Should Admin take down the Ayatollah Icon?

The debate on Jazz Richards has shown a rather large segment believing the is outdated. One poster even going as far as suggesting it also 'divides communities.' With this in mind, I was wondering if Admin should take down the ayatollah if it has become so divisive to the supporter base.

Perhaps like me, you think it's a unique and passionate ode to the wonderful club they grew up supporting?

Keep the but stop asking the players to it every 5 minutes as it is a distraction.

Keep the but stop asking the players to it every 5 minutes as it is a distraction.

Spot on. It is something for the fans to do, not the players

This is just plain stupid.

Keep the but stop asking the players to it every 5 minutes as it is a distraction.

Agreed.

We should stop it just incase it causes offence to Swansea fans.

Dividing communities? biggest over reaction of the decade. How the hell can it divide a community. Does the swim away also divide communities ?

Dividing communities? biggest over reaction of the decade. How the hell can it divide a community. Does the swim away also divide communities ?

the actual quote is 'i'm sure the ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans.' When I read this and another about muslim players may be offended by the Cardiff ayatollah chant/ritual, I had no other option than to consider if Tan was knowingly being Islamophobic when the new stand was erected with the tribute

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

I've got a feeling Bluebird58, the poster who has put this madness out there is having a laugh. What is true though, is that a huge majority did not feel it necessary to correct him and were more interested in apologising for Jazz Richards. As long as he plays well I don't give a f*ck etc

Why ? Because of some Jack. No way

Why ? Because of some Jack. No way

I hope Jazz comes to his senses, I also think he purposely did not respond to the fans who made the request. Does this matter? Well look at the interest in it, the Jazz Richards sticky is more than 18k, it obviously matters! I can't remember a sticky as popular as that in a while.

Why ? Because of some Jack. No way

I hope Jazz comes to his senses, I also think he purposely did not respond to the fans who made the request. Does this matter? Well look at the interest in it, the Jazz Richards sticky is more than 16k, it obviously matters! I can't remember a sticky as popular as that in a while.

Totally agree

No!

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

I've got a feeling Bluebird58, the poster who has put this madness out there is having a laugh. What is true though, is that a huge majority did not feel it necessary to correct him and were more interested in apologising for Jazz Richards. As long as he plays well I don't give a f*ck etc

Bluebird58 said we should let it die and that it might offend Muslims. Speechless.

Reading some of the comments about the ayatollah on here over the past few days has reminded me why our fan base rolled over during the rebrand. There's clearly a huge proportion of fans that couldn't give a f**k about our identity as a club.

No by f**k hasn't this been blown out of proportion.

Dividing communities? biggest over reaction of the decade. How the hell can it divide a community. Does the swim away also divide communities ?

the actual quote is 'i'm sure the ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans.' When I read this and another about muslim players may be offended by the Cardiff ayatollah chant/ritual, I had no other option than to consider if Tan was knowingly being Islamophobic when the new stand was erected with the tribute

Ohh dear I couldn't give a rats arse if it offends the over sensative lovies

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

I've got a feeling Bluebird58, the poster who has put this madness out there is having a laugh. What is true though, is that a huge majority did not feel it necessary to correct him and were more interested in apologising for Jazz Richards. As long as he plays well I don't give a f*ck etc

Bluebird58 said we should let it die and that it might offend Muslims. Speechless.

Reading some of the comments about the ayatollah on here over the past few days has reminded me why our fan base rolled over during the rebrand. There's clearly a huge proportion of fans that couldn't give a f**k about our identity as a club.

Well said Nubbsy, some pretty mental comments on here. I've heard it all, prob the favourite (and most mainstream) commentary is of how childish the fanbase is 'grow up ffs'

We all of a sudden not suppose to not care, all the great philosophers on here don't go as far as suggesting the whole concept of avid support for a football club could be exactly everything branded on fans who got the hump with Jazz Richards.

Spending thousands of pounds on a club (and a huge % of annual salary), logical, childish, irrational? Sticking up for players not wanting to get involved with the fans, what is that exactly??

