Are we setting the bar too low?

Are we setting the bar too low?

With the news reports of us not playing a single player under the age of 22, many responses were that we just want to stay up so can’t risk it. I am a touch disappointed with that view.

We then see losing away to Arsenal being described as fantastic because we managed to get a consolation goal. Don’t get me wrong, no shame in it whatsoever as anything against these teams is a bonus, but a defeat being described this way against teams in our own league is hard to hear.

I know this won’t be popular but how can we get into a position where we can achieve what the Jacks did at this level? We seem to have more financial clout than them as Tan is far richer than Huw the Spew.

They beat Arsenal 6 times ffs!! They also beat Liverpool 5 times and Man United 4 times amongst others like Chelsea multiple times and Man City along the way. So it sticks in the throat when I see us commending the side for scoring a goal in another defeat.

The focus and question should be, how do we get to that level. We have far greater resources so shouldn’t be any excuse, yet we seem genuinely stumped after promotion.

Commending the side wasn't because of a consolation goal. It was because of the performance. Not only under the circumstances but that it was a huge improvement on the last few games. On another day we would've won. We had enough chances to.

What most of us are saying it play like that and we will have chances to win plenty of our remaining games. Maybe even against some of the teams you name above...

That is why people are commending the team!

Commending the side wasn't because of a consolation goal. It was because of the performance. Not only under the circumstances but that it was a huge improvement on the last few games. On another day we would've won. We had enough chances to.

What most of us are saying it play like that and we will have chances to win plenty of our remaining games. Maybe even against some of the teams you name above...

That is why people are commending the team!

We had 29% possession and 2 shots on target all night.

This is what I mean by setting the bar low.

Agreed that under the circumstances it can be looked on more favourably but I think some are going overboard and have a very defeatist attitude going into games like this.

Commending the side wasn't because of a consolation goal. It was because of the performance. Not only under the circumstances but that it was a huge improvement on the last few games. On another day we would've won. We had enough chances to.

What most of us are saying it play like that and we will have chances to win plenty of our remaining games. Maybe even against some of the teams you name above...

That is why people are commending the team!

We had 29% possession and 2 shots on target all night.

This is what I mean by setting the bar low.

Agreed that under the circumstances it can be looked on more favourably but I think some are going overboard and have a very defeatist attitude going into games like this.

I don't think you watched the game.

i don't think the performance was fantastic.

we had a few good chances early doors, but fluffed them.

arsenal then controlled the game, carved out chances, scored them with their far superior attackers, and we got a consolation.

their defence is the weakest in the top 6, but we lacked the composure and quality to take advantage of it.

I don't think you watched the game.

It’s ok, you don’t have to.

Completely agree with the assessment above. Anyone calling it fantastic is simply setting themselves up for failure which is part of why we continually struggle at this level in my opinion.

i don't think the performance was fantastic.

we had a few good chances early doors, but fluffed them.

arsenal then controlled the game, carved out chances, scored them with their far superior attackers, and we got a consolation.

their defence is the weakest in the top 6, but we lacked the composure and quality to take advantage of it.

This is all true also.

Doesn't mean we played badly. Nor did we play fantastic... But it was a step in the right direction.

i don't think the performance was fantastic.

we had a few good chances early doors, but fluffed them.

arsenal then controlled the game, carved out chances, scored them with their far superior attackers, and we got a consolation.

their defence is the weakest in the top 6, but we lacked the composure and quality to take advantage of it.

This is all true also.

Doesn't mean we played badly. Nor did we play fantastic... But it was a step in the right direction.

...Which was my point entirely. I didn’t say we played badly did I?

I suggested we were setting the bar too low if we saw that as a fantastic performance. It can’t really be argued, can it? I assumed we would take that as a given. I was wanting responses to discuss how we get to a mindset where we aren’t commending these defeats when the performance was not really anything of note.

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Roathie, anyone?

Can’t anybody discuss normally on here without chucking insults or derailing? Don’t make me go back to Mikes board ffs!

If you have a point on the subject feel free to put it forward.

Can’t anybody discuss normally on here without chucking insults or derailing? Don’t make me go back to Mikes board ffs!

If you have a point on the subject feel free to put it forward.

You seem to know a lot about Swansea. I immediately thought this post was a wind up when it first appeared.

To be wumming on a board under the name "K-Choo" after the past week is very, very low.

Can’t anybody discuss normally on here without chucking insults or derailing? Don’t make me go back to Mikes board ffs!

If you have a point on the subject feel free to put it forward.

You seem to know a lot about Swansea. I immediately thought this post was a wind up when it first appeared.

he does indeed, and very little about football.

Can’t anybody discuss normally on here without chucking insults or derailing? Don’t make me go back to Mikes board ffs!

If you have a point on the subject feel free to put it forward.

You seem to know a lot about Swansea. I immediately thought this post was a wind up when it first appeared.

he does indeed, and very little about football.

Strange how he knows how many times Swansea beat certain teams. Even stranger why he would bring them into the conversation, what setting the bar too low has to do with Swansea results beats me. He will probably say he googled it, why on earth anyone would google their results in conjunction with us setting the bar too low is beyond me. If he is who I suspect he is, he is even sadder than I thought coming on here at this particular time. Then again, I think everyone knows we have some sad individuals on here from time to time.

What on earth are you guys on about?

