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Young children feeling safe to attend football games at CCS.

Nathan Bees started this petition to Cardiff City FC

At our great club being Cardiff City FC the dark days of violence are a rarity. We have been praised with our support by authorities and within our club from the team manager to our liaison officers.

One issue that should be addressed is somewhat out of our control in Cardiff. The minority of clubs and the minority of certain clubs supporters.

The location of our family stand is somewhat unsafe.

Today, (2/11/19) we had a home fixture vs Birmingham City where a young chlld (4yrs)was struck by a coin thrown by visiting fans.

I'm not saying that coin thrown by that individual would have been condoned had it struck an adult but young children are the future of support for football clubs.

Having a family stand so close to visitors is a bit clueless in family safety in my opinion. As a football club we were getting somewhere in terms of matters off the pitch before we moved to the Cardiff City stadium. Fewer arrests etc... At our previous home, Ninian Park away supporters were behind 1 goal and the family stand was behind the other. That worked well, atmosphere was great. Children were safer.

At Cardiff City stadium the family stand was situated right next to visitors.

It's time for a change. Time for Cardiff City to try and generate an atmosphere that could come close to what we had at Ninian Park. Only 1 way that can be possible.

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They could prevent people throwing coins or other objects by putting a net screen between the away fans and the family stand. I think that moving the away fans to another part of the stadium could cause friction between both sets of fans

We've had this debate numerous times and it still isn't a good idea for specific reason that it will promote trouble between fans! As a club city gave been active for many years to improve their image because of fan troubles in the past? Why potentially go backwards in that regard? yesterday's incident is rare although verbal abuse is probably common but it doesnt warrant a rethink of seating being changed! As for atmosphere that's dependent on the game and what's happening during it same at all grounds...
As been said net a simple solution to coin throwing..

This article above explains what was going on behind us during yesterday's match, when I saw a mother being escorted whilst carrying her distressed child out of 117/118

I could see some of our support extremely agitated and there was a sudden increase in Steward numbers with some Police, too

I have to say that if that was what happened, then Birmingham City fans in that area should be ashamed of themselves. Yes, it only took one 'fan' to throw the coin but others in that area would have seen him/her do it (maybe even 'laugh') as he/she did it!

The change in mood in that area was massive once our second goal went in; dropping almost as fast as their team's spirit in their own capitulation

Hang your heads in shame, Birmingham City FC fans. How hard must you be to do such a cowardly and random thing?

It might be that someone pointed this individual out but I somehow doubt it

Could be an opportune moment for Cardiff City FC (and maybe Birmingham City FC) to contact the family of the child assaulted and make some sort of gesture that could help ensure that particular family's last experience of a usually 'safe' Cardiff City Stadium isn't a negative one

I just hope the little child was okay in the end?

This article above explains what was going on behind us during yesterday's match, when I saw a mother being escorted whilst carrying her distressed child out of 117/118

I could see some of our support extremely agitated and there was a sudden increase in Steward numbers with some Police, too

I have to say that if that was what happened, then Birmingham City fans in that area should be ashamed of themselves. Yes, it only took one 'fan' to throw the coin but others in that area would have seen him/her do it (maybe even 'laugh') as he/she did it!

The change in mood in that area was massive once our second goal went in; dropping almost as fast as their team's spirit in their own capitulation

Hang your heads in shame, Birmingham City FC fans. How hard must you be to do such a cowardly and random thing?

It might be that someone pointed this individual out but I somehow doubt it

Could be an opportune moment for Cardiff City FC (and maybe Birmingham City FC) to contact the family of the child assaulted and make some sort of gesture that could help ensure that particular family's last experience of a usually 'safe' Cardiff City Stadium isn't a negative one

I just hope the little child was okay in the end?

Good post sven and hopefully club and Birmingham offer an apology to people involved with maybe a sighned shirt as a gesture? Think club will take look at situation regarding a net after all used all over Europe to stop missiles being lobbed at fans... going to today's football is about fan experience and putting away fans next to our lot is only going to go one way increased atmosphere probably but increase in trouble certainly! Is it worth it definitely not...

