Cardiff City once turned down Jarrod Bowen.

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

My son played with him at Hereford 6th form college as a lot of kids from Abergavenny go there He mentioned that city turned him down and this was after at 16 he scored the winning goal to keep Hereford in the conference . I do not know of any welsh connection thou Surely after last season Wales would have called him up

FAW approached him at under 18s and 21 levels and he pledged his allegiance to England.

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

With Bowen we never lost him from our academy as he was never in it I think that this is the issue as he had already played first team football for Hereford . The problem clubs have is identifying those players who will develope between the ages of 16 and 21 My son was in the same age group at Lockyer and at 16 I think most of us would have released him
As of yet no player city have released in the past 20 years has done anything yet that would make us regret that we did not keep them

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

With Bowen we never lost him from our academy as he was never in it I think that this is the issue as he had already played first team football for Hereford . The problem clubs have is identifying those players who will develope between the ages of 16 and 21 My son was in the same age group at Lockyer and at 16 I think most of us would have released him
As of yet no player city have released in the past 20 years has done anything yet that would make us regret that we did not keep them

I know that - but we've been offered him and not taken him on. I agree with above, they can knuckle down and come good. It's just frustrating to see us lose these players who now have good potential and can command fees. Regardless if they do nothing for the rest of their career, Bowen is being linked with £10m moves. Lockyer with £2m. Regan Poole went to Manchester United, Tom James linked with Championship clubs and Celtic. Even Ajayi is being linked with decent clubs now.

We're buying well now but when we're paying off Johnny foreigner on £20k a week and he's done f all it's frustrating that we're getting rid of young, hungry talent.

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

not at all different in that both them and us are attempting to bring through players good enough for our respective levels..
during the period of time we are talking about here our accademy have probably had , looked at and let go litterally hundreds..its insane to be thinking we should keep them all just incase they become good enough for Bristol Rovers.
some players improve others dont ,some dont develop physically as youd expect while others develope beyond expectation..its football not science and if clubs could get this spot on there would be very few transfers..

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

not at all different in that both them and us are attempting to bring through players good enough for our respective levels..
during the period of time we are talking about here our accademy have probably had , looked at and let go litterally hundreds..its insane to be thinking we should keep them all just incase they become good enough for Bristol Rovers.
some players improve others dont ,some dont develop physically as youd expect while others develope beyond expectation..its football not science and if clubs could get this spot on there would be very few transfers..

I'm not at all suggesting we should be spot on. I've said multiple times clubs get it wrong. 100% we're BOUND to miss out on these kids. It's going to happen. But my point being is there's been many in the last 3,4 years alone from us.

And again, I'm not saying we should keep everyone. I'm just saying there's been a lot lately we've let go that now look like they will come good - they still might not, but their current value is decent. When earlier in the 2000s we gave these kids a chance and they proved to be good. Collins, Gabbidon, Gunter, Ramsey, Earnshaw, etc. Now we just let them go and they prove themselves elsewhere.

I know there are variables. There are players who grow a foot in a year and become much more physical. I expect us to miss out when that sort of thing happens, but we pay people to nurture these talents and to have an eye for talent and it's criminal that based on current value there's £15m-20m worth of talent that we let go and we only have Joe Ralls as an asset of the academy with any real value currently.

For what it’s worth none of the aforementioned players would improve our current squad. Regan Poole didn’t exactly look brilliant for Northampton last year. So we done the right thing in my eyes, if we’d let go a player that would improve our squad then yes I could see your point

For what it’s worth none of the aforementioned players would improve our current squad. Regan Poole didn’t exactly look brilliant for Northampton last year. So we done the right thing in my eyes, if we’d let go a player that would improve our squad then yes I could see your point

I get your point. But if a player improves our squad or not is irrelevant. If Lockyer was here, based on his current value, we'd get £2m and that's £2m for a player that we don't need. GREAT business. Imagine Regan Poole, we would be under no pressure to have had sold him for the £50k United paid Newport since we're not that desperate for £50k, where as Newport are. We could've held on and sold for more once he's more developed.

That's football, you outgrow players with certain pedigree and so can sell assets you no longer need.

For what it’s worth none of the aforementioned players would improve our current squad. Regan Poole didn’t exactly look brilliant for Northampton last year. So we done the right thing in my eyes, if we’d let go a player that would improve our squad then yes I could see your point

I get your point. But if a player improves our squad or not is irrelevant. If Lockyer was here, based on his current value, we'd get £2m and that's £2m for a player that we don't need. GREAT business. Imagine Regan Poole, we would be under no pressure to have had sold him for the £50k United paid Newport since we're not that desperate for £50k, where as Newport are. We could've held on and sold for more once he's more developed.

