Fascists' trying to undermine Brexit

Blair, Major et al, are all acting like fascists and are treading on very dangerous ground indeed.

Make no mistake about it, Brexiteers and even many people who voted remain, will not allow these clowns, or for that matter any other anti-democratic fascist group or groups - deny the will of the majority.

Some of my friends voted remain and during the run up to the referendum it was quite heated at times, what with our different opinions. But even they have accepted the referendum result and are now fully behind Brexit. If the vote was again, I'm 95% sure they would now vote leave - one of them an ex-marketing director for a major PLC Bank - supports Trump! That was a surprise to me I can tell you.

I have no doubt whatsoever that we will achieve Brexit 100% and the harder the better - especially that we now have a pro-UK US President elect. Britain has a bright future!

My only wish now would be to kick out all the deadbeats in Westminster and the Lords and start all over again. We need patriotic and positive MP's who believe in their country, and at present there cannot be much more than a couple of hundred in both houses.

Anyway rant over.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I take it you voted to remain then

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I don't know what part of the result you don't understand?? The result was final - Brexit was the decision of the majority - thats how democracy works.

As for the remainers being entitled to representation - NO. The deal was In or OUT - not halfway in or halfway out - it was OUT!

Remain lost and the Leave won! It doesn't matter even if it was 50.1% voted leave - its irrelevant!

I stand by the view that politicians who are calling for a rerun - Fascists!!! They are dangerous people who are anti-democratic!

Don't worry, I understand there are also people out there who believe the same and once again in my opinion these people are also fascists! Accept the will of the majority or piss off!!!

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

Not true at all.

Out of all of those that were allowed to vote only 35% voted to remain and 37% voted to leave leaving 28% abstaining.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

Not true at all.

Out of all of those that were allowed to vote only 35% voted to remain and 37% voted to leave leaving 28% abstaining.

That's interesting. Even closer than the 52/48% split then. I wonder what might influence the outing of the 28% as this drama unfolds!

Brexit hasn't happened yet. I suppose we'll see who won the argument in a few years.

I don't think the politicians even understand the implications of what will happen. (I will try and take a neutral stance on this)
Paragraph 3 of Article 50 states
"The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State" The implications of this are incredible, take aviation for instance. The EU negotiates on our behalf therefore all aviation agreements that were negotiated by the EU (ECAA) will therefore cease to apply,this means there will be no flight agreement between the UK and countries like the US. Therefore during these times the UK must renegotiate the agreement with these countries. However how can you operate flights without agreements? Basically worst situation our flights get grounded. The same applies for trade, our WTO membership will cease to apply. We can not just automatically join WTO, we have to negotiate with 165 countries and that takes years. It took Afghanistan 12 years. However how can you trade without any trade deals?
This is where the transitional deal comes in, but that will be down to the EU and not us. And in my opinion it's unlikely
It's also worth noting article 50 is only a withdrawal agreement , paragraph 2 states
"setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union."
Note" taking into account" This means if we want a trade deal with Europe or join the EEA then we must be out first.
The EU trade commisonar said this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9R1fUqG5is
For me it's very confusing. And I think article 50 was designed not to be invoked.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I take it you voted to remain then

Yes I did but it doesn't follow I don't accept the result because for what it is I do.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I don't know what part of the result you don't understand?? The result was final - Brexit was the decision of the majority - thats how democracy works.Tell me then how something that was only advisory(The referendum)is binding in law.I understand the result for what it is but could you tell me honestly if the result had gone the other way you would have accepted it without comment.

As for the remainers being entitled to representation - NO. The deal was In or OUT - not halfway in or halfway out - it was OUT!So at the next election your saying nomatter who wins theres no point having another election ever again.

Remain lost and the Leave won! It doesn't matter even if it was 50.1% voted leave - its irrelevant!In the context of that vote I agree but It doesn't mean people can't disagree and lawfully try to change/influence to the contrary.

I stand by the view that politicians who are calling for a rerun - Fascists!!! They are dangerous people who are anti-democratic!This is your silliest statement-they are infact exercising their democratic right.

Don't worry, I understand there are also people out there who believe the same and once again in my opinion these people are also fascists! Accept the will of the majority or piss off!!!

Only works like that in your world.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

Not true at all.

