Disgusting Welcome for our New Manager

I have never in all my time of supporting Cardiff seen a welcome as poor as this for a new manager, and I for one am disgusted with it

We need to put things into perspective:

1. We are not a top side who attracts big names, and we won't be until we have a level of success and consistency (Probably mid table Premier over a couple of years).

2. I hear people calling for someone of the same ilk as an Allardyce, Redknapp, Hughton in some footballing capacity at the club. These guys have history of spending lots, costing lots, and with no guarantee of success - Maybe a recipe for disaster, be cautious what you wish for.

3. I love what Warnock has done for the club as a whole, but many have questioned his transfer record, lack of use of big spend players, the way we have set ourselves up (Formation), hoofball etc. I repeat overall Warnock has done so much for our club, for which I am eternally grateful.

4. Would a Lampard, Gerrard, or someone similar join us? With regard the 2 named absolutely not, is there someone out there that might have the same stature - Yes probably, but they either haven't been tried and tested or have failed, again a massive risk which could undo all the good work that that has been put in place.

As a replacement for Warnock, I do not know who would be the best option but what I do know is that others are better positioned to make an informed decision as to who would be the potential best fit for our club.

People talk about Harris negatively, but he did amazing at Millwall with the resources available. Everybody is assuming that he is a 'Hoofball' expert, but did you stop to think that he set Millwall up this way because that might have been the best and most effective solution in his mind because of the available resources.

He is a young Manager, who might end up being our Mesiah or could be an absolute disaster, time will tell. He might create the dynasty we have all been craving for, our competitors have taken chances with unproven up and coming managers, let's hope eh?

To sum it up, the appointment doesn't excite me, but neither did any of the options in the bookies list. The only 2 Managers we have recruited which excited me was OGS and Warnock, to me one was an absolute disaster and the other provided limited unexpected success.

You all can moan and groan as much as you want, this is your entitlement, but I have never seen negativity on this level.

Neil you are welcome as our Manager, and now part of our family. I am sure you will give it your best, and hopefully you can get the fans on board quickly (Our fans are very fickle, so be prepared).

Welcome and, for all our sakes, I wish you every success and long term future with our club.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I have never in all my time of supporting Cardiff seen a welcome as poor as this for a new manager, and I for one am disgusted with it

We need to put things into perspective:

1. We are not a top side who attracts big names, and we won't be until we have a level of success and consistency (Probably mid table Premier over a couple of years).

2. I hear people calling for someone of the same ilk as an Allardyce, Redknapp, Hughton in some footballing capacity at the club. These guys have history of spending lots, costing lots, and with no guarantee of success - Maybe a recipe for disaster, be cautious what you wish for.

3. I love what Warnock has done for the club as a whole, but many have questioned his transfer record, lack of use of big spend players, the way we have set ourselves up (Formation), hoofball etc. I repeat overall Warnock has done so much for our club, for which I am eternally grateful.

4. Would a Lampard, Gerrard, or someone similar join us? With regard the 2 named absolutely not, is there someone out there that might have the same stature - Yes probably, but they either haven't been tried and tested or have failed, again a massive risk which could undo all the good work that that has been put in place.

As a replacement for Warnock, I do not know who would be the best option but what I do know is that others are better positioned to make an informed decision as to who would be the potential best fit for our club.

People talk about Harris negatively, but he did amazing at Millwall with the resources available. Everybody is assuming that he is a 'Hoofball' expert, but did you stop to think that he set Millwall up this way because that might have been the best and most effective solution in his mind because of the available resources.

He is a young Manager, who might end up being our Mesiah or could be an absolute disaster, time will tell. He might create the dynasty we have all been craving for, our competitors have taken chances with unproven up and coming managers, let's hope eh?

To sum it up, the appointment doesn't excite me, but neither did any of the options in the bookies list. The only 2 Managers we have recruited which excited me was OGS and Warnock, to me one was an absolute disaster and the other provided limited unexpected success.

You all can moan and groan as much as you want, this is your entitlement, but I have never seen negativity on this level.

Neil you are welcome as our Manager, and now part of our family. I am sure you will give it your best, and hopefully you can get the fans on board quickly (Our fans are very fickle, so be prepared).