That's football, you outgrow players with certain pedigree and so can sell assets you no longer need.

your missing the point TAP..had we kept Regan he wouldnt have shone playing for Newport..unless he went on loan and MUFC offered US 50k which as you saiod we would turn down ,which would leave us now having wasted time effort and money on someone not good enough for Northampton ..?..clubs are not going to come here and chuck money at players not good enough for our 1st team squad..which none of these were

For what it’s worth none of the aforementioned players would improve our current squad. Regan Poole didn’t exactly look brilliant for Northampton last year. So we done the right thing in my eyes, if we’d let go a player that would improve our squad then yes I could see your point

I get your point. But if a player improves our squad or not is irrelevant. If Lockyer was here, based on his current value, we'd get £2m and that's £2m for a player that we don't need. GREAT business. Imagine Regan Poole, we would be under no pressure to have had sold him for the £50k United paid Newport since we're not that desperate for £50k, where as Newport are. We could've held on and sold for more once he's more developed.

That's football, you outgrow players with certain pedigree and so can sell assets you no longer need.

your missing the point TAP..had we kept Regan he wouldnt have shone playing for Newport..unless he went on loan and MUFC offered US 50k which as you saiod we would turn down ,which would leave us now having wasted time effort and money on someone not good enough for Northampton ..?..clubs are not going to come here and chuck money at players not good enough for our 1st team squad..which none of these were

I'm not missing the point. I've said about 100 times, I agree, these players are hit and miss. 100%. But right now, here in the moment we've got players we've let go from academy and they're worth money now. Never used to happen, but it is has all of a sudden. The fact Regan Poole is 18 and can't get into a League One time (if that's even the case?) is by no means a disaster so can't base anything off of that.

I'm just saying why are we missing these talents in the last few years when we've been spot on previously?

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

Regan Poole can't really be used as an example, he's 20 years of age hasn't featured for Man Utd and was on loan to league 2 Northampton.

What do you think we've missed exactly?

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

Regan Poole can't really be used as an example, he's 20 years of age hasn't featured for Man Utd and was on loan to league 2 Northampton.

What do you think we've missed exactly?

He's hardly been a failure not playing for Man Utd when he's just turned 20 after this season has ended. He featured 18 times for Northampton and they were in League One last season. Jimmy Ffloyd Hasselbaink took over and tried putting more experience in the squad for a relegation battle and Poole missed out because he was only 19.

We've got rid of Tom James, now at Yeovil and being linked with Championship clubs and Celtic. Tom Lockyer, linked with Championship clubs. Sami Ajeyi, played very well for Rotherham, will feature in Championship next season. The OT states we rejected Jarrod Bowen, now being linked with £10m moves. There could be more

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

Regan Poole can't really be used as an example, he's 20 years of age hasn't featured for Man Utd and was on loan to league 2 Northampton.

What do you think we've missed exactly?

If we kept Lockyer he would not have got into the first team and not worth his value . I am glad Tom Lockyer left as I liked the lad and his parents if he had stayed he would have gone the same way as Tommy O’Sullivan and Theo Wharton

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

Regan Poole can't really be used as an example, he's 20 years of age hasn't featured for Man Utd and was on loan to league 2 Northampton.

What do you think we've missed exactly?

If we kept Lockyer he would not have got into the first team and not worth his value . I am glad Tom Lockyer left as I liked the lad and his parents if he had stayed he would have gone the same way as Tommy O’Sullivan and Theo Wharton

This is just proving my point

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

Regan Poole can't really be used as an example, he's 20 years of age hasn't featured for Man Utd and was on loan to league 2 Northampton.

What do you think we've missed exactly?

If we kept Lockyer he would not have got into the first team and not worth his value . I am glad Tom Lockyer left as I liked the lad and his parents if he had stayed he would have gone the same way as Tommy O’Sullivan and Theo Wharton

This is just proving my point

He would have been worth nothing if he stayed with us thou

I didn’t realise that we turned down Jarrod Bowen in 2013 after a trial from Hereford after they had been relegated from the Conference. He went to Hull City instead and he is now valued at 10m! He is also apparently dual qualified England/Wales, according to Transfermarkt,surprised we haven’t called him into the Welsh Squad?

It's quite poor the amount of youngsters we've missed out on. I know all clubs miss a player here and there but even just in the last few years: Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer, Tom James & Jarrod Bowen can all command decent fees and we just straight up let them go.

I know they haven't done much yet to prove they'll come good but does that matter when there's £15-20m worth of talent there already?

these players are only worth their current values { estimated values at that } because other lower teams gave them a go. they quite simply were not good enough at the time to challenge for our 1st team and you cant keep everyone...

I do get that and like I said, you're bound to be wrong on 1 or 2 like every club but I've named 4 players on the top of my head. There's probably more. Seems a bit ridiculous that we've been wrong that many times and only Ralls has made the step up in the last few years when clearly we had talent.

these 4 were not picked up by championship clubs though which suggests we did get it correct.? the fact that then they knuckled down..or developed better than anticipated is good on them .
did Man Utd fans lose any sleep because Mark Delaney was picked up by fourth division Cardiff 5 years after releasing him.? i think not.

