Brexit: How far did leave break the law?

Seen a few interesting articles about brexit today. (Obviously won't get as many responses as a bearded man who looks a bit like Corbyn)

Why is Britain turning a blind eye to Leaves lawbreaking? https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why- ... 6?mode=amp
Here's a video (Article in German but the vid is English) https://www.zdf.de/politik/frontal-21/d ... n-100.html

9 million pound of tax payers money to fund a remain leaflet ffs.

this was david versus goliath and goliath is now complaining david was allowed to fight back..

lib dems broke the law and got fined 18k

Seen a few interesting articles about brexit today. (Obviously won't get as many responses as a bearded man who looks a bit like Corbyn)

Why is Britain turning a blind eye to Leaves lawbreaking? https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why- ... 6?mode=amp
Here's a video (Article in German but the vid is English) https://www.zdf.de/politik/frontal-21/d ... n-100.html

Irishtime lol you do know what they refer to was looked at and no laws were broken.

But hey remain lied through the campsign why change the habit??

9 million pound of tax payers money to fund a remain leaflet ffs.

this was david versus goliath and goliath is now complaining david was allowed to fight back..

Hit the nail on the head. Annoys me that those slating Leave’s spending seem to have conveniently forgotten that the govt spent more on one poxy leaflet than the entire Leave campaign’s £7.5m spend. It probably swung a lot of people towards leave just out of sheer contempt for the government spending taxpayer money on a project fear campaign when they should’ve arguably remained neutral.

Another attempt for remoaners to discredit the peoples vote Both campaigns were misinforming people? Now MPS are deliberately blocking leave in hope that eventually they get there way and another vote is done.... (remainers have majority in parliament)

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

You used the word Brexit and interesting in the same sentence, this is an oxymoron.

9 million pound of tax payers money to fund a remain leaflet ffs.

this was david versus goliath and goliath is now complaining david was allowed to fight back..

Nail on the head, end of thread.

9 million pound of tax payers money to fund a remain leaflet ffs.

this was david versus goliath and goliath is now complaining david was allowed to fight back..

Hit the nail on the head. Annoys me that those slating Leave’s spending seem to have conveniently forgotten that the govt spent more on one poxy leaflet than the entire Leave campaign’s £7.5m spend. It probably swung a lot of people towards leave just out of sheer contempt for the government spending taxpayer money on a project fear campaign when they should’ve arguably remained neutral.

I also think you have hit the nail on the head and that's exactly what happened.

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

I think people might give you a bit more respect if you speak for yourself rather than posting 'copy and pastes'.

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

is this the bloke that said interest rates would have to go up.

but now says they could go either way but are more likely to stay the same or go down should we leave with no deal...?

think he might be related to wolfpac and what comes out of his mouth depends which side of the bed he got out of..

Such a shame that tw*t Cameron called for a referendum in the first place - just to try to heal the rift in the Tory party. Otherwise we wouldnt have had this 3 years of crap with all other parliamentary business being very much on the back burner. The bugger then escaped quicker than Houdini!

New statement from may says she had to get into bed with corbyn to allow deal to move forward or we would not leave? Ffs thats us fcked corbyn got her by her tits and will demand we remain inside EU trade which will mean do as they say but have no say in what we do? Brexit without leaving basically

The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

But not the Eurozone. So economically, youre saying it makes sense to leave.

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

I think people might give you a bit more respect if you speak for yourself rather than posting 'copy and pastes'.

So next time you want me to ignore the experts who have spent their lives to be able to accurately analyse and interpret data and instead just 'have a pop at doing it myself'?

The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

But not the Eurozone. So economically, youre saying it makes sense to leave.

Germany is having slow down of their manufactoring output ! we leave the financial loss to EU is not to be underestimated and the richer countries will have to take the strain? Is it any wonder EU are happy that leaving is dragging on they hope we reverse brexit which if corbyn as his way is what will happen...

[quote="rumpo kid"]The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

But not the Eurozone. So economically, youre saying it makes sense to leave.[/quote]


Your right mate. The figures based on an arbitrary additional 2% growth. Its no more than a finger in the air and as he's preaching to his converted contemporaries it goes unchallenged. To achieve those figures we would have needed growth in the last 3 years at twice the rate of Germany and nearly 3 x the rate of Belgium, France and Italy. Its horseshit. This year is bound to be lower, the damage being done to the economy by those frustrating the vote is huge.

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

I think people might give you a bit more respect if you speak for yourself rather than posting 'copy and pastes'.

