REALLY SAD TO SEE/CARDIFF FOR THE 2ND YEAR IN A ROW

" REALLY SAD TO SEE CARDIFF FOR THE 2ND YEAR RUNNING HAVE THE 3RD WORST AWAY SUPPORT IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP "

Only little Burton and Wigan Athletic are worse than Cardiff City's.

Tuesday 11th April 2017

BY IAN MITCHELMORE



Cardiff City have the third LOWEST average away following in the Championship this season

Cardiff City fans have received a letter from the club

Neil Warnock has fronted the club's season ticket campaign having repeatedly called on the fans to pack out Cardiff City Stadium as he looks to fire the Bluebirds into the promised land of the Premier League next season.

Attendances have increased in the Welsh capital since the Yorkshireman replaced former boss Paul Trollope, as you'd expect given the club's turnaround in fortunes under the guidance of the veteran manager.

But stats by the Football League Zone have revealed that the Bluebirds have the third lowest following of all 24 Championship teams this season when it comes to watching their side in away games.

On average, the Bluebirds have taken 849 supporters to away matches so far this season, with only Wigan (808) and Burton Albion (796) having lower figures than Cardiff.


Perhaps unsurprisingly, former Premier League side Aston Villa top the list while Leeds United and Newcastle United are second and third respectively when it comes to backing their teams on the road.

So why has Cardiff's average away following been so low this season?


A disastrous start under former manager Paul Trollope won't have done the club any favours in terms of backing at away games, with the Bluebirds winning just one of their seven matches away from Cardiff City Stadium under their previous boss.

It has meant that - while the situation is far rosier at the moment as a result of Warnock's wonders with the club - Cardiff have had little to play for - since their relegation fears were eased - throughout the majority of the campaign.


Warnock himself has re-iterated that he is already looking at next season, despite his side still having five games left to play in the current campaign.


The Premier League announced a cap on away ticket prices ahead of the 2016/17 campaign, meaning fans would pay no more than £30 to watch their side on the road, with some clubs offering even cheaper deals.


But there is no such cap in England's second tier meaning clubs can charge away fans whatever they like, a real kick in the teeth for those hardy supporters who follow their side through the good times and the bad, regardless of whether or not there's anything to play for.

And travel is arguably the biggest stumbling block of them all when it comes to Cardiff fans watching their team in away games.


So Warnock will certainly be expecting more bums on seats in south Wales next season, and if the club's push for promotion gets off to a good start next season, there will be far more at stake and plenty more reasons for the Bluebirds to hit the road as well as enjoying home comforts.

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On average, the Bluebirds have taken 849 supporters to away matches so far this season, with only Wigan (808) and Burton Albion (796) having lower figures than Cardiff.

Cardiff have three more away games to come Sheffield Wednesday,Wigan and Huddersfield, where it will surely see this average drop even more.

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Bit surprised at qpr and Fulham having such low away support considering they have 5 or 6 local derbies !!! As I've stated before if city were in London we would not be 3rd bottom that's for sure.

Bit surprised at qpr and Fulham having such low away support considering they have 5 or 6 local derbies !!! As I've stated before if city were in London we would not be 3rd bottom that's for sure.

Allan, Last season Bolton who were rock bottom beat us and this season little Rotherham who were rock bottom beat us, two years running we are the 3rd worst away supported club.

Away support is on the up with the majority of clubs and as I have said before when clubs like Carlisle,Grimsby,Bristol Rovers, Pompey,Bradford City, Plymouth,Doncaster etc etc all beat us and they are from the lowest divisions,we should be honest at ourselves and hold our hands up and say we have a problem.

Even in the Non League,clubs beat us.

Instead we make excuses.

Two years running,we are in the bottom three for away support.


Out of curiosity who are the six London local derbies in our division? ?

Bit surprised at qpr and Fulham having such low away support considering they have 5 or 6 local derbies !!! As I've stated before if city were in London we would not be 3rd bottom that's for sure.

Allan, Last season Bolton who were rock bottom beat us and this season little Rotherham who were rock bottom beat us, two years running we are the 3rd worst away supported club.

Away support is on the up with the majority of clubs and as I have said before when clubs like Carlisle,Grimsby,Bristol Rovers, Pompey,Bradford City, Plymouth,Doncaster etc etc all beat us and they are from the lowest divisions,we should be honest at ourselves and hold our hands up and say we have a problem.



Even in the Non League,clubs beat us.

Instead we make excuses.

Two years running,we are in the bottom three for away support.




Out of curiosity who are the six London local derbies in our division? ?

Bang on Annis, there's no excuse it's just poor. It's something that needs to be looked at for sure.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

Bit surprised at qpr and Fulham having such low away support considering they have 5 or 6 local derbies !!! As I've stated before if city were in London we would not be 3rd bottom that's for sure.

