Tan and Crowds

I have been supporting Cardiff for 50 years and in my opinion Vincent Tan is the best chairman we have ever had, lots of financial backing which was totally wasted by MM and OGS. He made one "business" mistake which he subsequently reversed that, of course, was the colour of our kit
Forever Blue and Bakedalaska have recently posted comments such as "I won't forgive Tan" and " He turned is back on blue" , I find these comments pathetic and not worthy of a 5 year old child.
They keep on blaming the poor crowds on the colour change. Are we really suggesting that there are about 5,000 fans sitting in front of the television saying "I am a loyal Cardiff city supporter but I am not going to watch because of a decision that Tan took years ago and one that he has now changed", I really don't think so.
Reasons for poor attendances have been given in previous posts and I tend to agree with them but I don't subscribe to the impression given by some people that there is a mass exodus because of the colour issue.
I am afraid that is in the minds of one or two posters on this board who have a couple of mates who have told them that and if they are staying away because of that then pathetic!

I'll have to come to you for a character reference.

Think we have a lot of loyal fans but our fan base has changed more than any other club in the last 10 years. Many who used to go to ninian park for its liveliness don’t go these days. Plenty saw us go up last in 2013 and it was shambolic, do they care about promotion anymore? I really don’t think so, crowds are low and I bet most just think we will implode at some point, maybe make the playoffs but inevitably lose out, again. So is it worth more pain so to speak? I wasn’t at the game last night but was driving towards canton before the game and was amazed as there was no traffic at all.....

Think we have a lot of loyal fans but our fan base has changed more than any other club in the last 10 years.

Many who used to go to ninian park for its liveliness don’t go these days. Plenty saw us go up last in 2013 and it was shambolic, do they care about promotion anymore? I really don’t think so, crowds are low and I bet most just think we will implode at some point, maybe make the playoffs but inevitably lose out, again. So is it worth more pain so to speak? I wasn’t at the game last night but was driving towards canton before the game and was amazed as there was no traffic at all.....

Goats, There is so much truth there. I have been speaking to so many City fans who caught be bothered going down there.

It started with Wayne Nash and killing the atmosphere,then the police continually in fans faces,then the Rebrand.

There is a Port Talbot lad over here now and he says, Port Talbot/Neath use to love going down there and away on mass, now hardly any bother anymore and thats just two areas.

City do have a massive problem in getting our crowds back, massive.

I have been supporting Cardiff for 50 years and in my opinion Vincent Tan is the best chairman we have ever had, lots of financial backing which was totally wasted by MM and OGS. He made one "business" mistake which he subsequently reversed that, of course, was the colour of our kit
Forever Blue and Bakedalaska have recently posted comments such as "I won't forgive Tan" and " He turned is back on blue" , I find these comments pathetic and not worthy of a 5 year old child.
They keep on blaming the poor crowds on the colour change. Are we really suggesting that there are about 5,000 fans sitting in front of the television saying "I am a loyal Cardiff city supporter but I am not going to watch because of a decision that Tan took years ago and one that he has now changed", I really don't think so.
Reasons for poor attendances have been given in previous posts and I tend to agree with them but I don't subscribe to the impression given by some people that there is a mass exodus because of the colour issue.
I am afraid that is in the minds of one or two posters on this board who have a couple of mates who have told them that and if they are staying away because of that then pathetic!

We are allowed our opinions and being sarcastic & belittling, makes your post weak before you start.

If you have been a fan for 50 years as you say,surely Our identity meant something to you??

If I don't want to forgive surely thats up to me, as we are in a free world are we not? ?
Or are you dictating?

So come on then, Why are the crowds not improving and are so low??

How come then Tan,CCFC,Warnock, Vince Alm, Myself are all worried about our awful crowds??

I look forward to your Adult replies

Think we have a lot of loyal fans but our fan base has changed more than any other club in the last 10 years. Many who used to go to ninian park for its liveliness don’t go these days. Plenty saw us go up last in 2013 and it was shambolic, do they care about promotion anymore? I really don’t think so, crowds are low and I bet most just think we will implode at some point, maybe make the playoffs but inevitably lose out, again. So is it worth more pain so to speak? I wasn’t at the game last night but was driving towards canton before the game and was amazed as there was no traffic at all.....

I would say the re-brand and the Premier experience has had a long lasting effect on crowds. I have given my reasons why so have no intention of going over them again. I do believe though that there is a fear if we do go up it will all be repeated again. It might be different because we are back in blue but there is an inkling in the air that will not be enough.

