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davids wrote:I agree with much of what you say but you have to put this season into context.
It seemed to be generally accepted that last year we were already preparing for relegation before a ball was kicked in the Premier League. The signings made during the season, the defeatist attitude of the manager before almost every game and the approach taken in games all contrast so much with the approach being taken by Sheffield United this season.
So many fans were willing to accept relegation on the basis that most of the signings made with the Premier League millions were bought with the avowed aim of having a squad capable of mounting a serious challenge to get promoted again this season.
We all know how tough the Championship is, our manager knows it more than most!
But the continuous poor quality of signings since we got promoted two seasons ago has left us in almost as poor a position as when Warnock came into the club. Yes the debt has been reduced and that is fantastic but we have a team of average Championship players performing averagely in an average league.
We were told by the club that we were going to be giving it a real good go at getting promoted this season .Our parachute payments mean that financially we have a huge advantage over the majority of other Championship teams and yet we look like a team who will struggle to finish the season in the top half of the table.
We have a squad of players who nobody would want to buy, we have no youth policy or youngsters coming through, we have players who seem to be unmotivated and of limited ability.
Positivity? Thanks to Warnock and the miracle of promotion two seasons ago financially we are in a much better position than we would otherwise have been.
On the field it's much more difficult to find much to be positive about.
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:10 pm
RV Casual wrote:davids wrote:I agree with much of what you say but you have to put this season into context.
It seemed to be generally accepted that last year we were already preparing for relegation before a ball was kicked in the Premier League. The signings made during the season, the defeatist attitude of the manager before almost every game and the approach taken in games all contrast so much with the approach being taken by Sheffield United this season.
So many fans were willing to accept relegation on the basis that most of the signings made with the Premier League millions were bought with the avowed aim of having a squad capable of mounting a serious challenge to get promoted again this season.
We all know how tough the Championship is, our manager knows it more than most!
But the continuous poor quality of signings since we got promoted two seasons ago has left us in almost as poor a position as when Warnock came into the club. Yes the debt has been reduced and that is fantastic but we have a team of average Championship players performing averagely in an average league.
We were told by the club that we were going to be giving it a real good go at getting promoted this season .Our parachute payments mean that financially we have a huge advantage over the majority of other Championship teams and yet we look like a team who will struggle to finish the season in the top half of the table.
We have a squad of players who nobody would want to buy, we have no youth policy or youngsters coming through, we have players who seem to be unmotivated and of limited ability.
Positivity? Thanks to Warnock and the miracle of promotion two seasons ago financially we are in a much better position than we would otherwise have been.
On the field it's much more difficult to find much to be positive about.
I respect your opinion mate but your focusing on the negatives.
Generally accepted that we were preparing for relegation last season before a ball was kicked would depend on your viewpoint, what Warnock genuinely had to spend and what sort of players we were able to attract.
Did we buy badly when we went up or did we buy the sort of quality we could genuinely attract, was within our price range and wanted to come here? Only the top brass and Warnock know the answer to that in all honesty.
We are 7 points off the play offs with the bottom two clubs at home in 2 of our next 4 games, lets have a look where we are at Christmas, I think we will be in the top 10 and within a few points of the Play Offs, if we are not and things get worse then I will fully understand the melt downs.
BTW, you said its difficult to be positive about things on the field, so I'll leave you with this, that was our first defeat at home all season and at home fans have seen us Win 5, draw 2 and lose just the ONCE. One defeat in 8 home games. Our fans have been spoilt that's the problem. Sort our away form out add 1-2 in January and we will be knocking on the door of the Play Offs at least.
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:21 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Just about sums it up go from high to low and its like it all the time one step forward 2 back like today! We were the better team for a change but poor final ball and a distinct lack of urgency in 2nd half cost us, said before they scored we lost our way when was last time that happened at home? We have championship players but they're not being used I feel in right way ! Very frustrating watching knowing we can and should be further up the table..
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:34 pm
davids wrote:RV Casual wrote:davids wrote:I agree with much of what you say but you have to put this season into context.
It seemed to be generally accepted that last year we were already preparing for relegation before a ball was kicked in the Premier League. The signings made during the season, the defeatist attitude of the manager before almost every game and the approach taken in games all contrast so much with the approach being taken by Sheffield United this season.
So many fans were willing to accept relegation on the basis that most of the signings made with the Premier League millions were bought with the avowed aim of having a squad capable of mounting a serious challenge to get promoted again this season.
We all know how tough the Championship is, our manager knows it more than most!
