Coleman Tactically Inept or lost to a far better team?

I've never been a fan of coleman and have been slatted on here and social media for my views. To me he is a lucky manager who got us through qualifying because we have 3 real quality players (Ashley Williams, Ramsey and Bale). At club level he was shocking.

On Saturday v Slovakia we were good in first half but as soon as the Slovakians made a change we were on back foot and we struggled. They equalised and were better team until HRK's late goal.

Todays game was similar. First half there wasn't a lot between teams. Second half Woy changed tactics and we were battered for 45 minutes. What did Coleman do? He stood there like a young Russell Slade and took ages to change things. We desperately needed someone up front to hold the ball up. Vokes could have done that.

Maybe i'm being harsh and England were far superior but I genuinely believe that after taking the lead we should have got a point from this.

Didn't get the Jonny Williams sub, Vokes would have been the natural sub for me as we couldn't get out of our half.

England have better players apart from Rambo, Williams and of course Bale.

i just think it was heart vs quality today, keep bale quiet and you win the game and that's what they did, Rambo always turns back onto his right foot, so they stopped him. I can understand Williams on instead of vokes, and Williams can run at teams and vokes is just a poacher, the problem with Williams was, he didn't run behind the defence, he just stood there, which makes it easier to defend against. we need to ensure we don't lose to Russia now, because if results go against us, and for example if we "lose 2-0 to Russia and Slovakia lose 1-0" we finish bottom and go home,

Why should we have taken a point? If a quality player comes in and takes a point how can that be disqualified from counting for anything? Im sure no Welsh fan considered disqualifying Bales Goal because the keeper should have saved it did they?

Why should we have taken a point? If a quality player comes in and takes a point how can that be disqualified from counting for anything? Im sure no Welsh fan considered disqualifying Bales Goal because the keeper should have saved it did they?

My personal opinion is that we should have changed things around just after half time. England were relentless. Would have been better going 4-5-1 (take either Davies or Taylor off) and flooding midfield to try and get more possession and put vokes up top to hold ball up and allow Bale the chance to come into game.

We lost to a better team. Could never see us getting out of this group, but at least we are there and showing we can just about compete at this level. It is the usual problem for us, a couple of quality players but mostly players who are distinctly average but who are prepared to work hard to try to make up for their lack of quality. Can't fault their effort.

Think tactics help with players at your disposal so can't really slate him when he came within seconds of a draw against a far superior team on paper. Look at subs brought on by hodgson ( tactically does he have same options hmmmm ) I think we rode our luck done our best but best team won.
Hasten to add for some strange reason I always find England raise their game and play with passion against us. Question now is can they maintain standards raised against us or will they slack off like usual?
I personally think this result is a blessing in disguise if we beat Russia as England will get carried away with the wave of hope of winning tournament. Rant over

Simply England had the quality in the positions needed, but will say their defence is not that good and will be found out.

Thought it was a bit like the last few games with Mark Hughes. Play for the point. Personally I think it sends the wrong message to the players. Best team won, but with moe adventure from us who knows what could have happened.

Of course we lost to a better team. The only player who would get into England's team is Bale with Ramsey probably in the squad. I personally don't rate Williams as a top Prem player and I don't think we can apportion any blame to Coleman.

I'm an English Bluebird. England were the better team today and deserved the three points.

Now I want England to get at least a point against Slovakia. I also want us English stand with our Welsh brothers and support you all the way to get three points from the Russians (and turn them over in the process).

I hate the recent violence, its terrible and unacceptable. But it was heartening to see England and Wales fans stand side by side. Now we need to do that again by supporting Wales on the pitch and send the Russians packing back home.

Hopefully England and Wales will meet up again in the knockout stages of the tournament (hopefully the final on the optimistic side!)

Good luck Wales.

England have strength in depth that we just can't match. Brave performance by the lads but we couldn't keep the ball and a sucker punch at the end as we should have stopped Rashford before he got to the box.