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Think we have a lot of loyal fans but our fan base has changed more than any other club in the last 10 years.

Many who used to go to ninian park for its liveliness don’t go these days. Plenty saw us go up last in 2013 and it was shambolic, do they care about promotion anymore? I really don’t think so, crowds are low and I bet most just think we will implode at some point, maybe make the playoffs but inevitably lose out, again. So is it worth more pain so to speak? I wasn’t at the game last night but was driving towards canton before the game and was amazed as there was no traffic at all.....

Goats, There is so much truth there. I have been speaking to so many City fans who caught be bothered going down there.

It started with Wayne Nash and killing the atmosphere,then the police continually in fans faces,then the Rebrand.

There is a Port Talbot lad over here now and he says, Port Talbot/Neath use to love going down there and away on mass, now hardly any bother anymore and thats just two areas.

City do have a massive problem in getting our crowds back, massive.

We had 18K STs when we were in this position last time. We are down to 14K.

Besides my own explanations why I have not received any others why we are down 4K despite being back in Blue.

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Not really but someone has got the hump on us losing last night so has decided to take it out on Annis and myself.

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

The new poster on here started this new topic, not us

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Not really but someone has got the hump on us losing last night so has decided to take it out on Annis and myself.

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Not really but someone has got the hump on us losing last night so has decided to take it out on Annis and myself.

calm yourself, don't think yourself so lucky
Im not sure what made you think it was about you two
Whatever helps you through the day i guess

Think we have a lot of loyal fans but our fan base has changed more than any other club in the last 10 years.

Many who used to go to ninian park for its liveliness don’t go these days. Plenty saw us go up last in 2013 and it was shambolic, do they care about promotion anymore? I really don’t think so, crowds are low and I bet most just think we will implode at some point, maybe make the playoffs but inevitably lose out, again. So is it worth more pain so to speak? I wasn’t at the game last night but was driving towards canton before the game and was amazed as there was no traffic at all.....

Goats, There is so much truth there. I have been speaking to so many City fans who caught be bothered going down there.

It started with Wayne Nash and killing the atmosphere,then the police continually in fans faces,then the Rebrand.

There is a Port Talbot lad over here now and he says, Port Talbot/Neath use to love going down there and away on mass, now hardly any bother anymore and thats just two areas.

City do have a massive problem in getting our crowds back, massive.

Yes and it’s the same all over like with Neath and PT, fans who have been the most loyal right on the doorstep of the enemy too.
Maybe someone needs a proper meeting with Tan about the ground set up, after all whatever he says goes and he can over rule Nash. Don’t know why people think any changes could result in trouble? Those days are long gone as you will go to jail nowadays, not a slap on the wrist and ejected. No one wants jail do they. Improving the atmosphere in the ground will encourage people like the Neath and pt lads to return I’m sure....our supporter have always like a bit of banter with away fans, think it’s in the blood in South Wales......

Think we have a lot of loyal fans but our fan base has changed more than any other club in the last 10 years.

Many who used to go to ninian park for its liveliness don’t go these days. Plenty saw us go up last in 2013 and it was shambolic, do they care about promotion anymore? I really don’t think so, crowds are low and I bet most just think we will implode at some point, maybe make the playoffs but inevitably lose out, again. So is it worth more pain so to speak? I wasn’t at the game last night but was driving towards canton before the game and was amazed as there was no traffic at all.....

Goats, There is so much truth there. I have been speaking to so many City fans who caught be bothered going down there.

It started with Wayne Nash and killing the atmosphere,then the police continually in fans faces,then the Rebrand.

There is a Port Talbot lad over here now and he says, Port Talbot/Neath use to love going down there and away on mass, now hardly any bother anymore and thats just two areas.

City do have a massive problem in getting our crowds back, massive.

Yes and it’s the same all over like with Neath and PT, fans who have been the most loyal right on the doorstep of the enemy too.
Maybe someone needs a proper meeting with Tan about the ground set up, after all whatever he says goes and he can over rule Nash. Don’t know why people think any changes could result in trouble? Those days are long gone as you will go to jail nowadays, not a slap on the wrist and ejected. No one wants jail do they. Improving the atmosphere in the ground will encourage people like the Neath and pt lads to return I’m sure....our supporter have always like a bit of banter with away fans, think it’s in the blood in South Wales......

