' Brexit Strategy '

While I supported remain now the decision is made I am not moaning like many remainers, just getting on with things and keeping an eye on the strategy.

However, as most on this board were leavers how do you feel about the proposed public vote to see if YOU agree with the Brexit plan?

It is sad that our politicians didn't have a draft plan before the vote but regardless of that if you felt the plan was not in the best interest of the country would you welcome a vote? or would you just accept whatever shit is served up because it ultimately gets us out of Europe?

Don't like it at all.

I voted to leave and what I'm seeing is what I feared before the referendum. I feared we would have a relationship like Norway has which basically is a very soft Brexit. I can't recall the agreement name Norway has, something like ECA, but it basically allows Norway to trade with Europe on the codition free movement is allowed.

I will be disappointed if we end up with something like that.

I voted to leave and we should leave the single market and the eu totally,not a watered down leave , the rest of the world seem to be trading freely in fact the single market is the worst performing Tarde block.no more pussy footing around just leave we don't legally have to invoke Article 50 we can repel the act and leave and go to wto rules straight away which we should until a trade deal is agreed

I voted leave if there was an option to vote on a brexit strategy I would prefer the public to vote on it than politicians.

In my opinion British politicians are out of touch with the people they represent.

I voted leave if there was an option to vote on a brexit strategy I would prefer the public to vote on it than politicians.

In my opinion British politicians are out of touch with the people they represent.

Totally agree,politicians are getting to engrossed in the single market and forgetting that people want there sovereignty back

While I supported remain now the decision is made I am not moaning like many remainers, just getting on with things and keeping an eye on the strategy.

However, as most on this board were leavers how do you feel about the proposed public vote to see if YOU agree with the Brexit plan?

It is sad that our politicians didn't have a draft plan before the vote but regardless of that if you felt the plan was not in the best interest of the country would you welcome a vote? or would you just accept whatever shit is served up because it ultimately gets us out of Europe?

Actually I sort of agree that I would want a vote on the terms of the BREXIT. Probably not because of the inference in your question i.e. that the economy will meltdown etc. (heard it all before ) but because I would want to ensure that BREXIT meant BREXIT and we exited the single market and it's disastrous freedom of movement requirements.

This country cannot sustain a growth in population at the present rate, basically a City the size of Coventry every year. We have to get a grip on the numbers and start training our own people to do jobs instead of bringing in cheap ready made versions from overseas.

The other day I heard someone moaning on TV that there was not enough Curry chefs and we needed more from India/Pakistan etc.! For Christ sake are they really saying that those positions can't be filled from the sizable Indian/Pakistani population's already here?

It is this nonsense that we have to start getting a grip on and start looking after those already here rather than importing more social disruption at unmanageable rates.

The country was split down the middle, one side narrowly won, but they did win.Most MP's groomed in the bureaucratic self serving nature of politics believe in more government so were on the side of remaining. Those MP's after losing the vote then invented something called "soft Brexit" its an anachronism, fair if voted for in the referendum, but it was n't an option or even discussed. Its part of the bargaining stage of the 5 stages of grief.

We trigger Article 50 to leave the European Union and then negotiate terms for future engagements. I can't see how we can sign up for anything that comes into place after the leave date without a vote in parliament or another referendum.

Cameron f**cked up big style. The cat has been firmly been let out the bag and it will never go back, so they'll be no back door deals without repercussions for those MP's who don't listen to the voters.

The country was split down the middle, one side narrowly won, but they did win.Most MP's groomed in the bureaucratic self serving nature of politics believe in more government so were on the side of remaining. Those MP's after losing the vote then invented something called "soft Brexit" its an anachronism, fair if voted for in the referendum, but it was n't an option or even discussed. Its part of the bargaining stage of the 5 stages of grief.

We trigger Article 50 to leave the European Union and then negotiate terms for future engagements. I can't see how we can sign up for anything that comes into place after the leave date without a vote in parliament or another referendum.

Cameron f**cked up big style. The cat has been firmly been let out the bag and it will never go back, so they'll be no back door deals without repercussions for those MP's who don't listen to the voters.

I think they need to complete in same year of vote, otherwise there will be thousands of new legal voters that may have another opinion. By the time Brexit goes through it may not be the desire of the majority of the country any more, in fact it probably isn't even now. I have no doubt if the referendum was held again then the result would be reversed, and convincingly at that.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-vo ... ry-2016-10

Excellent responses.

I think we should have been presented with a strategy before we voted.

The failure is down to that chump Cameron who was so arrogant he assumed the remain vote victory was a formality.What serious politician would offer the populace such a vote without failing to prepare for a strategy for leave? He is the worst PM ever to occupy number 10 a complete buffoon, very good at the smiling and charming after all he was in PR for years but as for a leader he could not organize a beano to the coast!!I too voted out but assumed the government would have had some kind of contingency plan !!!! f*cking idiot! Anyhow Europe is starting to creak with elections in Germany, France and Holland next year watch this space...oh and the Italian banks are on the precipice another Greek style bail out looms. Europa meine Europa !!

