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BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:16 pm

Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:33 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?




They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power... :old:

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:49 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?




They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power... :old:


But even the official leave campaigns said we'd leave with a deal, only when no deal became realistic did the PR campaign about how it's good come out.
By your logic about what was said on the ballot paper we could nuke the UK until there's not a shred of life left and there is no UK to be a part of the EU, would it be undemocratic not to want that?

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:03 pm

Neither!!! - both would be a disaster (:

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:33 pm

England would vote for a Brexit from Wales Scotland and N.I

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:46 pm

Just leave already....

Germany will be bankrupt within 5 years......

UK already have enough trade deals sorted to survive a No Deal Brexit, the EU stated regardless of who took over from TM the deal that was on the table was the only deal available and they wouldn’t renegotiate.

Corbyn won’t win a general election hence why he won’t attempt to force one by October 17th when they go back after summer break, he’s all piss and wind and as for Diane Abbot...... :banghead:

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:03 am

I'm a Labour voter.

Corbyn will NEVER win a GE. That's a fact.

People forget about the good things Blair did for this country.

That is the only sort of leader that will win an election for Labour against Johnson.

I voted Andy Burnham for Labour Leader and still believe he would beat Johnson.

Could do with a neither option.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:46 am

Politicians struggling to understand what the people of this country have TOLD them what to do so I will make put it in simple terms for them
LEAVE THE EU :banghead:

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:13 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?




They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power... :old:


But even the official leave campaigns said we'd leave with a deal, only when no deal became realistic did the PR campaign about how it's good come out.
By your logic about what was said on the ballot paper we could nuke the UK until there's not a shred of life left and there is no UK to be a part of the EU, would it be undemocratic not to want that?

Yawn, here we go again, Cameron spent £9m of tax payers money leafleting every home in the U.K. telling us clearly and unequivocally that a vote for leave meant leaving the Single Market, ECJ and the Customs Union. The last three years was plenty of time to work out new trade deals with the EU, instead of doing that May, Hammond and the Civil Service did everything they could to ignore the will of the people of the UK and keep us in this stagnant, failing project. We want to carry on trading with businesses in the EU, EU businesses want to carry on trading with us. Problem is self serving parasitic scum like Junkers, Barnier, Selmer and Verhofstadt wouldn’t have a gravy train to ride. Tusk trebled his salary when he got the EU post.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:19 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:I'm a Labour voter.

Corbyn will NEVER win a GE. That's a fact.

People forget about the good things Blair did for this country.

That is the only sort of leader that will win an election for Labour against Johnson.

I voted Andy Burnham for Labour Leader and still believe he would beat Johnson.

Could do with a neither option.

Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell are Marxists, the damage they’d do to this country, if ever they got their hands on the levers of power would be irreparable. Corbyn stated he would smash the EU now he’s slabbering on about the economic harm of no deal, what kind of deal was he espousing when he stated he wanted to smash the EU.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:44 am

Both awful options. No one has voted for a no deal Brexit (despite disingenuous claims otherwise) and no one has voted for a Corbyn government. Both are democratically illegitimate and would be incredibly damaging to the UK, and Wales in particular.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:53 am

stickywicket wrote:England would vote for a Brexit from Wales Scotland and N.I


Yes please England, go for it!

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:57 am

Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?


You really shouldn’t believe the Daily Mail. You’re so ill informed it’s unbelievable.


They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power... :old:


But even the official leave campaigns said we'd leave with a deal, only when no deal became realistic did the PR campaign about how it's good come out.
By your logic about what was said on the ballot paper we could nuke the UK until there's not a shred of life left and there is no UK to be a part of the EU, would it be undemocratic not to want that?

Yawn, here we go again, Cameron spent £9m of tax payers money leafleting every home in the U.K. telling us clearly and unequivocally that a vote for leave meant leaving the Single Market, ECJ and the Customs Union. The last three years was plenty of time to work out new trade deals with the EU, instead of doing that May, Hammond and the Civil Service did everything they could to ignore the will of the people of the UK and keep us in this stagnant, failing project. We want to carry on trading with businesses in the EU, EU businesses want to carry on trading with us. Problem is self serving parasitic scum like Junkers, Barnier, Selmer and Verhofstadt wouldn’t have a gravy train to ride. Tusk trebled his salary when he got the EU post.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:23 am

BlueGog wrote:
stickywicket wrote:England would vote for a Brexit from Wales Scotland and N.I


Yes please England, go for it!


Bluegog desperate for Wales to achieve Albanian status..

Yeah, go England..

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:09 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:I'm a Labour voter.

Corbyn will NEVER win a GE. That's a fact.

People forget about the good things Blair did for this country.

That is the only sort of leader that will win an election for Labour against Johnson.

I voted Andy Burnham for Labour Leader and still believe he would beat Johnson.

