A word to the unwise.

AKA Brexiters

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When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Amazingly Steve, for myself and the majority of my friends and family things have probably improved since the vote. In terms of general day to day life/spending iv not felt a difference tbh, and I have not hered of a single person losing a job or their life being worse off as a result of vote leave.

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Amazingly Steve, for myself and the majority of my friends and family things have probably improved since the vote. In terms of general day to day life/spending iv not felt a difference tbh, and I have not hered of a single person losing a job or their life being worse off as a result of vote leave.

Never expected it to make a difference to the average man RV. When we joined the common market, me and my family did not suddenly become better off than when we stood alone, when I voted to remain in the EEC my living standards remained unchanged, and when the EU came into being, my living standards did not suddenly improve. I voted to leave, but if I am honest, I am won't be devastated whatever happens. I fully expect my standard of living to continue as it did before we joined, since we joined, and wherever we may be in the future. Unfortunately, any advantage or disadvantages will have a minimal effect on me as I don't have millions invested overseas or here in the UK.

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Amazingly Steve, for myself and the majority of my friends and family things have probably improved since the vote. In terms of general day to day life/spending iv not felt a difference tbh, and I have not hered of a single person losing a job or their life being worse off as a result of vote leave.

Never expected it to make a difference to the average man RV. When we joined the common market, me and my family did not suddenly become better off than when we stood alone, when I voted to remain in the EEC my living standards remained unchanged, and when the EU came into being, my living standards did not suddenly improve. I voted to leave, but if I am honest, I am won't be devastated whatever happens. I fully expect my standard of living to continue as it did before we joined, since we joined, and wherever we may be in the future. Unfortunately, any advantage or disadvantages will have a minimal effect on me as I don't have millions invested overseas or here in the UK.

Exactly mate, I am the same as you. I was listening on the Radio the other day and this bloke nailed it.

He said for those who want us to remain why don't they tell us why, sell it to us and tell us why we would be so much better staying in rather than shouting 'racist' to those who want to leave.

They don't seem to do that, he said, before the vote you wouldn't here anyone saying how great the EU was and how lucky we are to be in it and now they are all piping out of the woodwork. It definitely seems like the leavers are the silent majority to me. To a man and woman the majority of the people in my family, friends circle and in my place of work want out now if they didn't before.

Like you Steve, I don't think it will affect my life, but if there was a vote tomorow again I think leave would win by a landslide and I think the remainders know thst hence why they are trying every trick in the book to stop it by other ways.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

I had a go at some of them in the anti Brexit march in town today, buttonholed an mp or wag clown at the front, he had no answer to what I was asking him, so my votes worth nothing? Then had a chat with an Irish guy on the Hayes, he was decent and we spoke for a while about how the EU trade policies are killing Africa, said he’s got to get out of his Remain bubble. If everyone could act so reasonably and respect each other’s view the country could heal. Instead anyone who voted Leave was immediately branded an ignorant racist who didn’t know what they were voting for.

Lord Melbourne once said.

What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.

Never truer than about Brexit.

AKA Brexiters

Since when were you given powers to decide.. and by whom?

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Amazingly Steve, for myself and the majority of my friends and family things have probably improved since the vote. In terms of general day to day life/spending iv not felt a difference tbh, and I have not hered of a single person losing a job or their life being worse off as a result of vote leave.

Never expected it to make a difference to the average man RV. When we joined the common market, me and my family did not suddenly become better off than when we stood alone, when I voted to remain in the EEC my living standards remained unchanged, and when the EU came into being, my living standards did not suddenly improve. I voted to leave, but if I am honest, I am won't be devastated whatever happens. I fully expect my standard of living to continue as it did before we joined, since we joined, and wherever we may be in the future. Unfortunately, any advantage or disadvantages will have a minimal effect on me as I don't have millions invested overseas or here in the UK.

Exactly mate, I am the same as you. I was listening on the Radio the other day and this bloke nailed it.

He said for those who want us to remain why don't they tell us why, sell it to us and tell us why we would be so much better staying in rather than shouting 'racist' to those who want to leave.