But the continuous poor quality of signings since we got promoted two seasons ago has left us in almost as poor a position as when Warnock came into the club. Yes the debt has been reduced and that is fantastic but we have a team of average Championship players performing averagely in an average league.
We were told by the club that we were going to be giving it a real good go at getting promoted this season .Our parachute payments mean that financially we have a huge advantage over the majority of other Championship teams and yet we look like a team who will struggle to finish the season in the top half of the table.
We have a squad of players who nobody would want to buy, we have no youth policy or youngsters coming through, we have players who seem to be unmotivated and of limited ability.
Positivity? Thanks to Warnock and the miracle of promotion two seasons ago financially we are in a much better position than we would otherwise have been.
On the field it's much more difficult to find much to be positive about.
I respect your opinion mate but your focusing on the negatives.
Generally accepted that we were preparing for relegation last season before a ball was kicked would depend on your viewpoint, what Warnock genuinely had to spend and what sort of players we were able to attract.
Did we buy badly when we went up or did we buy the sort of quality we could genuinely attract, was within our price range and wanted to come here? Only the top brass and Warnock know the answer to that in all honesty.
We are 7 points off the play offs with the bottom two clubs at home in 2 of our next 4 games, lets have a look where we are at Christmas, I think we will be in the top 10 and within a few points of the Play Offs, if we are not and things get worse then I will fully understand the melt downs.
BTW, you said its difficult to be positive about things on the field, so I'll leave you with this, that was our first defeat at home all season and at home fans have seen us Win 5, draw 2 and lose just the ONCE. One defeat in 8 home games. Our fans have been spoilt that's the problem. Sort our away form out add 1-2 in January and we will be knocking on the door of the Play Offs at least.
Always admire positivity RV and again I agree with much of what you say but in answer to your last paragraph I will say this.
8 away games and I've suffered every minute of them! Not once have we realistically looked like we would get three points!
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:38 pm
RV Casual wrote:I know its tough losing against your rivals, especially at home but I am staying grounded and positive.
We played an established, growing Championship side today who have been slowly growing year on year and lost to a sucker punch.
In my opinion we were the better team and the stats back that up, however that counts for nothing and the record books will show we lost 1-0.
That said and has been said MANY times before by myself amongst others, VERY FEW teams go straight back up at the first time of asking, the % is staggeringly low and most level headed fans would have gone with us being a top 10 team this year, play offs at a push, that is still an achievable target by the way. Just remember it could go even worse, the likes of Wolves, Sunderland, Norwich, Southampton, Blackburn have dropped down to League 1 before coming back previously so things could be a lot worse.
We need to stop going from 0 to 100mph as fans, from a 4-2 win and everything's good and only 7 points off top to a 1-0 loss and the world has caved in. That's not the case.
Mistakes have been made, I'd like to think Warnock would be the first to admit that, in hindsight letting Zohore go is looking like a mistake and I was one of his biggest critics but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I'm not adverse to a change at the top but it needs to be phased IMO, knee jerk reaction I don't think we need. I fully expect us to pick up between 8-9 points from the next 4 games after the international break and we will be right back on the coat tails of the play offs again.
To coin phrase, Keep The Faith
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:44 pm
maccydee wrote:davids wrote:RV Casual wrote:davids wrote:I agree with much of what you say but you have to put this season into context.
It seemed to be generally accepted that last year we were already preparing for relegation before a ball was kicked in the Premier League. The signings made during the season, the defeatist attitude of the manager before almost every game and the approach taken in games all contrast so much with the approach being taken by Sheffield United this season.
So many fans were willing to accept relegation on the basis that most of the signings made with the Premier League millions were bought with the avowed aim of having a squad capable of mounting a serious challenge to get promoted again this season.
We all know how tough the Championship is, our manager knows it more than most!
But the continuous poor quality of signings since we got promoted two seasons ago has left us in almost as poor a position as when Warnock came into the club. Yes the debt has been reduced and that is fantastic but we have a team of average Championship players performing averagely in an average league.
We were told by the club that we were going to be giving it a real good go at getting promoted this season .Our parachute payments mean that financially we have a huge advantage over the majority of other Championship teams and yet we look like a team who will struggle to finish the season in the top half of the table.
We have a squad of players who nobody would want to buy, we have no youth policy or youngsters coming through, we have players who seem to be unmotivated and of limited ability.
Positivity? Thanks to Warnock and the miracle of promotion two seasons ago financially we are in a much better position than we would otherwise have been.
On the field it's much more difficult to find much to be positive about.
