' Our Away Support, some perspective '

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

Interesting that.

You've got clubs like Leeds, Villa, Newcastle & Sheffield Weds that have massive support and have always taken big numbers away, I'd say we're are a mid size Championship club & those numbers suggest so too.

Big clubs with a lot of their away games within easy travelling distance

CARDIFF CITY FULL FIXTURE LIST 2016-17 SEASON



Cardiff City fixtures 2016/17




Saturday 6 Aug 2016, 3pm - Birmingham City 0 Cardiff City 0 Crowd 19,833 Away( 1,803 ).

Thursday 11 Aug 2016 7.45pm Bristol Rover 1 Cardiff City 0 EFL Cup Crowd 4,851 Away ( 971 )

Sunday 14 Aug 2016, 3pm Cardiff City 0 Queens Park Rangers 2 Crowd 15,859 Away( 854)

Wednesday 17th Aug 2016 Cardiff City 2 Blackburn Rovers 1 Crowd 14,041 Away (222)

Saturday 20 Aug 2016, 3pm - Fulham 2 Cardiff City 2 Crowd 15,401 Away(1,082)

Saturday 27 Aug 2016, 3pm - Cardiff City 0 Reading 1 Crowd 15,013 Away(920)

Saturday 10 Sep 2016, 3pm - Norwich City 3 Cardiff City 2 Crowd 25,559 Away(302)

Tuesday 13 Sep 2016, 7:45pm - Preston North End 3 Cardiff City 0 Crowd Away (203)

Saturday 17 Sep 2016, 12.30pm Sky TV - Cardiff City 0 Leeds United 2 Crowd 16,608 Away (1,820)

Saturday 24 Sep 2016, 3pm - Rotherham United 1 Cardiff City 2 Crowd 8,395 Away(385)

27 Sep 2016, 7:45pm - Cardiff City 0 Derby County 2 Crowd Away(520)

1 Oct 2016, 3pm - Burton Albion 2 Cardiff City 0 Crowd 4,426 Away(1,210)

14 Oct 2016, 7.45pm - Cardiff City 2 Bristol City 1 Crowd 22,776 Away (2,083)

19 Oct 2016, 7:45pm - Cardiff City 1 Sheffield Wednesday 1 Crowd 15,887 Away( 1,126 )

22 Oct 2016,5.30pm - Nottingham Forest 1 Cardiff City 2 Crowd 16,539 Away( 364) Live on Sky

29 Oct 2016, 3pm - Cardiff City 0 Wigan Athletic 1 Crowd 15,969 Away( 302)

5 Nov 2016, 3pm - Newcastle United 2 Cardiff City 1 Crowd 51,257 Away(840)

19 Nov 2016, 3pm - Cardiff City 3 Huddersfield 2 Crowd 15,930 Away(700 )

26 Nov 2016, 3pm - Aston Villa 3 Cardiff City 1 Crowd 31,484 Away(2,419 )

3 Dec 2016, 3pm - Cardiff City 0 Brighton 0 Crowd 16,168 Away( 1,258 )

10 Dec 2016, 3pm - Ipswich Town 1 Cardiff City 1 Crowd 15,042 Away( 241 )

13 Dec 2016, 7:45pm - Cardiff City 2 Wolverhampton 1 Crowd 14,853 Away(702)

17 Dec 2016, 3pm - Cardiff City 3 Barnsley 4 Crowd 14,754 Away(510)

26 Dec 2016, 1pm - Brentford 2 Cardiff City 2 Crowd 11,045 Away(1,103)

2nd Jan 2017, 3pm - Cardiff City 1 Aston Villa 0 Crowd 21,153 Away( 3,358)

8th Jan 2017, 11.30am Cardiff City 1 Fulham 2 FACUP 3rd Rd Crowd 5,199 Away(710 )

14 Jan 2017, 12pm - Bristol City 2 Cardiff City 3 Crowd 19,452 Away (2,080)

21 Jan 2017, 3pm - Cardiff City 1 Burton Albion 0 Crowd 15,547 Away(410)

24 Jan 2017, 7.45pm Brighton 1 Cardiff City 0 Crowd 26,668 Away(408)

28 Jan 2017, 3pm - Reading 2 Cardiff City 1 Crowd18,558 Away(2,348)

31st Jan 2017 7.45pm Cardiff City 2 Preston 0 Crowd 13,894 Away(180)