So next time you want me to ignore the experts who have spent their lives to be able to accurately analyse and interpret data and instead just 'have a pop at doing it myself'?

We were forced to ignore the experts when we were forced out of the ERM. Just as well as the ecomnomy went completely in the opposite direction. They were to a man wrong then as they were 3 years ago.These figures here based on arbitrary growth of 2% more than we have. As I've aleady said thats double Germany's and nearly 3x that of France, Belgium and Italy. Thats unrealistic.

More remain scare mongering thousands of companies will fold if no deal happens? Of course the company's involved all back remain.....

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

Germany has lower growth than the UK and France is about the same and neither of them is leaving the EU The UK also has record employment levels and has almost balanced the books after the economic crash of 2018.

These figures are guess work at best. The only thing hampering the economy is the uncertainty and we can end that next Friday by getting out. It is about time those tossed faced MP's grew some backbone and got on with the job.

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

I think people might give you a bit more respect if you speak for yourself rather than posting 'copy and pastes'.

So next time you want me to ignore the experts who have spent their lives to be able to accurately analyse and interpret data and instead just 'have a pop at doing it myself'?

Yes, because these so called 'experts' havnt exactly called it right so far have they.

So next time you want me to ignore the experts who have spent their lives to be able to accurately analyse and interpret data and instead just 'have a pop at doing it myself'?

These people are only 'experts' in getting predictions wrong. I remember the dire warnings after the UK left the ERM back in the 1990's and nothing happened. The same dire predictions happened when we didn't join the Euro in 2004 and nothing happened. We were warned 800,000 jobs would be lost, a punishment budget would be implemented and massive recession would follow a leave vote in 2016 and guess what nothing happened.

Just how many times do these people have to cry wolf before the penny drops with people like you?

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

Germany has lower growth than the UK and France is about the same and neither of them is leaving the EU The UK also has record employment levels and has almost balanced the books after the economic crash of 2018.

These figures are guess work at best. The only thing hampering the economy is the uncertainty and we can end that next Friday by getting out. It is about time those tossed faced MP's grew some backbone and got on with the job.

Your wasting your time with mr 75 another expert on financial matters and will always have an answer ...... Facts are our economy is up and down because we havent left plus we have a majority of mps apposed to brexit who are not doing what their constituents voted for

What about those with political and financial influence giving us dire financial predications based on nothing more than their political preference. Were they lying, incompetent or both ? Whatever the answer it was an absolute scandalous abuse of power. In fact they should have provided impassioned neutral opinions on the economy. They didn't and despite their continuing attempts to rubbish the economy its doing pretty well.

'The cost to Britain is currently £40bn a year, or about £800m a week of lost income, he said. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

Vlieghe’s estimate for the weekly cost of Brexit so far is more than double the £350m the Leave campaign claimed could be saved on EU membership fees and instead spent on the NHS. The claim, emblazoned on the side of the campaign’s battlebus, became a key focus for debate in the run-up to the vote.


Vlieghe said in London on Thursday: “That 2% of GDP is not trivial, that’s £40bn or if you prefer it in bus units, it’s £800m a week.”

The Bank has calculated that the cumulative total of lost GDP since 23 June 2016 is £55bn.'
Maybe not recession levels but certainly not lying or incompetence.

I think people might give you a bit more respect if you speak for yourself rather than posting 'copy and pastes'.

So next time you want me to ignore the experts who have spent their lives to be able to accurately analyse and interpret data and instead just 'have a pop at doing it myself'?

Do you mean experts like the Chancellor, who stated in the event of a "leave" vote an emergency budget would be required within weeks to stop the UK economy from falling over the edge of a cliff. Still waiting for that budget, and have been waiting for more than his few weeks. This is the same "expert" who also warned of unemployment going through the roof, shares collapsing, and the country going into recession, and all just by voting "leave". Not quite right with those predictions was he?

Do you mean experts like the Chancellor, who stated in the event of a "leave" vote an emergency budget would be required within weeks to stop the UK economy from falling over the edge of a cliff. Still waiting for that budget, and have been waiting for more than his few weeks. This is the same "expert" who also warned of unemployment going through the roof, shares collapsing, and the country going into recession, and all just by voting "leave". Not quite right with those predictions was he?

