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Cardiff do have to pay 5% interest for not paying on time.

I read about half of it.

So Cardiff are hoping one of 2 things sticks then?
Either:

1- Cardiff don't have to pay because the registration with the premier league didn't go through because the application was done under the wrong transfer type. And because in the contract between Cardiff & Nantes it was agreed that there are future potential payments to be paid by Cardiff if the club maintains its premier league status at any point during 3 years, would mean that would be impossible because the premier league application wasn't accepted. So Cardiff are claiming the ORIGINAL Cardiff/Nantes contract is invalid just because the BONUS'S would be nonsensical since the player cannot play in the premier league.
My opinion on this argument^ What an absolute joke of an argument. The original contract that was signed by every necessary party and completely valid, should be nil void JUST because Sala wasn't registered with the premier league? THAT. DOESN'T. EVEN. MAKE. SENSE. Why is that one of our arguments? IT'S EMBARRASSING AS A CARDIFF SUPPORTER. Actually makes me angry that our club and/or lawyers of our club don't understand that players can sign for clubs and still not be registered with the premier league.

2- Since an agent contracted by Nantes arranged the flight, it is either the agent or the club itself responsible for the death of Emiliano Sala, thereore Cardiff are due compensation to the value of Emiliano's Transfer value, which Cardiff insist is 17,000,000 as that is the amount Cardiff had agreed to pay.
My Opinion on this argument ^ This is slightly (very slightly) more of a reasonable arguement, but it still doesn't make sense. Nantes or the agent aren't in charge of Cardiff's insurance. If Cardiff don't have insurance on Sala they cannot possibly demand that Nantes just turn a blind eye to the payment due to "damages to Cardiff". It's absolutely disgusting that we're being like that. What about the damages to Nantes? They've also lost a player that the club, players & fans have much more of a connection to than we do, and not only that, they would also lose the transfer value of the player if Cardiff do not pay.

Unfortunately, it's very very obvious that our club owes Nantes the money, and any interest that we may have to pay in the future because of our delay is our own fault. Sometimes you just have to accept defeat and admit our club is really really really in the wrong here. Shambles.

This coming January won't be included in the three window transfer ban, if it comes to that.

The 45 day notice period is frozen pending the case at the Court of Arbitration for Sport - we have until the end of November to present our case for that.

By the time the case is heard at CAS, and assuming we fail, 45 days will take us past the end of January.

I don't expect us to win at CAS, so I really hope that the club just pay the money. Still of the opinion we should have done that from the start of all this.

If we don't then January is our last chance to register new players until January 2022.

This coming January won't be included in the three window transfer ban, if it comes to that.

The 45 day notice period is frozen pending the case at the Court of Arbitration for Sport - we have until the end of November to present our case for that.

By the time the case is heard at CAS, and assuming we fail, 45 days will take us past the end of January.

I don't expect us to win at CAS, so I really hope that the club just pay the money. Still of the opinion we should have done that from the start of all this.

If we don't then January is our last chance to register new players until January 2022.

does look like we will not be under embargo this January but...
do you really see us spending money in January knowing if we lose the case we have 12,300.000 euros to cough up plus legal fees.?

This coming January won't be included in the three window transfer ban, if it comes to that.

The 45 day notice period is frozen pending the case at the Court of Arbitration for Sport - we have until the end of November to present our case for that.

By the time the case is heard at CAS, and assuming we fail, 45 days will take us past the end of January.

I don't expect us to win at CAS, so I really hope that the club just pay the money. Still of the opinion we should have done that from the start of all this.

If we don't then January is our last chance to register new players until January 2022.

Also if the ban is imposed it gets lifted as soon as we pay the €6m +5% interest.