I think this issue should be put to bed now, I hope Jazz has a change of heart. I leave the irrationality to the other posters all too quick to make ridiculous links to 'swim'away' being similar to 'ayatollah' in nature. (I must add nobody cares about swim away, let them have their fun) Total madness and god knows if Bluebird58 was serious or not. I bloody hope not

Dividing communities? biggest over reaction of the decade. How the hell can it divide a community. Does the swim away also divide communities ?

the actual quote is 'i'm sure the ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans.' When I read this and another about muslim players may be offended by the Cardiff ayatollah chant/ritual, I had no other option than to consider if Tan was knowingly being Islamophobic when the new stand was erected with the tribute

Ohh dear I couldn't give a rats arse if it offends the over sensative lovies

Correct Nukes, fans have gone soft, Jazz Richards and his like have never had it so easy. Asking him to Ayatollah on first match as a JB is as welcoming as it gets

This is just plain stupid.

aint it just.


i came here this morning to read peoples thoughts on the game and im still looking

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

I've got a feeling Bluebird58, the poster who has put this madness out there is having a laugh. What is true though, is that a huge majority did not feel it necessary to correct him and were more interested in apologising for Jazz Richards. As long as he plays well I don't give a f*ck etc

Bluebird58 said we should let it die and that it might offend Muslims. Speechless.

Reading some of the comments about the ayatollah on here over the past few days has reminded me why our fan base rolled over during the rebrand. There's clearly a huge proportion of fans that couldn't give a f**k about our identity as a club.

Without getting into the old rebrand thing again it is a perfectly reasonable argument to state we (Cardiff City) came out of the whole saga as winners because we did a job on VT due to the fact we got the £100m+ and still play in blue

Taking a rational view (see above) is far more productive than using a confrontational blunt edged attitude. I can see no benefit in hounding Jazz Richards over the especially if he is playing well on the pitch.

If getting players to do the is so important to the supporters why not ask players who are happy to do it rather than pressurising a player who has obvious reservations about doing it?

Given time I'm sure Jazz Richards will do the not because he was bullied into doing it, but because he wants to do it due to developing an attachment to the club. In other words give the boy a break and stop acting like a playground bully

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

I've got a feeling Bluebird58, the poster who has put this madness out there is having a laugh. What is true though, is that a huge majority did not feel it necessary to correct him and were more interested in apologising for Jazz Richards. As long as he plays well I don't give a f*ck etc

Bluebird58 said we should let it die and that it might offend Muslims. Speechless.

Reading some of the comments about the ayatollah on here over the past few days has reminded me why our fan base rolled over during the rebrand. There's clearly a huge proportion of fans that couldn't give a f**k about our identity as a club.

Well said Nubbsy, some pretty mental comments on here. I've heard it all, prob the favourite (and most mainstream) commentary is of how childish the fanbase is 'grow up ffs'

We all of a sudden not suppose to not care, all the great philosophers on here don't go as far as suggesting the whole concept of avid support for a football club could be exactly everything branded on fans who got the hump with Jazz Richards.

Spending thousands of pounds on a club (and a huge % of annual salary), logical, childish, irrational? Sticking up for players not wanting to get involved with the fans, what is that exactly??

I think this issue should be put to bed now, I hope Jazz has a change of heart. I leave the irrationality to the other posters all too quick to make ridiculous links to 'swim'away' being similar to 'ayatollah' in nature. (I must add nobody cares about swim away, let them have their fun) Total madness and god knows if Bluebird58 was serious or not. I bloody hope not

Nobody is asking anyone 'not to care' all I'm asking is have some thought about your actions. It is plainly obvious that Jazz Richards may have some reservations about doing the after all he is from Swansea.

Give the boy some space allow him to produce his best form which will be to the benefit of the team. At this point those requests are simply setting him up to fail and for the life of me I can't see how that benefits anyone.

I would rather him get to a point where he feels comfortable doing the out of his own willingness rather than being bullied into do so.

That will happen if we play fair with him and eventually that will benefit everyone and not just a few looking for this weeks scapegoat.

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

I've got a feeling Bluebird58, the poster who has put this madness out there is having a laugh. What is true though, is that a huge majority did not feel it necessary to correct him and were more interested in apologising for Jazz Richards. As long as he plays well I don't give a f*ck etc

Bluebird58 said we should let it die and that it might offend Muslims. Speechless.

Reading some of the comments about the ayatollah on here over the past few days has reminded me why our fan base rolled over during the rebrand. There's clearly a huge proportion of fans that couldn't give a f**k about our identity as a club.

