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Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:40 pm

Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:42 pm

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Whittingham was a very good championship player

Camarasa is a very good premier league player

Camarasa is the better all round player by some way imo

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:56 pm

Whits produced quality time after time,Camarasa has so far been decent over half a season,if Camarasa carries on with current form,he ll have most of the premiership sides wanting to sign him,something whits never had

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:58 pm

I remember what Whittingham was like in the Premier League - out of his depth.

Some people might say Whittingham, purely because of how long he was with us and the important contributions he made.

But when it comes down to quality, he’s not close to Camarasa.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:04 pm

So difficult to compare as Whitts never really played in the prem at his peak and maybe Camarasa has nowhere near peaked yet.
All I will say is Whitt’s done it for us for a good number of years (Championship I know) and Camarasa has half a season so far.
Camarasa is more of a gifted all rounder but Whitts had that wand of a left peg to score or pick a pass so he gets my vote. :occasion5:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:35 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I remember what Whittingham was like in the Premier League - out of his depth.

Some people might say Whittingham, purely because of how long he was with us and the important contributions he made.

But when it comes down to quality, he’s not close to Camarasa.


Whitts was not at his peak when he was in the Premier League, to be fair.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:39 pm

KWest wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I remember what Whittingham was like in the Premier League - out of his depth.

Some people might say Whittingham, purely because of how long he was with us and the important contributions he made.

But when it comes down to quality, he’s not close to Camarasa.


Whitts was not at his peak when he was in the Premier League, to be fair.


Have to admit I can’t argue with that and will also admit I don’t think he was in his best position when Malky was in charge.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:18 pm

thomasblue wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Whittingham was a very good championship player

Camarasa is a very good premier league player

Camarasa is the better all round player by some way imo


I was a big fan of Whitts but go along with that tbh.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:28 pm

KWest wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I remember what Whittingham was like in the Premier League - out of his depth.

Some people might say Whittingham, purely because of how long he was with us and the important contributions he made.

But when it comes down to quality, he’s not close to Camarasa.


Whitts was not at his peak when he was in the Premier League, to be fair.

Agree
And it was a difficult period to play in with so much happening.
Even Zaha,Medel and Corneilius looked average on times :laughing6:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:21 pm

Camarasa a class above. Whittingham was good at Championship level but not Premier quality. Camarasa is certainly Premier quality but the frightening thing is he's way down the pecking order in Spain. These foreigners really do ooze technical ability.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:08 am

Camarasa works harder is a better tackler and is much faster than Whitt’s. The only thing Whitt’s was better at was corner taking and free kick taking other than that it’s not even a compatetion as Camarasa is miles ahead.

Shame though that Camarasa won’t be here for as long as Whitt’s was as he seems destined for a much bigger club than us.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:38 am

phildavies wrote:Camarasa works harder is a better tackler and is much faster than Whitt’s. The only thing Whitt’s was better at was corner taking and free kick taking other than that it’s not even a compatetion as Camarasa is miles ahead.

Shame though that Camarasa won’t be here for as long as Whitt’s was as he seems destined for a much bigger club than us.



maybe......I don't buy all this clubs watching him last season rubbish tbh...he was not a regular starter so who is going to go and watch when he probably is not going to play.?
fingers crossed..

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:30 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I know it's your opinion and I respect that, but what planet are you on? Camarasa is miles better than Whitts! He's more mobile, can actually defend, more creative and scores goals! Don't get me wrong I'll always love Whitts but come on fella. :lol:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:24 am

Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I know it's your opinion and I respect that, but what planet are you on? Camarasa is miles better than Whitts! He's more mobile, can actually defend, more creative and scores goals! Don't get me wrong I'll always love Whitts but come on fella. :lol:

I'm actually on the same planet as you, Whitts has been a great player and servant to our club for 10 years scoring 85 goals, including some absolute belters. Remind me what planet I'm on :thumbright: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:55 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I know it's your opinion and I respect that, but what planet are you on? Camarasa is miles better than Whitts! He's more mobile, can actually defend, more creative and scores goals! Don't get me wrong I'll always love Whitts but come on fella. :lol:

