So fellow Welshmen

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

To try and get a bite you should at least have some factual evidence to your attempt. Zzzzzzz

To try and get a bite you should at least have some factual evidence to your attempt. Zzzzzzz

We had to limit the way allocation was done to make sure loyalty came 1st . Whst a ×××× they have not received any allocation yet match is January! think he's got confused with selling out to yanks or new investors never know which nowadays ?

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

Have you been drinking?

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

....,because you’re desperate to visit your capital city.

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

....,because you’re desperate to visit your capital city.

Nah they want to see home of wales football team!

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

You've dropped a right clanger here.

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

No-one I know has said we’re a big club.. it’s commonly a perception supporters of our smaller rivals have..

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

its quite common for most clubs in the top 2 tiers to sell tickets based on a loyalty scheme. as is also the case with Wales.
fully understanding you not quite grasping this …
not so understandable why you used minutes instead of days...? was 18 days mate. 25,920 minutes is also correct ,just a bit silly.

You struggled to sell your small ticket allocation to visit us, and you sy your a big club

We sold out in minutes

No-one I know has said we’re a big club.. it’s commonly a perception supporters of our smaller rivals have..

You can’t know very many people then

Who were those valley idiots that posted on here years ago that used to make stupid claims and genuinely seem to believe them? Was it ValleyRamWyn or CityGent? One of them said you were about the same size as Everton and the other said signing Cornelius who was the real deal and one of the brightest prospects in Europe was a marker of your position in the football world

I wouldn’t call Bristol City smaller btw, it’s fairly close. Although maybe you are slightly ahead of them now due to your PL seasons.

We are a big club.our history is very poor in my opinion but ALL the crowds in domestic football in wales and the west country in excess of 30000 have been at ninian park or the CCS.not Swansea or Bristol.can you imagine if we actually ever achieved something like establishing ourselves in the top flight or lifting a trophy?.

Very poor attempt at trolling

Very poor attempt at trolling

Just ignore mate. End of thread as far as I'm concerned.

You might want to worry about you're own away following my fellow Welshman what with you having one of the worst followings in the Championship last season.

Coming from a club who were top of the league when they played Stoke, kids for a quid promotion and only had 16600 attendance......

lets see your crowds next season in the Championship and we are back where we belong

See thousands less next season, a Jack promise to my fellow Welshmen, we are also increasing in number with Wales

You might want to worry about you're own away following my fellow Welshman what with you having one of the worst followings in the Championship last season.

Last time round, in your second season in the Championship you had an average away following of 800 odd, third worst following in the league, only slightly beating Wigan and Burton Albion.

Our away average is 50% than what yours was at 1250.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... 880863.amp

“Neil Warnock has fronted the club's season ticket campaign having repeatedly called on the fans to pack out Cardiff City Stadium as he looks to fire the Bluebirds into the promised land of the Premier League next season.

Attendances have increased in the Welsh capital since the Yorkshireman replaced former boss Paul Trollope, as you'd expect given the club's turnaround in fortunes under the guidance of the veteran manager.

On average, the Bluebirds have taken 849 supporters to away matches so far this season, with only Wigan (808) and Burton Albion (796) having lower figures than Cardiff.”

*(We are 14th in the league for away following, but on average travel the furthest)*

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-third-lowest-average-12880863.amp

“Neil Warnock has fronted the club's season ticket campaign having repeatedly called on the fans to pack out Cardiff City Stadium as he looks to fire the Bluebirds into the promised land of the Premier League next season.

Attendances have increased in the Welsh capital since the Yorkshireman replaced former boss Paul Trollope, as you'd expect given the club's turnaround in fortunes under the guidance of the veteran manager.

On average, the Bluebirds have taken 849 supporters to away matches so far this season, with only Wigan (808) and Burton Albion (796) having lower figures than Cardiff.”