Gutted but it's in our own hands to qualify ....Hodgson and England were a minute away from a slaughtering by the media ... And so on to Toulouse ...last 16 is still on!

We lost and I can't argue with that, the only thing I would have done in hindsight is try a 3rd sub in James Collins in injury time. Just to try and kill it! But we have given it a good go and England found us very difficult to beat!

I've never been a fan of coleman and have been slatted on here and social media for my views. To me he is a lucky manager who got us through qualifying because we have 3 real quality players (Ashley Williams, Ramsey and Bale). At club level he was shocking.

On Saturday v Slovakia we were good in first half but as soon as the Slovakians made a change we were on back foot and we struggled. They equalised and were better team until HRK's late goal.

Todays game was similar. First half there wasn't a lot between teams. Second half Woy changed tactics and we were battered for 45 minutes. What did Coleman do? He stood there like a young Russell Slade and took ages to change things. We desperately needed someone up front to hold the ball up. Vokes could have done that.

Maybe i'm being harsh and England were far superior but I genuinely believe that after taking the lead we should have got a point from this.

It is a myth that he was shocking at club level. In fact, he has a very good record indeed.

Lets also not forget that the all the previous managers have had the "luck" to manage such stars as the likes of Bale, Ramsey, Williams, Giggs, Hughes, Rush, Hartson, Bellamy, Speed, Southall the list is extensive - yet NONE of them managed to get us to a major competition. Not one.

We lost to a last minute goal by a team who are a mainstay as top 5 favourites going into major competitions. I think it is pretty sad that people start looking for blame after every defeat, regardless of the manner or opposition. Have some perspective. We are in a cracking position to get to the last 16 of a major competition for Gods sake after Colemans subs masterminded the only British opening win at the European Championships in the modern era.

Get a grip.

England were far the better team.What I cannot fathom is a so called International manager who will not look at the opposition and deduce that pace would screw them. Vardi worried me when I looked at England's starting line up I thought where is he????
Shame we could not hang on.

My selfish worry is that Trollope was involved in us sitting back and not defending on the front foot
Just like Cardiff did all of last season
I really hope this is not what is ahead of Cardiff city next season

I've never been a fan of coleman and have been slatted on here and social media for my views. To me he is a lucky manager who got us through qualifying because we have 3 real quality players (Ashley Williams, Ramsey and Bale). At club level he was shocking.

On Saturday v Slovakia we were good in first half but as soon as the Slovakians made a change we were on back foot and we struggled. They equalised and were better team until HRK's late goal.

Todays game was similar. First half there wasn't a lot between teams. Second half Woy changed tactics and we were battered for 45 minutes. What did Coleman do? He stood there like a young Russell Slade and took ages to change things. We desperately needed someone up front to hold the ball up. Vokes could have done that.

Maybe i'm being harsh and England were far superior but I genuinely believe that after taking the lead we should have got a point from this.

Without being too personal I think you're just looking for someone to kick after Wales lost and need to take your disappointment out on someone.If any manager was lucky it was Woy who's half time substitutions although ultimately working smacked slightly of desperation and was a last roll of the dice.We are down but not out but I believe the "pointyfingeryourfault" ship sailed when we qualified for the finals.

I've never been a fan of coleman and have been slatted on here and social media for my views. To me he is a lucky manager who got us through qualifying because we have 3 real quality players (Ashley Williams, Ramsey and Bale). At club level he was shocking.

On Saturday v Slovakia we were good in first half but as soon as the Slovakians made a change we were on back foot and we struggled. They equalised and were better team until HRK's late goal.

Todays game was similar. First half there wasn't a lot between teams. Second half Woy changed tactics and we were battered for 45 minutes. What did Coleman do? He stood there like a young Russell Slade and took ages to change things. We desperately needed someone up front to hold the ball up. Vokes could have done that.