I respect your opinion mate but your focusing on the negatives.
Generally accepted that we were preparing for relegation last season before a ball was kicked would depend on your viewpoint, what Warnock genuinely had to spend and what sort of players we were able to attract.
Did we buy badly when we went up or did we buy the sort of quality we could genuinely attract, was within our price range and wanted to come here? Only the top brass and Warnock know the answer to that in all honesty.
We are 7 points off the play offs with the bottom two clubs at home in 2 of our next 4 games, lets have a look where we are at Christmas, I think we will be in the top 10 and within a few points of the Play Offs, if we are not and things get worse then I will fully understand the melt downs.
BTW, you said its difficult to be positive about things on the field, so I'll leave you with this, that was our first defeat at home all season and at home fans have seen us Win 5, draw 2 and lose just the ONCE. One defeat in 8 home games. Our fans have been spoilt that's the problem. Sort our away form out add 1-2 in January and we will be knocking on the door of the Play Offs at least.
Always admire positivity RV and again I agree with much of what you say but in answer to your last paragraph I will say this.
8 away games and I've suffered every minute of them! Not once have we realistically looked like we would get three points!
Millwall and Wigan?
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:47 pm
RageJon wrote:RV Casual wrote:I know its tough losing against your rivals, especially at home but I am staying grounded and positive.
We played an established, growing Championship side today who have been slowly growing year on year and lost to a sucker punch.
In my opinion we were the better team and the stats back that up, however that counts for nothing and the record books will show we lost 1-0.
That said and has been said MANY times before by myself amongst others, VERY FEW teams go straight back up at the first time of asking, the % is staggeringly low and most level headed fans would have gone with us being a top 10 team this year, play offs at a push, that is still an achievable target by the way. Just remember it could go even worse, the likes of Wolves, Sunderland, Norwich, Southampton, Blackburn have dropped down to League 1 before coming back previously so things could be a lot worse.
We need to stop going from 0 to 100mph as fans, from a 4-2 win and everything's good and only 7 points off top to a 1-0 loss and the world has caved in. That's not the case.
Mistakes have been made, I'd like to think Warnock would be the first to admit that, in hindsight letting Zohore go is looking like a mistake and I was one of his biggest critics but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I'm not adverse to a change at the top but it needs to be phased IMO, knee jerk reaction I don't think we need. I fully expect us to pick up between 8-9 points from the next 4 games after the international break and we will be right back on the coat tails of the play offs again.
To coin phrase, Keep The Faith
What you are saying is true butttt warnock wanted this promotion and we were fed it
It was clear to me the ambitions especially looking at the squad were bullshit.
Support no matter what I'm just pissed off because of the fed lies and bullshit after every game.
Clearly no ambition this season so we need to strip the squad and get by with what we have.
Get a manager ready with modern day tactics .. which manager ? I havent got a clue who ide bring in or anyone in mind that's available
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Chippy82 wrote:Jokanovic Ainsworth and at a shout mike flynn the only other 1 what jumps out is Tony pullis but would we wan go to a new manager with same footie mantra
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Charlie Harper wrote:Today showed that our other home games have papered over the cracks. City are a side of little quality at the moment with no service to the front men and no cutting edge.
Let's not kid ourselves and say we played well today because imo we played poorly and have done all season.
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:27 pm
Chippy82 wrote:Charlie Harper wrote:Today showed that our other home games have papered over the cracks. City are a side of little quality at the moment with no service to the front men and no cutting edge.
Let's not kid ourselves and say we played well today because imo we played poorly and have done all season.
Exactly 15 mins against sheff wed when we battered them I cannot think of a game we bossed yes improvement today but what did we actually do
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:51 pm
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:06 pm
Charlie Harper wrote:Today showed that our other home games have papered over the cracks. City are a side of little quality at the moment with no service to the front men and no cutting edge.
Let's not kid ourselves and say we played well today because imo we played poorly and have done all season.
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:17 pm
dogfound wrote:Charlie Harper wrote:Today showed that our other home games have papered over the cracks. City are a side of little quality at the moment with no service to the front men and no cutting edge.
Let's not kid ourselves and say we played well today because imo we played poorly and have done all season.
it was hardly champagne football but we were the better team today... papering over the cracks ?, don't know what to say about that, our home record is good .
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:28 pm
Charlie Harper wrote:dogfound wrote:Charlie Harper wrote:Today showed that our other home games have papered over the cracks. City are a side of little quality at the moment with no service to the front men and no cutting edge.