They don't seem to do that, he said, before the vote you wouldn't here anyone saying how great the EU was and how lucky we are to be in it and now they are all piping out of the woodwork. It definitely seems like the leavers are the silent majority to me. To a man and woman the majority of the people in my family, friends circle and in my place of work want out now if they didn't before.

Like you Steve, I don't think it will affect my life, but if there was a vote tomorow again I think leave would win by a landslide and I think the remainders know thst hence why they are trying every trick in the book to stop it by other ways.

Fair points but I don’t think people you know or your family are representative of all are they? You live in the valleys I guess not cardiff and voted to leave like most, most people in larger urban areas voted to stay, probably due to being far more cosmopolitan.
You look at boris, Rees mogg and farage etc and think Christ alive, if anything, most people I know voted to stay and even more who voted to leave have changed due to lies by this lot. It’s all complete bull s anyway.....like said in this thread what difference will either way make? Nothing hardly at all, a few trade deals on imports etc....

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Amazingly Steve, for myself and the majority of my friends and family things have probably improved since the vote. In terms of general day to day life/spending iv not felt a difference tbh, and I have not hered of a single person losing a job or their life being worse off as a result of vote leave.

Never expected it to make a difference to the average man RV. When we joined the common market, me and my family did not suddenly become better off than when we stood alone, when I voted to remain in the EEC my living standards remained unchanged, and when the EU came into being, my living standards did not suddenly improve. I voted to leave, but if I am honest, I am won't be devastated whatever happens. I fully expect my standard of living to continue as it did before we joined, since we joined, and wherever we may be in the future. Unfortunately, any advantage or disadvantages will have a minimal effect on me as I don't have millions invested overseas or here in the UK.

Exactly mate, I am the same as you. I was listening on the Radio the other day and this bloke nailed it.

He said for those who want us to remain why don't they tell us why, sell it to us and tell us why we would be so much better staying in rather than shouting 'racist' to those who want to leave.

They don't seem to do that, he said, before the vote you wouldn't here anyone saying how great the EU was and how lucky we are to be in it and now they are all piping out of the woodwork. It definitely seems like the leavers are the silent majority to me. To a man and woman the majority of the people in my family, friends circle and in my place of work want out now if they didn't before.

Like you Steve, I don't think it will affect my life, but if there was a vote tomorow again I think leave would win by a landslide and I think the remainders know thst hence why they are trying every trick in the book to stop it by other ways.

Fair points but I don’t think people you know or your family are representative of all are they? You live in the valleys I guess not cardiff and voted to leave like most, most people in larger urban areas voted to stay, probably due to being far more cosmopolitan.
You look at boris, Rees mogg and farage etc and think Christ alive, if anything, most people I know voted to stay and even more who voted to leave have changed due to lies by this lot. It’s all complete bull s anyway.....like said in this thread what difference will either way make? Nothing hardly at all, a few trade deals on imports etc....

Of course not no.

I didn't vote mate, I was in France watching Euro 2016, my Mum voted remain but is now leave, my brother didn't vote but is now for leave, my Mrs family who are all Cardiff born and bred are for leave, I work in Newport where the people I work with mainly come from Newport and Cardiff with a few who commute from over the bridge and a sprinkling from the Valleys, the majority have had a tit full of it all, whenever the subject is discussed the general consensus is that they should just get on with it and get us out as what was voted for.

I suppose only time will tell now.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Still waiting, fella...!

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Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Try this. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019 ... ker-pound/

And this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -in-charts

And this from a couple of hours ago: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/phili ... xit-638090

And the main problem is that it has caused division, focused attention away from the real issues in this country. Farage has deliberately stirred up a hornets nest. Boris is driven by power and beholden to people who will make a lot of money out of Brexit. Those who funded the (Aaron Banks) are also concerned that their tax avoidance tricks are to be stopped by the EU https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... oms/03/09/

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote

AKA Brexiters

I see the comedy string of messages has been deleted. Too embarrasing?

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Not to mention how remain voters were fooled about 500.000 - 800.000 unemployed in the 2 years after triggering Brexit.