7. In the event that the amount due, plus interest in accordance with point 3. above, is not paid by the Respondent within 45 days as from the notification by the Claimant of the relevant bank details to the Respondent, the Respondent shall be banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, up until the due amounts are paid and for the maximum duration of three entire and consecutive
Player Emiliano Raul Sala 20 (FC Nantes, France / Cardiff City FC, Wales)

registration periods (cf. art. 24bis of the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players).
8. The ban mentioned in point 7. above will be lifted immediately and prior to its complete serving, once the due amount is paid.

This coming January won't be included in the three window transfer ban, if it comes to that.

The 45 day notice period is frozen pending the case at the Court of Arbitration for Sport - we have until the end of November to present our case for that.

By the time the case is heard at CAS, and assuming we fail, 45 days will take us past the end of January.

I don't expect us to win at CAS, so I really hope that the club just pay the money. Still of the opinion we should have done that from the start of all this.

If we don't then January is our last chance to register new players until January 2022.

Also if the ban is imposed it gets lifted as soon as we pay the €6m +5% interest.

7. In the event that the amount due, plus interest in accordance with point 3. above, is not paid by the Respondent within 45 days as from the notification by the Claimant of the relevant bank details to the Respondent, the Respondent shall be banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, up until the due amounts are paid and for the maximum duration of three entire and consecutive
Player Emiliano Raul Sala 20 (FC Nantes, France / Cardiff City FC, Wales)

registration periods (cf. art. 24bis of the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players).
8. The ban mentioned in point 7. above will be lifted immediately and prior to its complete serving, once the due amount is paid.

That seems reasonable and just, should the club (Cardiff City) go to CAS and their opinion not go in their favour

It doesn't matter what our 'opinions' are, Cardiff City have so far gone down a legitimate route in order to pursue what they believe to be a justifiable position

£17m is no drop in the ocean; certainly not for me and I feel sure for most others and even for the likes of the owner of Cardiff City FC

However, if (and we don't know) the CAS hearing goes ahead and finds in FC Nantes favour, then Cardiff City should be gracious and pay up at that point

Only then can people praise or condemn the position of Cardiff City FC and their actions

This coming January won't be included in the three window transfer ban, if it comes to that.

The 45 day notice period is frozen pending the case at the Court of Arbitration for Sport - we have until the end of November to present our case for that.

By the time the case is heard at CAS, and assuming we fail, 45 days will take us past the end of January.

I don't expect us to win at CAS, so I really hope that the club just pay the money. Still of the opinion we should have done that from the start of all this.

If we don't then January is our last chance to register new players until January 2022.

Also if the ban is imposed it gets lifted as soon as we pay the €6m +5% interest.

7. In the event that the amount due, plus interest in accordance with point 3. above, is not paid by the Respondent within 45 days as from the notification by the Claimant of the relevant bank details to the Respondent, the Respondent shall be banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, up until the due amounts are paid and for the maximum duration of three entire and consecutive
Player Emiliano Raul Sala 20 (FC Nantes, France / Cardiff City FC, Wales)

registration periods (cf. art. 24bis of the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players).
8. The ban mentioned in point 7. above will be lifted immediately and prior to its complete serving, once the due amount is paid.

That seems reasonable and just, should the club (Cardiff City) go to CAS and their opinion not go in their favour

It doesn't matter what our 'opinions' are, Cardiff City have so far gone down a legitimate route in order to pursue what they believe to be a justifiable position

£17m is no drop in the ocean; certainly not for me and I feel sure for most others and even for the likes of the owner of Cardiff City FC

However, if (and we don't know) the CAS hearing goes ahead and finds in FC Nantes favour, then Cardiff City should be gracious and pay up at that point

Only then can people praise or condemn the position of Cardiff City FC and their actions

What rubbish

Being forced to pay for a deal that was voluntarily signed and agreed due to a threat of a transfer ban and reluctantly coughing up a year late after some quite ludicrous reasoning for doing so is every bit valid grounds for rounded criticism from the footballing fraternity.

I read about half of it.