4 Feb 2017, 3pm - Cardiff City 0 Norwich City 1 Crowd 15,901 Away (1,120 approx)

11 Feb 2017, 3pm - Leeds United Cardiff City Crowd Away( )

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

If our average away support this season so far is 1,050 and we can keep it that away thats a fantastic improvement after last seasons when we ended up 10th in the Championship and ours was only 748 average away attendances,which was 22nd out of 24 teams

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Said this last season but people only look at figures without looking at other factors! Play in London got several derbies Midlands got several derbies Yorkshire several as well also can travel easily between these areas on a Saturday by train you cannot do that from Cardiff as no return trains in eve! so potential for more fans travelling is greater in these areas hence we have below average following over season

Said this last season but people only look at figures without looking at other factors! Play in London got several derbies Midlands got several derbies Yorkshire several as well also can travel easily between these areas on a Saturday by train you cannot do that from Cardiff as no return trains in eve! so potential for more fans travelling is greater in these areas hence we have below average following over season

We are still missing the point Allan, our away support went down from an average of 3,000 to 748 fans 3rd worst in the Championship,yet we were 10th in the Championship.

Bolton took more to Ipswich last season than us and virtually the same distance yet they were rock bottom and at the time we were 9th.

We can try and make all excuses,the fact remains our away support had gone down hill badly,hopefully its now returning

Said this last season but people only look at figures without looking at other factors! Play in London got several derbies Midlands got several derbies Yorkshire several as well also can travel easily between these areas on a Saturday by train you cannot do that from Cardiff as no return trains in eve! so potential for more fans travelling is greater in these areas hence we have below average following over season

We are still missing the point Allan, our away support went down from an average of 3,000 to 748 fans 3rd worst in the Championship,yet we were 10th in the Championship.

Bolton took more to Ipswich last season than us and virtually the same distance yet they were rock bottom and at the time we were 9th.

We can try and make all excuses,the fact remains our away support had gone down hill badly,hopefully its now returning

You've missed point slightly! cost for city fans is far greater than 99% of other teams in league because of location of city, you swap city with say Burton and tell me city's away following wouldn't be higher than it is now? Basically the high cost of travelling away is main reason now.

Good post and a point I made before, I have to agree with Annis that our away support has declined but it's clear its recovering and will continue to recover and increase.

Most teams never travelled to Ninian and it's no different these days, logistics plays a huge part but also contributes massively to the home attendance. Reading is a prime example, £20 a sat 3pm ko they brought less than a thousand. Roles reversed and we are 19th in table and we took more than double yet you can guarantee reading will travel or have travelled well to the London clubs, Brighton and so on.

If you look at our following to sides within an hour and half it will tell you over 2,000 to Bristol and reading and good followings to villa and Birmingham. Have heard huge interest in QPR this season and we will travel well to wolves.

Good post and a point I made before, I have to agree with Annis that our away support has declined but it's clear its recovering and will continue to recover and increase.

Most teams never travelled to Ninian and it's no different these days, logistics plays a huge part but also contributes massively to the home attendance. Reading is a prime example, £20 a sat 3pm ko they brought less than a thousand. Roles reversed and we are 19th in table and we took more than double yet you can guarantee reading will travel or have travelled well to the London clubs, Brighton and so on.

If you look at our following to sides within an hour and half it will tell you over 2,000 to Bristol and reading and good followings to villa and Birmingham. Have heard huge interest in QPR this season and we will travel well to wolves.

For average fan living in Cardiff bet it costs around £180 a month just for one fan to watch city away! Add that to cost of home games and it's a reasonable amount out of someone's budget! Not hard to see reason for drop in support its not an excuse it's reality!

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

Could travel cost effect other teams the same as it does us if expensive for us to go away to say Burton, coming to city is same for them? As I've said there are lots of derbies for other teams to distort figures.

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

Could travel cost effect other teams the same as it does us if expensive for us to go away to say Burton, coming to city is same for them? As I've said there are lots of derbies for other teams to distort figures.

we are one of the clubs with the most travelling so its not a level playing field. but last seasons figures were awful. this year has seen a marked improvement and defo more younger fans travelling {at least at the 5 aways ive done}

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

Could travel cost effect other teams the same as it does us if expensive for us to go away to say Burton, coming to city is same for them? As I've said there are lots of derbies for other teams to distort figures.

we are one of the clubs with the most travelling so its not a level playing field. but last seasons figures were awful. this year has seen a marked improvement and defo more younger fans travelling {at least at the 5 aways ive done}

Yes they were but not surprising way city played ? NW as instilled good feel factor and that encourages the support! I don't go away as cost is prohibiting.