Could do with a neither option.

This is spot on and I agree with everything you say. With a decent leader Labour would walk an election. We've got the most incompetent, arrogant bunch of tossers running the country yet they know as long as Corbyn is in charge Labour will never be a threat.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:17 am

pembroke allan wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?




They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power... :old:

This is the key, it was a binary vote. Unfortunately because of the inadeqaucies of May's government democracy is now being threatened.

I'm sure we would all prefer a deal, but not a deal at any cost. The referendum was quite simple, Leave or Remain, the majority voted to Leave so let's get out and fulfill the will of the voters........otherwise, what's the point in voting?

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:42 am

banana bob wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I'm a Labour voter.

Corbyn will NEVER win a GE. That's a fact.

People forget about the good things Blair did for this country.

That is the only sort of leader that will win an election for Labour against Johnson.

I voted Andy Burnham for Labour Leader and still believe he would beat Johnson.

Could do with a neither option.

This is spot on and I agree with everything you say. With a decent leader Labour would walk an election. We've got the most incompetent, arrogant bunch of tossers running the country yet they know as long as Corbyn is in charge Labour will never be a threat.


I add my agreement also. I campaigned for Labour in 2017 with Corbyn as leader with a heavy heart. At the next election I won't either campaign for Labour or vote for them. The party is all about a 'few' Corbyn, McDonald and Abbott who are failed people who want to achieve something by winning an election at any cost with the 'many' paying for the fall out of the chaos they will bring.

I dislike Tony Blair with a passion but his model of a Labour Party is the only one which will ever gain power and keep it for a sustainable amount of time in order to do genuine good for all people's of this country.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:47 am

When I voted to leave I expected it would be a complete divorce from the EU with a mutual beneficial trade deal somewhere further down the road probably years away with interim trade being done on a sensible basis. The reason I voted leave was to get away from the arrogant, bloated EU political system and the mandarins that run it.

UK contribution to the EU was larger than over 20 of the smaller member states combined and all they had to do was concede to Cameron's tweak to the direction the EU was going or face a possible UK referendum. They chose to slap us down again believing nobody would dare leave the utopia they created. How wrong they were.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:51 am

TheHangedMan wrote:This is the key, it was a binary vote. Unfortunately because of the inadeqaucies of May's government democracy is now being threatened.

I'm sure we would all prefer a deal, but not a deal at any cost. The referendum was quite simple, Leave or Remain, the majority voted to Leave so let's get out and fulfill the will of the voters........otherwise, what's the point in voting?


Totally agree. If there is to be a confirmatory vote (so called second referendum) then the only options should be 1. No Deal 2. May's Deal or 3. Boris Deal (if he makes a deal with the EU).

Remain must NOT be on the ballot paper. That was decided in June 2016 and has no further role to play. Democracy dictates that the result of that referendum must be implemented and if Parliament can't do it's job then the way we leave the EU should be put to the people.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:53 am

1 - Corbyn is in favour of LEAVE, he always have been. Why are you differentiating?

2 - Why do so many people who would directly benefit from labour policies (working people) aggressively oppose Corbyn's leadership?

Stop reading The Daily Mail. Look at the policy. Ignore the aesthetic.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:55 am

There is only one politician worse that Boris and that's Corbyn the both of them are total clowns in their own way, the whole political system in Westminster in broken, we need to get ride of the lot of them, the new Liberal leader ( I cannot remember her name) is the only one talking any sense at all. We to have another referendum to decide in or out now that all the dust has settled on the Brexit position, its the only way we can break this total log-jam :banghead: :sleepy2:

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:58 am

Hopski wrote:When I voted to leave I expected it would be a complete divorce from the EU with a mutual beneficial trade deal somewhere further down the road probably years away with interim trade being done on a sensible basis. The reason I voted leave was to get away from the arrogant, bloated EU political system and the mandarins that run it.

UK contribution to the EU was larger than over 20 of the smaller member states combined and all they had to do was concede to Cameron's tweak to the direction the EU was going or face a possible UK referendum. They chose to slap us down again believing nobody would dare leave the utopia they created. How wrong they were.


Great post and I wish the Leave supporters would speak up more using your reasoning. I'm sick of hearing Remain radicals telling me time and again what I voted for.

I voted to leave and that was fundamental. How we left was open to debate but if no agreement could be reached then we got out with no deal. The real reason we haven't is the vested interests of powerful people in this country who might lose a million or two. That is not a good enough reason to circumvent democracy and it is time to demand that the winning voice at the referendum is LISTENED TO!!!!