*(We are 14th in the league for away following, but on average travel the furthest)*

always found these league tables dubious at best..
Walesaonline pinching it off football league zone ..ffs..
not sure anyone that's read that and swallowed it actually knows what AVERAGE means..
so far this season our allocation has been 2k or less at WBA and Reading as it will be for other visiting clubs..and these are not even the smaller grounds/allocations ..so how do you get a 3k plus average ,which it suggests some teams have ? not to mention Burton taking nearly 800 away regular

After reading that, it suggests that maybe you don’t know what average means, with respect.

It doesn’t mean Burton took 800 away regularly. If they take 1600 and then the next week 400 followed by 400 etc etc, their average is 800 - even though they haven’t had an 800 attendance once, let alone regularly.

In terms of allocation, as an away team you get MINIMUM 2000 or 10% of capacity (which ever is greater) should you want to take it. It’s clear that Newcastle, Leeds and Villa regularly sold their minimum allocation and asked for more. Most clubs don’t even take the 2000 because should they not sell out, they have to pay for them anyway.

Newcastle fans talking about it here saying they took 6,000 to Barnsley and Preston:-

https://www.themag.co.uk/2016/11/efl-ru ... le-united/

So the table is far from dubious and as far as I can see we have no reason to doubt it.

You might want to worry about you're own away following my fellow Welshman what with you having one of the worst followings in the Championship last season.

Anything to say for yourself young man?

These myths are a prime example of why I am here.

In case you haven’t followed the thread since. Our away attendance last year and your away attendance last time you were here are as follows:-

Cardiff 21st - 849
Swansea 14th - 1215

I’d love to understand the thinking behind the creation of these myths and the motivation behind them. RV, serious question here - what propelled you to make that up?

After reading that, it suggests that maybe you don’t know what average means, with respect.

It doesn’t mean Burton took 800 away regularly. If they take 1600 and then the next week 400 followed by 400 etc etc, their average is 800 - even though they haven’t had an 800 attendance once, let alone regularly.

In terms of allocation, as an away team you get MINIMUM 2000 or 10% of capacity (which ever is greater) should you want to take it. It’s clear that Newcastle, Leeds and Villa regularly sold their minimum allocation and asked for more. Most clubs don’t even take the 2000 because should they not sell out, they have to pay for them anyway.

Newcastle fans talking about it here saying they took 6,000 to Barnsley and Preston:-

https://www.themag.co.uk/2016/11/efl-ru ... le-united/

So the table is far from dubious and as far as I can see we have no reason to doubt it.

lol...6k for TWO GAMES..out of 23..and its me that does not know about average..
but no you don't get a minimum of 10% as mentioned re our allocations at wba and reading..and will not get 10% at the liberty..or will not get 3k plus at half the grounds we visit this season { im not talking how many we will sell }
the article is utter counjoured up bullshit...sorry but if you were a football fan youd know..

We never needed that many for you lot to shit yourselves..couple of hundred turn up and you’re gone.

Remember?

After reading that, it suggests that maybe you don’t know what average means, with respect.

It doesn’t mean Burton took 800 away regularly. If they take 1600 and then the next week 400 followed by 400 etc etc, their average is 800 - even though they haven’t had an 800 attendance once, let alone regularly.

In terms of allocation, as an away team you get MINIMUM 2000 or 10% of capacity (which ever is greater) should you want to take it. It’s clear that Newcastle, Leeds and Villa regularly sold their minimum allocation and asked for more. Most clubs don’t even take the 2000 because should they not sell out, they have to pay for them anyway.

Newcastle fans talking about it here saying they took 6,000 to Barnsley and Preston:-

https://www.themag.co.uk/2016/11/efl-ru ... le-united/

So the table is far from dubious and as far as I can see we have no reason to doubt it.

lol...6k for TWO GAMES..out of 23..and its me that does not know about average..
but no you don't get a minimum of 10% as mentioned re our allocations at wba and reading..and will not get 10% at the liberty..or will not get 3k plus at half the grounds we visit this season { im not talking how many we will sell }
the article is utter counjoured up bullshit...sorry but if you were a football fan youd know..