While I supported remain now the decision is made I am not moaning like many remainers, just getting on with things and keeping an eye on the strategy.

However, as most on this board were leavers how do you feel about the proposed public vote to see if YOU agree with the Brexit plan?

It is sad that our politicians didn't have a draft plan before the vote but regardless of that if you felt the plan was not in the best interest of the country would you welcome a vote? or would you just accept whatever shit is served up because it ultimately gets us out of Europe?

I voted to leave and for me Brexit should mean Brexit and the sooner we get on with it the better.

I hate all this bollocks about Hard / Soft Brexit let's just get out and let WTO guidelines dictate the basis on how we trade with EU countries. A nice 10% trade tariff on imports from the EU block together with the £15B savings on EU contributions will go a long way to sorting out the UK budget deficit.

lovely jubbly.

We needed to give ourselves some thinking time due to Camerons insistence of no plans being made and luckily Theresa May has made it.

I am quite happy with the progress in all honesty. The three Brexiteers are good lead men, a bit like opening batsmen in cricket. Their job is to wear down the opposition, their belligerence and beliefs will soon piss off a pretty weakened EU zone.

Unfettered free movement of Goods, capital and services both ways with only a small contribution to the EU to aid the administration of that. Not in customs union.
Free movement of people to travel & live here, but they would require work permits ranging from life to three months depending on skill set. All EU citizens who lived here before the referendum to be offered UK citizenship. Benefits,Schools & Health only to citizens or work permits, Health insurance required for those who neither are citizens or have valid work permits.


That's my perfect deal

While I supported remain now the decision is made I am not moaning like many remainers, just getting on with things and keeping an eye on the strategy.

However, as most on this board were leavers how do you feel about the proposed public vote to see if YOU agree with the Brexit plan?

It is sad that our politicians didn't have a draft plan before the vote but regardless of that if you felt the plan was not in the best interest of the country would you welcome a vote? or would you just accept whatever shit is served up because it ultimately gets us out of Europe?

I voted to leave and for me Brexit should mean Brexit and the sooner we get on with it the better.

I hate all this bollocks about Hard / Soft Brexit let's just get out and let WTO guidelines dictate the basis on how we trade with EU countries. A nice 10% trade tariff on imports from the EU block together with the £15B savings on EU contributions will go a long way to sorting out the UK budget deficit.

lovely jubbly.

i wonder if Scotland had voted independence there would be all this nonsense with spanish hairdressers winning court cases.....soft brexit wtf

The country was split down the middle, one side narrowly won, but they did win.Most MP's groomed in the bureaucratic self serving nature of politics believe in more government so were on the side of remaining. Those MP's after losing the vote then invented something called "soft Brexit" its an anachronism, fair if voted for in the referendum, but it was n't an option or even discussed. Its part of the bargaining stage of the 5 stages of grief.

We trigger Article 50 to leave the European Union and then negotiate terms for future engagements. I can't see how we can sign up for anything that comes into place after the leave date without a vote in parliament or another referendum.

Cameron f**cked up big style. The cat has been firmly been let out the bag and it will never go back, so they'll be no back door deals without repercussions for those MP's who don't listen to the voters.

I think they need to complete in same year of vote, otherwise there will be thousands of new legal voters that may have another opinion. By the time Brexit goes through it may not be the desire of the majority of the country any more, in fact it probably isn't even now. I have no doubt if the referendum was held again then the result would be reversed, and convincingly at that.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-vo ... ry-2016-10

lol. i love thos B/S articles written by people that got it massively wrong in the 1st place.
if anything this fannying around with a democratic vote will make those that voted out more resolute and id imagine anyone that voted to remain who has one democratic bone choose democracy over spin and twisting.

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there aare many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

what about the remainers who have changed there minds ? You are failing to mention that since the vote,Ukraine have been handed visa free travel also the setting up of the eu army still waiting for the emergency budget and the recession?

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

yes the implications lol
so far all ive seen is a bunch of pple with uni degrees in origami and the like spouting off how the thickos didnt understand, now they do understand ,they will change their minds.
im sure there are remain voters out there that realise their future votes {on whatever} might also be considered thicko votes. i cant think of a better reason to change your vote.
to ensure democracy wins

Everyone's guna f*cking complain anyway. f**k all is guna change.

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 80361.html

These and many, many more alike.

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 80361.html

These and many, many more alike.

Lol "one voter known as Adam" seriously your using that article as a reference??

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 80361.html

These and many, many more alike.

Lol "one voter known as Adam" seriously your using that article as a reference??

London paper too lol

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 80361.html

These and many, many more alike.