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:01 am

Whistler wrote:There is only one politician worse that Boris and that's Corbyn the both of them are total clowns in their own way, the whole political system in Westminster in broken, we need to get ride of the lot of them, the new Liberal leader ( I cannot remember her name) is the only one talking any sense at all. We to have another referendum to decide in or out now that all the dust has settled on the Brexit position, its the only way we can break this total log-jam :banghead: :sleepy2:


You are talking about Jo Swinson 'I voted for the bedroom tax' leader of the LibDems? I'm sorry she is completely out of her depth and will sink without a trace within a few years. :roll: :roll:

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:03 am

Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Would you prefer a no deal Brexit (As voted for in referendum) Or Jeremy and side kick and future PM if Corbyn wasn’t to die ?




They're arguing that the people did not vote for no deal Brexit? But as far as I'm aware it was leave or remain neither deal or no deal was on ballot paper! Corbyn is unelectable and liberals know it shame the nationalists cant see that.... no deal is dar preferably to having Corbyn in power... :old:


But even the official leave campaigns said we'd leave with a deal, only when no deal became realistic did the PR campaign about how it's good come out.
By your logic about what was said on the ballot paper we could nuke the UK until there's not a shred of life left and there is no UK to be a part of the EU, would it be undemocratic not to want that?

Yawn, here we go again, Cameron spent £9m of tax payers money leafleting every home in the U.K. telling us clearly and unequivocally that a vote for leave meant leaving the Single Market, ECJ and the Customs Union. The last three years was plenty of time to work out new trade deals with the EU, instead of doing that May, Hammond and the Civil Service did everything they could to ignore the will of the people of the UK and keep us in this stagnant, failing project. We want to carry on trading with businesses in the EU, EU businesses want to carry on trading with us. Problem is self serving parasitic scum like Junkers, Barnier, Selmer and Verhofstadt wouldn’t have a gravy train to ride. Tusk trebled his salary when he got the EU post.


I've just read the leaflet and that mentions having a deal as well
' A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market.'
I couldn't find a mention of leaving the single market, customs union or ecj.
If you want to mention 'self serving parasitic scum' in the EU you've missed out the biggest leech: Nigel farage

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:05 am

CF3BLUE wrote:1 - Corbyn is in favour of LEAVE, he always have been. Why are you differentiating?

2 - Why do so many people who would directly benefit from labour policies (working people) aggressively oppose Corbyn's leadership?

Stop reading The Daily Mail. Look at the policy. Ignore the aesthetic.


I'm not sure what JC's position is on Europe and no-one else is either. He is thick as shit has never had a real job, failed his A levels with F grades and nearly went personally bankrupt. The man is an idiot and I simply cannot bring myself to trust the guy.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:07 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:If you want to mention 'self serving parasitic scum' in the EU you've missed out the biggest leech: Nigel farage


And you seem to have missed out 17.4 million leave voters :D

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:17 am

CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:43 am

ElyBoy1984 wrote:CCFCJOSH - Go on twitter, there's a video clip of all prominent remain/brexit campaigners saying that WTO no-deal Brexit could happen if we left. All saying this on national television. Find a new mistruth to pedal.

I've typed in no deal 2016 on twitter and it's full of people saying how we'd have a deal.
Boris Johnson 'There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal'
Vote leaves Dan hannan ' but to repeat, absolutely no one is threatening our place in the single market'
Farage said about having a Norway type deal.
Was that all project unicorn?
You can also see Google trends and literally no one googled no deal brexit until 2017
Edit: Just seen the video, I'll just brand it project fear.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:48 am

CF3BLUE wrote:1 - Corbyn is in favour of LEAVE, he always have been. Why are you differentiating?

2 - Why do so many people who would directly benefit from labour policies (working people) aggressively oppose Corbyn's leadership?

Stop reading The Daily Mail. Look at the policy. Ignore the aesthetic.


1. Corbyn has said Labour want a second referendum and labour will campaign to remain.

2. Madness, The modern Labour party is run by middle class cultural marxists who rank white working class people bottom of the pile.you only have to see their views on Twitter.Shammima Begum comes before them.
Plus, billions of pounds would leave our economy over night if Corbyn got into number 10. The markets would run a mile.

Stop reading the Socialist worker, look at the record, ignore the socialist lies.

Re: BREXIT V CORBYN POLL

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:51 am

Whistler wrote:There is only one politician worse that Boris and that's Corbyn the both of them are total clowns in their own way, the whole political system in Westminster in broken, we need to get ride of the lot of them, the new Liberal leader ( I cannot remember her name) is the only one talking any sense at all. We to have another referendum to decide in or out now that all the dust has settled on the Brexit position, its the only way we can break this total log-jam :banghead: :sleepy2:

If we have another referendum and Leave wins again, Facist Remainers like Swinson have stated they’ll simply not accept the result. That’s also how the EU works, a Nation votes and if the dictators in Brussels don’t agree, they tell them to vote again, till they get it “right”