Huh? You still don’t seem to understand what an average is... or understand football league ticketing regulations for that matter.

6k away attendance for two games (those are just the two they are discussing) means that your incorrect assumption that every team gets 2000 allocation and no more, which is the reason why you were saying the table was dubious... was wrong.

And yes, yes you do get 10% (or 2000 depending on capacity) as a minimum. It’s football league rules, whether the club wants to take that up is another matter altogether.

You may not like the results of the findings, I understand that. But it’s better to not comment than to say the type of stuff you are attempting to say.

This is basic stuff.



EFL Rules on away fans

34.2.1 “Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club’s certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The League may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time.”

You might want to worry about you're own away following my fellow Welshman what with you having one of the worst followings in the Championship last season.

Last time round, in your second season in the Championship you had an average away following of 800 odd, third worst following in the league, only slightly beating Wigan and Burton Albion.

Our away average is 50% than what yours was at 1250.

Lets just put things into perspective seeing as you want to bang on about second seasons in the championship just to try and put swansea in a better light. Your second season follows the most successful period in the clubs history. Ours occurred when the club was in turmoil. I am sure our stats will be completely different next year compared to that season. You were top of the league when you played stoke and your crowd was pretty similar to what we averaged that season. So on the back of all that success you are on par with us when the club was at a low point. Congratulations. The fact that you want to take that as some sort of victory or triumph is pathetic and pretty embarrassing. Aww well at least you have got more likes on facebook than us.

Your average attendance away from home last season was 1050, the 17th lowest in league, just above Wigan and Millwall and just below Ipswich and Bolton. So again, on the back of all that success Bolton and Ipswich still had a better away following than you, Congratulations. Our average away attendance is currently 1800. More than 50% what you were getting in your first season after relegation. We can all spin figures from certain times to suit our argument but the fact you want to do it to prove we are at a similar level or that you took a few 100 more fans away is truly sad as f**k. Stick to arguing about halal meat you wet wipe.

Lets just put things into perspective seeing as you want to bang on about second seasons in the championship just to try and put swansea in a better light. Your second season follows the most successful period in the clubs history. Ours occurred when the club was in turmoil. I am sure our stats will be completely different next year compared to that season. You were top of the league when you played stoke and your crowd was pretty similar to what we averaged that season. So on the back of all that success you are on par with us when the club was at a low point. Congratulations. The fact that you want to take that as some sort of victory or triumph is pathetic and pretty embarrassing. Aww well at least you have got more likes on facebook than us.

Your average attendance away from home last season was 1050, the 17th lowest in league, just above Wigan and Millwall and just below Ipswich and Bolton. So again, on the back of all that success Bolton and Ipswich still had a better away following than you, Congratulations. Our average away attendance is currently 1800. More than 50% what you were getting in your first season after relegation. We can all spin figures from certain times to suit our argument but the fact you want to do it to prove we are at a similar level or that you took a few 100 more fans away is truly sad as f**k. Stick to arguing about halal meat you wet wipe.

Not trying to put anything in a better light, I'm trying to get fair comparisons. Comparing a season after relegation to someones second season is futile, one has Premier League sales inflating it and the other doesn't.

Your relegation season was the same as ours. We had a very unpopular American takeover with protests and a squad fire-sale, in the middle of a supporters Trust and owner legal wrangle. You had just been turned back to blue. To say you were in turmoil and everything was rosy in our garden is being extremely disingenuous.

As for on par with you, locally yes. But football is a global game which is why Juventus are bigger than Aston Villa even though they average the same attendances locally. Global interest is what dictates size which is why Juventus will guaranteed have more global social media interest - as will nearly all when checking if a club is larger than the other.

