UPDATED: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:59 am
Strong words from Neil Warnock on Victor Camarasa's absence when Cardiff considered him fit to play 10 days ago.
NEIL WARNOCK:
"I've never comes across this situation. He obviously listens to his physios, his medical people and Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad."
"I think if these last two games would have been life or death for us at the end of the season I’d have been disappointed if he hadn’t have played.
"He obviously listens to his physios, medical people and every Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad. There’s nothing we can do about that really. Probably a lot of Premier League players are like that at the minute.
"I thought he was fit 10 days ago. They’ve said they didn’t want him playing for 10 days. That’s up today I think."
NEIL WARNOCK:
"I've never comes across this situation. He obviously listens to his physios, his medical people and Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad."
"I think if these last two games would have been life or death for us at the end of the season I’d have been disappointed if he hadn’t have played.
"He obviously listens to his physios, medical people and every Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad. There’s nothing we can do about that really. Probably a lot of Premier League players are like that at the minute.
"I thought he was fit 10 days ago. They’ve said they didn’t want him playing for 10 days. That’s up today I think."
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:03 pm
NEIL WARNOCK:
How important is it to get Camarasa in the mix?
“He’s a very important player to us. It’s been a really big disappointment if I’m honest. I’ve never come across the situation I’ve got at the moment. We’re having physios and medical people from abroad more or less telling us what we can do with him when he’s our player. It’s very difficult, not just for me but for the medical staff as well. When you see somebody flying around and yet they’re not fit it’s because the scan shows something up, I think it’s down to the player really to know. If you saw Sol Bamba’s scan on his thigh he wouldn’t have played for the last six weeks he probably wouldn’t have played. He’s probably been our best player and he tells me ‘I’m alright gaffer’. I think that shows the make-up of certain players is stronger than others.”
How important is it to get Camarasa in the mix?
“He’s a very important player to us. It’s been a really big disappointment if I’m honest. I’ve never come across the situation I’ve got at the moment. We’re having physios and medical people from abroad more or less telling us what we can do with him when he’s our player. It’s very difficult, not just for me but for the medical staff as well. When you see somebody flying around and yet they’re not fit it’s because the scan shows something up, I think it’s down to the player really to know. If you saw Sol Bamba’s scan on his thigh he wouldn’t have played for the last six weeks he probably wouldn’t have played. He’s probably been our best player and he tells me ‘I’m alright gaffer’. I think that shows the make-up of certain players is stronger than others.”
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:04 pm
NEIL WARNOCK:
As far as the club is concerned Camarasa is fit?
“We think he’s closer to fitness than what our guys think. That’s just a matter of opinion but you run the risk of , if you make him play and he breaks down, what are they going to say? I think if these last two games would have been life or death for us at the end of the season I’d have been disappointed if he hadn’t have played.”
Are his medical staff in Wales?
“Yes they’re over here. They might be based over there but they come over here and he has treatment with them as well. It’s confusing really!”
Is it down to him?
“Not really. He obviously listens to his physios, medical people and every Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad. There’s nothing we can do about that really. Probably a lot of Premier League players are like that.”
Close to return?
“I thought he was fit 10 days ago. They’ve said they didn’t want him playing for 10 days. That’s up today I think.”
As far as the club is concerned Camarasa is fit?
“We think he’s closer to fitness than what our guys think. That’s just a matter of opinion but you run the risk of , if you make him play and he breaks down, what are they going to say? I think if these last two games would have been life or death for us at the end of the season I’d have been disappointed if he hadn’t have played.”
Are his medical staff in Wales?
“Yes they’re over here. They might be based over there but they come over here and he has treatment with them as well. It’s confusing really!”
Is it down to him?
“Not really. He obviously listens to his physios, medical people and every Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad. There’s nothing we can do about that really. Probably a lot of Premier League players are like that.”
Close to return?
“I thought he was fit 10 days ago. They’ve said they didn’t want him playing for 10 days. That’s up today I think.”
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Re: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:14 pm
Camasara's staff are probably right.Its was only 5 mins ago that Warnock was saying they had a general problem with players coming back off injury breaking down again and they would have to look at it.Bellamy had his own medical staff which he used to prolong his career.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:18 pm
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... sa-physios
Cardiff manager Neil Warnock questioned the character of Victor Camarasa as he bemoaned being instructed by ‘physios from abroad’ over the midfielder’s fitness.
Cardiff manager Neil Warnock questioned the character of Victor Camarasa as he bemoaned being instructed by ‘physios from abroad’ over the midfielder’s fitness.
Re: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:28 pm
Warnock might be frustrated but don't think he should question a professional players character.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:40 pm
I don’t like this, if the physios are from Betis then surely; as we don’t own him, it’s our tough shit.
Warnock coming out with this is baffling, he needs to be the one getting on with it, prepping the team and picking his best fit players when they available to him.