I’ve sat down that end a few times with my girls (normally go in Grange End if on my own) and a few times I’ve been appalled at the abuse and aggressiveness of away fans towards the family stand, it doesn’t make for the enjoyment of the game when you are put in that position.

I was at Ninnian Park on my 18th birthday (in the Bob bank) when the jacks ripped the seats out and threw them towards the family section, I remember that night was a bad night but never felt uneasy at a match since then (even standing in the Vetch amongst jacks when we were banned from travelling and lost 1-0) until sat in the family stand with my girls.

The problem with moving the away support is there’s not an ideal place to move them, they won’t be put in either corner near Grange End, the only other place for them to go is up into the new tier, but then that gives them the opportunity to throw things down onto home fans..... Man Utd had a spell of away fans in a top tier (went up to watch them against Blackburn Rovers in a cup match) and they ended up moving the away section to in front of the media suite because of that exact issue not long after that match.

I think the only real way to sort it is to have travelling family tickets only sat in the section next to the family stand and put the rest on the other side

I feel its a stupid idea putting the Family stand next to the away support.

Did not the Birmingham fans cause a scene last lime they visited Cardiff? The Birmingham game was a high risk one in the 70/80s and it looks like the problem has not been totally solved. Both clubs need to come together and come up with a solution.

Just put netting up. ( Hope it's better than the old Grange End version )

If u remember a few seasons ago the Birmingham fans tried to have a go at the family stand. They seem to target easy victims. Nash needs to address the family area.

I spent a few years in the family stand and this isn't isolated .But, we had some right nutters in the family stand who seemed to have totally forgot what its purpose was who spent the entire game as if it was an away game gesticulating with the opposition fans who are probably unaware it is a family stand based upon the actions of a few of our fans.

Our ground is almost a fort knox of football grounds, designed for what we were, but that DNA is still there. Sending several thousand Canton enders over the other side of the ground would go against the entire principle of the grounds design.

We do need a fire proof net though

Has to stay where it is as how could away fans enter at the Canton end?

Birmingham need to take responsibility by publicly condemning the actions of a few and and Cardiff identifying the culprits by way of Cctv.

I spent a few years in the family stand and this isn't isolated .But, we had some right nutters in the family stand who seemed to have totally forgot what its purpose was who spent the entire game as if it was an away game gesticulating with the opposition fans who are probably unaware it is a family stand based upon the actions of a few of our fans.

Our ground is almost a fort knox of football grounds, designed for what we were, but that DNA is still there. Sending several thousand Canton enders over the other side of the ground would go against the entire principle of the grounds design.

We do need a fire proof net though

I used to go in the family stand until a few years ago and agree totally with you regarding the behaviour of some of the fathers of young children gesturing to the away fans. It was pathetic. I also was of the opinion that the way fans were probably unaware that it was a family stand because of the behaviour of some of those. Don't know what its like now and not in anyway excusing the Brummies for their behaviour.

I thought the idea was putting away fans next to the family stand there would be less liklyhood of them kicking off against kids.
We seemed to alter the away end, was it after our promotion to the prem the away where closer to the ninian but a bit of trouble there so they took away more of the family section and moved the away fans around away from the ninian thats how it looked from the canton end.

At end of day it's been designed as a safe stadium with minimal chance of trouble inside ground, we have minimal if any police presence for crowd control (except high profile games) why change that just because some fans think we'll have better atmosphere moving our problem fans next to them? We haven't won best family experience countless times or the league use our away end as bench mark for how to accommodate away fans ! People are saying bern problems family stand all the time can you imagine putting Canton end fans next to away fans more policing more stewards probably crowd troubles with certain teams..... wba used countless police at our game there why? At city you see a dozen at most outside away entrance thats because our fans who cause trouble are other side of stadium so cannot be near away fans and because of design stadium away fans 200yrds away from the rd. No trouble possible unless pick on individuals who use cars or train.....

I thought the idea was putting away fans next to the family stand there would be less liklyhood of them kicking off against kids.
We seemed to alter the away end, was it after our promotion to the prem the away where closer to the ninian but a bit of trouble there so they took away more of the family section and moved the away fans around away from the ninian thats how it looked from the canton end.