Our average away attendance last year was 1,215 putting us 14th, compared to your 849 which had you 22nd at the time (or 19th should you have done it at the time this table was formed)

Without doubt you are in a much better position than we were in our relegation season with many of you expecting to go straight back up where as due to the firesale we were happy with mid-table

The full stats are below:-

24. Millwall average 633 away supporters per game

23. Preston North End average 705 away supporters per game

22. Rotherham United average 778 away supporters per game

21. Reading average 842 away supporters per game

20. Brentford average 847 away supporters per game

19. Hull City average 925 away supporters per game

18. Wigan Athletic average 995 away supporters per game

17. Ipswich Town average 1,115 away supporters per game

16. Blackburn Rovers average 1,126 away supporters per game

15. Queens Park Rangers average 1,132 away supporters per game

14. Swansea City average 1,215 away supporters per game

13. Bristol City average 1,278 away supporters per game

12. Birmingham City average 1,339 away supporters per game

11. West Bromwich Albion average 1,351 away supporters per game

10. Middlesbrough average 1,660 away supporters per game

9. Derby County average 1,682 away supporters per game

8. Sheffield United average 1,645 away supporters per game

7. Norwich City average 1,874 away supporters per game

6. Leeds United average 2,200 away supporters per game

5. Aston Villa average 2,246 away supporters per game

4. Nottingham Forest average 2,286 away supporters per game

3. Bolton Wanderers average 2,503 away supporters per game

2. Stoke City average 2,682 away supporters per game

1. Sheffield Wednesday average 2,790 away supporters per game

Have you fallen into the trap of making up your average away attendance too by the way? I am not saying you have, but I don't see any record of it online, maybe I am looking in the wrong place. I always like to know the facts and be accurate prior to making my position clear.

Do you have a source I can look at?

After reading that, it suggests that maybe you don’t know what average means, with respect.

It doesn’t mean Burton took 800 away regularly. If they take 1600 and then the next week 400 followed by 400 etc etc, their average is 800 - even though they haven’t had an 800 attendance once, let alone regularly.

In terms of allocation, as an away team you get MINIMUM 2000 or 10% of capacity (which ever is greater) should you want to take it. It’s clear that Newcastle, Leeds and Villa regularly sold their minimum allocation and asked for more. Most clubs don’t even take the 2000 because should they not sell out, they have to pay for them anyway.

Newcastle fans talking about it here saying they took 6,000 to Barnsley and Preston:-

https://www.themag.co.uk/2016/11/efl-ru ... le-united/

So the table is far from dubious and as far as I can see we have no reason to doubt it.

lol...6k for TWO GAMES..out of 23..and its me that does not know about average..
but no you don't get a minimum of 10% as mentioned re our allocations at wba and reading..and will not get 10% at the liberty..or will not get 3k plus at half the grounds we visit this season { im not talking how many we will sell }
the article is utter counjoured up bullshit...sorry but if you were a football fan youd know..

Huh? You still don’t seem to understand what an average is... or understand football league ticketing regulations for that matter.

6k away attendance for two games (those are just the two they are discussing) means that your incorrect assumption that every team gets 2000 allocation and no more, which is the reason why you were saying the table was dubious... was wrong.

And yes, yes you do get 10% (or 2000 depending on capacity) as a minimum. It’s football league rules, whether the club wants to take that up is another matter altogether.

You may not like the results of the findings, I understand that. But it’s better to not comment than to say the type of stuff you are attempting to say.

This is basic stuff.



EFL Rules on away fans

34.2.1 “Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club’s certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The League may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time.”

Youve proven that the 2k figure is redundant as a club can reduce as they see fit ala Bristol giving us 1418 tickets and giving you 2300 tickets.

After reading that, it suggests that maybe you don’t know what average means, with respect.

It doesn’t mean Burton took 800 away regularly. If they take 1600 and then the next week 400 followed by 400 etc etc, their average is 800 - even though they haven’t had an 800 attendance once, let alone regularly.

In terms of allocation, as an away team you get MINIMUM 2000 or 10% of capacity (which ever is greater) should you want to take it. It’s clear that Newcastle, Leeds and Villa regularly sold their minimum allocation and asked for more. Most clubs don’t even take the 2000 because should they not sell out, they have to pay for them anyway.