Welcome and, for all our sakes, I wish you every success and long term future with our club.

I agree with all of your points. Unfortunately, you only have to read through the first page of this forum to see that some fans must be living in a parallel universe or something. Reading some of the posts you begin to wonder if we are bigger than Barcelona, and should be up there fighting it out with Liverpool and Man City. A lot of our fans also question the owner and some want him out for lacking ambition. We also therefore have some fans with selective hearing. I'm not sure Tan has ever lied to us fans. We may not agree with him all the time, but he has always been up front, and we were never going to be in the market for a big name manager who would expect to make some big name signings if he were to come here. Debt free and self sufficient are words that Tan has said previously, and that suggests being prudent where costs are concerned. We ended up with the manager a lot of us thought would probably be here, and the manager who the forum owner said would be coming here early last week. Just listening and paying attention to what Tan and Dalman have to say is usually a good indicator on what we can expect at the club.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

I have never in all my time of supporting Cardiff seen a welcome as poor as this for a new manager, and I for one am disgusted with it

We need to put things into perspective:

1. We are not a top side who attracts big names, and we won't be until we have a level of success and consistency (Probably mid table Premier over a couple of years).

2. I hear people calling for someone of the same ilk as an Allardyce, Redknapp, Hughton in some footballing capacity at the club. These guys have history of spending lots, costing lots, and with no guarantee of success - Maybe a recipe for disaster, be cautious what you wish for.

3. I love what Warnock has done for the club as a whole, but many have questioned his transfer record, lack of use of big spend players, the way we have set ourselves up (Formation), hoofball etc. I repeat overall Warnock has done so much for our club, for which I am eternally grateful.

4. Would a Lampard, Gerrard, or someone similar join us? With regard the 2 named absolutely not, is there someone out there that might have the same stature - Yes probably, but they either haven't been tried and tested or have failed, again a massive risk which could undo all the good work that that has been put in place.

As a replacement for Warnock, I do not know who would be the best option but what I do know is that others are better positioned to make an informed decision as to who would be the potential best fit for our club.

People talk about Harris negatively, but he did amazing at Millwall with the resources available. Everybody is assuming that he is a 'Hoofball' expert, but did you stop to think that he set Millwall up this way because that might have been the best and most effective solution in his mind because of the available resources.

He is a young Manager, who might end up being our Mesiah or could be an absolute disaster, time will tell. He might create the dynasty we have all been craving for, our competitors have taken chances with unproven up and coming managers, let's hope eh?

To sum it up, the appointment doesn't excite me, but neither did any of the options in the bookies list. The only 2 Managers we have recruited which excited me was OGS and Warnock, to me one was an absolute disaster and the other provided limited unexpected success.

You all can moan and groan as much as you want, this is your entitlement, but I have never seen negativity on this level.

Neil you are welcome as our Manager, and now part of our family. I am sure you will give it your best, and hopefully you can get the fans on board quickly (Our fans are very fickle, so be prepared).

Welcome and, for all our sakes, I wish you every success and long term future with our club.

I agree with all of your points. Unfortunately, you only have to read through the first page of this forum to see that some fans must be living in a parallel universe or something. Reading some of the posts you begin to wonder if we are bigger than Barcelona, and should be up there fighting it out with Liverpool and Man City. A lot of our fans also question the owner and some want him out for lacking ambition. We also therefore have some fans with selective hearing. I'm not sure Tan has ever lied to us fans. We may not agree with him all the time, but he has always been up front, and we were never going to be in the market for a big name manager who would expect to make some big name signings if he were to come here. Debt free and self sufficient are words that Tan has said previously, and that suggests being prudent where costs are concerned. We ended up with the manager a lot of us thought would probably be here, and the manager who the forum owner said would be coming here early last week. Just listening and paying attention to what Tan and Dalman have to say is usually a good indicator on what we can expect at the club.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

Exactly. The fact that they have gone for Harris is a worrying indication that Tan is intent on getting some of his money back. A bigger name would have been interested but would have demanded a chunk of the parachute payment over the next two transfer windows. Neil Harris is an out of work manager who realistically would otherwise be looking at a League One club for his next job.

The only activity we will see in the next transfer window is the wrong way. Expect the side will be dismantled in the same way that Slade was instructed to do.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

I must have missed the flood of Top Managers jumping over each other to take the helm?

