of the world. Not many wanted Harris, but few believed this was a top 2 under performing squad. Pack and Flint on paper both looked OK signings, both are championship players, its the combinations they work in that are not working.

Football moves quickly, but in the English game you need power and pace as well as footballing ability, as you go higher the more you need.
Two season ago we had power, pace and a miserly defence. This season in some games we don't even have one of those elements.
Harris hasn't made us worse, but he has not made us better either.

I live and learn, I thought the bloke on my first real football boots was the first ball playing centre half, Franz Beckenbauer

The calling card of the people that are scared to enter a debate is to selectively snip a quote in order to change its meaning and then reply to it as if it were complete. What’s funny about that is you aren’t the first one to try that in this thread

So I’ll assume you think Franz Beckenbauer sparked a global standard of footballing center backs? Well I hate to tell you but he clearly didn’t, hence why we have decades of cloggers in this country.

It’s only the last 5-10 years that the footballing centre back and goalkeeper have become something of a global standard (of which Van Dijk is the poster boy for) that has slowly filtered its way from top down to the bottom, currently the championship is now more technically driven than it has ever been, which is why Warnock had no hope this year and why Harris is also up against it as QPR showed you.

You have a long way to go before you can reach the technical standards of these teams as you need to overhaul your squad, which is expensive, timely and a logistical nightmare.

So in that sense you are quite far from the teams you mentioned.

Harris leaving will have no effect at all.

You need to understand your predicament. You are in an incredibly technical league. You have a team full of ageing Warnock cloggers, some others like Flint signed on long contracts and lots of money.

The squad you have isn’t going to be an attractive prospect for someone who knows they are incapable of playing the managers style. Which means you will be shoehorned into signing another Warnock type manager to enable that physical style to continue. In short, nothing will change.

The logistics of moving players on and bringing them in is incredible, especially when you are doing a whole squad. This isn’t even mentioning the financials.. people are moaning about there being no money to spend now, well there certainly won’t be any if the club has to shell out on severance packages for a 3 year contract for the manager and all his staff.

to be a professional footballer you have to be exceptionally good. its not a case of popping down Ashley road and picking up a few cloggers from Treborth 3rds. these boys went to academies up and down the country and played using various tactics for various managers..Christ some leave on international duty now and play in different systems with different tactics..
and I thought you used to play football yourself in Llandeilo ?

Don't bite that's all he wants, ignore the prick!

I know he's talking shit, you know he's talking shit, he knows he's talking shit don't bite

Harris leaving will have no effect at all.

You need to understand your predicament. You are in an incredibly technical league. You have a team full of ageing Warnock cloggers, some others like Flint signed on long contracts and lots of money.

The squad you have isn’t going to be an attractive prospect for someone who knows they are incapable of playing the managers style. Which means you will be shoehorned into signing another Warnock type manager to enable that physical style to continue. In short, nothing will change.

The logistics of moving players on and bringing them in is incredible, especially when you are doing a whole squad. This isn’t even mentioning the financials.. people are moaning about there being no money to spend now, well there certainly won’t be any if the club has to shell out on severance packages for a 3 year contract for the manager and all his staff.

Fack off Roathie

No, new to the game. Van Dijk is often credited as the first real footballing center back that will spark a trend which is expected to become the norm as a result. For example you can put him in midfield and even up front (I think Liverpool did play him up front in the past) and he would fare fine. There have of course been the odd example before him such as Rio or even Ashley Williams to some extent, but both were still limited in the technical department compared to the technical abilities of their midfield counterparts.

If you understand the term footballing center back then I’m unsure what you are confused about regarding making a team that has been assembled due to their physical strengths and assume that if a manager wants them to pass the ball they will match that of their league counterparts whose strengths are their technical ability, when all evidence thus far points to them being extremely limited in that department. It’s one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on this forum to be honest, and there has been many.

im not confused, well I am actually but not about footballing centre backs ..are you a very very new fan or just extremely young..?
I thought you were an adult and credited you with having a little bit of football knowledge...
these last 2 post show next to none...
Van Dijk is the first footballing center back...waw.. no doubt Boris is the first prime minister as well eh..
Adam would never have fallen for that, and had he, well there would be a meltdown...he was extremely odd but not this stupid.

So you misread and misunderstand a post, get it explained to you, but decide to continue that line anyway. Only dogfound eh? I have put the full un-doctored quote you are using to fraudulently dig yourself out of the hold you have dug in bold and red and even underlined it for you.

So due to the technical nature of the game nowadays Van Dijk is widely credited as the first footballing center back that will spark a trend, for clarity. In my next sentence I even said that of course there have been footballing center backs before but it has never been a global standard, that’s because teams could get away with also playing other ways.

Which is why your point that “they are professionals so should be able to play any style” is akin to the thinking of a school child that lacks the intricate knowledge of the game. If you ask Flint and co to change to a short passing game (which isn’t their strength), do you honestly think they would be able to compete with their peers which have been brought into these teams because of that exact technical strength?