There is a bigger separation at ninian stand end theyve also put in 3ft rail barrier to make it more manageable for stewards to patrol... family stand as made it far less likely for trouble although never stop idiots like brum fan throwing coins ect

You always know which clubs it will be.. Brum, Millwall, Leeds, Stoke, West Ham etc. Basically, all the clubs we have a history with. Just restrict their numbers and don’t take the shilling.

In a way tho, I enjoy the needle between sets of fans.. I know, it’s sad.

I've been away with the city to virtually every ground in the country.the vast majority of times we are put next to home clubs most vocal fans .helps create an atmosphere cant see why its different at the CCS

We've had this debate numerous times and it still isn't a good idea for specific reason that it will promote trouble between fans! As a club city gave been active for many years to improve their image because of fan troubles in the past? Why potentially go backwards in that regard? yesterday's incident is rare although verbal abuse is probably common but it doesnt warrant a rethink of seating being changed! As for atmosphere that's dependent on the game and what's happening during it same at all grounds...
As been said net a simple solution to coin throwing..

Agreed. Can you imagine what would be thrown if the family stand were to be occupied By 20/30 year olds goading away fans. It’ll be more than 10p

I've been away with the city to virtually every ground in the country.the vast majority of times we are put next to home clubs most vocal fans .helps create an atmosphere cant see why its different at the CCS

Our ground is one if if not the newest in top two divisions so it was planned with away fans in mind regarding segregation! There as been minor trouble at several away games I've been too with fans having to get to coaches via the street so coming into contact with home fans and it's not only home fans looking for trouble either? Technically home fans by away fans at CCs but there is a large gap between ninian stand and away end that's the difference to older grounds where it's not possible to have big gap .

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I've been away with the city to virtually every ground in the country.the vast majority of times we are put next to home clubs most vocal fans .helps create an atmosphere cant see why its different at the CCS

Our ground is one if if not the newest in top two divisions so it was planned with away fans in mind regarding segregation! There as been minor trouble at several away games I've been too with fans having to get to coaches via the street so coming into contact with home fans and it's not only home fans looking for trouble either? Technically home fans by away fans at CCs but there is a large gap between ninian stand and away end that's the difference to older grounds where it's not possible to have big gap .

It's a toughie but to be fair, the number of incidents like this are very few and far between and it is difficult for any club to pre-empt the stupidity of the odd idiot; but the situation should be (a) that the cameras should be picking these things up dynamically, and (b) those around should be making sure certain boundaries are not crossed by their own

I'm all for the 'banter' of a match day myself and I've seen some beauts over the years, including the fat bloke from Man City in the old Grange End who had to be led out for his own (mental, I'm sure) safety and that shouldn't stop; but equally, those who attend have a right to be able to attend a football (or any other) sporting event in relative safety

The club(s) have a duty of care to all in the stadium and (so far as I can see) our stewards are, in the main, pretty good; despite the moans of some who are their own biggest problem at any given game

Funny enough, I was thinking about the fat bloke in the Grange earlier today..he’s becoming a legend.
Who was the fat bloke?

I know the Phantom Whistler..

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I've been away with the city to virtually every ground in the country.the vast majority of times we are put next to home clubs most vocal fans .helps create an atmosphere cant see why its different at the CCS

Our ground is one if if not the newest in top two divisions so it was planned with away fans in mind regarding segregation! There as been minor trouble at several away games I've been too with fans having to get to coaches via the street so coming into contact with home fans and it's not only home fans looking for trouble either? Technically home fans by away fans at CCs but there is a large gap between ninian stand and away end that's the difference to older grounds where it's not possible to have big gap .

It's a toughie but to be fair, the number of incidents like this are very few and far between and it is difficult for any club to pre-empt the stupidity of the odd idiot; but the situation should be (a) that the cameras should be picking these things up dynamically, and (b) those around should be making sure certain boundaries are not crossed by their own

I'm all for the 'banter' of a match day myself and I've seen some beauts over the years, including the fat bloke from Man City in the old Grange End who had to be led out for his own (mental, I'm sure) safety and that shouldn't stop; but equally, those who attend have a right to be able to attend a football (or any other) sporting event in relative safety

The club(s) have a duty of care to all in the stadium and (so far as I can see) our stewards are, in the main, pretty good; despite the moans of some who are their own biggest problem at any given game

Duty of care is crunch bit as the club obviously learned from ninian park problems where fans able to interact with all the aggro it brought. ... people should be happy in going to ccs its a good experience and dont have to feel threatened or scared..