Decision is made, if you have a problem with Tan then don't castigate Harris for it

We can agree to disagree on Tan, he has made us into the club we are today. God people have very short memories, and I for one have nothing but admiration and gratitude that someone like Tan took us on

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

Really ?
I would say some people need to stop living in the past

We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league

Cardiff have a billionaire owner

The ability to play in the biggest league in the world

The ability to participate in the most famous cup in the world

Spend multiple times the amount Rangers do on signings

Our squad is worth a lot more than Rangers who's is full of over the hill championship players

We both have large stadiums

The only thing Rangers can offer is European football because the league is so poor they pretty much finish second every year. Even then they are normally knocked out in the prelims.

Scottish football is a joke and Rangers are a poor team in a poor league

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

I must have missed the flood of Top Managers jumping over each other to take the helm?

Decision is made, if you have a problem with Tan then don't castigate Harris for it

We can agree to disagree on Tan, he has made us into the club we are today. God people have very short memories, and I for one have nothing but admiration and gratitude that someone like Tan took us on

How do we know there wouldn't have been managers interested? Before the ink was dry on Warnocks resignation letter Harris was already being quoted as favourite. Were would that have come from if it wasn't already a done deal. The haste in which all this was done is baffling- unless it was already pre ordained weeks ago.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

The comments about us being a big club, and the arguments as to why we are a big club have not changed since I first went to Ninian Park not long after England won the World Cup. I am sure these same arguments will be around in another 50 years time. Even when we were playing in the lower two divisions, I lost count as to how many times I heard the phrase "sleeping giant". I guess we are in the eyes of many City fans, but personally, I think we are a medium sized club with potential, and have been throughout most of the time I have been a supporter. We have spent two brief seasons in the top flight during my time, and other than the Welsh Cup and a few promotions, have not really won anything of note. We may have some potential for big gates, but apart from a handful of games such as Real Madrid, there hasn't been much sign of these crowds. I am sure we may have potential, but then again we have had that for over 50 years. Having it and fulfilling it are two different things.

An ex recent PL club, with a 34k stadium, I would say we are fairly high profile in name (if not in football talent) BUT people will have heard of the name Cardiff - wherever you go.
So it is a club that managers will want to come to. Whether we want them or not is a different matter. Slade bless him - that was dire and rubbish at the same time. Trollope isnt a manager and we were his experiment. OGS - has 'proven himself' again that he can repeat his managerial shorcomings at a bigger club. And so it goes on.

Warnock was great for the club at the time and shame he had to go, but probably for the best.
I think most people are underwhelmed by Harris - maybe its the fear of the unknown but if you look at the JBs down the road they have a horrible knack of getting unknown managers who go on to better things.

Im looking forward to seeing what Harris can get out of the squad - maybe it just needed a fresh voice.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

Really ?
I would say some people need to stop living in the past

We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league

Cardiff have a billionaire owner

The ability to play in the biggest league in the world

The ability to participate in the most famous cup in the world

Spend multiple times the amount Rangers do on signings

Our squad is worth a lot more than Rangers who's is full of over the hill championship players

We both have large stadiums

The only thing Rangers can offer is European football because the league is so poor they pretty much finish second every year. Even then they are normally knocked out in the prelims.

Scottish football is a joke and Rangers are a poor team in a poor league

The ability.... The ability.... Ah, you mean the potential of our club

"We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league". I travel a lot with work, and believe me when I say I talk with lots of people about football and Cardiff are not well known for our two exploits in the Premier. Some haven't heard of us, and some do remember when I point out we were only there for one season each time and spent all our time down the bottom end. And yes this is in European countries, Far East is significantly harder if you are not Top 4.....

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

I must have missed the flood of Top Managers jumping over each other to take the helm?

Decision is made, if you have a problem with Tan then don't castigate Harris for it

We can agree to disagree on Tan, he has made us into the club we are today. God people have very short memories, and I for one have nothing but admiration and gratitude that someone like Tan took us on

How do we know there wouldn't have been managers interested? Before the ink was dry on Warnocks resignation letter Harris was already being quoted as favourite. Were would that have come from if it wasn't already a done deal. The haste in which all this was done is baffling- unless it was already pre ordained weeks ago.