You make it sound like an early version of football computer games where all 11 players do the same thing. This isn’t a computer game dogfound, it’s real life. Football is often won and lost on fine details, and bringing in physical cloggers and then telling them to play tiki-taka and expecting to compete with the rest of the league is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen in this forum, truly.

mate..if your genuinely a jack, you know full well that when you adopted the 8 million passes in your ownhalf game,. you had a bunch of second rate donkeys in the middle of it..so I suggest you contact the managers of the time with a detailed dossier of how they got it wrong...you could also do a piece on PS telling them how misguided theyve all been..

Harris leaving will have no effect at all.

You need to understand your predicament. You are in an incredibly technical league. You have a team full of ageing Warnock cloggers, some others like Flint signed on long contracts and lots of money.

The squad you have isn’t going to be an attractive prospect for someone who knows they are incapable of playing the managers style. Which means you will be shoehorned into signing another Warnock type manager to enable that physical style to continue. In short, nothing will change.

The logistics of moving players on and bringing them in is incredible, especially when you are doing a whole squad. This isn’t even mentioning the financials.. people are moaning about there being no money to spend now, well there certainly won’t be any if the club has to shell out on severance packages for a 3 year contract for the manager and all his staff.

to be a professional footballer you have to be exceptionally good. its not a case of popping down Ashley road and picking up a few cloggers from Treborth 3rds. these boys went to academies up and down the country and played using various tactics for various managers..Christ some leave on international duty now and play in different systems with different tactics..
and I thought you used to play football yourself in Llandeilo ?

Don't bite that's all he wants, ignore the prick!

I know he's talking shit, you know he's talking shit, he knows he's talking shit don't bite

Which bit do you disagree with then? Please God don’t tell me you also think that a professional footballer can play any style simply because they are a professional?

It isn’t about being able to, it’s being able to do it at the same level as your peers. If all professionals could do anything then just grab any 11 pros and get out on the field and win the league. Doesn’t matter what position they play surely, anyone can play anywhere and any style? Everyone should be able to one touch pass, have vision, shoot. Give Hoilett a bash at center back and stop Flint on the wing. They are pros and their footballing ability is shared equally across all disciplines right?

No, new to the game. Van Dijk is often credited as the first real footballing center back that will spark a trend which is expected to become the norm as a result. For example you can put him in midfield and even up front (I think Liverpool did play him up front in the past) and he would fare fine. There have of course been the odd example before him such as Rio or even Ashley Williams to some extent, but both were still limited in the technical department compared to the technical abilities of their midfield counterparts.

If you understand the term footballing center back then I’m unsure what you are confused about regarding making a team that has been assembled due to their physical strengths and assume that if a manager wants them to pass the ball they will match that of their league counterparts whose strengths are their technical ability, when all evidence thus far points to them being extremely limited in that department. It’s one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on this forum to be honest, and there has been many.

im not confused, well I am actually but not about footballing centre backs ..are you a very very new fan or just extremely young..?
I thought you were an adult and credited you with having a little bit of football knowledge...
these last 2 post show next to none...
Van Dijk is the first footballing center back...waw.. no doubt Boris is the first prime minister as well eh..
Adam would never have fallen for that, and had he, well there would be a meltdown...he was extremely odd but not this stupid.

So you misread and misunderstand a post, get it explained to you, but decide to continue that line anyway. Only dogfound eh? I have put the full un-doctored quote you are using to fraudulently dig yourself out of the hold you have dug in bold and red and even underlined it for you.

So due to the technical nature of the game nowadays Van Dijk is widely credited as the first footballing center back that will spark a trend, for clarity. In my next sentence I even said that of course there have been footballing center backs before but it has never been a global standard, that’s because teams could get away with also playing other ways.

Which is why your point that “they are professionals so should be able to play any style” is akin to the thinking of a school child that lacks the intricate knowledge of the game. If you ask Flint and co to change to a short passing game (which isn’t their strength), do you honestly think they would be able to compete with their peers which have been brought into these teams because of that exact technical strength?

You make it sound like an early version of football computer games where all 11 players do the same thing. This isn’t a computer game dogfound, it’s real life. Football is often won and lost on fine details, and bringing in physical cloggers and then telling them to play tiki-taka and expecting to compete with the rest of the league is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen in this forum, truly.

mate..if your genuinely a jack, you know full well that when you adopted the 8 million passes in your ownhalf game,. you had a bunch of second rate donkeys in the middle of it..so I suggest you contact the managers of the time with a detailed dossier of how they got it wrong...you could also do a piece on PS telling them how misguided theyve all been..

We had Leon Britton, Joe Allen and Nathan Dyer in midfield. All three excelled in the Premier League for almost a decade.

You sound very bitter.

The jacks have a dodgy defence with no one of note, apparently there worst midfield ever and limited strikers if Baston is anything to go by. Ayew is there main threat and if Harris doesn’t know this we are in trouble. He could even be gone by the time we play them as they cannot afford him. Never been a better chance to beat them, not that means shiiit with ccfc at the moment. Anything could happen.

The jacks have a dodgy defence with no one of note, apparently there worst midfield ever and limited strikers if Baston is anything to go by. Ayew is there main threat and if Harris doesn’t know this we are in trouble. He could even be gone by the time we play them as they cannot afford him. Never been a better chance to beat them, not that means shiiit with ccfc at the moment. Anything could happen.

I think you find Swansea have conceded 10 less goals