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

Could travel cost effect other teams the same as it does us if expensive for us to go away to say Burton, coming to city is same for them? As I've said there are lots of derbies for other teams to distort figures.

we are one of the clubs with the most travelling so its not a level playing field. but last seasons figures were awful. this year has seen a marked improvement and defo more younger fans travelling {at least at the 5 aways ive done}

Yes they were but not surprising way city played ? NW as instilled good feel factor and that encourages the support! I don't go away as cost is prohibiting.

travelling from pembroke home games are like away games

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

Could travel cost effect other teams the same as it does us if expensive for us to go away to say Burton, coming to city is same for them? As I've said there are lots of derbies for other teams to distort figures.

we are one of the clubs with the most travelling so its not a level playing field. but last seasons figures were awful. this year has seen a marked improvement and defo more younger fans travelling {at least at the 5 aways ive done}

Yes they were but not surprising way city played ? NW as instilled good feel factor and that encourages the support! I don't go away as cost is prohibiting.

travelling from pembroke home games are like away games

Yes around 3hrs for me in St Davids! and it's around 5hrs just to brum

Said this last season but people only look at figures without looking at other factors! Play in London got several derbies Midlands got several derbies Yorkshire several as well also can travel easily between these areas on a Saturday by train you cannot do that from Cardiff as no return trains in eve! so potential for more fans travelling is greater in these areas hence we have below average following over season

We are still missing the point Allan, our away support went down from an average of 3,000 to 748 fans 3rd worst in the Championship,yet we were 10th in the Championship.

Bolton took more to Ipswich last season than us and virtually the same distance yet they were rock bottom and at the time we were 9th.

We can try and make all excuses,the fact remains our away support had gone down hill badly,hopefully its now returning

You've missed point slightly! cost for city fans is far greater than 99% of other teams in league because of location of city, you swap city with say Burton and tell me city's away following wouldn't be higher than it is now? Basically the high cost of travelling away is main reason now.

Allan, ok how about Plymouth fans ,Grimsby, Pompey, Ipswich fans etc they have long journeys as well and some shit football and I believe their away support average is above ours ?

And how come years ago we had one of the best AWAY followings in all the lower divisions?

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

Could travel cost effect other teams the same as it does us if expensive for us to go away to say Burton, coming to city is same for them? As I've said there are lots of derbies for other teams to distort figures.

Without a doubt Allen, if you look at the example you have given Burton Albion they have about 8-9 Clubs within an hour and a half away, same goes for all the Midlands and Yorkshire Clubs, it goes without saying when these Clubs have all these games virtually on their doorstep a 2 and a half hour trip to Cardiff is not going to be on the agenda whilst a game 2 and a half hours away for us is considered as relatively close.

It's for this reason that the 'Average away attendance table' is flawed as we will always be at the bottom end of the scale due to location no matter what.

Look at this season, Brighton were 2nd in the League and brought 1,200 here, if we were in their position and took that people would be saying it was shit, Huddersfield were 3rd and brought 700 yet they will piss all over us on an average as they take thousands to places like Wigan, Barnsley, Leeds, Rotherham, Sheffield, Preston, Blackburn, Rotherham etc etc etc as they are on their doorstep.

Reading brought 900 here with cheap tickets at the start of the season yet some people think its poor that we only took 2300 to them, in our situation I think it was bloody fantastic. Some people will tell you that Reading are a small club, well they are a small club who have had better support than us over the last 16 years so if they are a small club I have no idea what that makes us as they are averaging 20,708 at home over the last 16 years whilst we have managed 18,513.

' Our Away Support, some perspective '

It is often said that other teams away followings are progressing whilst ours are on the wane which is true in part but does not actually paint the entire picture.

This season we have played 17 home games. In those 17 games only 5 teams have brought over 1,000 fans to the Cardiff City Stadium. Aston Villa, Bristol City, Brighton, Norwich and Sheffield Wednesday.

In comparison we have only played 15 away games this season but have taken over 1,000 fans on 7 separate occasions already.

The average away following at the Cardiff City Stadium this season so far is 986.

Cardiff City's average away following at other clubs so far this season is 1050.

This shows that on average we are taking more fans to other grounds than they bring to us which to me says that our Away support is absolutely fine.

The average away support League Table that often get's portrayed as a 'point scoring' method is in no way a fair reflection on a Clubs away support as it does no truly reflect all the considerations that should be taken into account.