OK so let's look at who we believe would be available and interested. Then we can maybe talk about what it might have taken to attract them here (I think something similar was posted on this board previously, so apologies).

I have never in all my time of supporting Cardiff seen a welcome as poor as this for a new manager, and I for one am disgusted with it

We need to put things into perspective:

1. We are not a top side who attracts big names, and we won't be until we have a level of success and consistency (Probably mid table Premier over a couple of years).

2. I hear people calling for someone of the same ilk as an Allardyce, Redknapp, Hughton in some footballing capacity at the club. These guys have history of spending lots, costing lots, and with no guarantee of success - Maybe a recipe for disaster, be cautious what you wish for.

3. I love what Warnock has done for the club as a whole, but many have questioned his transfer record, lack of use of big spend players, the way we have set ourselves up (Formation), hoofball etc. I repeat overall Warnock has done so much for our club, for which I am eternally grateful.

4. Would a Lampard, Gerrard, or someone similar join us? With regard the 2 named absolutely not, is there someone out there that might have the same stature - Yes probably, but they either haven't been tried and tested or have failed, again a massive risk which could undo all the good work that that has been put in place.

As a replacement for Warnock, I do not know who would be the best option but what I do know is that others are better positioned to make an informed decision as to who would be the potential best fit for our club.

People talk about Harris negatively, but he did amazing at Millwall with the resources available. Everybody is assuming that he is a 'Hoofball' expert, but did you stop to think that he set Millwall up this way because that might have been the best and most effective solution in his mind because of the available resources.

He is a young Manager, who might end up being our Mesiah or could be an absolute disaster, time will tell. He might create the dynasty we have all been craving for, our competitors have taken chances with unproven up and coming managers, let's hope eh?

To sum it up, the appointment doesn't excite me, but neither did any of the options in the bookies list. The only 2 Managers we have recruited which excited me was OGS and Warnock, to me one was an absolute disaster and the other provided limited unexpected success.

You all can moan and groan as much as you want, this is your entitlement, but I have never seen negativity on this level.

Neil you are welcome as our Manager, and now part of our family. I am sure you will give it your best, and hopefully you can get the fans on board quickly (Our fans are very fickle, so be prepared).

Welcome and, for all our sakes, I wish you every success and long term future with our club.

Well said....very well said. Some of the so called fans on here...I don't know who they think they are. Passing such firm judgments based on little or no knowledge. Making their announcements to us all that they've had it with the Club and won't be coming any more....who cares!!
As you say he could turn out to be rubbish or he could be fantastic. Fingers crossed for the latter.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

The comments about us being a big club, and the arguments as to why we are a big club have not changed since I first went to Ninian Park not long after England won the World Cup. I am sure these same arguments will be around in another 50 years time. Even when we were playing in the lower two divisions, I lost count as to how many times I heard the phrase "sleeping giant". I guess we are in the eyes of many City fans, but personally, I think we are a medium sized club with potential, and have been throughout most of the time I have been a supporter. We have spent two brief seasons in the top flight during my time, and other than the Welsh Cup and a few promotions, have not really won anything of note. We may have some potential for big gates, but apart from a handful of games such as Real Madrid, there hasn't been much sign of these crowds. I am sure we may have potential, but then again we have had that for over 50 years. Having it and fulfilling it are two different things.

Realistic and sensible comments, I have exactly the same thoughts Steve

An ex recent PL club, with a 34k stadium, I would say we are fairly high profile in name (if not in football talent) BUT people will have heard of the name Cardiff - wherever you go.
So it is a club that managers will want to come to. Whether we want them or not is a different matter. Slade bless him - that was dire and rubbish at the same time. Trollope isnt a manager and we were his experiment. OGS - has 'proven himself' again that he can repeat his managerial shorcomings at a bigger club. And so it goes on.

Warnock was great for the club at the time and shame he had to go, but probably for the best.
I think most people are underwhelmed by Harris - maybe its the fear of the unknown but if you look at the JBs down the road they have a horrible knack of getting unknown managers who go on to better things.

Im looking forward to seeing what Harris can get out of the squad - maybe it just needed a fresh voice.

