Mon May 29, 2017 9:42 pm
Mon May 29, 2017 9:44 pm
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
Mon May 29, 2017 9:44 pm
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
Mon May 29, 2017 9:53 pm
Mon May 29, 2017 10:00 pm
Forever Blue wrote:angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
She clearly won![]()
Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968
Mon May 29, 2017 10:19 pm
splottbluebird48 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
She clearly won![]()
Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968
Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)
Mon May 29, 2017 10:51 pm
splottbluebird48 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
She clearly won![]()
Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968
Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)
Mon May 29, 2017 11:00 pm
Mon May 29, 2017 11:04 pm
Mon May 29, 2017 11:58 pm
Blue Legend wrote:Hmmmm interesting ...... every online poll has Corbyn winning the debate by a landslide.
Tue May 30, 2017 6:44 am
Tue May 30, 2017 7:18 am
splottbluebird48 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
She clearly won![]()
Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968
Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)
Tue May 30, 2017 8:02 am
Jules wrote:splottbluebird48 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
She clearly won![]()
Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968
Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)
so did Corbyns pals in the IRA.
Tue May 30, 2017 8:06 am
Tue May 30, 2017 8:55 am
Tue May 30, 2017 9:41 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:Its interesting that the more exposure that Corbin gets the more people can make their own judgements and not rely on the right wing press to form an opinion.And it goes without saying the reverse is true about May.
Tue May 30, 2017 9:59 am
Tue May 30, 2017 10:20 am
Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.
Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.
Tue May 30, 2017 10:37 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.
Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.
I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.
Tue May 30, 2017 10:37 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.
Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.
I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.
Tue May 30, 2017 10:42 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.
Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.
I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.
Tue May 30, 2017 10:51 am
petesmeat wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.
Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.
I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.
Most of the Tory manifesto pledges are costed and they've ridden back on pledges before the ink was dry. She is asking the British people to trust her, when he's shown she is completely untrustworthy. She's a careerist who will do whatever it takes for her to get on top, even if that means destroying the country at the same time. Her breakfasts are costed at 7p each. Nutritious.
Also, the Tories have and are bankrupting the country. The decifit has doubled since 2010. Their austerity hasn't worked and will continue to fail.
Finally, when will May actually answer a question? She is a complete joke and a very average politican. To suggest she won (as many others above have said) is completely laughable and must be solely based on Brexit. I hope Spain is more tolerant of migrants than the UK seems to be. And for the avoidance of doubt, "ex-pats" are migrants.
Tue May 30, 2017 11:27 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:petesmeat wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.
Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.
I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.
Most of the Tory manifesto pledges are costed and they've ridden back on pledges before the ink was dry. She is asking the British people to trust her, when he's shown she is completely untrustworthy. She's a careerist who will do whatever it takes for her to get on top, even if that means destroying the country at the same time. Her breakfasts are costed at 7p each. Nutritious.
Also, the Tories have and are bankrupting the country. The decifit has doubled since 2010. Their austerity hasn't worked and will continue to fail.
Finally, when will May actually answer a question? She is a complete joke and a very average politican. To suggest she won (as many others above have said) is completely laughable and must be solely based on Brexit. I hope Spain is more tolerant of migrants than the UK seems to be. And for the avoidance of doubt, "ex-pats" are migrants.
It is almost impossible to get an answer from a politician, and as far back as I can remember that has been the case. Probably just as well, because when a politician actually comes out with an answer it is complete nonsense as we saw with Abbott and her policing costs the other week, or Corbyn and his costs for free nursery care today. Both parties are asking the public to trust them. Why should the public trust either? We have Labour with their £9billion black hole in their costings according to IFS, and the Conservatives equally as bad. The choices are not good, but ultimately the country will elect May because they will have more confidence in her dealing with the EU leaders negotiating our way out of the EU than they will have in Corbyn.
Tue May 30, 2017 1:13 pm
Tue May 30, 2017 3:15 pm
Who are you wrote:How many times did she say there wouldn't be an election?1,0006 times at least. How many people will lose their heating allowance 690 million was mentioned yesterday by an economist,if it wasn't for free childcare by grandparents how many young families would not be able to survive the austerity? Immigration less than 900k promised in 2019 what is it now 940k admitted by the lady herself,what happens to British citizens livin g in Europe after brexit?
Will they remain British or European citizens in the country they live? What happens to their British pensions will it be harder to transfer them to European bank accounts?
For the many not the few.
In Cardiff today never seen so many beggars on queen street, hope this is not a sign of worse to come and we have the European champions league final here on Saturday,I wonder what the Italians and Spanish will think of our city after they have visited
I say back SNP
Tue May 30, 2017 8:27 pm
Oddschecker wrote:Both Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May went face-to-face with renowned tough-talking interviewer Jeremy Paxman last night as the pair laid out their intentions for how they would run the country if elected on June 8th.