Warnock coming out with this is baffling, he needs to be the one getting on with it, prepping the team and picking his best fit players when they available to him.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:56 pm
Not really an issue, Betis own him so they have every right to want to look after their player. Yes maybe its frustrating but that’s life. Warnock has said similar about Zohore in the past saying he should be back by now and then later retracting it saying it was worst than we thought and that’s why im not a physio.
Re: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:09 pm
2blue2handle wrote:Not really an issue, Betis own him so they have every right to want to look after their player. Yes maybe its frustrating but that’s life. Warnock has said similar about Zohore in the past saying he should be back by now and then later retracting it saying it was worst than we thought and that’s why im not a physio.
Luke, this is how I see it, too
Re: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:15 pm
Bit of a weird one this it would be like us interfering with sheffield united physio's about our concern about gary madine's fitness,or is it coming to the end of the french season and betis want him back in good shape not in a dog fight at the bottom of the prem,its slowly turning into a grujic/zohore sage Imo.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:25 pm
Camarasa is worth £13m I think it is, so yeah betis have every right to ensure he is fully fit. If Madine was worth that sort of money and Sheffield Utd were trying to rush him back I’d fully expect us to get involved.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:27 pm
He's NOT their player though. Even as loan he is a full Cardiff player.
The only way Betis can have a say is if it's in the loan contract that was signed.
The only way Betis can have a say is if it's in the loan contract that was signed.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:30 pm
MR POTATO
if we had a player worth 13 million he would not be going out on loan.
if we had a player worth 13 million he would not be going out on loan.
Re: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:35 pm
Cardiff City boss Neil Warnock opens up on bizarre tug-of-war over Victor Camarasa's fitness ahead of Everton clash
Monday 25th February 2019
Warnock on why he's unhappy with Camarasa's physios
Cardiff City boss Neil Warnock admits he's become increasingly frustrated by the situation around Victor Camarasa's fitness, but has refused to rule him out of tomorrow's clash with Everton.
The Spaniard has been one of City's standout performers this term, but has been restricted to just seven minutes of action since the 3-0 defeat at Newcastle last month.
The Real Betis loanee missed Friday night's hammering at home to Watford with a calf problem, and his absence has come as a big disappointment to Warnock, whose side now sit just one point above the relegation zone and have undoubtedly missed the midfielder's creative spark.
"He’s a very important player to us," he said. "It’s been a really big disappointment if I’m honest. I’ve never come across the situation I’ve got at the moment.
"We’re having physios and medical people from abroad more or less telling us what we can do with him when he’s our player.
"It’s very difficult, not just for me but for the medical staff aswell. When you see somebody flying around and yet they’re not fit it’s because the scan shows something up, I think it’s down to the player really to know."
However, Warnock has refused to rule the Spaniard out of Tuesday night's clash with Everton, who arrive in the Welsh capital for their first competitive fixture since February 9, and do so hoping to end a run of three straight defeats.
Camarasa has been struggling with a calf injury and sat out the thrashing at the hands of Watford
"We think he’s closer to fitness than what our guys think," Warnock added. "That’s just a matter of opinion but you run the risk of, if you make him play and he breaks down, what are they going to say?
"I think if these last two games would have been life or death for us at the end of the season I’d have been disappointed if he hadn’t have played.
"He obviously listens to his physios, medical people and every Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad. There’s nothing we can do about that really. Probably a lot of Premier League players are like that at the minute.
"I thought he was fit 10 days ago. They’ve said they didn’t want him playing for 10 days. That’s up today I think."
Monday 25th February 2019
Warnock on why he's unhappy with Camarasa's physios
Cardiff City boss Neil Warnock admits he's become increasingly frustrated by the situation around Victor Camarasa's fitness, but has refused to rule him out of tomorrow's clash with Everton.
The Spaniard has been one of City's standout performers this term, but has been restricted to just seven minutes of action since the 3-0 defeat at Newcastle last month.
The Real Betis loanee missed Friday night's hammering at home to Watford with a calf problem, and his absence has come as a big disappointment to Warnock, whose side now sit just one point above the relegation zone and have undoubtedly missed the midfielder's creative spark.
"He’s a very important player to us," he said. "It’s been a really big disappointment if I’m honest. I’ve never come across the situation I’ve got at the moment.
"We’re having physios and medical people from abroad more or less telling us what we can do with him when he’s our player.
"It’s very difficult, not just for me but for the medical staff aswell. When you see somebody flying around and yet they’re not fit it’s because the scan shows something up, I think it’s down to the player really to know."
However, Warnock has refused to rule the Spaniard out of Tuesday night's clash with Everton, who arrive in the Welsh capital for their first competitive fixture since February 9, and do so hoping to end a run of three straight defeats.
Camarasa has been struggling with a calf injury and sat out the thrashing at the hands of Watford
"We think he’s closer to fitness than what our guys think," Warnock added. "That’s just a matter of opinion but you run the risk of, if you make him play and he breaks down, what are they going to say?