Rees a good balanced view, I can't argue with much of what you say. The only point is that I disagree on the name Cardiff will have been heard of wherever you go - yes maybe if you are talking to Brits when you travel, my experience is very different.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

Really ?
I would say some people need to stop living in the past

We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league

Cardiff have a billionaire owner

The ability to play in the biggest league in the world

The ability to participate in the most famous cup in the world

Spend multiple times the amount Rangers do on signings

Our squad is worth a lot more than Rangers who's is full of over the hill championship players

We both have large stadiums

The only thing Rangers can offer is European football because the league is so poor they pretty much finish second every year. Even then they are normally knocked out in the prelims.

Scottish football is a joke and Rangers are a poor team in a poor league

The ability.... The ability.... Ah, you mean the potential of our club

"We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league". I travel a lot with work, and believe me when I say I talk with lots of people about football and Cardiff are not well known for our two exploits in the Premier. Some haven't heard of us, and some do remember when I point out we were only there for one season each time and spent all our time down the bottom end. And yes this is in European countries, Far East is significantly harder if you are not Top 4.....

Cardiff is known worldwide but not for football but that would change with prolonged exposure in premier league! Football managers are funny lot some have high opinion of themselves and wouldn't touch championship with proverbial unless was Leeds ect, we're certainly not in that category! So we got the type manager suited to our standing maybe one day that'll change..

I have never in all my time of supporting Cardiff seen a welcome as poor as this for a new manager, and I for one am disgusted with it

We need to put things into perspective:

1. We are not a top side who attracts big names, and we won't be until we have a level of success and consistency (Probably mid table Premier over a couple of years).

2. I hear people calling for someone of the same ilk as an Allardyce, Redknapp, Hughton in some footballing capacity at the club. These guys have history of spending lots, costing lots, and with no guarantee of success - Maybe a recipe for disaster, be cautious what you wish for.

3. I love what Warnock has done for the club as a whole, but many have questioned his transfer record, lack of use of big spend players, the way we have set ourselves up (Formation), hoofball etc. I repeat overall Warnock has done so much for our club, for which I am eternally grateful.

4. Would a Lampard, Gerrard, or someone similar join us? With regard the 2 named absolutely not, is there someone out there that might have the same stature - Yes probably, but they either haven't been tried and tested or have failed, again a massive risk which could undo all the good work that that has been put in place.

As a replacement for Warnock, I do not know who would be the best option but what I do know is that others are better positioned to make an informed decision as to who would be the potential best fit for our club.

People talk about Harris negatively, but he did amazing at Millwall with the resources available. Everybody is assuming that he is a 'Hoofball' expert, but did you stop to think that he set Millwall up this way because that might have been the best and most effective solution in his mind because of the available resources.

He is a young Manager, who might end up being our Mesiah or could be an absolute disaster, time will tell. He might create the dynasty we have all been craving for, our competitors have taken chances with unproven up and coming managers, let's hope eh?

To sum it up, the appointment doesn't excite me, but neither did any of the options in the bookies list. The only 2 Managers we have recruited which excited me was OGS and Warnock, to me one was an absolute disaster and the other provided limited unexpected success.

You all can moan and groan as much as you want, this is your entitlement, but I have never seen negativity on this level.

Neil you are welcome as our Manager, and now part of our family. I am sure you will give it your best, and hopefully you can get the fans on board quickly (Our fans are very fickle, so be prepared).

Welcome and, for all our sakes, I wish you every success and long term future with our club.

Well said....very well said. Some of the so called fans on here...I don't know who they think they are. Passing such firm judgments based on little or no knowledge. Making their announcements to us all that they've had it with the Club and won't be coming any more....who cares!!
As you say he could turn out to be rubbish or he could be fantastic. Fingers crossed for the latter.

Moonboots, I am viewing this as a positive. A young Manager with some, but limited experience, and a hunger to prove himself.

Regardless of whether people think the board have not been as ambitious as they would like, people that are being so negative about Harris before he has even stepped into the club beggars belief. The poor lad must be wondering what he is walking into, before he has even arrived

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

Really ?
I would say some people need to stop living in the past

We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league

Cardiff have a billionaire owner

The ability to play in the biggest league in the world

The ability to participate in the most famous cup in the world

Spend multiple times the amount Rangers do on signings

Our squad is worth a lot more than Rangers who's is full of over the hill championship players

We both have large stadiums

The only thing Rangers can offer is European football because the league is so poor they pretty much finish second every year. Even then they are normally knocked out in the prelims.