As for knowing about Swansea, it’s called google. I can do the same for Leicester too but I was looking for a similar comparison to show clubs of a similar size often and regularly beat these sides yet we set our sights on 17th place and commend a defeat because we scored.

As for “wumming”, what in God’s name from what I wrote winds you up? Grow up. If you disagree then put a point across, I can only assume you have no counter so resorting to this rubbish?

And so it begins. I shall not bother to comment on this thread any more, expect it to run into several pages folks.

What on earth are you guys on about?

As for knowing about Swansea, it’s called google. I can do the same for Leicester too but I was looking for a similar comparison to show clubs of a similar size often and regularly beat these sides yet we set our sights on 17th place and commend a defeat because we scored.

As for “wumming”, what in God’s name from what I wrote winds you up? Grow up. If you disagree then put a point across, I can only assume you have no counter so resorting to this rubbish?

Anyone else recognise the style?

And so it begins. I shall not bother to comment on this thread any more, expect it to run into several pages folks.

So what begins? Someone makes a post that is damn sensible and you throw your toys out of the pram because you don’t like the facts?

As I said, grow up.

Anyone else recognise the style?

You are obsessed mate.

Do you reckon we are setting the bar too low?

Anyone else recognise the style?

You are obsessed mate.

Do you reckon we are setting the bar too low?

Yes, we are. The mods need to clean this board up asap.

Yes, we are. The mods need to clean this board up asap.

Then we agree on both counts. We have set the bar too low and Mods let these topics get derailed far too quickly.

Yes, we are. The mods need to clean this board up asap.

Then we agree on both counts. We have set the bar too low and Mods let these topics get derailed far too quickly.

No more answering your posts Rothie.

No more answering your posts Rothie.

No idea who or what Rothie is, but if it means you are going to stop derailing the thread then that can only be good news.

Now back to the OP...

No more answering your posts Rothie.

No idea who or what Rothie is, but if it means you are going to stop derailing the thread then that can only be good news.

Now back to the OP...

No you wouldn't know who he is being a newbie who uses same mo as are friend roathy? Anyway your just what we need another victor meldew at this time.

Doesn’t matter who you think I sound like though does it, it’s what I say that matters.

And I can’t for the life of me see what has got you all flustered from what I wrote. It’s hardly a scathing review, just an observation based on fact and inviting a discussion on how we can improve.

Didn’t want droves of hyped up school kids replying and getting all mad at... nothing.

Doesn’t matter who you think I sound like though does it, it’s what I say that matters.

And I can’t for the life of me see what has got you all flustered from what I wrote. It’s hardly a scathing review, just an observation based on fact and inviting a discussion on how we can improve.

Didn’t want droves of hyped up school kids replying and getting all mad at... nothing.

Ah well hope you find what your looking for I'm sure you'll find someone who will agree with you! Anyway like others I'm out of here

To be wumming on a board under the name "K-Choo" after the past week is very, very low.

This ^^

To be wumming on a board under the name "K-Choo" after the past week is very, very low.

This ^^

Saying “this” is not an argument I’m afraid.

By suggesting “wumming” means ‘wind up merchant’ if I’m not mistaken, right? For that to be true it should be relatively easy to point out a part of what I said that is offensive or triggering then, right?

What I have said is neither offensive or triggering and think the fact you are using the tragic events with Emilliano Sala for your own gain as a way to avoid debate or shut someone’s view down you don’t want to hear us particularly callous. I seem to be the only one being even remotely civil here, please show me where this is not the case.

Ah well hope you find what your looking for I'm sure you'll find someone who will agree with you! Anyway like others I'm out of here

I am not looking for anybody to agree as such, it was a post to ask for opinion how we get to a level where we don’t become satisfied with defeat on the basis that we scored. Opinions that agree or disagree with that are most welcome.

Derailing, abuse and using a players disappearance to score points are what I have taken issue with, which is the normal reaction to any of those listed isn’t it?

This is a football forum, it’s intended use is for people to debate football. Shock horror.

Are we setting the bar too low?

With the news reports of us not playing a single player under the age of 22, many responses were that we just want to stay up so can’t risk it. I am a touch disappointed with that view.

We then see losing away to Arsenal being described as fantastic because we managed to get a consolation goal. Don’t get me wrong, no shame in it whatsoever as anything against these teams is a bonus, but a defeat being described this way against teams in our own league is hard to hear.

I know this won’t be popular but how can we get into a position where we can achieve what the Jacks did at this level? We seem to have more financial clout than them as Tan is far richer than Huw the Spew.

They beat Arsenal 6 times ffs!! They also beat Liverpool 5 times and Man United 4 times amongst others like Chelsea multiple times and Man City along the way. So it sticks in the throat when I see us commending the side for scoring a goal in another defeat.

The focus and question should be, how do we get to that level. We have far greater resources so shouldn’t be any excuse, yet we seem genuinely stumped after promotion.

Great post! I feel exactly the same. Now is the time we should be really going for it and keeping our place in the top flight. We pay the big sides far too much respect imo. Fair play to the swans they came up and just kept playing their game. For example if they had josh murphy in their side he would have been playing week in week out with confidence scoring goals and creating chances like routledge and dyer done for the swans but instead we are way to cautious create nothing most games and concede goals in the end and end up losing anyway. I hope we really have a go at teams now and dont go down without a fight.