You wanna know why our crowds are so poor...

Turn on BBC now! now dont get me wrong I love the passion and Welsh fans have for the rugby but if you think about it -

You wanna know why our crowds are so poor...

people can't afford both! Also people have the choice when younger of getting into sports and once chosen rugby that's it!

Prob not interested in the football! Im not saying you can't like both but it's expensive if you want to attend matches. Say you attend 3 or 4 rugby internationals per year - that'll be the cost of a season ticket for an entire year at Cardiff city! There's literally thousands of fans packed into the mil stadium and I just think people like rugby perhaps are Wales are massively into rugby and less football (I hate to say) they like the big events a few times per year etc.

Perhaps this is to do with the sports history over the last 30-40 years? Just imagine, if rugby wasn't such a big sport in Wales and majority of the rugby fans were footy fans instead - Cardiff would be currently getting 30k per match! That's where the people are I hate to say it.

You can blame whatever you want the rebrand, a poor couple of years pre Warnock, fixture changes, etc etc etc but I wonder whether these impCts are minor in comparison.

If Cardiff are to increase their crowds they need a period of success and perhaps actively advertise the game and the club within Cardiff. I mentioned the other day some player posters celebrating throughout the city may spur on some excitement?

I actually don't think our crowds are too bad but they could certainly be better. I guess we've had success going up the leagues over the last 20 - 25 years and that has improved our attendances. So continued success = bigger crowds!

There are over 1m people live around Cardiff and only 70k at rugby most of who are members of rugby clubs around whole of Wales! Regional rugby is poorly supported generally so there is a lot of people who support rugby but never go to internationals, you cannot force people to watch football it is a natural thing like you say success will produce the crowds nothing else will. (Except premiership )

There are over 1m people live around Cardiff and only 70k at rugby most of who are members of rugby clubs around whole of Wales! Regional rugby is poorly supported generally so there is a lot of people who support rugby but never go to internationals, you cannot force people to watch football it is a natural thing like you say success will produce the crowds nothing else will. (Except premiership )

You could put every Rugby club together in Wales and their crowds don't add up to Cardiff City's,Jacks,Newport & wrexham

Wales eggs is 5 times a year.

1.2million live with in 10 miles of Cardiff City.


Bristol,Sheffield,Liverpool,Nottingham etc have two clubs they survive well.

Bradford City, Have Bradford Northern Rugby League.

I could go and on


Egg is Def not the reason

Turn on BBC now! now dont get me wrong I love the passion and Welsh fans have for the rugby but if you think about it -

You wanna know why our crowds are so poor...

people can't afford both! Also people have the choice when younger of getting into sports and once chosen rugby that's it!

Prob not interested in the football! Im not saying you can't like both but it's expensive if you want to attend matches. Say you attend 3 or 4 rugby internationals per year - that'll be the cost of a season ticket for an entire year at Cardiff city! There's literally thousands of fans packed into the mil stadium and I just think people like rugby perhaps are Wales are massively into rugby and less football (I hate to say) they like the big events a few times per year etc.

Perhaps this is to do with the sports history over the last 30-40 years? Just imagine, if rugby wasn't such a big sport in Wales and majority of the rugby fans were footy fans instead - Cardiff would be currently getting 30k per match! That's where the people are I hate to say it.

You can blame whatever you want the rebrand, a poor couple of years pre Warnock, fixture changes, etc etc etc but I wonder whether these impCts are minor in comparison.

If Cardiff are to increase their crowds they need a period of success and perhaps actively advertise the game and the club within Cardiff. I mentioned the other day some player posters celebrating throughout the city may spur on some excitement?

I actually don't think our crowds are too bad but they could certainly be better. I guess we've had success going up the leagues over the last 20 - 25 years and that has improved our attendances. So continued success = bigger crowds!

Egg is 5 times a year, it was £75/£80 to watch them today, people find money for the big games.


To watch Cardiff City is peanuts compared to the egg.

100% nothing to do with our poor home crowds.

I hate saying this, as I dislike both clubs.




Look at this today, just one example of many I can put on here.

Bristol has two football clubs and one Rugby club.


This is the lower division club in Bristol.

Bristol Rovers take big away support everywhere.

1,400 Bristol Rovers fans travelled in League one(Div 3) all the way to Blackburn Rovers today.

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Let it go lads.

We can't keep having these same threads recycled all the time it's seriously unhealthy.

Talk about crowds after games by all means but these threads day after day after day week after week stating the same things just isn't good.

I hate saying this, as I dislike both clubs.




Look at this today, just one example of many I can put on here.

Bristol has two football clubs and one Rugby club.


This is the lower division club in Bristol.

Bristol Rovers take big away support everywhere.