Scottish football is a joke and Rangers are a poor team in a poor league

The ability.... The ability.... Ah, you mean the potential of our club

"We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league". I travel a lot with work, and believe me when I say I talk with lots of people about football and Cardiff are not well known for our two exploits in the Premier. Some haven't heard of us, and some do remember when I point out we were only there for one season each time and spent all our time down the bottom end. And yes this is in European countries, Far East is significantly harder if you are not Top 4.....

Cardiff is known worldwide but not for football but that would change with prolonged exposure in premier league! Football managers are funny lot some have high opinion of themselves and wouldn't touch championship with proverbial unless was Leeds ect, we're certainly not in that category! So we got the type manager suited to our standing maybe one day that'll change..

Yes, Yes, Yes!

Summed it up in very few words

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

I must have missed the flood of Top Managers jumping over each other to take the helm?

Decision is made, if you have a problem with Tan then don't castigate Harris for it

We can agree to disagree on Tan, he has made us into the club we are today. God people have very short memories, and I for one have nothing but admiration and gratitude that someone like Tan took us on

So what part of my post castigated Tan or anyone else?

Bookies and wild rumours apart, you don't know who was in for the job or not anymore than most of the rest of us

I think you need to be less defensive and read posts properly, fella

I actually said the Board (nee Tan) may have been 'smart' in the appointment

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

"supposedly support but think so little of" - Was there any need for that, I love my club and want to believe we are a world power in football? Unfortunately, I have to be realistic and so do the owners.

Rangers - Sorry but that for me is obvious, they are a massive club with "Global" support, so really don't get your point on that one.

Derby - Would have offered a significant Transfer budget to Lampard, and have taken a big gamble. Also, they offer skiing and tobaggan as further incentives.

We are not a big club, we are a club with great infrastructure, good level of support with lots of potential to grow, and a club who are risk averse and work to a manageable budget. I agree we are attractive as a club, but from the list of options available I see Neil Harris as one of the options from a bunch that didn't set the world on fire for me. Based on that I take the appointment and support it - I don't want to destroy the guy before he arrives, what is the point in that?

If you dont think Cardiff are big enough to attract the merry go round managers like Hughes , Allardyce , Pardew or young managers like Lampard or Gerrard then you underestimate the size of the club.
We were small 15 years ago, thanks to Vincent Tan we are now a big club in this division with massive potential.

Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone.

We are a premier league standard club now and people need to realise that and stop playing Warnocks favourite little old Cardiff underdog card

Even Millwall fans have said they are shocked Harris has landed such a big job. It was the biggest job available in British football last week , that is a fact.

"Rangers are only a big club by name. It is a poor job to take for anybody other than a first timer like gerrard who is using them as a stepping stone."

...and Cardiff are not much different, other than we are not even "only a big club by name".

Some people really need a dose of realism. I love this club, and supported them all my life, but big club we are not

Really ?
I would say some people need to stop living in the past

We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league

Cardiff have a billionaire owner

The ability to play in the biggest league in the world

The ability to participate in the most famous cup in the world

Spend multiple times the amount Rangers do on signings

Our squad is worth a lot more than Rangers who's is full of over the hill championship players

We both have large stadiums

The only thing Rangers can offer is European football because the league is so poor they pretty much finish second every year. Even then they are normally knocked out in the prelims.

Scottish football is a joke and Rangers are a poor team in a poor league

The ability.... The ability.... Ah, you mean the potential of our club

"We are known worldwide due to being on the premier league". I travel a lot with work, and believe me when I say I talk with lots of people about football and Cardiff are not well known for our two exploits in the Premier. Some haven't heard of us, and some do remember when I point out we were only there for one season each time and spent all our time down the bottom end. And yes this is in European countries, Far East is significantly harder if you are not Top 4.....