I've been away with the city to virtually every ground in the country.the vast majority of times we are put next to home clubs most vocal fans .helps create an atmosphere cant see why its different at the CCS

Reading have actually moved their vocal fans next to the away fans this season to create atmosphere..{which is why the away allocation has dropped }.

I 100% think the away end should be moved next to the canton. Canton/ninian corner. Yes it would create a better atmosphere as it does in every other ground that do it. It keeps the hardcore away from the families and will probably mean more police/ stewards.

Away at Swansea town and west brom we were drowned out completely. Both results were poor so it does have an effect on away fans / teams.

Our stadium and fans are some of the best once we get going but we could be a lot more hostile for the away team and make teams fear coming here.

If you have ever sat in the family stand..and I've sat in every stand...you will struggle to hear the canton because the away fans drown it out with the distance between. Away fans must think our atmosphere is terrible at times.

Our home is a fortress at the moment so let's make it even more so and also help protect the young families in the family stand

I 100% think the away end should be moved next to the canton. Canton/ninian corner. Yes it would create a better atmosphere as it does in every other ground that do it. It keeps the hardcore away from the families and will probably mean more police/ stewards.

Away at Swansea town and west brom we were drowned out completely. Both results were poor so it does have an effect on away fans / teams.

Our stadium and fans are some of the best once we get going but we could be a lot more hostile for the away team and make teams fear coming here.

If you have ever sat in the family stand..and I've sat in every stand...you will struggle to hear the canton because the away fans drown it out with the distance between. Away fans must think our atmosphere is terrible at times.

Our home is a fortress at the moment so let's make it even more so and also help protect the young families in the family stand

So having rival fans shouting abuse at each other at close quarters is preferable to having no police and less stewards? What about after games there are half dozen games where there needs to be massive police presence to keep order, only need look at swansea game to see problem? Did you know liverpool away fans are in same stand as their family zone? Anfield rd

I 100% think the away end should be moved next to the canton. Canton/ninian corner. Yes it would create a better atmosphere as it does in every other ground that do it. It keeps the hardcore away from the families and will probably mean more police/ stewards.

Away at Swansea town and west brom we were drowned out completely. Both results were poor so it does have an effect on away fans / teams.

Our stadium and fans are some of the best once we get going but we could be a lot more hostile for the away team and make teams fear coming here.

If you have ever sat in the family stand..and I've sat in every stand...you will struggle to hear the canton because the away fans drown it out with the distance between. Away fans must think our atmosphere is terrible at times.

Our home is a fortress at the moment so let's make it even more so and also help protect the young families in the family stand

So having rival fans shouting abuse at each other at close quarters is preferable to having no police and less stewards? What about after games there are half dozen games where there needs to be massive police presence to keep order, only need look at swansea game to see problem? Did you know liverpool away fans are in same stand as their family zone? Anfield rd

after the game ?
the away fans come out into a paddock / car park which is ringed by a substantial fence...besides we are next to the home lot most away games ...whats the difference ?

I've been away with the city to virtually every ground in the country.the vast majority of times we are put next to home clubs most vocal fans .helps create an atmosphere cant see why its different at the CCS

Reading have actually moved their vocal fans next to the away fans this season to create atmosphere..{which is why the away allocation has dropped }.

I don’t really see why we don’t do this either. The ground could really do with some livening up. I don’t think there would be an increase in trouble either, you are looking at jail these days, not a slap on the wrist or just getting away with it like the old days. Is there ever trouble at grounds where away fans sit next to the vocal away fans? The liberty for example? Don’t think so?
I’ve taken my two young boys (4 &6 )twice, both times they had to listen to overweight northern clowns shouting obscenities and swearing loudly whilst staring at us, not more than 15 ft away. Pathetic really. Why dint they just move the families up to the red seats and cater for their needs up there? Safe and out the way...