Costa Coffee Crew - you were blatantly lied to, it's irrational to keep believing a liar.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Try this. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019 ... ker-pound/

And this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -in-charts

And this from a couple of hours ago: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/phili ... xit-638090

And the main problem is that it has caused division, focused attention away from the real issues in this country. Farage has deliberately stirred up a hornets nest. Boris is driven by power and beholden to people who will make a lot of money out of Brexit. Those who funded the (Aaron Banks) are also concerned that their tax avoidance tricks are to be stopped by the EU https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... oms/03/09/

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote

What’s your solution then? Another referendum? Cancelling article 50 totally?

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote[/

This applies to Barnier, Juncker et al, and the Utopian dreamers..


Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.

(Shaw)

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Not to mention how remain voters were fooled about 500.000 - 800.000 unemployed in the 2 years after triggering Brexit.

Costa Coffee Crew - you were blatantly lied to, it's irrational to keep believing a liar.

That's why I have no ntention of listening to you.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Try this. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019 ... ker-pound/

And this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -in-charts

And this from a couple of hours ago: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/phili ... xit-638090

And the main problem is that it has caused division, focused attention away from the real issues in this country. Farage has deliberately stirred up a hornets nest. Boris is driven by power and beholden to people who will make a lot of money out of Brexit. Those who funded the (Aaron Banks) are also concerned that their tax avoidance tricks are to be stopped by the EU https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... oms/03/09/

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote

What’s your solution then? Another referendum? Cancelling article 50 totally?

I do not believe we should revoke Article 50 - unless it is the only way to stop a no deal. I believe the final deal should be put to the people. If yes we leave immediately. No we stay. People can then vote for the reality not unicorns.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Try this. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019 ... ker-pound/

And this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -in-charts

And this from a couple of hours ago: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/phili ... xit-638090

And the main problem is that it has caused division, focused attention away from the real issues in this country. Farage has deliberately stirred up a hornets nest. Boris is driven by power and beholden to people who will make a lot of money out of Brexit. Those who funded the (Aaron Banks) are also concerned that their tax avoidance tricks are to be stopped by the EU https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... oms/03/09/

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote

What’s your solution then? Another referendum? Cancelling article 50 totally?

I do not believe we should revoke Article 50 - unless it is the only way to stop a no deal. I believe the final deal should be put to the people. If yes we leave immediately. No we stay. People can then vote for the reality not unicorns.

As we have voted to leave already I think any referendum should involve three choices.

1) a soft Brexit with membership of a customs union prevalent.
2) a harder Brexit.
3) No deal Brexit.

No option should be on there to remain at all.

Enough said

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Yep.. the remain option is done. The only vote should be on how we leave.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Try this. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019 ... ker-pound/

And this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -in-charts

And this from a couple of hours ago: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/phili ... xit-638090

And the main problem is that it has caused division, focused attention away from the real issues in this country. Farage has deliberately stirred up a hornets nest. Boris is driven by power and beholden to people who will make a lot of money out of Brexit. Those who funded the (Aaron Banks) are also concerned that their tax avoidance tricks are to be stopped by the EU https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... oms/03/09/

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote

What’s your solution then? Another referendum? Cancelling article 50 totally?

I do not believe we should revoke Article 50 - unless it is the only way to stop a no deal. I believe the final deal should be put to the people. If yes we leave immediately. No we stay. People can then vote for the reality not unicorns.

You keep believing lies.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Try this. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019 ... ker-pound/

And this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -in-charts

And this from a couple of hours ago: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/phili ... xit-638090

And the main problem is that it has caused division, focused attention away from the real issues in this country. Farage has deliberately stirred up a hornets nest. Boris is driven by power and beholden to people who will make a lot of money out of Brexit. Those who funded the (Aaron Banks) are also concerned that their tax avoidance tricks are to be stopped by the EU https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... oms/03/09/

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote

What’s your solution then? Another referendum? Cancelling article 50 totally?

I do not believe we should revoke Article 50 - unless it is the only way to stop a no deal. I believe the final deal should be put to the people. If yes we leave immediately. No we stay. People can then vote for the reality not unicorns.