Man Utd are a bit different though aren't they? They messed up on Pogba but were able to pay £90m to bring him back. We're in a totally different world. We can't afford to let players go who end up going for decent money. Poole went to Newport, as did a few other boys from our academy. Lockyer and several others have gone to Bristol Rovers so it's obviously them wanting to stay local.

Main example is Regan Poole, we let him go at 15 and he's in Newport's first team at 16 and he's then off to Man Utd. How did we mess up that badly? Can understand it with Bowen being 20, 21, that's 5 years to improve. Same with Lockyer.

Regan Poole can't really be used as an example, he's 20 years of age hasn't featured for Man Utd and was on loan to league 2 Northampton.

What do you think we've missed exactly?

If we kept Lockyer he would not have got into the first team and not worth his value . I am glad Tom Lockyer left as I liked the lad and his parents if he had stayed he would have gone the same way as Tommy O’Sullivan and Theo Wharton

This is just proving my point

He would have been worth nothing if he stayed with us thou

Because we suppress talent. Which was my exact point

For what it’s worth none of the aforementioned players would improve our current squad. Regan Poole didn’t exactly look brilliant for Northampton last year. So we done the right thing in my eyes, if we’d let go a player that would improve our squad then yes I could see your point

I get your point. But if a player improves our squad or not is irrelevant. If Lockyer was here, based on his current value, we'd get £2m and that's £2m for a player that we don't need. GREAT business. Imagine Regan Poole, we would be under no pressure to have had sold him for the £50k United paid Newport since we're not that desperate for £50k, where as Newport are. We could've held on and sold for more once he's more developed.

That's football, you outgrow players with certain pedigree and so can sell assets you no longer need.

your missing the point TAP..had we kept Regan he wouldnt have shone playing for Newport..unless he went on loan and MUFC offered US 50k which as you saiod we would turn down ,which would leave us now having wasted time effort and money on someone not good enough for Northampton ..?..clubs are not going to come here and chuck money at players not good enough for our 1st team squad..which none of these were

I'm not missing the point. I've said about 100 times, I agree, these players are hit and miss. 100%. But right now, here in the moment we've got players we've let go from academy and they're worth money now. Never used to happen, but it is has all of a sudden. The fact Regan Poole is 18 and can't get into a League One time (if that's even the case?) is by no means a disaster so can't base anything off of that.

I'm just saying why are we missing these talents in the last few years when we've been spot on previously?

we have never released players that then play 3/4 levels lower..? i think we have you know

For what it’s worth none of the aforementioned players would improve our current squad. Regan Poole didn’t exactly look brilliant for Northampton last year. So we done the right thing in my eyes, if we’d let go a player that would improve our squad then yes I could see your point

I get your point. But if a player improves our squad or not is irrelevant. If Lockyer was here, based on his current value, we'd get £2m and that's £2m for a player that we don't need. GREAT business. Imagine Regan Poole, we would be under no pressure to have had sold him for the £50k United paid Newport since we're not that desperate for £50k, where as Newport are. We could've held on and sold for more once he's more developed.

That's football, you outgrow players with certain pedigree and so can sell assets you no longer need.

your missing the point TAP..had we kept Regan he wouldnt have shone playing for Newport..unless he went on loan and MUFC offered US 50k which as you saiod we would turn down ,which would leave us now having wasted time effort and money on someone not good enough for Northampton ..?..clubs are not going to come here and chuck money at players not good enough for our 1st team squad..which none of these were

I'm not missing the point. I've said about 100 times, I agree, these players are hit and miss. 100%. But right now, here in the moment we've got players we've let go from academy and they're worth money now. Never used to happen, but it is has all of a sudden. The fact Regan Poole is 18 and can't get into a League One time (if that's even the case?) is by no means a disaster so can't base anything off of that.

I'm just saying why are we missing these talents in the last few years when we've been spot on previously?

we have never released players that then play 3/4 levels lower..? i think we have you know

Also Regan Poole is 20 not 18 as you’ve said TAP.

Areon Wainwright was released by Cardiff City four years ago and now is a Welsh International at RUGBY!

Areon Wainwright was released by Cardiff City four years ago and now is a Welsh International at RUGBY!

thats 4 million more we have lost then.

FAW approached him at under 18s and 21 levels and he pledged his allegiance to England.

Lynch him over the river wye

Wasn’t Jazz released as a youngster, and we had to pay to get him back? or at least swopped for 5m man Malone?

Wasn’t Jazz released as a youngster, and we had to pay to get him back? or at least swopped for 5m man Malone?

we had Dean Saunders here on loan could have signed him on a free as Swansea were releasing him. fast forward 6 years and Liverpool pay a british record transfer fee for him...shit happens.

Declan John will be our biggest f**k up IMO not the ones mentioned.

Always rated him, was the best player on the park at Stoke in the PL season, played 20 games at the age of what 17/18 in the EPL then badly managed.

Let Rangers have him for next to nothing, literally just turned 22, attacking left wing back fits what most Clubs want these days, can see him moving on for millions in a few years if he carries on the progress.