1,400 Bristol Rovers fans travelled in League one(Div 3) all the way to Blackburn Rovers today.

Sorry Annis but I have to disagree. Dont forget a lot of people don't like football or rugby or any sport. Ok so perhaps I went over the top slightly but I believe if it wasn't for the rugby in Wales - the football crowds would be a lot bigger. People who are naturally interested in sport who didn't perhaps take to the rugby as a youngster may go down the football route. Iam aware that there are many people in Wales that support other teams such as Man U, Liverpool or Arsena etc. I think success will bring in the crowds as mentioned but feel Rubgy takes away some fans indirectly. Don't get me wrong I like the rugby, big buzz when Wales do well but football will always be my number one sport personally. it's everything to do with local culture and what Wales is about. A friend of mine moved to Wales about 5 years ago and they said when they think of Wales they think of rugby! I'm not dissing rugby because I think it's a great thing for a nation to get passionate about a sport but it effects the local football attendances IMO.

And if I'm wrong then what is it about? Why aren't we getting 25k 2nd in the championship?

There are over 1m people live around Cardiff and only 70k at rugby most of who are members of rugby clubs around whole of Wales! Regional rugby is poorly supported generally so there is a lot of people who support rugby but never go to internationals, you cannot force people to watch football it is a natural thing like you say success will produce the crowds nothing else will. (Except premiership )

You could put every Rugby club together in Wales and their crowds don't add up to Cardiff City's,Jacks,Newport & wrexham

Wales eggs is 5 times a year.

1.2million live with in 10 miles of Cardiff City.


Bristol,Sheffield,Liverpool,Nottingham etc have two clubs they survive well.

Bradford City, Have Bradford Northern Rugby League.

I could go and on


Egg is Def not the reason

And it's not about the money as city is relatively cheap, just don't think we have the support generally unless we are successful over a period of time history tells us that! Other clubs support are historically good no matter what league they are in so cannot compare realistically, our 18k average this season shows crowds will improve with success as was lot less last season! 25k is just not realistic at this time unless we are near top come march

You need to add in weekly costs of travel, food ,drink etc

Wales rugby is well supported 4 times a year. Add prices of everything together and to go to a every wales game would be at around £400 a year.

Now look at cardiff with 24 home games a year. Add prices on top of season tickets and there is a big difference.

If you averaged that a normal person spends £30 a game (most will spend a lot more) that would be £720 a season before tickets which is more than a whole year of rugby on its own.

Then you have a further 24 games as away trips. Money does have a big effect on football

If wales played 24 times a year they would probably have a average attendance very similar to the club sides which is pretty poor

A few years in the Prem and a lot of these fans will be at the City.

Don't believe me, have a look at the Jacks

Autumn internationals and six nations that's the whole commitment for a year .they sell out the same in Scotland which could hardly be called a rugby nation.Cardiff city aren't all supported agreed but maybe that's because they've only had one genuine period of proper success the 1920s.

I think the plastic Liverpool and United fans have a bigger impact.

We are a small club...simple as that.

Turn on BBC now! now dont get me wrong I love the passion and Welsh fans have for the rugby but if you think about it -

You wanna know why our crowds are so poor...

people can't afford both! Also people have the choice when younger of getting into sports and once chosen rugby that's it!

Prob not interested in the football! Im not saying you can't like both but it's expensive if you want to attend matches. Say you attend 3 or 4 rugby internationals per year - that'll be the cost of a season ticket for an entire year at Cardiff city! There's literally thousands of fans packed into the mil stadium and I just think people like rugby perhaps are Wales are massively into rugby and less football (I hate to say) they like the big events a few times per year etc.

Perhaps this is to do with the sports history over the last 30-40 years? Just imagine, if rugby wasn't such a big sport in Wales and majority of the rugby fans were footy fans instead - Cardiff would be currently getting 30k per match! That's where the people are I hate to say it.

You can blame whatever you want the rebrand, a poor couple of years pre Warnock, fixture changes, etc etc etc but I wonder whether these impCts are minor in comparison.

If Cardiff are to increase their crowds they need a period of success and perhaps actively advertise the game and the club within Cardiff. I mentioned the other day some player posters celebrating throughout the city may spur on some excitement?

I actually don't think our crowds are too bad but they could certainly be better. I guess we've had success going up the leagues over the last 20 - 25 years and that has improved our attendances. So continued success = bigger crowds!

Most of them have no interest in football
Most travel from outside the Cardiff area
My wife is there only supports Welsh rugby and F1

Don’t blame rugby for bad attendance at football home or away

you can't blame rugby as long as their are supporter buses full leaving south Wales to go support Liverpool and Man UTd etc.every weekend.