Thoughts?

tbh ive always judged clubs away suport as you have here ,how many they fetch down to us.but having compared the lge table Annis has put up with how many those same clubs brought to the CCS. i thiink i was previously wrong. just because other clubs fans dont fancy a trip to south wales shouldnt detract from the fact that they go pretty much everywhere else.
only 3 clubs brought more than their ave to Cardiff.brum ,charlton and reading.the other 20 brought less in some cases {weds
,burnley,leeds derby } over a thousand less than ave. boro 2k less than ave. and preston, brighton about 50% of ave.
bit shocked tbh. it seems Cardiff is still a bit of a no go area for some.

Could travel cost effect other teams the same as it does us if expensive for us to go away to say Burton, coming to city is same for them? As I've said there are lots of derbies for other teams to distort figures.

Without a doubt Allen, if you look at the example you have given Burton Albion they have about 8-9 Clubs within an hour and a half away, same goes for all the Midlands and Yorkshire Clubs, it goes without saying when these Clubs have all these games virtually on their doorstep a 2 and a half hour trip to Cardiff is not going to be on the agenda whilst a game 2 and a half hours away for us is considered as relatively close.

It's for this reason that the 'Average away attendance table' is flawed as we will always be at the bottom end of the scale due to location no matter what.

Look at this season, Brighton were 2nd in the League and brought 1,200 here, if we were in their position and took that people would be saying it was shit, Huddersfield were 3rd and brought 700 yet they will piss all over us on an average as they take thousands to places like Wigan, Barnsley, Leeds, Rotherham, Sheffield, Preston, Blackburn, Rotherham etc etc etc as they are on their doorstep.

Reading brought 900 here with cheap tickets at the start of the season yet some people think its poor that we only took 2300 to them, in our situation I think it was bloody fantastic. Some people will tell you that Reading are a small club, well they are a small club who have had better support than us over the last 16 years so if they are a small club I have no idea what that makes us as they are averaging 20,708 at home over the last 16 years whilst we have managed 18,513.

There is no doubt our support as waned away last couple of years but just using figures is simplistic!! Reading I think are bit like us been at top end of champs for years so keeping general support high we are both average size clubs with potential given right circumstances.

not sure where you got that Reading ave from, but they have only managed a 20k plus average 4 times ever.

not sure where you got that Reading ave from, but they have only managed a 20k plus average 4 times ever.

My bad, its the last 20 years not 16.

Correct figures are Reading 16,566.45 and Cardiff 14,810.

Apologies for that

Said this last season but people only look at figures without looking at other factors! Play in London got several derbies Midlands got several derbies Yorkshire several as well also can travel easily between these areas on a Saturday by train you cannot do that from Cardiff as no return trains in eve! so potential for more fans travelling is greater in these areas hence we have below average following over season

We are still missing the point Allan, our away support went down from an average of 3,000 to 748 fans 3rd worst in the Championship,yet we were 10th in the Championship.

Bolton took more to Ipswich last season than us and virtually the same distance yet they were rock bottom and at the time we were 9th.

We can try and make all excuses,the fact remains our away support had gone down hill badly,hopefully its now returning

You've missed point slightly! cost for city fans is far greater than 99% of other teams in league because of location of city, you swap city with say Burton and tell me city's away following wouldn't be higher than it is now? Basically the high cost of travelling away is main reason now.

Allan, ok how about Plymouth fans ,Grimsby, Pompey, Ipswich fans etc they have long journeys as well and some shit football and I believe their away support average is above ours ?

And how come years ago we had one of the best AWAY followings in all the lower divisions?

I did say 99% of teams in OUR league? And years ago circumstances were comp different so cannot compare. Like I said and you didn't answer put us in Burtons place we would not be 21st on list? but anyway won't argue with you as it's pointless!

not sure where you got that Reading ave from, but they have only managed a 20k plus average 4 times ever.

My bad, its the last 20 years not 16.

Correct figures are Reading 16,566.45 and Cardiff 14,810.

Apologies for that

depends where you draw the line last 7 years ours is bigger. all time ours is bigger.
their all time biggest crowd of 23 k. is an attendance that litterally wouldnt make our top 400 attendances.

my own thoughts on this long term are that our away following going back to the early 70s was mostly boys/ skins / casuals /hooligans . straight heads didnt travel because of the trouble. and lots of oppo fans didnt come here for same reason .we were late comers to the family friendly football of now. couple this with a definate crack down on our fans {bans} when all those finals were agreed to be played at mil stad which continued and included the Chelsea stitch up and you get less travelling.
our fan base is changing but its taking time. its also taking time for travelling fans to realise Cardiff is a safe enviroment.