You keep believing lies.

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

AKA Brexiters

Come on, then...we're waiting fo you to justify your OP, fella!

Try this. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019 ... ker-pound/

And this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -in-charts

And this from a couple of hours ago: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/phili ... xit-638090

And the main problem is that it has caused division, focused attention away from the real issues in this country. Farage has deliberately stirred up a hornets nest. Boris is driven by power and beholden to people who will make a lot of money out of Brexit. Those who funded the (Aaron Banks) are also concerned that their tax avoidance tricks are to be stopped by the EU https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... oms/03/09/

People have been played. Farage, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al have created an enemy that really isn't one - that's how dictators work - and it has ben done for their own ends. But there is no way that people who voted leave will accept they have been played. Hence my the appropriateness of my the Twain quote

What’s your solution then? Another referendum? Cancelling article 50 totally?

I do not believe we should revoke Article 50 - unless it is the only way to stop a no deal. I believe the final deal should be put to the people. If yes we leave immediately. No we stay. People can then vote for the reality not unicorns.

You keep believing lies.

You need to lay of the coffee

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Never, this was the start of project fear, which is continuing, now they are trying smear campaigns and complaints about calling the Surrender Bill the Surrender Bill

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Amazingly Steve, for myself and the majority of my friends and family things have probably improved since the vote. In terms of general day to day life/spending iv not felt a difference tbh, and I have not hered of a single person losing a job or their life being worse off as a result of vote leave.

Never expected it to make a difference to the average man RV. When we joined the common market, me and my family did not suddenly become better off than when we stood alone, when I voted to remain in the EEC my living standards remained unchanged, and when the EU came into being, my living standards did not suddenly improve. I voted to leave, but if I am honest, I am won't be devastated whatever happens. I fully expect my standard of living to continue as it did before we joined, since we joined, and wherever we may be in the future. Unfortunately, any advantage or disadvantages will have a minimal effect on me as I don't have millions invested overseas or here in the UK.

Exactly mate, I am the same as you. I was listening on the Radio the other day and this bloke nailed it.

He said for those who want us to remain why don't they tell us why, sell it to us and tell us why we would be so much better staying in rather than shouting 'racist' to those who want to leave.

They don't seem to do that, he said, before the vote you wouldn't here anyone saying how great the EU was and how lucky we are to be in it and now they are all piping out of the woodwork. It definitely seems like the leavers are the silent majority to me. To a man and woman the majority of the people in my family, friends circle and in my place of work want out now if they didn't before.

Like you Steve, I don't think it will affect my life, but if there was a vote tomorow again I think leave would win by a landslide and I think the remainders know thst hence why they are trying every trick in the book to stop it by other ways.

People vote or argue for what they think will potentially be best for them, always have always will. I've got a mate who has lived in Ireland for years before moving to Spain, he didn't vote because he wasn't allowed, he moans every day about remaining because he will be affected if we leave, the cheeky git doesn't even live here?

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David Cameron speaking in 2013

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... inal-video

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David Cameron speaking in 2013

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... inal-video

The vote will be final, Paddy Ashdown said the same, turns out it's final unless they lose!!!

When you say easy to fool, perhaps you can answer a question I have asked numerous times, but still not received an answer. When is this emergency budget Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a yes vote going to happen. Don't forget, this was required to stop our economy from falling off the edge of a cliff. More than 3 years overdue now. When is this big rise in unemployment due, that was also supposed to be the result of us voting to leave. When does our stock market plummet, that is also 3 years or so overdue. As you say, it is easy to fool some people, but not everyone.

Never, this was the start of project fear, which is continuing, now they are trying smear campaigns and complaints about calling the Surrender Bill the Surrender Bill

Just watched a speech again that Osbourne made prior to the referendum. Some of the predictions he made if leave were to win the referendum - economy would be pushed into a recession, we would have a year of negative growth, half a million jobs would be lost and youth unemployment would rise by 10%, home prices would fall between 10% & 18%, and plenty more predictions where those came from. Not sure of the exact figures, I expect remainers can tell us what those figures really were and how accurate the Chancellor's forecast turned out to be.