I don’t travel a lot, so I don’t know how well known CCFC are, but a few months ago a work colleague of mine had a couple of South Africans from the Zulu tribe stay at his house. He said he’d take them to Cardiff to go sightseeing. They told him the first place they wanted to visit was the Cardiff City Stadium. My friend was gobsmacked are you mistaken, you must mean the Millennium Stadium. They said no, there’s no mistake, we want to see where Cardiff City play. My work colleague supports Newport County and was mortified. He did take them to the CCS though lol

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

I must have missed the flood of Top Managers jumping over each other to take the helm?

Decision is made, if you have a problem with Tan then don't castigate Harris for it

We can agree to disagree on Tan, he has made us into the club we are today. God people have very short memories, and I for one have nothing but admiration and gratitude that someone like Tan took us on

So what part of my post castigated Tan or anyone else?

Bookies and wild rumours apart, you don't know who was in for the job or not anymore than most of the rest of us

I think you need to be less defensive and read posts properly, fella

I actually said the Board (nee Tan) may have been 'smart' in the appointment

Sven, apologies mate.

Even though I was replying to your post, I was generalising about castigating Tan, the board, or Harris. This was not a direct reference to your post.

You underestimate the club you supposedly support but think so little of.

Cardiff has grown over the last 15 years into a big club .

It is a very attractive job for any manager other than the big big names. Why would you think Derby and Rangers can attract the likes of Gerrard and Lampard but we couldn't?

I agree with this and the OP clearly understates the stature of this club. He also underestimates the number of 'quality' managers currently out of work and itching for a shot at proving the doubters wrong

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think City's decision makers have been a little smart in their thinking by appointing a manager who can work with the style of player we currently have

I'm going to give him a chance and I will get behind the team as vociferously as I always do in the hope that Neil 'Arris can get thusxseasin back on track

I must have missed the flood of Top Managers jumping over each other to take the helm?

Decision is made, if you have a problem with Tan then don't castigate Harris for it

We can agree to disagree on Tan, he has made us into the club we are today. God people have very short memories, and I for one have nothing but admiration and gratitude that someone like Tan took us on

So what part of my post castigated Tan or anyone else?

Bookies and wild rumours apart, you don't know who was in for the job or not anymore than most of the rest of us

I think you need to be less defensive and read posts properly, fella

I actually said the Board (nee Tan) may have been 'smart' in the appointment

Sven, apologies mate.

Even though I was replying to your post, I was generalising about castigating Tan, the board, or Harris. This was not a direct reference to your post.

That's okay, mate. Appreciate that

The OP talks a lot of sense. Some people are under the illusion that we are a huge club, the fact is we're not. Even in the championship there are clubs with far more potential in terms of what players and managers they can attract, not to mention the crowds they pull.
A lot of the managers mentioned can only operate if they have a big cheque book to wave around and we don't need anyone to take us back into huge debt.
Like most fans, I love Warnock, but his dealings in the transfer market were a bit sus. We've signed players for big money (for us) and they've not got a look in. Reid, Cunningham, Madine and up until recently, Lee Tomlin were signed for over £20 million and sent out on loan FFS. A club like ours can't afford to sign players to lend out, it's ridiculous. We need someone who signs players for the money we have to go straight into the first team and make a difference. And we also need a manager that will give some of our talented youngsters the opportunity to show what they can do.
I was also underwhelmed by Harris appointment, but he is now our manager and I hope we can get behind him and the team, and not slag him off as soon as we concede a corner.

I have never in all my time of supporting Cardiff seen a welcome as poor as this for a new manager, and I for one am disgusted with it

We need to put things into perspective:

1. We are not a top side who attracts big names, and we won't be until we have a level of success and consistency (Probably mid table Premier over a couple of years).

2. I hear people calling for someone of the same ilk as an Allardyce, Redknapp, Hughton in some footballing capacity at the club. These guys have history of spending lots, costing lots, and with no guarantee of success - Maybe a recipe for disaster, be cautious what you wish for.

3. I love what Warnock has done for the club as a whole, but many have questioned his transfer record, lack of use of big spend players, the way we have set ourselves up (Formation), hoofball etc. I repeat overall Warnock has done so much for our club, for which I am eternally grateful.

4. Would a Lampard, Gerrard, or someone similar join us? With regard the 2 named absolutely not, is there someone out there that might have the same stature - Yes probably, but they either haven't been tried and tested or have failed, again a massive risk which could undo all the good work that that has been put in place.