Out of all of those that were allowed to vote only 35% voted to remain and 37% voted to leave leaving 28% abstaining.

That's interesting. Even closer than the 52/48% split then. I wonder what might influence the outing of the 28% as this drama unfolds!

Ah HalfbakedAlaska,welcome back.Pedantic as ever I see,grown any pubes yet.

The point is correct - he who should be in prison, still doesnt realise we voted to get rid of the likes of him.

Sneggy - enlighten us on what the Tory exit strategists dont have a clue about. Specifics please.

Before you reply, bear in mind that WTO trade negotiations are required to be kept secret until finally agreed.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

Not true at all.

Out of all of those that were allowed to vote only 35% voted to remain and 37% voted to leave leaving 28% abstaining.

That's interesting. Even closer than the 52/48% split then. I wonder what might influence the outing of the 28% as this drama unfolds!

Yes it makes it very interesting.

The 28% are mostly made up of under 35%. About 60% of them did not vote. They are the generation that are accusing the older generation of denying them a future. Well if they had bothered to get off their backsides they would have got there way. Anyway it is because of this fact that a number of MP's will vote against Brexit as they feel a rerun now of the referendum will provide a landslide win for the Remain group. They could be right but the risk the remain MPs could face is that the British public have a history of voting for what was decided in the first place regardless of its opinion. It is called respecting democrazy.

I always think of a General Election in the pass where the Liberal candidate Mark Oaton won by 2 votes ousting Gerry Malone of the Conservatives. A few weeks later is was discovered some of the voting slips were damaged and should have not been counted. There was a rerun of the seat and Mark Oaten won by 20,000. Strange how things work out.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

Not true at all.

Out of all of those that were allowed to vote only 35% voted to remain and 37% voted to leave leaving 28% abstaining.

That's interesting. Even closer than the 52/48% split then. I wonder what might influence the outing of the 28% as this drama unfolds!

Yes it makes it very interesting.

The 28% are mostly made up of under 35%. About 60% of them did not vote. They are the generation that are accusing the older generation of denying them a future. Well if they had bothered to get off their backsides they would have got there way. Anyway it is because of this fact that a number of MP's will vote against Brexit as they feel a rerun now of the referendum will provide a landslide win for the Remain group. They could be right but the risk the remain MPs could face is that the British public have a history of voting for what was decided in the first place regardless of its opinion. It is called respecting democrazy.

I always think of a General Election in the pass where the Liberal candidate Mark Oaton won by 2 votes ousting Gerry Malone of the Conservatives. A few weeks later is was discovered some of the voting slips were damaged and should have not been counted. There was a rerun of the seat and Mark Oaten won by 20,000. Strange how things work out.

I wasn't aware of that. I agree it's strange how things work out. I'm gonna Google it now to educate myself

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I don't know what part of the result you don't understand?? The result was final - Brexit was the decision of the majority - thats how democracy works.Tell me then how something that was only advisory(The referendum)is binding in law.I understand the result for what it is but could you tell me honestly if the result had gone the other way you would have accepted it without comment.

As for the remainers being entitled to representation - NO. The deal was In or OUT - not halfway in or halfway out - it was OUT!So at the next election your saying nomatter who wins theres no point having another election ever again.

Remain lost and the Leave won! It doesn't matter even if it was 50.1% voted leave - its irrelevant!In the context of that vote I agree but It doesn't mean people can't disagree and lawfully try to change/influence to the contrary.

I stand by the view that politicians who are calling for a rerun - Fascists!!! They are dangerous people who are anti-democratic!This is your silliest statement-they are infact exercising their democratic right.

Don't worry, I understand there are also people out there who believe the same and once again in my opinion these people are also fascists! Accept the will of the majority or piss off!!!

Only works like that in your world.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that the referendum was purely advisory. It has no force in law.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I don't know what part of the result you don't understand?? The result was final - Brexit was the decision of the majority - thats how democracy works.Tell me then how something that was only advisory(The referendum)is binding in law.I understand the result for what it is but could you tell me honestly if the result had gone the other way you would have accepted it without comment.

As for the remainers being entitled to representation - NO. The deal was In or OUT - not halfway in or halfway out - it was OUT!So at the next election your saying nomatter who wins theres no point having another election ever again.