Neath/Port Talbot massive stronghold for City, but not going,very worrying.

Its very hard to have chats with Tan, I had one once for three hours and thankfully Nash was not around and Tan listened regarding the Rebrand etc and guess what Jenkins/Nash/Whitley etc following days told him the fans are happy with the Rebrand don't listen to Annis.

Tan is surrounded now everywhere he goes and last night Mallo tried to talk to him and two security said straight away he could not.

Those under Tan ,have done very very well out of our club and at the same time destroyed our club in my opinion.

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Not really but someone has got the hump on us losing last night so has decided to take it out on Annis and myself.

calm yourself, don't think yourself so lucky
Im not sure what made you think it was about you two
Whatever helps you through the day i guess

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Not really but someone has got the hump on us losing last night so has decided to take it out on Annis and myself.

calm yourself, don't think yourself so lucky
Im not sure what made you think it was about you two
Whatever helps you through the day i guess

I try and survive day by day.

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Not really but someone has got the hump on us losing last night so has decided to take it out on Annis and myself.

calm yourself, don't think yourself so lucky
Im not sure what made you think it was about you two
Whatever helps you through the day i guess

I try and survive day by day.

have a good new year lads.
we will win the next 4 anyway

do we really need the negativity at the moment? to bring the rebrand back up?
we also have a sticky for the same issue.

Not really but someone has got the hump on us losing last night so has decided to take it out on Annis and myself.

calm yourself, don't think yourself so lucky
Im not sure what made you think it was about you two
Whatever helps you through the day i guess

I try and survive day by day.

have a good new year lads.
we will win the next 4 anyway

Happy New Year

I have been supporting Cardiff for 50 years and in my opinion Vincent Tan is the best chairman we have ever had, lots of financial backing which was totally wasted by MM and OGS. He made one "business" mistake which he subsequently reversed that, of course, was the colour of our kit
Forever Blue and Bakedalaska have recently posted comments such as "I won't forgive Tan" and " He turned is back on blue" , I find these comments pathetic and not worthy of a 5 year old child.
They keep on blaming the poor crowds on the colour change. Are we really suggesting that there are about 5,000 fans sitting in front of the television saying "I am a loyal Cardiff city supporter but I am not going to watch because of a decision that Tan took years ago and one that he has now changed", I really don't think so.
Reasons for poor attendances have been given in previous posts and I tend to agree with them but I don't subscribe to the impression given by some people that there is a mass exodus because of the colour issue.
I am afraid that is in the minds of one or two posters on this board who have a couple of mates who have told them that and if they are staying away because of that then pathetic!

Tan and rebrand is an exceptable and main excuse for low crowds According to some! But having better things to spend their money on besides football or fact that most people have had no pay rise in 4yrs and seen money tight and priorities change or its to expensive is no excuse for some on here! It's like talking to but hey ho it keeps them happy

I don't know anyone who stopped going to games because of the rebrand so can't really say about that. What I have noticed though is a lot of people who used to have season tickets year on year have now stopped due to settling down and having a young family. Not saying they couldn't afford it still but their choice is to spend money elsewhere.

I have been supporting Cardiff for 50 years and in my opinion Vincent Tan is the best chairman we have ever had, lots of financial backing which was totally wasted by MM and OGS. He made one "business" mistake which he subsequently reversed that, of course, was the colour of our kit
Forever Blue and Bakedalaska have recently posted comments such as "I won't forgive Tan" and " He turned is back on blue" , I find these comments pathetic and not worthy of a 5 year old child.
They keep on blaming the poor crowds on the colour change. Are we really suggesting that there are about 5,000 fans sitting in front of the television saying "I am a loyal Cardiff city supporter but I am not going to watch because of a decision that Tan took years ago and one that he has now changed", I really don't think so.
Reasons for poor attendances have been given in previous posts and I tend to agree with them but I don't subscribe to the impression given by some people that there is a mass exodus because of the colour issue.
I am afraid that is in the minds of one or two posters on this board who have a couple of mates who have told them that and if they are staying away because of that then pathetic!

Tan and rebrand is an exceptable and main excuse for low crowds According to some! But having better things to spend their money on besides football or fact that most people have had no pay rise in 4yrs and seen money tight and priorities change or its to expensive is no excuse for some on here! It's like talking to but hey ho it keeps them happy

Allan, Well how come most clubs crowds are increasing?