This guy must have only been following us over the last ten years. We’re down to our core support now, to which I don’t mind at all.

At least the people who attend now are actually there to watch Cardiff and not the big Premier League sides.

As long as the people who attend get behind the boys I couldn’t care less how many are there. You can’t force people to attend and to be fair to Warnocks boys and the club, they can’t do anymore than what they’ve doing now.

This guy must have only been following us over the last ten years. We’re down to our core support now, to which I don’t mind at all.

At least the people who attend now are actually there to watch Cardiff and not the big Premier League sides.

As long as the people who attend get behind the boys I couldn’t care less how many are there. You can’t force people to attend and to be fair to Warnocks boys and the club, they can’t do anymore than what they’ve doing now.

Spot on

You cant compare Club football with international rugby. Its not the same.

The Mill Stad was sold out today i assume, but midway through the first half all i could hear from the crowd was chatter! Like a bunch of wives down the local labour club!
You dont get that at any level football. If the crowd arent singing at the footy, they are watching the game, not sat there in their Cotton Traders red top with a pint in their hands discussing the Primark sales!
Last week at the Georgia game the stadium was two thirds full. Where was the millions of passionate Welsh supporters then? Or dare i say they are being selective with what games they attend dependent on how big the opposition are.


28th October

Cardiff V Millwall Att 18,496

Scarletts V Cardiff Blues Att 9,003
Ospreys V Dragons Att 7,442 Total Att For Both 16,445

Same Date, Two Were Welsh Derbys For the Egg. Would A Cardiff V Swansea Get the same Attendance?

I went to the Derby match for old time sake and the entertainment value was zero.as bad as it was under Malkey, some are happy with winning ugly but i like to watch good football

Turn on BBC now! now dont get me wrong I love the passion and Welsh fans have for the rugby but if you think about it -

You wanna know why our crowds are so poor...

people can't afford both! Also people have the choice when younger of getting into sports and once chosen rugby that's it!

Prob not interested in the football! Im not saying you can't like both but it's expensive if you want to attend matches. Say you attend 3 or 4 rugby internationals per year - that'll be the cost of a season ticket for an entire year at Cardiff city! There's literally thousands of fans packed into the mil stadium and I just think people like rugby perhaps are Wales are massively into rugby and less football (I hate to say) they like the big events a few times per year etc.

Perhaps this is to do with the sports history over the last 30-40 years? Just imagine, if rugby wasn't such a big sport in Wales and majority of the rugby fans were footy fans instead - Cardiff would be currently getting 30k per match! That's where the people are I hate to say it.

You can blame whatever you want the rebrand, a poor couple of years pre Warnock, fixture changes, etc etc etc but I wonder whether these impCts are minor in comparison.

If Cardiff are to increase their crowds they need a period of success and perhaps actively advertise the game and the club within Cardiff. I mentioned the other day some player posters celebrating throughout the city may spur on some excitement?

I actually don't think our crowds are too bad but they could certainly be better. I guess we've had success going up the leagues over the last 20 - 25 years and that has improved our attendances. So continued success = bigger crowds!

Egg is 5 times a year, it was £75/£80 to watch them today, people find money for the big games.


To watch Cardiff City is peanuts compared to the egg.

100% nothing to do with our poor home crowds.

3 x Egg Games (at today's prices) will buy a City Season Ticket, Annis, so agree rugby is no excuse!

I do think the op has a point in that culturally us Welsh are supposed to eat drink and sleep rugger from a very early age. Only a sustained period of success at football international level might change that.
In the meantime our gates will be below what they could be, although i dont think they are that bad, perhaps 2/3k shy of par.

I do think the op has a point in that culturally us Welsh are supposed to eat drink and sleep rugger from a very early age. Only a sustained period of success at football international level might change that.
In the meantime our gates will be below what they could be, although i dont think they are that bad, perhaps 2/3k shy of par.

Sustained football success at club level will build our crowds .

International success won't make much difference as when Wales aren't playing they will go back to supporting Liverpool and Man Utd

I do think the op has a point in that culturally us Welsh are supposed to eat drink and sleep rugger from a very early age. Only a sustained period of success at football international level might change that.
In the meantime our gates will be below what they could be, although i dont think they are that bad, perhaps 2/3k shy of par.

Sustained football success at club level will build our crowds .

International success won't make much difference as when Wales aren't playing they will go back to supporting Liverpool and Man Utd

Just this alone should get City 25,000 home crowds.



' TONIGHT CARDIFF STAND 2ND IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP / WITH A GAME IN HAND '

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You cant compare Club football with international rugby. Its not the same.