Remain lost and the Leave won! It doesn't matter even if it was 50.1% voted leave - its irrelevant!In the context of that vote I agree but It doesn't mean people can't disagree and lawfully try to change/influence to the contrary.

I stand by the view that politicians who are calling for a rerun - Fascists!!! They are dangerous people who are anti-democratic!This is your silliest statement-they are infact exercising their democratic right.

Don't worry, I understand there are also people out there who believe the same and once again in my opinion these people are also fascists! Accept the will of the majority or piss off!!!

Only works like that in your world.

I'm not going to even bother answering your petty crap above. Your arguments are 100% floored! A vote was cast and we had a result - END OF!

One thing is for sure, our Snowflake generation cannot accept anything that goes against what they want. Well pal, the world is about to change for the better, with Donald Trump as President. Brexit and Marie Le Pen will be the next French President. Holland will go to Geet Wilders Freedom Party. Austria is going to the right. Italy, and more. The EU is collapsing before our very eyes, and all those deluded Snowflakes both here in the UK, throughout Europe and the US cannot cope.

'The days of liberal non-democracy are coming to an end'
Victor Orban
Hungarian Prime Minister

REJOICE!!!

The true fascists in this country are the ones that call themselves the anti-fascists.

The point is correct - he who should be in prison, still doesnt realise we voted to get rid of the likes of him.

Sneggy - enlighten us on what the Tory exit strategists dont have a clue about. Specifics please.

Before you reply, bear in mind that WTO trade negotiations are required to be kept secret until finally agreed.

Whether to go for hard or soft exit.Your comment re-WTO is puzzling given that they are not involved yet.

WTO Director-General Roberto Azevedo delivers a speech at the World Trade Symposium conference in the Royal Garden Hotel in London on June 2016.


"As far as the WTO is concerned, we don't come into the picture until those two have decided what the commitments they will have with the other WTO members will be and with each other. Until then, when they come to the WTO and say, 'this is my new list of commitments'…at that point in time we then step in."

Blair, Major et al, are all acting like fascists and are treading on very dangerous ground indeed.

Make no mistake about it, Brexiteers and even many people who voted remain, will not allow these clowns, or for that matter any other anti-democratic fascist group or groups - deny the will of the majority.

Some of my friends voted remain and during the run up to the referendum it was quite heated at times, what with our different opinions. But even they have accepted the referendum result and are now fully behind Brexit. If the vote was again, I'm 95% sure they would now vote leave - one of them an ex-marketing director for a major PLC Bank - supports Trump! That was a surprise to me I can tell you.

I have no doubt whatsoever that we will achieve Brexit 100% and the harder the better - especially that we now have a pro-UK US President elect. Britain has a bright future!

My only wish now would be to kick out all the deadbeats in Westminster and the Lords and start all over again. We need patriotic and positive MP's who believe in their country, and at present there cannot be much more than a couple of hundred in both houses.

Anyway rant over.

It's all facist just allowing a select group of people to vote and not all. To give a true guide to what the majority really want not just this select majority you talk of.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I don't know what part of the result you don't understand?? The result was final - Brexit was the decision of the majority - thats how democracy works.Tell me then how something that was only advisory(The referendum)is binding in law.I understand the result for what it is but could you tell me honestly if the result had gone the other way you would have accepted it without comment.

As for the remainers being entitled to representation - NO. The deal was In or OUT - not halfway in or halfway out - it was OUT!So at the next election your saying nomatter who wins theres no point having another election ever again.

Remain lost and the Leave won! It doesn't matter even if it was 50.1% voted leave - its irrelevant!In the context of that vote I agree but It doesn't mean people can't disagree and lawfully try to change/influence to the contrary.

I stand by the view that politicians who are calling for a rerun - Fascists!!! They are dangerous people who are anti-democratic!This is your silliest statement-they are infact exercising their democratic right.

Don't worry, I understand there are also people out there who believe the same and once again in my opinion these people are also fascists! Accept the will of the majority or piss off!!!

Only works like that in your world.

I'm not going to even bother answering your petty crap above. Your arguments are 100% floored! A vote was cast and we had a result - END OF!