Newcastle fans talking about it here saying they took 6,000 to Barnsley and Preston:-

https://www.themag.co.uk/2016/11/efl-ru ... le-united/

So the table is far from dubious and as far as I can see we have no reason to doubt it.

lol...6k for TWO GAMES..out of 23..and its me that does not know about average..
but no you don't get a minimum of 10% as mentioned re our allocations at wba and reading..and will not get 10% at the liberty..or will not get 3k plus at half the grounds we visit this season { im not talking how many we will sell }
the article is utter counjoured up bullshit...sorry but if you were a football fan youd know..

Huh? You still don’t seem to understand what an average is... or understand football league ticketing regulations for that matter.

6k away attendance for two games (those are just the two they are discussing) means that your incorrect assumption that every team gets 2000 allocation and no more, which is the reason why you were saying the table was dubious... was wrong.

And yes, yes you do get 10% (or 2000 depending on capacity) as a minimum. It’s football league rules, whether the club wants to take that up is another matter altogether.

You may not like the results of the findings, I understand that. But it’s better to not comment than to say the type of stuff you are attempting to say.

This is basic stuff.



EFL Rules on away fans

34.2.1 “Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club’s certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The League may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time.”

Youve proven that the 2k figure is redundant as a club can reduce as they see fit ala Bristol giving us 1418 tickets and giving you 2300 tickets.

Nope not redundant at all. They can not reduce as they see fit.

It is 2000 or 10% of capacity. It may be reduced upon written request, in that request they have to have valid security concerns or segregation issues. It is usually used for local derbies and exceptional circumstances.

If you are suggesting it is usual or common practice then you are wrong.

After reading that, it suggests that maybe you don’t know what average means, with respect.

It doesn’t mean Burton took 800 away regularly. If they take 1600 and then the next week 400 followed by 400 etc etc, their average is 800 - even though they haven’t had an 800 attendance once, let alone regularly.

In terms of allocation, as an away team you get MINIMUM 2000 or 10% of capacity (which ever is greater) should you want to take it. It’s clear that Newcastle, Leeds and Villa regularly sold their minimum allocation and asked for more. Most clubs don’t even take the 2000 because should they not sell out, they have to pay for them anyway.

Newcastle fans talking about it here saying they took 6,000 to Barnsley and Preston:-

https://www.themag.co.uk/2016/11/efl-ru ... le-united/

So the table is far from dubious and as far as I can see we have no reason to doubt it.

lol...6k for TWO GAMES..out of 23..and its me that does not know about average..
but no you don't get a minimum of 10% as mentioned re our allocations at wba and reading..and will not get 10% at the liberty..or will not get 3k plus at half the grounds we visit this season { im not talking how many we will sell }
the article is utter counjoured up bullshit...sorry but if you were a football fan youd know..

Huh? You still don’t seem to understand what an average is... or understand football league ticketing regulations for that matter.

6k away attendance for two games (those are just the two they are discussing) means that your incorrect assumption that every team gets 2000 allocation and no more, which is the reason why you were saying the table was dubious... was wrong.

And yes, yes you do get 10% (or 2000 depending on capacity) as a minimum. It’s football league rules, whether the club wants to take that up is another matter altogether.

You may not like the results of the findings, I understand that. But it’s better to not comment than to say the type of stuff you are attempting to say.

This is basic stuff.



EFL Rules on away fans

34.2.1 “Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club’s certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The League may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time.”

Youve proven that the 2k figure is redundant as a club can reduce as they see fit ala Bristol giving us 1418 tickets and giving you 2300 tickets.

Nope not redundant at all. They can not reduce as they see fit.

It is 2000 or 10% of capacity. It may be reduced upon written request, in that request they have to have valid security concerns or segregation issues. It is usually used for local derbies and exceptional circumstances.

If you are suggesting it is usual or common practice then you are wrong.

"may be reduced upon written request"

So they can reduce capacity below 10% or 2,000.

I'll say no more.