As a replacement for Warnock, I do not know who would be the best option but what I do know is that others are better positioned to make an informed decision as to who would be the potential best fit for our club.

People talk about Harris negatively, but he did amazing at Millwall with the resources available. Everybody is assuming that he is a 'Hoofball' expert, but did you stop to think that he set Millwall up this way because that might have been the best and most effective solution in his mind because of the available resources.

He is a young Manager, who might end up being our Mesiah or could be an absolute disaster, time will tell. He might create the dynasty we have all been craving for, our competitors have taken chances with unproven up and coming managers, let's hope eh?

To sum it up, the appointment doesn't excite me, but neither did any of the options in the bookies list. The only 2 Managers we have recruited which excited me was OGS and Warnock, to me one was an absolute disaster and the other provided limited unexpected success.

You all can moan and groan as much as you want, this is your entitlement, but I have never seen negativity on this level.

Neil you are welcome as our Manager, and now part of our family. I am sure you will give it your best, and hopefully you can get the fans on board quickly (Our fans are very fickle, so be prepared).

Welcome and, for all our sakes, I wish you every success and long term future with our club.

No one wants allerdyce or radknapp ffs....no one...I doubt Hughton would work here or for VT.....

I have never in all my time of supporting Cardiff seen a welcome as poor as this for a new manager, and I for one am disgusted with it

We need to put things into perspective:

1. We are not a top side who attracts big names, and we won't be until we have a level of success and consistency (Probably mid table Premier over a couple of years).

2. I hear people calling for someone of the same ilk as an Allardyce, Redknapp, Hughton in some footballing capacity at the club. These guys have history of spending lots, costing lots, and with no guarantee of success - Maybe a recipe for disaster, be cautious what you wish for.

3. I love what Warnock has done for the club as a whole, but many have questioned his transfer record, lack of use of big spend players, the way we have set ourselves up (Formation), hoofball etc. I repeat overall Warnock has done so much for our club, for which I am eternally grateful.

4. Would a Lampard, Gerrard, or someone similar join us? With regard the 2 named absolutely not, is there someone out there that might have the same stature - Yes probably, but they either haven't been tried and tested or have failed, again a massive risk which could undo all the good work that that has been put in place.

As a replacement for Warnock, I do not know who would be the best option but what I do know is that others are better positioned to make an informed decision as to who would be the potential best fit for our club.

People talk about Harris negatively, but he did amazing at Millwall with the resources available. Everybody is assuming that he is a 'Hoofball' expert, but did you stop to think that he set Millwall up this way because that might have been the best and most effective solution in his mind because of the available resources.

He is a young Manager, who might end up being our Mesiah or could be an absolute disaster, time will tell. He might create the dynasty we have all been craving for, our competitors have taken chances with unproven up and coming managers, let's hope eh?

To sum it up, the appointment doesn't excite me, but neither did any of the options in the bookies list. The only 2 Managers we have recruited which excited me was OGS and Warnock, to me one was an absolute disaster and the other provided limited unexpected success.

You all can moan and groan as much as you want, this is your entitlement, but I have never seen negativity on this level.

Neil you are welcome as our Manager, and now part of our family. I am sure you will give it your best, and hopefully you can get the fans on board quickly (Our fans are very fickle, so be prepared).

Welcome and, for all our sakes, I wish you every success and long term future with our club.

No one wants allerdyce or radknapp ffs....no one...I doubt Hughton would work here or for VT.....

Read what I said again.......

Don't be so dramatic, its just a forum. He has had no such thing as a 'disgusting welcome'.

His welcome will be at the stadium and when he meets fans in and around the area.

I have said myself I am disappointed and underwhelmed that doesn't mean that I have given our new manager a 'disgusting' welcome, if I go to Charlton which is 50/50 at the moment I will give him the biggest cheer I can, sing his name and support him like I would any manager of Cardiff City Football Club. He will be open to the same level of support or criticism as those that have gone before him.

Its an internet forum where we can discuss the pros and cons of the team, manager whatever it may be, we are never going to all sing from

the same hymn sheet as fans as we are all different, with varying opinions, that's what makes forums great places to discuss things.

The day that ends and people aren't honest is the day Football Forums will no longer have a place.