Lol "one voter known as Adam" seriously your using that article as a reference??

Did you want me to name everyone personally then? I think if you genuinelly believe there are not swathes of people who voted out that now regret - then you are deluded. Twitter was a wash with hundreds of these people. Hence they were given a whole new pigeon hole - Bregretters or Regrexiters...




''More than a million ‘Brexiters’ have become Regrexiters now they have seen the political and economic fallout, according to a poll carried out by Survation.

In total, 7% of those surveyed said they wished they had not voted for Britain to leave the European Union – equal to around 1,130,000 people.

The final result showed 1.27 million more people were in favour of Leave.

So if all the Regretters had voted differently, they would have swung the vote for Remain.''

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 80361.html

These and many, many more alike.

Lol "one voter known as Adam" seriously your using that article as a reference??

Did you want me to name everyone personally then? I think if you genuinelly believe there are not swathes of people who voted out that now regret - then you are deluded. Twitter was a wash with hundreds of these people. Hence they were given a whole new pigeon hole - Bregretters

So know remainers have changed their minds ? I personally know a few ,eu army is the biggest concern

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 80361.html

These and many, many more alike.

Lol "one voter known as Adam" seriously your using that article as a reference??

Did you want me to name everyone personally then? I think if you genuinelly believe there are not swathes of people who voted out that now regret - then you are deluded. Twitter was a wash with hundreds of these people. Hence they were given a whole new pigeon hole - Bregretters

So know remainers have changed their minds ? I personally know a few ,eu army is the biggest concern

No, but I am sure by definition there is some. But it is clear if we had a vote of people who changed their minds either way the result would be overwhelming. (By the way, I didnt even vote as had no opinion either way. Still dont).

But that is the point isn't it. It may reinforce those that voted out to feel even stronger about it, but they still only get 1 vote. Undoubtedly there are many that voted out that didnt realise the implications and now regret it - which is the important point. I dont really see a case for those who voted in that would now vote out. There would undoubtedly be a different result if another referendum was announced.

Who are these people who have changed their minds I don't know any, I've seen none in the media. The only people claiming this are remoaners.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 80361.html

These and many, many more alike.

Lol "one voter known as Adam" seriously your using that article as a reference??

Did you want me to name everyone personally then? I think if you genuinelly believe there are not swathes of people who voted out that now regret - then you are deluded. Twitter was a wash with hundreds of these people. Hence they were given a whole new pigeon hole - Bregretters or Regrexiters...




''More than a million ‘Brexiters’ have become Regrexiters now they have seen the political and economic fallout, according to a poll carried out by Survation.

In total, 7% of those surveyed said they wished they had not voted for Britain to leave the European Union – equal to around 1,130,000 people.

The final result showed 1.27 million more people were in favour of Leave.

So if all the Regretters had voted differently, they would have swung the vote for Remain.''

You say I'm deluded you use a local London rag naming people by only their first name, then go onto use a survey/poll......do you forget the surveys and polls got the brexit vote horribly wrong, remember in America how the surveys and polls showed Clinton to win.

How do they prove the people they surveyed did actually vote out? How do they know they are not actually asking a remoaner who's just stirring the shit up? They can't.

You say I'm deluded you use a local London rag naming people by only their first name, then go onto use a survey/poll......do you forget the surveys and polls got the brexit vote horribly wrong, remember in America how the surveys and polls showed Clinton to win.

How do they prove the people they surveyed did actually vote out? How do they know they are not actually asking a renowned who's just stirring the shit up? They can't.

So how would you like me to show you then? It may be easier if you tell me. Polls of voters and first hand accounts don't seem to be enough, not to mention obvious common sense.

You say I'm deluded you use a local London rag naming people by only their first name, then go onto use a survey/poll......do you forget the surveys and polls got the brexit vote horribly wrong, remember in America how the surveys and polls showed Clinton to win.

How do they prove the people they surveyed did actually vote out? How do they know they are not actually asking a renowned who's just stirring the shit up? They can't.

So how would you like me to show you then? It may be easier if you tell me. Polls of voters and first hand accounts don't seem to be enough, not to mention obvious common sense.

What would common sense have to do with it? Because I questioned your proof I'm someway lacking in common sense? Let's be honest here you can't prove it. These polls have been proven to be miles off the mark.
Your first hand accounts from "Adam" and "Diane" are tosh.

Give it up you lost the vote stop crying accept it and move on or you'll make yourself ill.

Not sure why you're all arguing with Roathy on an entirely hypothetical event.

The UK government will sign article 50 because of the vote on 23rd June 2016.

News, fake news, comments and opinions are all blurred into facts nowadays.

Its been a while since I've seen old Roathy using so many multi's. I've counted at least 4. He must be very lonely as the only way he can get any conversation is on a message board and even then its with himself. Christmas dinner for one. Again.