Well said Nubbsy, some pretty mental comments on here. I've heard it all, prob the favourite (and most mainstream) commentary is of how childish the fanbase is 'grow up ffs'

We all of a sudden not suppose to not care, all the great philosophers on here don't go as far as suggesting the whole concept of avid support for a football club could be exactly everything branded on fans who got the hump with Jazz Richards.

Spending thousands of pounds on a club (and a huge % of annual salary), logical, childish, irrational? Sticking up for players not wanting to get involved with the fans, what is that exactly??

I think this issue should be put to bed now, I hope Jazz has a change of heart. I leave the irrationality to the other posters all too quick to make ridiculous links to 'swim'away' being similar to 'ayatollah' in nature. (I must add nobody cares about swim away, let them have their fun) Total madness and god knows if Bluebird58 was serious or not. I bloody hope not

Nobody is asking anyone 'not to care' all I'm asking is have some thought about your actions. It is plainly obvious that Jazz Richards may have some reservations about doing the after all he is from Swansea.

Give the boy some space allow him to produce his best form which will be to the benefit of the team. At this point those requests are simply setting him up to fail and for the life of me I can't see how that benefits anyone.

I would rather him get to a point where he feels comfortable doing the out of his own willingness rather than being bullied into do so.

That will happen if we play fair with him and eventually that will benefit everyone and not just a few looking for this weeks scapegoat.

Tony, I always respect you're posts and are an excellent person to debate with Perhaps there is logic to that, it was never a burning ambition of his to play for Cardiff it seems being a Jack.

Maybe the fans were way to quick to request the ayatollah, in a warped way the old hostilities were a good healthy thing, Andy Legg earned the respect. However, my stance is that head slapping is not difficult and Jazz is not looking to appease the fans(which he should imo)

my stance is that head slapping is not difficult and Jazz is not looking to appease the fans(which he should imo)

By the same token giving Jazz Richards time to settle is not difficult either

my stance is that head slapping is not difficult and Jazz is not looking to appease the fans(which he should imo)

By the same token giving Jazz Richards time to settle is not difficult either

I conceded to you that asking a Jack to ayatollah on first match prob did not happen for other prev JB's. Did not happen for Andy Legg or Jason Bowen? (anyone confirm this would be great)

The fans are pressing for him to acknowledge them (rightly or wrongly), I don't see ayatollah as such a sacrifice or being disrespectful to his prev club if i'm honest.

Why would it offend anyone?

What an idiotic post shall we get rid of the digging icon Aswell we don't see that at matches anymore either?

What an idiotic post shall we get rid of the digging icon Aswell we don't see that at matches anymore either?

Make a thread poll creation and find out

Why would Swansea fans be offended , it's unlikely it'll be seen again for a few years unless theres a few draw for Cup games

I've got a feeling Bluebird58, the poster who has put this madness out there is having a laugh. What is true though, is that a huge majority did not feel it necessary to correct him and were more interested in apologising for Jazz Richards. As long as he plays well I don't give a f*ck etc

Bluebird58 said we should let it die and that it might offend Muslims. Speechless.

Reading some of the comments about the ayatollah on here over the past few days has reminded me why our fan base rolled over during the rebrand. There's clearly a huge proportion of fans that couldn't give a f**k about our identity as a club.

Without getting into the old rebrand thing again it is a perfectly reasonable argument to state we (Cardiff City) came out of the whole saga as winners because we did a job on VT due to the fact we got the £100m+ and still play in blue

Taking a rational view (see above) is far more productive than using a confrontational blunt edged attitude. I can see no benefit in hounding Jazz Richards over the especially if he is playing well on the pitch.

If getting players to do the is so important to the supporters why not ask players who are happy to do it rather than pressurising a player who has obvious reservations about doing it?

Given time I'm sure Jazz Richards will do the not because he was bullied into doing it, but because he wants to do it due to developing an attachment to the club. In other words give the boy a break and stop acting like a playground bully

Tony, I have never hurled abuse at a city player, it's not something I do and I'm sure Jazz will come to his senses on Sunday.

I believe IF he genuinely is refusing to do it, he is the immature one and not the fans that have felt let down by his shun.

However, that wasn't my point. My point was my shock at the way our fans have been demeaning and disrespecting our identity yet again, mocking the ayatollah and many saying it should be left to die. This is whats left a foul taste in my mouth.

What an idiotic post shall we get rid of the digging icon Aswell we don't see that at matches anymore either?

Make a thread poll creation and find out