Allan, Last season Bolton who were rock bottom beat us and this season little Rotherham who were rock bottom beat us, two years running we are the 3rd worst away supported club.

Away support is on the up with the majority of clubs and as I have said before when clubs like Carlisle,Grimsby,Bristol Rovers, Pompey,Bradford City, Plymouth,Doncaster etc etc all beat us and they are from the lowest divisions,we should be honest at ourselves and hold our hands up and say we have a problem.



Even in the Non League,clubs beat us.

Instead we make excuses.

Two years running,we are in the bottom three for away support.




Out of curiosity who are the six London local derbies in our division? ?

Bang on Annis, there's no excuse it's just poor. It's something that needs to be looked at for sure.

Jack, I followed City away from the age of 7 till I was 51 years old, only due to moving abroad have I hardly gone.
I was very very proud of our away support till the last few years when I have seen it decline so rapidly its unbelievable.

Long journeys,shit football, meant nothing to us, thats just excuses.

Well the long journeys are still there for many games,but the football is amazing compared to years ago and Cardiff City have had 17 years of success on the field.

We have a serious problem and it needs addressing,but the same old names,make excuses and sweep it under the carpet.

The club needs to thinks seriously about it and what they can do to address it.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

Gareth, We always did but years ago we took far more away than what came to us, in fact three or four times.

Even little Brentford brought more to us,than us to them and as the years go by we are getting worse.

You said ours was going to be a lot higher this season,we have a problem.


We never sold out at Bristol C,Burton,Wolves,Brum Reading or QPR.

We sold out at one away ground Villa and never had the full allocation.


As to the Tuesday night thing, Bristol City went to Preston on the same night as us at Barnsley and took 150 more than us and they are near the bottom.

Carlisle,Plymouth,Rovers,Grimsby etc etc on 200 mile journeys on Tuesday nights tke 400 plus away fans.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

" CCFC WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? ? "

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' CARDIFF CITY THE LAST 17 YEARS '

AND NOW WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO LOOK FORWARD TOO


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Over the last 17 years for me on the pitch have been the most successful years Cardiff City have had in my 44 years of supporting the Mighty Bluebirds.

Promotion from Div 4

Promotion from Div 3

Championship Winners

Promotion to the the Top flight of football (Premier League) for the first time in 51 years.

A season in the Premier League playing and beating some of the best club teams in the World.

Play off finalists and semi final winners

Play off semi finalists twice

FA Cup Finalists

League Cup finalists

Heroic FA Cup win against Premier League leaders Leeds

Won the Algarve cup in Portugal


Four trips to Wembley,most clubs dream of just one trip.

Only one relegation in our last 17 years, never really struggling in the bottom half of the divisions we have been in.

A New 33,500 modern stadium

Hooligan problem gone.

Cheap family tickets/thousands upon thousands of free tickets.

Big money and big name signings

Cardiff City continue to sell cheap season tickets




YET our season ticket sales went down from 22,500 to 11,500?

Gates reached a high of 33,500 during the above years.

We were selling out nearly every away game in Div 3/ Div 4 and in the Premier League it did not matter if tickets were £55.
And yet now our away support the last two years is now one of the worst in all four divisions?

You support your football club during the good and bad times

SO WHAT REALLY WAS THE PROBLEM THAT OUR FANS HAVE LEFT IN THEIR THOUSANDS AS SUCCESS NEVER WENT AWAY ON THE PITCH?






" THE FUTURE "


NOW WE HAVE A BIG NAME MANAGER IN NEIL WARNOCK / WE HAVE A MANAGER WHO KNOWS NOTHING BUT SUCCESS / PROMOTIONS.

WE HAVE NEXT SEASON BEEN PROMISED A PROMOTION PUSH AGAIN CHEAP SEASON TICKETS

NEIL WARNOCK HAS BEEN PROMISED AT LEAST £6MILLION BY OUR CLUB

So surely and hopefully there's enough support in our catchment area of between 500,000 to one million people to pull 20,000 plus home crowds and away support al least 1,500 average next season

Neil Warnock has nothing but praise for City fans as he remembers the good olds of being on the opposite side and seeing our once great and passionate support.



I honestly can't wait for next season






" ONWARDS & UPWARDS "

I travel on supporters coach with my kid and yes our support has become shite and Vince makes a joke about it every game,says there will be one man his dog at this rate

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

About time some of us got real about this.

We lost most of our away hard core support over the rebrand. Like it or not that is the real reason. I can understand them lot staying away and hopefully they will return when Tan buggers off. However I've noticed those that mock them for staying away don't even bother going away anymore. Hopefully that lot will continue to stay away.