So Cardiff are hoping one of 2 things sticks then?
Either:

1- Cardiff don't have to pay because the registration with the premier league didn't go through because the application was done under the wrong transfer type. And because in the contract between Cardiff & Nantes it was agreed that there are future potential payments to be paid by Cardiff if the club maintains its premier league status at any point during 3 years, would mean that would be impossible because the premier league application wasn't accepted. So Cardiff are claiming the ORIGINAL Cardiff/Nantes contract is invalid just because the BONUS'S would be nonsensical since the player cannot play in the premier league.
My opinion on this argument^ What an absolute joke of an argument. The original contract that was signed by every necessary party and completely valid, should be nil void JUST because Sala wasn't registered with the premier league? THAT. DOESN'T. EVEN. MAKE. SENSE. Why is that one of our arguments? IT'S EMBARRASSING AS A CARDIFF SUPPORTER. Actually makes me angry that our club and/or lawyers of our club don't understand that players can sign for clubs and still not be registered with the premier league.

2- Since an agent contracted by Nantes arranged the flight, it is either the agent or the club itself responsible for the death of Emiliano Sala, thereore Cardiff are due compensation to the value of Emiliano's Transfer value, which Cardiff insist is 17,000,000 as that is the amount Cardiff had agreed to pay.
My Opinion on this argument ^ This is slightly (very slightly) more of a reasonable arguement, but it still doesn't make sense. Nantes or the agent aren't in charge of Cardiff's insurance. If Cardiff don't have insurance on Sala they cannot possibly demand that Nantes just turn a blind eye to the payment due to "damages to Cardiff". It's absolutely disgusting that we're being like that. What about the damages to Nantes? They've also lost a player that the club, players & fans have much more of a connection to than we do, and not only that, they would also lose the transfer value of the player if Cardiff do not pay.

Unfortunately, it's very very obvious that our club owes Nantes the money, and any interest that we may have to pay in the future because of our delay is our own fault. Sometimes you just have to accept defeat and admit our club is really really really in the wrong here. Shambles.

Agree with you on the whole, the reasoning is farcical really. However it isn’t due to being under an incorrect transfer type as such, it is due to Cardiff agreeing a signing on fee with Sala in a structure that they do not permit. They agreed with Sala that it would be paid up front when PL regulations state a signing on fee must be structured over the length of the contract. They are sometimes referred to as loyalty bonuses. It was an error on the clubs part for not knowing PL regulations and nothing to do with Nantes.

It does not matter if you agree with the reasoning or not.
The main fact is that the contract of employment was not complete, the original was rejected for legitimate reasons making it null and void and as such Sala was not legally a Cardiff player at the time of his death.
Cardiff should win this legally
Morally is a different story

It does not matter if you agree with the reasoning or not.
The main fact is that the contract of employment was not complete, the original was rejected for legitimate reasons making it null and void and as such Sala was not legally a Cardiff player at the time of his death.
Cardiff should win this legally
Morally is a different story

How did you come to that conclusion? Did you not read the document in full or is it just a case of not understanding what is in it?

It does not matter if you agree with the reasoning or not.
The main fact is that the contract of employment was not complete, the original was rejected for legitimate reasons making it null and void and as such Sala was not legally a Cardiff player at the time of his death.
Cardiff should win this legally
Morally is a different story

How did you come to that conclusion? Did you not read the document in full or is it just a case of not understanding what is in it?

Or you misinterpreting it ?

Or you misinterpreting it ?

Clearly not, It’s straight forward, which is why FIFA also agree.

You seem to think that Premier League registration constitutes an employment contract... it doesn’t. Not even close.

This coming January won't be included in the three window transfer ban, if it comes to that.

The 45 day notice period is frozen pending the case at the Court of Arbitration for Sport - we have until the end of November to present our case for that.

By the time the case is heard at CAS, and assuming we fail, 45 days will take us past the end of January.

I don't expect us to win at CAS, so I really hope that the club just pay the money. Still of the opinion we should have done that from the start of all this.