One thing is for sure, our Snowflake generation cannot accept anything that goes against what they want. Well pal, the world is about to change for the better, with Donald Trump as President. Brexit and Marie Le Pen will be the next French President. Holland will go to Geet Wilders Freedom Party. Austria is going to the right. Italy, and more. The EU is collapsing before our very eyes, and all those deluded Snowflakes both here in the UK, throughout Europe and the US cannot cope.

'The days of liberal non-democracy are coming to an end'
Victor Orban
Hungarian Prime Minister

REJOICE!!!

The true fascists in this country are the ones that call themselves the anti-fascists.

Fair Play a magnificent copout on your part.Can't be bothered my arse.More like just CAN'T .

I remember last time there was a Brexit thread you fucked off after a hissy-fit

You need someone to sit you down and explain the word facists.

The majority of Britain voted out ,Doesn't matter by how small a margin.If we don't leave then we may as well scrap the voting system all together.Lets be like North Korea

The majority of Britain voted out ,Doesn't matter by how small a margin.If we don't leave then we may as well scrap the voting system all together.Lets be like North Korea

Look,Brexit won the day and I accept that and I hope the Tories have got the bollocks to do the right thing and get the best possible deal for us.Its just that gimp Gaz calling everyone that doesn't agree with his point of view a fascist when actually if you read his post he's probably the most overt fascist on this board.Obviously this lad is in dire need of a dictionary.

Wouldn't be so bad if he could rationally argue his position but alas he can't.

The majority of Britain voted out ,Doesn't matter by how small a margin.If we don't leave then we may as well scrap the voting system all together.Lets be like North Korea

Look,Brexit won the day and I accept that and I hope the Tories have got the bollocks to do the right thing and get the best possible deal for us.Its just that gimp Gaz calling everyone that doesn't agree with his point of view a fascist when actually if you read his post he's probably the most overt fascist on this board.Obviously this lad is in dire need of a dictionary.

Wouldn't be so bad if he could rationally argue his position but alas he can't.

Fair enough

sneggy, lets be honest mate. if britain had voted to stay would we have even heard of you? nope, just another one of the loony left, politically correct, open door for any perv or thief to come here plum. guess you think its fine that our own judges cant deport scum from OUR country in case they upset europe. hey-ho the people have voted and guess what???? "WE" have voted to leave. shut the f**k up and get over it knob!!!

sneggy, lets be honest mate. if britain had voted to stay would we have even heard of you? nope, just another one of the loony left, politically correct, open door for any perv or thief to come here plum. guess you think its fine that our own judges cant deport scum from OUR country in case they upset europe. hey-ho the people have voted and guess what???? "WE" have voted to leave. shut the f**k up and get over it knob!!!

Just how much of this thread have you read?

Did you write this on your own or did your mate Gav put you up to it.

The majority of Britain voted out ,Doesn't matter by how small a margin.If we don't leave then we may as well scrap the voting system all together.Lets be like North Korea

The majority of Britain didn't vote out.
But the majority of voters did. There's a difference. Parliament is the to represent the whole of britains interest. So over to the MPs that were democratically voted in to represent us.

The majority of Britain voted out ,Doesn't matter by how small a margin.If we don't leave then we may as well scrap the voting system all together.Lets be like North Korea

The majority of Britain didn't vote out.
But the majority of voters did. There's a difference. Parliament is the to represent the whole of britains interest. So over to the MPs that were democratically voted in to represent us.

As mentioned above 37% voted out with 28% abstaining. However the vote out won the day but here is the surprise. The legal vote belongs to those that represent us and they are the MP's.

It is a bit like this but there are only approximately 50 MPs who votes out in the referendum, 1 UKIP and the rest tories. If autonomy was allowed for Parliment to vote then wave goodbye to BRexit. That's not the case though and we the public will know how they vote. It is going to be very interesting time.

"""I have no doubt whatsoever that we will achieve Brexit 100% and the harder the better - especially that we now have a pro-UK US President elect. Britain has a bright future! """

Trump is a loose cannon and can change on a whim, as he has already demonstrated since winning the vote.

You must remember that 48% voted to remain,not an insignificant number,and these people are entitled to representation.I don't think this subject is done and dusted by a long chalk.The Tory exit strategists have no clue what to do to get the best deal and the longer this goes on the more difficult its gonna get.And calling these people fascists just because you don't agree with their opinions adds no weight to your argument at all.