The Mill Stad was sold out today i assume, but midway through the first half all i could hear from the crowd was chatter! Like a bunch of wives down the local labour club!
You dont get that at any level football. If the crowd arent singing at the footy, they are watching the game, not sat there in their Cotton Traders red top with a pint in their hands discussing the Primark sales!
Last week at the Georgia game the stadium was two thirds full. Where was the millions of passionate Welsh supporters then? Or dare i say they are being selective with what games they attend dependent on how big the opposition are.


28th October

Cardiff V Millwall Att 18,496

Scarletts V Cardiff Blues Att 9,003
Ospreys V Dragons Att 7,442 Total Att For Both 16,445

Same Date, Two Were Welsh Derbys For the Egg. Would A Cardiff V Swansea Get the same Attendance?

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What's the difference with football fans then?
Are we not being selective when not going to watch Panama, but bursting a gut to watch Ireland?

Like i just said its a cultural thing, a chance for us Welsh to get together and have a piss up. Rugger is just an excuse but its almost inbred into us from an early stage. Was in Tenby today. As usual loads of people from Llanelli and Swansea area down there on the lash using the egg international as a reason/excuse. I really do think its a factor which stops our crowds reaching full potential.
Look at the incredible reaction to the team reaching the semis in France last year. For the first time in my long lifetime i really felt the nation was behind the football team. That is why i was gutted that we failed to get to Russia. We need sustained international success to start to alter the mindsets of generations.

what I'm saying is that when the rugby isn't on these people go back to their everyday lives. They are only into rugby - not football. Or going out on the piss and having a day out/night out. Football is different as its not that big cultural event that is know to people from a young age. Once something has been ingrained into someone as a youngster usually that's the path they take as an adult as sports fans are mainly the same. Because these people have taken this pathway and supporting the rugby from a young age (in what ever capacity drinking day out or actually watching The game) they are not going to do the same for the football as there's no interest).

I have to say how annoyed I was once a few years ago when I bought 2 X tickets to the footy for a friends birthday. I went to pick them up on route and they were abit late when I arrived at their house. Then we got stuck In traffic not to mention they were wearing a daffodil (I was abit embarrised and had to say politely - get that off). Then when we did arrive at the stadium about 5-10 mi s prior to kick off they insisted on getting a pint or 2 of beer! Obviously I wanted to see the game so I said I'm going into to sit down as it was kickoff but they weren't interested In Actually watching the game (just like with the rugby - it's something on in the background that will get an occasional cheer if they score!) as such it was let's have a drink in the concourse and miss half the footy! They finally came to their seats about 20 mins after kick off which I have to say was quite rude when it was me who took them. They were embarrising there to say the least - never again.

How many times have you heard this - EVERYONE GOES OUT FOR THE RUGBY. It's a day out in Cardiff or come to think of it - wherever you live you can expect to go out and the rugby will be on live in the pub. I always remember a Newcastle United fan saying exactly the same comment out their club and it's right as they gave a big fan base home and away.

15 years of premier league and perhaps a cup win or semi will probably do it for Cardiff but I think it'll be hard to ever change the cultural rugby aspect of Wales. I know people who are not remotely interested in the rugby what so ever but when it's on they go out and watch it on the pub screens! Don't get me wrong I think rugby is a big asset to Wales but it's just a shame that it's so over powering.

You cant compare Club football with international rugby. Its not the same.

The Mill Stad was sold out today i assume, but midway through the first half all i could hear from the crowd was chatter! Like a bunch of wives down the local labour club!
You dont get that at any level football. If the crowd arent singing at the footy, they are watching the game, not sat there in their Cotton Traders red top with a pint in their hands discussing the Primark sales!
Last week at the Georgia game the stadium was two thirds full. Where was the millions of passionate Welsh supporters then? Or dare i say they are being selective with what games they attend dependent on how big the opposition are.


28th October

Cardiff V Millwall Att 18,496

Scarletts V Cardiff Blues Att 9,003
Ospreys V Dragons Att 7,442 Total Att For Both 16,445

Same Date, Two Were Welsh Derbys For the Egg. Would A Cardiff V Swansea Get the same Attendance?

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What's the difference with football fans then?
Are we not being selective when not going to watch Panama, but bursting a gut to watch Ireland?

Without a doubt yes. There were people moaning to me and asking me for Euro16 tickets that didnt even realise we play in the ccs and not the mil stad! Even at club level 16000 for Brentford at home, but get a Man Utd at the stadium and they will be screaming for the red stand to be reopened!
The point is that you cant say that rugby attendances are higher that football attendances.

I work in Newport with about 20 guys theres me City about 6 not into sport ALL the others are football mad Liverpool and Man U plastics who have never been to a game sadly South Wales is full of guys like them !!