If we don't then January is our last chance to register new players until January 2022.

The question that bugs me in all this is if Sala refused to get on the plane and remained in France could Nantes have sold him to another club without intervention by Cardiff ?

The question that bugs me in all this is if Sala refused to get on the plane and remained in France could Nantes have sold him to another club without intervention by Cardiff ?

No. Nantes ended his employment on the 19th of Jan which was ratified by the French Football Association. Cardiff also signed an employment contract with him in the 19th which was ratified by the Welsh FA.

If he didn’t get on the plane then he would be AWOL and Cardiff would be entitled to withhold his salary payment. They could also then sue him for damages with regards to the transfer fee, which they would still have to pay in full even if he refused to play a single minute.

The question is can we surive 3 seasons with the ageing squad we have, chelsea could because of the quality in there squad we will have to pay imo, otherwise we are going to slip down the division, bobby reids transfer will pay a big chunk and off loading madine, if we don't pay this money i fear the support will also dwindle.

The question is can we surive 3 seasons with the ageing squad we have, chelsea could because of the quality in there squad we will have to pay imo, otherwise we are going to slip down the division, bobby reids transfer will pay a big chunk and off loading madine, if we don't pay this money i fear the support will also dwindle.

its not going to come to that though...
this CAS tribunal will take place between this Jan window and the summer one.
Cardiff City win ..pay zero and no ban/
Cardiff City lose...we have no option but to pay...= ban lifted...

what I do not see is us spending much in January with a chance of having to shortly cough up 6,300,00 million euros plus another 6,000,000 { the 2nd instalment } which becomes due on the 27th of January.{ will probably be obverdue by the time CAS decides..

The story here surely is not the regurgitating of the same old stuff but the potential implications for our club of a transfer ban.

Our manager says he is retiring, most of us say thanks for all you've done but time for that to happen and consensus seems to be we wouldn't entrust Sir Neil with a transfer budget in January anyway.

Even with the potential of a transfer ban no new manager of any substance will want to touch us with a barge pole.

Whilst this goes on and on and on, the damage to our club is likely to be more than reputational.

It needs to be brought to an end even if it costs Tan more than he wants. I assume we haven't asked for a refund for Madine and Glatzel and reality is they've contributed as much as Sala, God Rest His Soul, have to our clubs cause.

City will not go through a 3 window ban that is unsustainable and not comparable with a championship club unless of course tan wants us relegated to div 2? We will pay up if and when required ! People getting knickers in twist because stories come on here without a clue whats going on in background and the procedures required before any ban can be implemented... all those saying we will get ban are assuming city wont pay up just dont see club committing suicide by refusing to pay.

City will not go through a 3 window ban that is unsustainable and not comparable with a championship club unless of course tan wants us relegated to div 2? We will pay up if and when required ! People getting knickers in twist because stories come on here without a clue whats going on in background and the procedures required before any ban can be implemented... all those saying we will get ban are assuming city wont pay up just dont see club committing suicide by refusing to pay.

Allan ….people are discussing it as its news just like you are. .and its not a story from someone who has not got a clue..its a FIFA document..

City will not go through a 3 window ban that is unsustainable and not comparable with a championship club unless of course tan wants us relegated to div 2? We will pay up if and when required ! People getting knickers in twist because stories come on here without a clue whats going on in background and the procedures required before any ban can be implemented... all those saying we will get ban are assuming city wont pay up just dont see club committing suicide by refusing to pay.

Allan ….people are discussing it as its news just like you are. .and its not a story from someone who has not got a clue..its a FIFA document..

A statement yes but can you tell anyone the facts behind what fifa as said other than can impose ban which we all know anyway? Does Anyone know what city have said to them regarding payments? What I'm saying is people are speculating on what's going to happen based on city not paying nante and without knowing what effect CAS as on the situation? If you or anyone thinks tan will allow club to have a 3 window ban are nuts as its unsustainable for us as a club by any strentch of anyones imagination it will mean certain relegation and loss of fans ect ect so it wont happen.....