I don't know what part of the result you don't understand?? The result was final - Brexit was the decision of the majority - thats how democracy works.Tell me then how something that was only advisory(The referendum)is binding in law.I understand the result for what it is but could you tell me honestly if the result had gone the other way you would have accepted it without comment.

As for the remainers being entitled to representation - NO. The deal was In or OUT - not halfway in or halfway out - it was OUT!So at the next election your saying nomatter who wins theres no point having another election ever again.


Remain lost and the Leave won! It doesn't matter even if it was 50.1% voted leave - its irrelevant!In the context of that vote I agree but It doesn't mean people can't disagree and lawfully try to change/influence to the contrary.

I stand by the view that politicians who are calling for a rerun - Fascists!!! They are dangerous people who are anti-democratic!This is your silliest statement-they are infact exercising their democratic right.

Don't worry, I understand there are also people out there who believe the same and once again in my opinion these people are also fascists! Accept the will of the majority or piss off!!!

Only works like that in your world.

I'm not going to even bother answering your petty crap above. Your arguments are 100% floored! A vote was cast and we had a result - END OF!

One thing is for sure, our Snowflake generation cannot accept anything that goes against what they want. Well pal, the world is about to change for the better, with Donald Trump as President. Brexit and Marie Le Pen will be the next French President. Holland will go to Geet Wilders Freedom Party. Austria is going to the right. Italy, and more. The EU is collapsing before our very eyes, and all those deluded Snowflakes both here in the UK, throughout Europe and the US cannot cope.

'The days of liberal non-democracy are coming to an end'
Victor Orban
Hungarian Prime Minister

REJOICE!!!

The true fascists in this country are the ones that call themselves the anti-fascists.

Fair Play a magnificent copout on your part.Can't be bothered my arse.More like just CAN'T .

I remember last time there was a Brexit thread you fucked off after a hissy-fit

You need someone to sit you down and explain the word facists.

Listen up, I'm not copping out or having a hissy fit as you so put it.

In this country we had a referendum and David Cameron resigned having lost. It wasn't a trial referendum , nor a test, it was final In or Out.

We have in this country a word called democracy and there are many who don't seem to understand that word nor its meaning.

The deluded views of Blair and others who want to overturn Brexit is dangerous, anti-democratic and if this type of thing was happening in Africa or elsewhere - we'd all be calling them dictators and fascists. A few statements below which I'm sure you will find of interest.

The EU is the only legislature in the world, except North Korea, that still makes laws in secret.
British Conservative MEPs' open letter to the EU, 2005

We will put it to the British people in a referendum.
Labour Party, General Election Manifesto, 2005

Ratification must be subject to a referendum of the British people.
Liberal Democrat Party, General Election Manifesto, 2005

There is no question of any constitutional treaty going through without the express consent of the British people ... Regardless of how other members vote, we will have a referendum on the subject.
Tony Blair, UK Prime Minister, 2004

The referendum should go ahead in any event. Of course it should.
Tony Blair, UK Prime Minister, 2004

We need an EU referendum ... Nothing will do more damage to the pro-European movement than giving room to the suspicion that we have something to hide, that we do not have the "cojones" to carry our argument to the people.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat MEP, 2003

The majority of Britain voted out ,Doesn't matter by how small a margin.If we don't leave then we may as well scrap the voting system all together.Lets be like North Korea

Look,Brexit won the day and I accept that and I hope the Tories have got the bollocks to do the right thing and get the best possible deal for us.Its just that gimp Gaz calling everyone that doesn't agree with his point of view a fascist when actually if you read his post he's probably the most overt fascist on this board.Obviously this lad is in dire need of a dictionary.

Wouldn't be so bad if he could rationally argue his position but alas he can't.

Gimp and fascist - I'd like to see you call that to my face pal For the record, I didn't state everyone who didn't have the same opinion as myself a fascist either. I simply believe in democracy and its plain to see that your view of democracy is a long way off from mine.

Marketing campaigns were all wrong. Hit the idiots hard and shut down all roads funded by EU. These cretins wouldn't be able to make it to dole office to collect cheques then. Just a start. Sooner we fukin wise up and retract the better