Choo's comments out of order

I think Choo's comments are harsh. I just can't believe that when they appointed Slade from League 1, gave him pennies to spend and told him to slash the wage bill of a group of players with a premier league hangover, that they honestly expected to be pushing for a playoff place.
I think they should be praising Slade for achieving the realistic aims and stabilising the club not calling him a failure.

Unnecessary from Choo, I expected better from him.

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I think Choo's comments are harsh. I just can't believe that when they appointed Slade from League 1, gave him pennies to spend and told him to slash the wage bill of a group of players with a premier league hangover, that they honestly expected to be pushing for a playoff place.
I think they should be praising Slade for achieving the realistic aims and stabilising the club not calling him a failure.

Unnecessary from Choo, I expected better from him.

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If he has made those comments, that is very disappointing. That is the sort of thing that should be discussed behind closed doors, particularly if Slade is to continue as an employee at Cardiff City. Very poor management in my opinion, and is not exactly the best way to make Slade feel valued at the club. Almost feels as if they are placing the responsibility for not making the play offs entirely onto Slade. While he has to take some responsibility, so to should those in the background who authorised a lot of the transfers made before Slade arrived, and gave him a small budget to work with. More than one person has played a part in where this club finds themselves today.

He hasn't got a clue about football. What he said to Ben Turner in December was terrible. I hope Ben gets a new contract as well, can tell he loves the club and he wants to stay next season

I agree out of order, he could have worded it better and put some positive spin on Slade's new appointment. At the moment what Choo is effectively saying is that Slade has failed "but hang on, we are going to promote him to head of football for failing", doesn't make sense to me. He should have thought it through before making a statement like he did

Reading it surely choo is just saying slade failed in clubs expectations of at least playoffs? in that respect choo is correct slade did fail! But having said that not sure why he's kept on in any capacity

But having said that not sure why he's kept on in any capacity

...and then promoted

Pennies he brought in SEVENTEEN players

I don't think it's harsh, but, I am very surprised at the public disrespect shown to Slade. Even the club statement said they were 'pleased' Slade accepted his new position and not 'delighted' which I found odd.

I don't think it's harsh, but, I am very surprised at the public disrespect shown to Slade. Even the club statement said they were 'pleased' Slade accepted his new position and not 'delighted' which I found odd.

Thomas its what most of us are saying about Slade,but Ken Choo in my opinion should not have said it ,if after all that Slade is being kept on, it does not make a happy camp.

I don't think it's harsh, but, I am very surprised at the public disrespect shown to Slade. Even the club statement said they were 'pleased' Slade accepted his new position and not 'delighted' which I found odd.

Thomas its what most of us are saying about Slade,but Ken Choo in my opinion should not have said it ,if after all that Slade is being kept on, it does not make a happy camp.

It was a surprise Annis, it was macho mexicano talk from Choo which I haven't heard before

A club statement is carefully revised and redrafted so to put 'pleased' is like an indifference to being not bothered if he accepted or not, I don't understand what is going on in all honesty, part of me thinks his apt was not wanted by all the decision makers at the club.

Anyone involved in management knows that an important part of success is creating a good working environment. Employees need to feel valued, and comments like these are not exactly going to inspire Slade with confidence.

Right decision to release Slade,but the comments need to be kept behind closed doors.
I wonder what comments were made by Slade to find out both our strikers were released during January and the new addition did not sign because we got fincial fair play wrong !

Apparently they were taken way out of context

Tucker done the interview and my mate was sat by them and said tuckers basically wrote a lot of shit

I have lost a ton of respect for Choo after these comments. Maybe if the board didn't screw up our finances to give us a transfer embargo, we would have made the playoffs. Maybe if Slade was actually backed to spend money to bring in his own players this season, we would have made the playoffs.

Slade's tactics and team selections did cost us points, particularly at the end of the season, but overall he has done a very good job. Slade inherited an oversized, bloated squad, got rid of the mercenaries, cut the wage bill and brought in the correct characters like Peltier, O'Keefe and Immers to give us a platform to challenge. Yet Choo has just made these comments publically slating Slade, ridiculous!