Does anyone one on here know how the deal was structured ?

The media reported transfer fees are often overstated or exaggerated and include the agents and other "additional fees" and bonuses that hang around modern day transfers.

Madines was £2 mill that rose to £6mill if we were promoted...thus a £6 mill transfer

Was Sala's a fee plus additional staying up payment, number of goals and appearances payments

City will not go through a 3 window ban that is unsustainable and not comparable with a championship club unless of course tan wants us relegated to div 2? We will pay up if and when required ! People getting knickers in twist because stories come on here without a clue whats going on in background and the procedures required before any ban can be implemented... all those saying we will get ban are assuming city wont pay up just dont see club committing suicide by refusing to pay.

Allan ….people are discussing it as its news just like you are. .and its not a story from someone who has not got a clue..its a FIFA document..

A statement yes but can you tell anyone the facts behind what fifa as said other than can impose ban which we all know anyway? Does Anyone know what city have said to them regarding payments? What I'm saying is people are speculating on what's going to happen based on city not paying nante and without knowing what effect CAS as on the situation? If you or anyone thinks tan will allow club to have a 3 window ban are nuts as its unsustainable for us as a club by any strentch of anyones imagination it will mean certain relegation and loss of fans ect ect so it wont happen.....

we all know what City have said regarding payments.. we do not think we { the club } owe anything .
people are not speculating. as things stand its a fact that if we do not pay we will get sanctioned by FIFA who have mentioned a 3 window ban.
the only speculation is by you.. assuming what Tan might do...I do agree and do not think he would allow that..but its speculation..

Does anyone one on here know how the deal was structured ?

The media reported transfer fees are often overstated or exaggerated and include the agents and other "additional fees" and bonuses that hang around modern day transfers.

Madines was £2 mill that rose to £6mill if we were promoted...thus a £6 mill transfer

Was Sala's a fee plus additional staying up payment, number of goals and appearances payments

I've raised the same Llan. Headline £17 million not likely to be a real £17 million. Agent says he not taking his cut and any PL survival bonus unfortunately not payable either nor are any bonuses to Nantes relating to Salas goals or performance. I doubt anyone knows with certainty how it's structured but wouldn't surprise me if closer to £10 than £17 million. Still a very large amount of money but shouldn't be a bad news story and a story to hit the club with coming up to a year after it happened.

Does anyone one on here know how the deal was structured ?

The media reported transfer fees are often overstated or exaggerated and include the agents and other "additional fees" and bonuses that hang around modern day transfers.

Madines was £2 mill that rose to £6mill if we were promoted...thus a £6 mill transfer

Was Sala's a fee plus additional staying up payment, number of goals and appearances payments

I've raised the same Llan. Headline £17 million not likely to be a real £17 million. Agent says he not taking his cut and any PL survival bonus unfortunately not payable either nor are any bonuses to Nantes relating to Salas goals or performance. I doubt anyone knows with certainty how it's structured but wouldn't surprise me if closer to £10 than £17 million. Still a very large amount of money but shouldn't be a bad news story and a story to hit the club with coming up to a year after it happened.

its all in that FIFA document
6 mill last jan
6 mill this jan
6 mill jan 2021
plus a mill had we stayed up plus another 500k should we have stayed up again.followed by 500k if we stayed up 3 times

The legal process has to be exhausted before any ‘judgment’ can be effected.

City could offer to put the money into a designated account to abide the final judicial decision; that would show good faith.

I love the way supporters think they can just tell a business to pay 15 million . Tan and the club have their reasons for not paying and I can see why as mush as it sounds a bit harsh and who cares what others think of us we are not liked by any other club or the FA anyway.