Maybe i'm being harsh and England were far superior but I genuinely believe that after taking the lead we should have got a point from this.

Without being too personal I think you're just looking for someone to kick after Wales lost and need to take your disappointment out on someone.If any manager was lucky it was Woy who's half time substitutions although ultimately working smacked slightly of desperation and was a last roll of the dice.We are down but not out but I believe the "pointyfingeryourfault" ship sailed when we qualified for the finals.

Woy might have been lucky but he changed things and England got what they deserved (last minute always hurts). Coleman needs a plan B in the same way Slade needed one last season.

Today Taylor was tormented by Walker. I rate Taylor quite highly but he was on his own. Surely coleman should have done something to change it. Why not go 4-5-1 and have a defensive midfielder on left hand side to support Taylor?

How exactly were we meant to press higher up the pitch? Ledley and Allen are being forced to play without being fully fit - I was disappointed that we couldn't press higher up but you have to consider the reasons. We were very close to getting a result without even playing well... Hopefully we learn something from this game... The fans now need to push the boys over the line against Russia - We owe the bastards big time

Woy might have been lucky but he changed things and England got what they deserved (last minute always hurts). Coleman needs a plan B in the same way Slade needed one last season.

Today Taylor was tormented by Walker. I rate Taylor quite highly but he was on his own. Surely coleman should have done something to change it. Why not go 4-5-1 and have a defensive midfielder on left hand side to support Taylor?

A plan B is something used when plan A is no longer working. Plan A was working perfectly fine until they scored a scrappy winner in the 92nd minute. He is a football manager not a time traveller. We came within a minute of getting a draw against one of the biggest International sides in world football and qualifying for the knockout stages of Euro 2016.

you sound like one of those people who are itching for us to lose to push your agenda. If we got to the final I am sure some would say, "well we would have won it under another manager". Give it a rest man, and let the rest of us enjoy the worderful historical moments Coleman and this Welsh squad are continuing to provide us with.

My selfish worry is that Trollope was involved in us sitting back and not defending on the front foot
Just like Cardiff did all of last season
I really hope this is not what is ahead of Cardiff city next season

It was nothing to do with Trollope and his coaching that involved us sitting back. We had no choice. We weren't good enough to keep hold of the ball and we defended badly.

Woy might have been lucky but he changed things and England got what they deserved (last minute always hurts). Coleman needs a plan B in the same way Slade needed one last season.

Today Taylor was tormented by Walker. I rate Taylor quite highly but he was on his own. Surely coleman should have done something to change it. Why not go 4-5-1 and have a defensive midfielder on left hand side to support Taylor?

A plan B is something used when plan A is no longer working. Plan A was working perfectly fine until they scored a scrappy winner in the 92nd minute. He is a football manager not a time traveller. We came within a minute of getting a draw against one of the biggest International sides in world football and qualifying for the knockout stages of Euro 2016.

you sound like one of those people who are itching for us to lose to push your agenda. If we got to the final I am sure some would say, "well we would have won it under another manager". Give it a rest man, and let the rest of us enjoy the worderful historical moments Coleman and this Welsh squad are continuing to provide us with.

Plan b only works if other team let's you use it and in this case England never gave us a chance to do anything but defend? Give them credit for that at least !!

Woy might have been lucky but he changed things and England got what they deserved (last minute always hurts). Coleman needs a plan B in the same way Slade needed one last season.

Today Taylor was tormented by Walker. I rate Taylor quite highly but he was on his own. Surely coleman should have done something to change it. Why not go 4-5-1 and have a defensive midfielder on left hand side to support Taylor?

A plan B is something used when plan A is no longer working. Plan A was working perfectly fine until they scored a scrappy winner in the 92nd minute. He is a football manager not a time traveller. We came within a minute of getting a draw against one of the biggest International sides in world football and qualifying for the knockout stages of Euro 2016.

you sound like one of those people who are itching for us to lose to push your agenda. If we got to the final I am sure some would say, "well we would have won it under another manager". Give it a rest man, and let the rest of us enjoy the worderful historical moments Coleman and this Welsh squad are continuing to provide us with.