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I will be unpopular but truth sometimes is.
Before the Tan regime we were taking loads to away games. Now sadly the opposite is the case. First the fanbase was divided as our traditional colours and crest were changed (some never to return) and next three inadequate managers were appointed. Only in recent months, with the Warnock rule, have things slowly begun to improve. Will support again return to pre-Tan levels? Sure, like last time the plastics will come out of the woodwork should we get to the PL, but they, will be the first to leave again. For good support at an average Championship level I'd be surprised to see them with Tan at the helm.

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

About time some of us got real about this.

We lost most of our away hard core support over the rebrand. Like it or not that is the real reason. I can understand them lot staying away and hopefully they will return when Tan buggers off. However I've noticed those that mock them for staying away don't even bother going away anymore. Hopefully that lot will continue to stay away.

Spot on Ian and the Rebrand has hurt us more than the fans who were not bothered about us can realise, lost us many many diehards who have now got out of the routine of going to every away game.

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

About time some of us got real about this.

We lost most of our away hard core support over the rebrand. Like it or not that is the real reason. I can understand them lot staying away and hopefully they will return when Tan buggers off. However I've noticed those that mock them for staying away don't even bother going away anymore. Hopefully that lot will continue to stay away.

We took large numbers away in our promotion season and up to 3,000 to most away games in the Premier League. That statistic to me suggests it has nothing to do with the rebrand.... If it does , can someone explain the above ?

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

About time some of us got real about this.

We lost most of our away hard core support over the rebrand. Like it or not that is the real reason. I can understand them lot staying away and hopefully they will return when Tan buggers off. However I've noticed those that mock them for staying away don't even bother going away anymore. Hopefully that lot will continue to stay away.

We took large numbers away in our promotion season and up to 3,000 to most away games in the Premier League. That statistic to me suggests it has nothing to do with the rebrand.... If it does , can someone explain the above ?

Joff,

They were Mostly glory hunters,stopped the minute we went down, the Rebrand has hurt us more than the fans who were not bothered about us can realise, lost us many many diehards who have now got out of the routine of going to every away game
we only took 1,300 fans to our biggest away game in 50 years to get promotion to the Prem, 70% of the fans away at Man United etc I had never seen before and not seen since.

Bit surprised at qpr and Fulham having such low away support considering they have 5 or 6 local derbies !!! As I've stated before if city were in London we would not be 3rd bottom that's for sure.

Allan, Last season Bolton who were rock bottom beat us and this season little Rotherham who were rock bottom beat us, two years running we are the 3rd worst away supported club.

Away support is on the up with the majority of clubs and as I have said before when clubs like Carlisle,Grimsby,Bristol Rovers, Pompey,Bradford City, Plymouth,Doncaster etc etc all beat us and they are from the lowest divisions,we should be honest at ourselves and hold our hands up and say we have a problem.

Even in the Non League,clubs beat us.

Instead we make excuses.

Two years running,we are in the bottom three for away support.


Out of curiosity who are the six London local derbies in our division? ?

Sorry annis forgot it's all tans fault we got crap away support and nothing else ! !
Was counting reading and Brighton as london derbies ( making 5) as only short distance away ? Like said midland/Yorkshire clubs as well have such a huge advantage, but guess statistics tells it all. compare our fans going to individual clubs and their fans coming to ccs we take more than most clubs bring here! Personally comparing away support is totally flawed as it's only based on figures nothing else is taken into account like local derbies distorting figures.
P's whats supporting ccfc got to do with being a fan of any other club??

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Sad to see annis but maybe a reality check as some of the people on your forum think your a lot bigger club than you are

Bit surprised at qpr and Fulham having such low away support considering they have 5 or 6 local derbies !!! As I've stated before if city were in London we would not be 3rd bottom that's for sure.

Allan, Last season Bolton who were rock bottom beat us and this season little Rotherham who were rock bottom beat us, two years running we are the 3rd worst away supported club.

Away support is on the up with the majority of clubs and as I have said before when clubs like Carlisle,Grimsby,Bristol Rovers, Pompey,Bradford City, Plymouth,Doncaster etc etc all beat us and they are from the lowest divisions,we should be honest at ourselves and hold our hands up and say we have a problem.

Even in the Non League,clubs beat us.

Instead we make excuses.

Two years running,we are in the bottom three for away support.


Out of curiosity who are the six London local derbies in our division? ?

Sorry annis forgot it's all tans fault we got crap away support and nothing else ! !
Was counting reading and Brighton as london derbies ( making 5) as only short distance away ? Like said midland/Yorkshire clubs as well have such a huge advantage, but guess statistics tells it all. compare our fans going to individual clubs and their fans coming to ccs we take more than most clubs bring here! Personally comparing away support is totally flawed as it's only based on figures nothing else is taken into account like local derbies distorting figures.
P's whats supporting ccfc got to do with being a fan of any other club??