Paxman’s no-nonsense approach appears to have favoured the Labour leader as viewers complained of the treatment dished out to the Corbyn as Paxman attempted to highlight the difference between the Labour leaders’ personal views and what is included in the Labour manifesto.
His line of questioning to the Labour leader appeared to anger a large proportion of the watching audience and led to Corbyn reminding the host on numerous occasions that the manifesto was created to represent the party and not him personally. Jeremy Corbyn, explained “I’m not a dictator who writes things to tell people what to do…This is a product of a process in our party. That’s why I was elected leader of our party: to give a voice to our members and those affiliated to our party.”
The Labour leader came out of the debate with his reputation further enhanced as many praised him for his “humour” and “calmness” during Paxman’s onslaught.
Thersea May followed Corbyn into the firing line with questioning mainly revolved around her dealings with the EU regarding Brexit. The current Prime Minister stressed that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, implying that she’d be prepared to walk away with nothing from the negotiations rather than accept a bad deal.
Corbyn’s answers to Paxman’s tough question appeared to resonate more powerfully with the betting public compared to the current Prime Minister. Since the start of the Sky News and Channel 4 programme, the Labour leader has accounted for well over double the amount of bets placed on the next Prime Minister market compared to Theresa May. In total, Corbyn has received just over 66% of bets placed on the next PM market, compared to 27% for the Conservative leader.
Off the back of last night’s debate, Jeremy Corbyn’s odds have been cut by three different bookmakers to be named next Prime Minister following the general election and is as short as 9/2. Despite the backing for the Labour leader, the Conservative party remain 1/12 to win the most seats on 8th June.
“The support for Jeremy Corbyn has been relentless over the last few weeks, however as the Conservative’s odds continue to drift we are seeing more big wagers placed on the party.”
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it
Forever Blue wrote:She clearly won![]()
Tue May 30, 2017 9:20 pm
Dave67 wrote:OddscheckerOddschecker wrote:Both Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May went face-to-face with renowned tough-talking interviewer Jeremy Paxman last night as the pair laid out their intentions for how they would run the country if elected on June 8th.
Paxman’s no-nonsense approach appears to have favoured the Labour leader as viewers complained of the treatment dished out to the Corbyn as Paxman attempted to highlight the difference between the Labour leaders’ personal views and what is included in the Labour manifesto.
His line of questioning to the Labour leader appeared to anger a large proportion of the watching audience and led to Corbyn reminding the host on numerous occasions that the manifesto was created to represent the party and not him personally. Jeremy Corbyn, explained “I’m not a dictator who writes things to tell people what to do…This is a product of a process in our party. That’s why I was elected leader of our party: to give a voice to our members and those affiliated to our party.”
The Labour leader came out of the debate with his reputation further enhanced as many praised him for his “humour” and “calmness” during Paxman’s onslaught.
Thersea May followed Corbyn into the firing line with questioning mainly revolved around her dealings with the EU regarding Brexit. The current Prime Minister stressed that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, implying that she’d be prepared to walk away with nothing from the negotiations rather than accept a bad deal.
Corbyn’s answers to Paxman’s tough question appeared to resonate more powerfully with the betting public compared to the current Prime Minister. Since the start of the Sky News and Channel 4 programme, the Labour leader has accounted for well over double the amount of bets placed on the next Prime Minister market compared to Theresa May. In total, Corbyn has received just over 66% of bets placed on the next PM market, compared to 27% for the Conservative leader.
Off the back of last night’s debate, Jeremy Corbyn’s odds have been cut by three different bookmakers to be named next Prime Minister following the general election and is as short as 9/2. Despite the backing for the Labour leader, the Conservative party remain 1/12 to win the most seats on 8th June.
“The support for Jeremy Corbyn has been relentless over the last few weeks, however as the Conservative’s odds continue to drift we are seeing more big wagers placed on the party.”angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny itForever Blue wrote:She clearly won![]()
I guess u guys saw what you wanted to see?
Tue May 30, 2017 11:32 pm
Tue May 30, 2017 11:43 pm
harold pinta wrote:Been away, just got around to watching it. How in gods name anyone could say she "won" is laughable. I'm no fan of Mays but I almost felt sorry for her at times.
If it was a football match I would say it was a comfortable 2-0 win to JC.
This is supposed to be a part political election, it shouldn't be a presidential election, but that's what May has made it and she didn't bank on the fact that JC would get out to all corners of the country and show people that he is simply a much more honest and genuine person than she is.
The tories whole campaign, which coincidentally is reflected on this very message board, is based on personal attacks and shamelessly smearing JC. Labours campaign has been based on promoting a manifesto. This is precisely why the lead has been cut so dramatically.
Perhaps this last few days the tories would be better off spending their time promoting their own policies.
Wed May 31, 2017 2:56 am
dogfound wrote:any infant school child could tell you...ITS ABOUT USING YOUR f*cking BRAIN.