I'm actually on the same planet as you, Whitts has been a great player and servant to our club for 10 years scoring 85 goals, including some absolute belters. Remind me what planet I'm on :thumbright: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:


Surely, at this point it is untimely (maybe even unfair) to compare the two...? :? :thumbright:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:56 am

Can't really compare them really, we had 10 years of Whitts and only half a season with Camarasa

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:12 am

Sven wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I know it's your opinion and I respect that, but what planet are you on? Camarasa is miles better than Whitts! He's more mobile, can actually defend, more creative and scores goals! Don't get me wrong I'll always love Whitts but come on fella. :lol:

I'm actually on the same planet as you, Whitts has been a great player and servant to our club for 10 years scoring 85 goals, including some absolute belters. Remind me what planet I'm on :thumbright: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:


Surely, at this point it is untimely (maybe even unfair) to compare the two...? :? :thumbright:


Agreed, he's not even ours past May :roll: :lol:

Camarasa looks like he has the ability to play at the very top level and he's young, but when you look at the goals Whitts scored he's probably scored 10-15 that were better than the goal against Leicester.

Ultimately they are different players. Camarasa has a big strength in the ability to run with the ball whereas Whitts was just a great playmaker and, frankly, I'd give my left arm for his corner and free kick taking alone right now :lol:

Shame Warnock wasn't our manager when we were last in the Prem because he would have known that Whitts just needed a team around him to let him play, Malky just wanted runners (e.g. Cowie) and that was never going to suit Whitts.

I think we just need to enjoy Camarasa whilst he's here, make sure he enjoys it too, and then, maybe, if he helps us stay up we can pay him enough to make him want to stay.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:25 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Whitts was my favourite all time City player and he had so much more to his game than many city fans gave him credit for, but like all players he had his limitations and pace being the biggest. But if you think about it you will remember countless occasions where he scored goals like Camarasa did on the weekend and he did it on a regular basis.

In my opinion the biggest difference between the two is that Camarasa is a far better athlete and that makes him a more complete player at Premier League level. Whitts relied on movement ahead of him when it came to transition otherwise the ball would go sideways and he rarely picked up the ball and ran 30-40 yards with it, Camarasa can mix it up in all aspects of transition from defence to attack and because he has pace and the ability to use both feet he is I think the more complete player.

For picking a pass, delivering a set piece cross or scoring spectacular goals Whitts was absolutely fantastic but as much as I loved him Camarasa has more about him.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:51 am

Camarasa only been here for a few months but I would choose him. Much more to his game not just attacking, he helps out chasing back too. Whittingham used to be annoying how easy people would drift passed him.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:54 am

piledriver64 wrote:
Sven wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I know it's your opinion and I respect that, but what planet are you on? Camarasa is miles better than Whitts! He's more mobile, can actually defend, more creative and scores goals! Don't get me wrong I'll always love Whitts but come on fella. :lol:

I'm actually on the same planet as you, Whitts has been a great player and servant to our club for 10 years scoring 85 goals, including some absolute belters. Remind me what planet I'm on :thumbright: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:


Surely, at this point it is untimely (maybe even unfair) to compare the two...? :? :thumbright:


Agreed, he's not even ours past May :roll: :lol:

Camarasa looks like he has the ability to play at the very top level and he's young, but when you look at the goals Whitts scored he's probably scored 10-15 that were better than the goal against Leicester.

Ultimately they are different players. Camarasa has a big strength in the ability to run with the ball whereas Whitts was just a great playmaker and, frankly, I'd give my left arm for his corner and free kick taking alone right now :lol:

Shame Warnock wasn't our manager when we were last in the Prem because he would have known that Whitts just needed a team around him to let him play, Malky just wanted runners (e.g. Cowie) and that was never going to suit Whitts.

I think we just need to enjoy Camarasa whilst he's here, make sure he enjoys it too, and then, maybe, if he helps us stay up we can pay him enough to make him want to stay.