Like we're still waiting for:
£350 million a week for the NHS
Not a single job loss
Brexit dividends
Easiest trade deal in history
All the Turks about to 'Invade'
Stay in the single market
Won't pay to leave
All the new trade deals we'll get
Take back control
The Iraqis and Syrians who'd come now that turkey is joining

Do you mean experts like the Chancellor, who stated in the event of a "leave" vote an emergency budget would be required within weeks to stop the UK economy from falling over the edge of a cliff. Still waiting for that budget, and have been waiting for more than his few weeks. This is the same "expert" who also warned of unemployment going through the roof, shares collapsing, and the country going into recession, and all just by voting "leave". Not quite right with those predictions was he?

Like we're still waiting for:
£350 million a week for the NHS
Not a single job loss
Brexit dividends
Easiest trade deal in history
All the Turks about to 'Invade'
Stay in the single market
Won't pay to leave
All the new trade deals we'll get
Take back control
The Iraqis and Syrians who'd come now that turkey is joining

The difference being all the above are predictions concerning what happens after we leave. The points I mentioned are not predictions, we already know they were wrong, they did not come to fruition within weeks of us voting to leave as Osborne had claimed. You would expect the Chancellor to be an expert on our economy, and our stock exchange. Neither collapsed as he had predicted, we already know he was wrong. I am not saying that some of these predictions will not come true, but at the present time we do not know, nobody has left the EU before. What I am saying, is that we already know that a lot of Osbourne's scaremongering was just that, it has already been proved to be incorrect. I am just trying to differentiate between predictions being made by both sides once we have left, and those which we already know not to be true.

I'll never understand how one of the most deprived areas in the UK could vote (and passionately argue) for the status quo.

Trickle down (wealth) is total bollocks swallowed by the gullible and those doing OK and by that i mean at least £100k P.A. or you are kidding yourself.

Its there for big business and even bigger government, corrupt to the point of a science but there are a few good souls in there meaning well. The idea was a great one, but as soon as it went from a trading block to a political one it was always doomed to fail.

The countries of the EU are too diverse in wealth and cultures to speak as one voice, they all want different things from it and the only way to control it is to do what Macron wants and centralise and control even more.

We'll never leave, the whole house of cards falls if we do. Not because we are Jonny big bollocks but because Mr Soros and the rest of the unseen unelected king makers lose too much money if we do. Its so much easier to only need to "influence" a small group of commissioners who never need to worrying about reelections than 28 individual countries.

The "breaking the law" is laughable with so much unseen money and influence bouncing around, its pittance.

British politics is at an all time low, but in reality the last three years has shown they do next to sweet FA anyway nowadays since 80% of our laws are made overseas. I don't care if we stay, but I am an all or nothing person. If we don't leave lets go the whole hog. Euro, ECB, radically change the house of commons for a part time federal (national) parliament combined with the devolved assemblies with the same members and dissolve the house of lords.

I'll never understand how one of the most deprived areas in the UK could vote (and passionately argue) for the status quo.

Trickle down (wealth) is total bollocks swallowed by the gullible and those doing OK and by that i mean at least £100k P.A. or you are kidding yourself.

Its there for big business and even bigger government, corrupt to the point of a science but there are a few good souls in there meaning well. The idea was a great one, but as soon as it went from a trading block to a political one it was always doomed to fail.

The countries of the EU are too diverse in wealth and cultures to speak as one voice, they all want different things from it and the only way to control it is to do what Macron wants and centralise and control even more.

We'll never leave, the whole house of cards falls if we do. Not because we are Jonny big bollocks but because Mr Soros and the rest of the unseen unelected king makers lose too much money if we do. Its so much easier to only need to "influence" a small group of commissioners who never need to worrying about reelections than 28 individual countries.

The "breaking the law" is laughable with so much unseen money and influence bouncing around, its pittance.

British politics is at an all time low, but in reality the last three years has shown they do next to sweet FA anyway nowadays since 80% of our laws are made overseas. I don't care if we stay, but I am an all or nothing person. If we don't leave lets go the whole hog. Euro, ECB, radically change the house of commons for a part time federal (national) parliament combined with the devolved assemblies with the same members and dissolve the house of lords.

This whole country is corrupt from the top down, and as you say, it appears a bit odd that so much is being made about what is no more than a pittance. I voted to leave but still had to contribute to the cost of the "remain" campaign brochure sent to every household in Britain, as did every other tax payer in the country. May not have been breaking any laws in enforcing this payment, but in my view proof of how we are all manipulated to ensure that we are kept in our place. Perhaps the "remain" MP's could have paid for their brochure from their expenses. Or are duck ponds etc., more important to them than referendums.