I hope Coleman proves me wrong but in 2nd half we were battered and it was only a matter of time before England scored. A tactical switch was needed and it was not delivered.

With all due respect, he already has proven you wrong, resoundingly so. He is the most successful manager we have had in the last 50 odd years and he is making a case for being the most successful of all time.

We were not battered in the second half at all, Hennessey barely had a save to make. We are a counter attacking team so willingly allow them possession. We were outplayed, yes. But that is the reason we were 7-1 to win the game. Not sure what you are expecting really. We needed a point, against a team that have beaten us our last 5 meetings, comfortably. A massive ask, and our game plan gave us that point until the 92nd minute. To try and point fingers is extremely tiresome and wholly uncalled for.

I would be interested to see if you commented on the last victory where cole mans subs changed the game in our favour to make us the only British side on history to win our opening game at the euros, or if you are one of those that praises the players when we won and manager you don't like when we lose, even if it is against a side that dwarfs us in terms of resources and ultimately... ability. Hmmm

Beaten by a better team with better resources.

I thought Bale has been poor in both games apart from the two free kicks. I think as the player he is he needs to demand the ball and hold it up for us more.

Personally I would've brought Vokes on at half time and pushed Bale on to the left, that would've forced him in to the game a bit, given Taylor a bit more protection and Walker something to think about before bombing on.

That said England, we brought on Williams and Edwards, England Sturridge, Vardy and Rashford...

lost to a far better team?..fact

If I'm honest England are not that great idont think they will get past the quarter finals the sturidge goal was a bad goal to give away how he got through there I never know but if you look at it again our player nearest to him lets him go how he squeezed it in beggars belief we did enough for a point but we have no strength in depth like England that's why they won the game

the problem is, what do we do next....wales hasn't got the quality of players other nations have, and yet there seems to be hardly any more coming through the ranks. yes we have 1 or 2 tidy looking youngsters but the fact the welsh league is soo poor has a big impact I think of youth development in this country, because we don't seem to play our youth players. we're really relying on English born welsh grand-parented players who are willing to jump ship. we do tend to over hype bale, don't get me wrong the lad is quality, but take Rambo for instance, at arsenal now we consider him good, but not world class, say the move to barca goes through and he gets 20/30 assists a season with the likes of "Messi, Neymar, Suarez" ahead of him scoring, people will be saying Rambo is one of the greatest. we qualified for a major tournament, which is great, but now we need to ride this success and invest in the WPL I feel.

I've never been a fan of coleman and have been slatted on here and social media for my views. To me he is a lucky manager who got us through qualifying because we have 3 real quality players (Ashley Williams, Ramsey and Bale). At club level he was shocking.

On Saturday v Slovakia we were good in first half but as soon as the Slovakians made a change we were on back foot and we struggled. They equalised and were better team until HRK's late goal.

think if you were doing a balanced and honest post rather than hating on Coleman you need to say that when the Slovaks made subs and the game was slipping away. Coleman then made subs with. 2 of them playing a major pat in winning the game. You might not like him but give credit where credit is due.

As afar as today concerned England are by far a better team. Coleman did well to organise his team and come close to getting a great point we would have been over the money with.

A very unfair thread I think. Shame on you.

Todays game was similar. First half there wasn't a lot between teams. Second half Woy changed tactics and we were battered for 45 minutes. What did Coleman do? He stood there like a young Russell Slade and took ages to change things. We desperately needed someone up front to hold the ball up. Vokes could have done that.

Maybe i'm being harsh and England were far superior but I genuinely believe that after taking the lead we should have got a point from this.

I'm not his biggest fan but he gets some right and some wrong like most managers. A bit to negative for me.

I certainly wouldn't have given him a new contract until after the Euros.
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