I 100% think the away end should be moved next to the canton. Canton/ninian corner. Yes it would create a better atmosphere as it does in every other ground that do it. It keeps the hardcore away from the families and will probably mean more police/ stewards.

Away at Swansea town and west brom we were drowned out completely. Both results were poor so it does have an effect on away fans / teams.

Our stadium and fans are some of the best once we get going but we could be a lot more hostile for the away team and make teams fear coming here.

If you have ever sat in the family stand..and I've sat in every stand...you will struggle to hear the canton because the away fans drown it out with the distance between. Away fans must think our atmosphere is terrible at times.

Our home is a fortress at the moment so let's make it even more so and also help protect the young families in the family stand

So having rival fans shouting abuse at each other at close quarters is preferable to having no police and less stewards? What about after games there are half dozen games where there needs to be massive police presence to keep order, only need look at swansea game to see problem? Did you know liverpool away fans are in same stand as their family zone? Anfield rd

after the game ?
the away fans come out into a paddock / car park which is ringed by a substantial fence...besides we are next to the home lot most away games ...whats the difference ?

the club decided when building the stadium to keep fans separated area for safety reasons... away fans are next to ours at ccs so why move another stand to have away fans squeezed between two lots city fans or move away fans so that they're blocked in on two sides what's the point of that? Like I said before ccs is one of the newest stadiums in top 2 leagues and by far the best when comes to fan experience home and away hence won awards to that fact why change it so get more noise in ground? Do Wales games lack atmosphere When few away fans in ground ? No so blame fans for being quiet not where they sit.

I 100% think the away end should be moved next to the canton. Canton/ninian corner. Yes it would create a better atmosphere as it does in every other ground that do it. It keeps the hardcore away from the families and will probably mean more police/ stewards.

Away at Swansea town and west brom we were drowned out completely. Both results were poor so it does have an effect on away fans / teams.

Our stadium and fans are some of the best once we get going but we could be a lot more hostile for the away team and make teams fear coming here.

If you have ever sat in the family stand..and I've sat in every stand...you will struggle to hear the canton because the away fans drown it out with the distance between. Away fans must think our atmosphere is terrible at times.

Our home is a fortress at the moment so let's make it even more so and also help protect the young families in the family stand

So having rival fans shouting abuse at each other at close quarters is preferable to having no police and less stewards? What about after games there are half dozen games where there needs to be massive police presence to keep order, only need look at swansea game to see problem? Did you know liverpool away fans are in same stand as their family zone? Anfield rd

after the game ?
the away fans come out into a paddock / car park which is ringed by a substantial fence...besides we are next to the home lot most away games ...whats the difference ?

the club decided when building the stadium to keep fans separated area for safety reasons... away fans are next to ours at ccs so why move another stand to have away fans squeezed between two lots city fans or move away fans so that they're blocked in on two sides what's the point of that? Like I said before ccs is one of the newest stadiums in top 2 leagues and by far the best when comes to fan experience home and away hence won awards to that fact why change it so get more noise in ground? Do Wales games lack atmosphere When few away fans in ground ? No so blame fans for being quiet not where they sit.

well the club might be wrong you know... at Reading this year { modern stadia } we came out from exits no more than 10 yards from theirs and mingled..

I 100% think the away end should be moved next to the canton. Canton/ninian corner. Yes it would create a better atmosphere as it does in every other ground that do it. It keeps the hardcore away from the families and will probably mean more police/ stewards.

Away at Swansea town and west brom we were drowned out completely. Both results were poor so it does have an effect on away fans / teams.

Our stadium and fans are some of the best once we get going but we could be a lot more hostile for the away team and make teams fear coming here.

If you have ever sat in the family stand..and I've sat in every stand...you will struggle to hear the canton because the away fans drown it out with the distance between. Away fans must think our atmosphere is terrible at times.

Our home is a fortress at the moment so let's make it even more so and also help protect the young families in the family stand

So having rival fans shouting abuse at each other at close quarters is preferable to having no police and less stewards? What about after games there are half dozen games where there needs to be massive police presence to keep order, only need look at swansea game to see problem? Did you know liverpool away fans are in same stand as their family zone? Anfield rd

Yeah and last season we outsung them even though we lost