But if that agent and Nantes didn't stick their nose in and arrange that unsafe and illegal flight when Cardiff had already arranged a commercial flight then he would be alive but because the poor kid didn't want to come to Cardiff and was pushed by nantes why they got a crook agent to push it through is the reason we are in this sad mess and a young man lost his life.

Cardiff City are being slammed and I think it is unfair when you see the terrible way it was all done so I don't blame Cardiff for not paying the money until its all been investigated and that is fair as this young man would still be alive if Nantes were not so keen to get rid of him for the money so they are not squeaky clean in this and that agent and pilot and that plane is what caused the death of Sala not Cardiff City.

I love the way supporters think they can just tell a business to pay 15 million . Tan and the club have their reasons for not paying and I can see why as mush as it sounds a bit harsh and who cares what others think of us we are not liked by any other club or the FA anyway.

But if that agent and Nantes didn't stick their nose in and arrange that unsafe and illegal flight when Cardiff had already arranged a commercial flight then he would be alive but because the poor kid didn't want to come to Cardiff and was pushed by nantes why they got a crook agent to push it through is the reason we are in this sad mess and a young man lost his life.

Cardiff City are being slammed and I think it is unfair when you see the terrible way it was all done so I don't blame Cardiff for not paying the money until its all been investigated and that is fair as this young man would still be alive if Nantes were not so keen to get rid of him for the money so they are not squeaky clean in this and that agent and pilot and that plane is what caused the death of Sala not Cardiff City.

Cardiff offered to arrange a flight. which he had turned down.
think his first text to mckays son...in response to jack mckays text was ..good, I was in the process of looking up flights to Nantes when you texted ..
that sounds like ES felt it neither the responsibility of Cardiff or Nantes but down to him. which tbh you would expect with any player, our other players jet about without the club being involved ?

I love the way supporters think they can just tell a business to pay 15 million . Tan and the club have their reasons for not paying and I can see why as mush as it sounds a bit harsh and who cares what others think of us we are not liked by any other club or the FA anyway.

But if that agent and Nantes didn't stick their nose in and arrange that unsafe and illegal flight when Cardiff had already arranged a commercial flight then he would be alive but because the poor kid didn't want to come to Cardiff and was pushed by nantes why they got a crook agent to push it through is the reason we are in this sad mess and a young man lost his life.

Cardiff City are being slammed and I think it is unfair when you see the terrible way it was all done so I don't blame Cardiff for not paying the money until its all been investigated and that is fair as this young man would still be alive if Nantes were not so keen to get rid of him for the money so they are not squeaky clean in this and that agent and pilot and that plane is what caused the death of Sala not Cardiff City.

Nantes didn’t arrange the flight. He wasn’t their player at the time, they had nothing to do with it.

Cardiff offered him a bog standard budget commercial flight that was not convenient in the timeframe he had. They only offered him a €95 flight that he would have to travel 4 hours to get to. Ridiculous way to treat a £15m investment.

Had Cardiff properly looked after the players needs and stumped up the €3,900 for a chartered business flight then he wouldn’t feel the need to look elsewhere and none of this would have happened. As his late dad said “he was abandoned”.

Even though Cardiff did neglect his needs, they still may have a case against Willie McKays company - but considering he is bankrupt I don’t see much point in that. It won’t affect the contract between the club and Nantes and the damages awarded from his company (if it got to that) wouldn’t be able to be fulfilled.

However, the case they have put to FIFA is ludicrous.

Given the awkwardness of the commercial route, or the cost of the alternative, it was a trip he didn't need to make.

He wasn't signed in time to play on the Saturday but he could have/ should have been with his new team.

Bloody ridiculous arriving in your new home the night before your first training session.

Anyway.....

Thank you for laying out its £6 million times three plus two £500,000 add ons. I'm surprised addons so minimal. Those numbers don't seem to account for Agents fees though? Or do Agents fees come out of £6 million installments?

Also forgotten here is the club Nantes bought Sala from I believe had a beneficial interest. They are waiting for money too.