It also boosts clubs home attendances when a club is in a central location villa for example easy for thousands of away fans to get there without travelling far.having said that Birmingham are a poorly supported club.

It also boosts clubs home attendances when a club is in a central location villa for example easy for thousands of away fans to get there without travelling far.having said that Birmingham are a poorly supported club.

correct mate. if every club had brought their average away suport to us last year attendances would have been a thousand higher.

Our away support has diminished in numbers as well as heart and spirit, which is no great surprise given the way that supporters felt following the re-brand, I can say from an exile perspective that the London based support fell off a cliff following Tans rebrand. Before that the valley rams, which had done a great job in building a co-ordinated and highly organised away travel club, disbanded, leaving the majority of away fans to sort their own travel arrangements out. A number of high profile away trip organisers have walked away from the club, or at least not involved any longer.
However, in saying that, RV Casual is correct in pointing out, that City supporters are unfairly compared with clubs in this division who have numerous away days within an hour of their homes. This season, away from home you can see the numbers growing and the heart returning to that support, helped by the return to blue and badge and the introduction of a manager who has passion. I have noticed many more youngsters this season, which is heartening to see.

Our away support has diminished in numbers as well as heart and spirit, which is no great surprise given the way that supporters felt following the re-brand, I can say from an exile perspective that the London based support fell off a cliff following Tans rebrand. Before that the valley rams, which had done a great job in building a co-ordinated and highly organised away travel club, disbanded, leaving the majority of away fans to sort their own travel arrangements out. A number of high profile away trip organisers have walked away from the club, or at least not involved any longer.
However, in saying that, RV Casual is correct in pointing out, that City supporters are unfairly compared with clubs in this division who have numerous away days within an hour of their homes. This season, away from home you can see the numbers growing and the heart returning to that support, helped by the return to blue and badge and the introduction of a manager who has passion. I have noticed many more youngsters this season, which is heartening to see.

Good post mate, you are correct, the fall of the Rams and our exiles not seemingly so interested anymore has also had an effect.

Our away support has diminished in numbers as well as heart and spirit, which is no great surprise given the way that supporters felt following the re-brand, I can say from an exile perspective that the London based support fell off a cliff following Tans rebrand. Before that the valley rams, which had done a great job in building a co-ordinated and highly organised away travel club, disbanded, leaving the majority of away fans to sort their own travel arrangements out. A number of high profile away trip organisers have walked away from the club, or at least not involved any longer.
However, in saying that, RV Casual is correct in pointing out, that City supporters are unfairly compared with clubs in this division who have numerous away days within an hour of their homes. This season, away from home you can see the numbers growing and the heart returning to that support, helped by the return to blue and badge and the introduction of a manager who has passion. I have noticed many more youngsters this season, which is heartening to see.

Good post mate, you are correct, the fall of the Rams and our exiles not seemingly so interested anymore has also had an effect.

If you read what Leystone has said, he has said exactly what I have said the last 3years, Tan and Rebrand killed our passion and killed our AWAY support, yet many in here disagree with it when I've said it, but you've just totally agreed with what I have said for years.

Our away support has diminished in numbers as well as heart and spirit, which is no great surprise given the way that supporters felt following the re-brand, I can say from an exile perspective that the London based support fell off a cliff following Tans rebrand. Before that the valley rams, which had done a great job in building a co-ordinated and highly organised away travel club, disbanded, leaving the majority of away fans to sort their own travel arrangements out. A number of high profile away trip organisers have walked away from the club, or at least not involved any longer.
However, in saying that, RV Casual is correct in pointing out, that City supporters are unfairly compared with clubs in this division who have numerous away days within an hour of their homes. This season, away from home you can see the numbers growing and the heart returning to that support, helped by the return to blue and badge and the introduction of a manager who has passion. I have noticed many more youngsters this season, which is heartening to see.

Good post mate, you are correct, the fall of the Rams and our exiles not seemingly so interested anymore has also had an effect.

If you read what Leystone has said, he has said exactly what I have said the last 3years, Tan and Rebrand killed our passion and killed our AWAY support, yet many in here disagree with it when I've said it, but you've just totally agreed with what I have said for years.

Annis I have never disagreed that the rebrand didnt have an effect on our away support but I dont agree it is the defining factor.

Our away support was struggling long before that. Carling Cup Semi Final Away Leg at Palace, everything good, in Blue, didnt get anywhere near selling out our allocation, thats just one example anf the Rams disbanding had nothing to do with Tan either.