Surely its the same in the rest of the UK?

I don't know anyone who stopped going to games because of the rebrand so can't really say about that. What I have noticed though is a lot of people who used to have season tickets year on year have now stopped due to settling down and having a young family. Not saying they couldn't afford it still but their choice is to spend money elsewhere.

Luke, well I know hundreds

Does the settling down,moving on etc relate to all football clubs? Surely your not saying only Cardiff fans this happens to?

I don't know anyone who stopped going to games because of the rebrand so can't really say about that. What I have noticed though is a lot of people who used to have season tickets year on year have now stopped due to settling down and having a young family. Not saying they couldn't afford it still but their choice is to spend money elsewhere.

Luke, well I know hundreds

Does the settling down,moving on etc relate to all football clubs? Surely your not saying only Cardiff fans this happens to?

Dont care about other clubs really, I'm sure it does happen at other clubs though. Can only say about the people I've spoke to, I think the core fan base had a good group of fans all around the same age and now some of these people have decided it's family time.

I would think most fans we have lost are because the excitement has gone, pretty much from when Sam case we were progressing, spending money, new leagues, new teams, new expensive signings. Now it's the same old championship, we had the promotion that got people excited for a new league. Now it's back to the championship where we have played for a very very long time.

I don't know anyone who stopped going to games because of the rebrand so can't really say about that. What I have noticed though is a lot of people who used to have season tickets year on year have now stopped due to settling down and having a young family. Not saying they couldn't afford it still but their choice is to spend money elsewhere.

Luke, well I know hundreds

Does the settling down,moving on etc relate to all football clubs? Surely your not saying only Cardiff fans this happens to?

Dont care about other clubs really, I'm sure it does happen at other clubs though. Can only say about the people I've spoke to, I think the core fan base had a good group of fans all around the same age and now some of these people have decided it's family time.

I would think most fans we have lost are because the excitement has gone, pretty much from when Sam case we were progressing, spending money, new leagues, new teams, new expensive signings. Now it's the same old championship, we had the promotion that got people excited for a new league. Now it's back to the championship where we have played for a very very long time.

Luke, but then as some move on, more fans come through

True Annis but do the new generation have the loyalty

True Annis but do the new generation have the loyalty

Luke, My opinion, hardly any.

I am not going over old ground with regards the reasons for the poor attendances, I am just making the point it is nothing to do with the colour.
You keeping on about it doesn't help, change the record!

Most of you are idiots on here and never seen City play in the last 40 years, your more like jacks the lot of you.

I am not going over old ground with regards the reasons for the poor attendances, I am just making the point it is nothing to do with the colour.
You keeping on about it doesn't help, change the record!


Most of you are idiots on here and never seen City play in the last 40 years, your more like jacks the lot of you.

So you spout off on here, come on with a couple of digs,but won't explain, I think your the child on here

How about debating and and at least give your opinion or are you not capable?

When you say old ground,you have only ever posted 4 times

Just looked at your Ip,you've been 7 different names on here, tut tut

I am not going over old ground with regards the reasons for the poor attendances, I am just making the point it is nothing to do with the colour.
You keeping on about it doesn't help, change the record!

Most of you are idiots on here and never seen City play in the last 40 years, your more like jacks the lot of you.

4 posts and already calling members idiots! Hmmmm

Think we have a lot of loyal fans but our fan base has changed more than any other club in the last 10 years.

Many who used to go to ninian park for its liveliness don’t go these days. Plenty saw us go up last in 2013 and it was shambolic, do they care about promotion anymore? I really don’t think so, crowds are low and I bet most just think we will implode at some point, maybe make the playoffs but inevitably lose out, again. So is it worth more pain so to speak? I wasn’t at the game last night but was driving towards canton before the game and was amazed as there was no traffic at all.....

Goats, There is so much truth there. I have been speaking to so many City fans who caught be bothered going down there.

It started with Wayne Nash and killing the atmosphere,then the police continually in fans faces,then the Rebrand.

There is a Port Talbot lad over here now and he says, Port Talbot/Neath use to love going down there and away on mass, now hardly any bother anymore and thats just two areas.

City do have a massive problem in getting our crowds back, massive.

We had 18K STs when we were in this position last time. We are down to 14K.

Besides my own explanations why I have not received any others why we are down 4K despite being back in Blue.

Then you have not read any of my posts of late or posts of others. You only see what you want to see. Op is 100% right.