Allan, It is the Rebrands fault/Tan 100%

And its the Welsh media that put all this out today.

If we were in the top 6 away games, we would all want to talk about our away support other fans then, we use to take the piss out of other clubs away support as for fact we were one of the best outside the Prem once upon a time and very proud we were


The truth is there in black and white, 3rd worst away support,two years running and that hurts badly.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

About time some of us got real about this.

We lost most of our away hard core support over the rebrand. Like it or not that is the real reason. I can understand them lot staying away and hopefully they will return when Tan buggers off. However I've noticed those that mock them for staying away don't even bother going away anymore. Hopefully that lot will continue to stay away.

We took large numbers away in our promotion season and up to 3,000 to most away games in the Premier League. That statistic to me suggests it has nothing to do with the rebrand.... If it does , can someone explain the above ?

Joff,

They were Mostly glory hunters,stopped the minute we went down, the Rebrand has hurt us more than the fans who were not bothered about us can realise, lost us many many diehards who have now got out of the routine of going to every away game
we only took 1,300 fans to our biggest away game in 50 years to get promotion to the Prem, 70% of the fans away at Man United etc I had never seen before and not seen since.

Great point, I also think the "away day experience" has been ruined by the outdated security measures in place for away games. Designated pubs, Rendezvous Points, the fact that you have to be in the travel club to take coaches away, and the risk of indiscriminate banning orders being handed out for minor offences has put the casual away fan off from travelling away with Cardiff City.
Ticket prices are also very expensive An away game will cost me and my family up to £150 per away game. Frankly, that's money I can spend elsewhere (it's also half the cost of a season ticket)

I really wanted to visit 92 League clubs but ha e been stuck on 75 for two years. I don't think I ever will visit them all unless things change.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

same last year even with promoted clubs
boro ave 2500 but around 400 here
burnley 1900 but only around 800 here

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

About time some of us got real about this.

We lost most of our away hard core support over the rebrand. Like it or not that is the real reason. I can understand them lot staying away and hopefully they will return when Tan buggers off. However I've noticed those that mock them for staying away don't even bother going away anymore. Hopefully that lot will continue to stay away.

We took large numbers away in our promotion season and up to 3,000 to most away games in the Premier League. That statistic to me suggests it has nothing to do with the rebrand.... If it does , can someone explain the above ?

Joff,

They were Mostly glory hunters,stopped the minute we went down, the Rebrand has hurt us more than the fans who were not bothered about us can realise, lost us many many diehards who have now got out of the routine of going to every away game
we only took 1,300 fans to our biggest away game in 50 years to get promotion to the Prem, 70% of the fans away at Man United etc I had never seen before and not seen since.

Great point, I also think the "away day experience" has been ruined by the outdated security measures in place for away games. Designated pubs, Rendezvous Points, the fact that you have to be in the travel club to take coaches away, and the risk of indiscriminate banning orders being handed out for minor offences has put the casual away fan off from travelling away with Cardiff City.
Ticket prices are also very expensive An away game will cost me and my family up to £150 per away game. Frankly, that's money I can spend elsewhere (it's also half the cost of a season ticket)

I really wanted to visit 92 League clubs but ha e been stuck on 75 for two years. I don't think I ever will visit them all unless things change.

Joff, If you had seen the fans we had away at some Prem games, some wearing Welsh Rugby tops, walked in one pub, never knew one City fan.

As to expense totally agree,very expensive,but other clubs fans still pay it and even from poor areas like Carlisle and Grimsby., Barnsley and Rotherham.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

same last year even with promoted clubs
boro ave 2500 but around 400 here
burnley 1900 but only around 800 here

420 Boro fans came to us on a Tuesday night and were not even in top 8 at the time,we took 89 fans away to them, I was one of them.

Lets keep making excuses and try and hide the truth.

The fact is,we have lost our away support and it needs addressing ASAP.

Another fact in 2010

I went to Newcastle away on a Friday night with City,we took 3,500 away fans I was there


This season we took on a Saturday 3pm, pay on the day 840 away fans, most clubs took at least 2,500 there.






Going up to Prem

Burnley away in red/promotion to Prem last away game of the season, Biggest away game in 51 years, we took 1,300,pay on the day,our allocation 3,000. I was there

In 1988 we went to Burnley Div 4,promotion party, we took 2,500 away fans I was there

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The flirtation with, 'loadsamoney,' has cost us dearly. And Tan, like the plastics, can't be bothered to come to games. The harsh reality is that until a new fanbase, like the older one that followed City because of being City develops, then sadly we are in the situation we are in.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

It is also in Black and White that we take more to away grounds than other clubs bring to CCS. Where is the 'honesty' in ignoring that important point?

TBH honest Annis this obsession with blaming Tan for everything is becoming pathetic and rather boring,