Let's not kid ourselves and say we played well today because imo we played poorly and have done all season.
it was hardly champagne football but we were the better team today... papering over the cracks ?, don't know what to say about that, our home record is good .
Our home record is good but have we played well in any game ? I genuinely dont think we have and as I said, I think its papered over the cracks
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RV Casual wrote:I know its tough losing against your rivals, especially at home but I am staying grounded and positive.
We played an established, growing Championship side today who have been slowly growing year on year and lost to a sucker punch.
In my opinion we were the better team and the stats back that up, however that counts for nothing and the record books will show we lost 1-0.
That said and has been said MANY times before by myself amongst others, VERY FEW teams go straight back up at the first time of asking, the % is staggeringly low and most level headed fans would have gone with us being a top 10 team this year, play offs at a push, that is still an achievable target by the way. Just remember it could go even worse, the likes of Wolves, Sunderland, Norwich, Southampton, Blackburn have dropped down to League 1 before coming back previously so things could be a lot worse.
We need to stop going from 0 to 100mph as fans, from a 4-2 win and everything's good and only 7 points off top to a 1-0 loss and the world has caved in. That's not the case.
Mistakes have been made, I'd like to think Warnock would be the first to admit that, in hindsight letting Zohore go is looking like a mistake and I was one of his biggest critics but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I'm not adverse to a change at the top but it needs to be phased IMO, knee jerk reaction I don't think we need. I fully expect us to pick up between 8-9 points from the next 4 games after the international break and we will be right back on the coat tails of the play offs again.
To coin phrase, Keep The Faith
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:40 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:After reading a lot of comments on here, I think many of you must have seen something in this side that I missed if you believed we were serious promotion prospects at the start of the season. Looking at our squad, I never though for one moment we were close to being automatic promotion contenders. I thought we were good enough for a top ten finish, and that if luck went our way, we may just about scrape into the play offs. I think it looks a bit optimistic as far as the play offs are concerned, but I haven't changed my mind as far as top ten is concerned. Probably one of the reasons I do not go into meltdown after every defeat is that I never had unrealistic expectations in the first place. This season was never likely to be easy, as plenty of other relegated sides have found it in the past. Still a long way to go, and probably plenty more good and bad days ahead.
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:51 pm
tangledupinblue wrote:RV Casual wrote:I know its tough losing against your rivals, especially at home but I am staying grounded and positive.
We played an established, growing Championship side today who have been slowly growing year on year and lost to a sucker punch.
In my opinion we were the better team and the stats back that up, however that counts for nothing and the record books will show we lost 1-0.
That said and has been said MANY times before by myself amongst others, VERY FEW teams go straight back up at the first time of asking, the % is staggeringly low and most level headed fans would have gone with us being a top 10 team this year, play offs at a push, that is still an achievable target by the way. Just remember it could go even worse, the likes of Wolves, Sunderland, Norwich, Southampton, Blackburn have dropped down to League 1 before coming back previously so things could be a lot worse.
We need to stop going from 0 to 100mph as fans, from a 4-2 win and everything's good and only 7 points off top to a 1-0 loss and the world has caved in. That's not the case.
Mistakes have been made, I'd like to think Warnock would be the first to admit that, in hindsight letting Zohore go is looking like a mistake and I was one of his biggest critics but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I'm not adverse to a change at the top but it needs to be phased IMO, knee jerk reaction I don't think we need. I fully expect us to pick up between 8-9 points from the next 4 games after the international break and we will be right back on the coat tails of the play offs again.
To coin phrase, Keep The Faith
Have to disagree
In your own words, "We were the better team today"
If thats was the case, once again, like quite a few games this season we fail to score, let alone win. If we can't win when we are the better side, we sure aint gonna win when we are not, there have been some good moments this season, but they have been against sides in a similar situation to us. It all started the moment we got promoted, and its rotted away to where we are right now, I agree the hellish tragedy of Sala, added to our despair and I believe its impact was more shocking than we realise.
This is the worst squad since before Dave Jones took over. Its Warnock squad. And thats why the atmosphere has gone, why wait until the summer, when a new man with new ideas arrives anyway, he aint gonna want the majority of these players long term. Why slow the reboot, by letting Neil stay? Lets grow a pair and start making changes now. Unless the atmosphere on the terraces will be even worse post Christmas, and mid table mediocrity playing this predictable, frustrating, football with a lack of urgency and clinical passing and shooting. Teams have us all worked out. I hate it. Poor signings, poor tactics, poor substitutions, poor team selection and this seeps onto the terraces, who then undeservedly get labelled as equally poor.