Warnock would never have played Whittingham in the Premier. He was never his preferred type of player.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:00 am

City Slicker wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
Sven wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I know it's your opinion and I respect that, but what planet are you on? Camarasa is miles better than Whitts! He's more mobile, can actually defend, more creative and scores goals! Don't get me wrong I'll always love Whitts but come on fella. :lol:

I'm actually on the same planet as you, Whitts has been a great player and servant to our club for 10 years scoring 85 goals, including some absolute belters. Remind me what planet I'm on :thumbright: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:


Surely, at this point it is untimely (maybe even unfair) to compare the two...? :? :thumbright:


Agreed, he's not even ours past May :roll: :lol:

Camarasa looks like he has the ability to play at the very top level and he's young, but when you look at the goals Whitts scored he's probably scored 10-15 that were better than the goal against Leicester.

Ultimately they are different players. Camarasa has a big strength in the ability to run with the ball whereas Whitts was just a great playmaker and, frankly, I'd give my left arm for his corner and free kick taking alone right now :lol:

Shame Warnock wasn't our manager when we were last in the Prem because he would have known that Whitts just needed a team around him to let him play, Malky just wanted runners (e.g. Cowie) and that was never going to suit Whitts.

I think we just need to enjoy Camarasa whilst he's here, make sure he enjoys it too, and then, maybe, if he helps us stay up we can pay him enough to make him want to stay.


Warnock would never have played Whittingham in the Premier. He was never his preferred type of player.


Possibly not and another reason the two should not be compared; completely different players in style :ayatollah:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:23 am

If I get half as much pleasure out of watching Camarasa's Cardiff career as I got out of watching Whittingham's then he'll be my second all time favourite Cardiff player. Of course he's technically better and more effective at this level but I doubt he'll get me off my backside quite as much as Whittingham did in 10 years. I hope he does.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:25 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



not sure you can compare players from different styles at different times..many of my all time favourite City players are also players that probably would not even have made the bench this last 10 years or so..

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:08 pm

Can we have both? A prime time whitts on the left wing and camarasa canter mid.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:53 pm

nubbsy wrote:Can we have both? A prime time whitts on the left wing and camarasa canter mid.


Don’t tease me.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:31 pm

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

You been tugging on that crack pipe again? Camarasa all day long.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:46 pm

whittingham just fell short of genuine premier league class. at his peak he could probably hack it, but he wasn't great when we were last in the PL.

the difference between the two is that whittingham is a city legend who will be remembered as he gave us 8 or so really good years out of 10. camarasa may be a slightly better footballer, but in a couple of years will be gone and forgotten - ultimately just another player passing through the club.

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:01 pm

thomasblue wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Who is the best ? Whitts , only just for me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Whittingham was a very good championship player

Camarasa is a very good premier league player

Camarasa is the better all round player by some way imo



Spot on Thomas :thumbright: :bluebird:

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:42 pm

Whittingham speaks much better English, but compared to Victor he knows bugger all about bullfighting , so it's hard to know who'd be more useful on "A Question of Sport".
I was going to say that Victor has the advantage of still being a professional footballer, but I see to my surprise that so is Whittingham. He's just been released by Blackburn Rovers so he's a free agent if anyone thinks we can safely let Victor go and bring him back in as a replacement.

Seriously though, and without disrespect to Peter Whittingham, there's no comparison.
Now, if we said Peter KING maybe it'd be a harder call !

https://youtu.be/3DNN_-DoRsQ

Re: Whittingham or Camarasa ?

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:07 pm

What as camerasa done? Not good enough for betis only played 19 games for city! yes he is technically better as a footballer but then he's continental trained so expect him to be, as for whitts had best left foot in football in any league his passing vision his dead ball delivery ( who can't forget pool at Wembley? ) didn't do it in premier but then played out position ! Whitts is a legend and arguably one of city's best players of all time, both technically good in their own way so how do you compare abilities with one having 20yrs playing and one with basically 19 games in premier?