"I think if these last two games would have been life or death for us at the end of the season I’d have been disappointed if he hadn’t have played.
"He obviously listens to his physios, medical people and every Tom, Dick and Harry from abroad. There’s nothing we can do about that really. Probably a lot of Premier League players are like that at the minute.
"I thought he was fit 10 days ago. They’ve said they didn’t want him playing for 10 days. That’s up today I think."
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:35 pm
I mentioned this last week. Body language after Ken's winning goal, then straight off down the tunnel. There was something after that game - and it sounds like whatever it was - is still there.
He's on loan though remember - so I guess his parent club have a say in his injuries / health etc
Hope that's all it is - and if not then - we'll carry on with what we have .
He's on loan though remember - so I guess his parent club have a say in his injuries / health etc
Hope that's all it is - and if not then - we'll carry on with what we have .
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:45 pm
montyblue wrote:Bit of a weird one this it would be like us interfering with sheffield united physio's about our concern about gary madine's fitness,or is it coming to the end of the french season and betis want him back in good shape not in a dog fight at the bottom of the prem,its slowly turning into a grujic/zohore sage Imo.
If we cared enough about Medine to send physios to look over him you would expect Sheffield United to listen to them to be fair. I think quite often players return to their parent clubs for treatment anyway. He will probably start Tuesday but then I guess it didn't help Camarasa playing with a knock a couple of weeks ago.
Re: UPDATED: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:20 pm
We'got form bringing players back too soon then catching a cold.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:38 pm
I'm not even sure it's Betis' physios. He's always posting shots on Instagram of his physio work and tags the guy. Looks like a private physio in Valencia.
Maybe Camarasa is just overly cautious about his health and fitness. As he has every right to be seeing as that is the tool of his trade!
Maybe Camarasa is just overly cautious about his health and fitness. As he has every right to be seeing as that is the tool of his trade!
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:48 pm
montyblue wrote:Bit of a weird one this it would be like us interfering with sheffield united physio's about our concern about gary madine's fitness,or is it coming to the end of the french season and betis want him back in good shape not in a dog fight at the bottom of the prem,its slowly turning into a grujic/zohore sage Imo.
What has the French season coming to an end got to do with anything?
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:22 pm
Juventus Blue wrote:montyblue wrote:Bit of a weird one this it would be like us interfering with sheffield united physio's about our concern about gary madine's fitness,or is it coming to the end of the french season and betis want him back in good shape not in a dog fight at the bottom of the prem,its slowly turning into a grujic/zohore sage Imo.
What has the French season coming to an end got to do with anything?
That’s what I was thinking!
Good old monty!
Re: UPDATED: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:25 pm
I get the feeling he's played his last game for us.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:01 pm
Parent club looking after their own players health.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:27 pm
You do wonder whether there's a rift developing.
I hope not but it'd be the latest kick in the knackers by fate.
It'd cause us massive problems but if he's got a long term injury I think that means that we could buy a replacement outside the window .
I hope not but it'd be the latest kick in the knackers by fate.
It'd cause us massive problems but if he's got a long term injury I think that means that we could buy a replacement outside the window .
Re: UPDATED: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:31 pm
Sorry guys getting mixed up with sala nantes etc apologies spanish league.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:34 pm
There did from what i noticed on the pitch in one of the games camerassa and patters having a bit of a spat i don't know and hope that there is nothing in it that would make camarassa make excuses for not playing they are grown men
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:35 pm
dazza wrote:I get the feeling he's played his last game for us.
I get that impression too. His reaction at Southampton was off to say the least.
Shame as he's a quality player.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:54 pm
ORIGINALGRANGEENDBLUE
at least i spelt betis right,
Could have spelt "bettws" tonto evans etc.
at least i spelt betis right,
Could have spelt "bettws" tonto evans etc.
Re: UPDATED: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:09 pm
montyblue wrote:There did from what i noticed on the pitch in one of the games camerassa and patters having a bit of a spat i don't know and hope that there is nothing in it that would make camarassa make excuses for not playing they are grown men
Paterson has a go at absolutely everyone.
Apparently he shouted to the Watford number 11 on Friday “I f@ckin dare you to take me in you c@nt”.
Re: UPDATED: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:30 pm
montyblue wrote:Sorry guys getting mixed up with sala nantes etc apologies spanish league.
No worries Monty
I thought you knew something we didn’t 
Re: "This doesn't sound good"
Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:44 pm
Sven wrote:2blue2handle wrote:Not really an issue, Betis own him so they have every right to want to look after their player. Yes maybe its frustrating but that’s life. Warnock has said similar about Zohore in the past saying he should be back by now and then later retracting it saying it was worst than we thought and that’s why im not a physio.
Luke, this is how I see it, too
Agree with you both .