How must any manager we approach feel after seeing those comments? It doesn't make us an attractive club to join, does it?

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I have lost a ton of respect for Choo after these comments. Maybe if the board didn't screw up our finances to give us a transfer embargo, we would have made the playoffs. Maybe if Slade was actually backed to spend money to bring in his own players this season, we would have made the playoffs.

Slade's tactics and team selections did cost us points, particularly at the end of the season, but overall he has done a very good job. Slade inherited an oversized, bloated squad, got rid of the mercenaries, cut the wage bill and brought in the correct characters like Peltier, O'Keefe and Immers to give us a platform to challenge. Yet Choo has just made these comments publically slating Slade, ridiculous!

How must any manager we approach feel after seeing those comments? It doesn't make us an attractive club to join, does it?

I am no big Slade fan, but I agree with everything you have said here. Can't think of many businesses that would publicly slate an employee who still works for them. Fine if that person has left the business, but if not, this is the sort of stuff that is dealt with internally and not splashed across newspapers and forums. Bad man management and not the way to run a business.

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

YEP WHOLLY AGREE WITH YOU MATE, I agree with Choo and pleased he said it, Slade now says he has left a squad capable of the Premiership!, if that's the case its Slades lack of motivational skill which has been lacking and he should of been sacked !!

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I agree. Us fans moan we don't know what is going on or what the ambition for the club is so when the CEO comes out and tells us with no attached bullshit then we should be thankful.

Choo/VT would have been honest with Slade when informing him of his redeployment within the club and his failure to land a play-off position was considered fatal to his position as first team coach.

I like Choo and admire him for being so honest.

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I agree. Us fans moan we don't know what is going on or what the ambition for the club is so when the CEO comes out and tells us with no attached bullshit then we should be thankful.

Choo/VT would have been honest with Slade when informing him of his redeployment within the club and his failure to land a play-off position was considered fatal to his position as first team coach.

I like Choo and admire him for being so honest.

There's being honest, then there's being humiliating!

There's always ways of stating things without having to humiliate people and why would you humiliate somebody who you've re-employed and somebody you're supposed to be having a working relationship with, for the foreseeable future?

If Choo has stated what has been attributed to him, then his relationship with Slade in his new role, is going to be a bit frosty at best and is not the way to get the best out of your employees!

But having said that not sure why he's kept on in any capacity

...and then promoted

How the feck is being relieved of your duties being promoted?

He's been moved sideways at best and I'd be shocked if he gets a salary more than the reported £120,000 per year, he was on as our manager!

Apparently they were taken way out of context

Tucker done the interview and my mate was sat by them and said tuckers basically wrote a lot of shit

This will be the truth as its just the sort of sensationalist lazy 'journalism' that is Stinky Steve's style. Anyone remember his last gutter piece when he was suggesting the club was going to go into administration and then had to follow it up the next day in a squirming apologetic piece trying to justify the garbage?

If he's a fan of the club then he's one that we certainly don't need. And the way he jams his flea-bitten head up Blakey's arse is just plain embarrassing.

'Steve Tucker - The Stinky Fucker'.

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I agree. Us fans moan we don't know what is going on or what the ambition for the club is so when the CEO comes out and tells us with no attached bullshit then we should be thankful.

Choo/VT would have been honest with Slade when informing him of his redeployment within the club and his failure to land a play-off position was considered fatal to his position as first team coach.

I like Choo and admire him for being so honest.

There's being honest, then there's being humiliating!

There's always ways of stating things without having to humiliate people and why would you humiliate somebody who you've re-employed and somebody you're supposed to be having a working relationship with, for the foreseeable future?

If Choo has stated what has been attributed to him, then his relationship with Slade in his new role, is going to be a bit frosty at best and is not the way to get the best out of your employees!

The flip side is there's honesty and then there's avoiding the issue which thankfully Choo didn't

I don't accept Choo's comments amount to humiliation and he has made his views known at the right time i.e. end of the season. Choo's decision is subjective in that the manager was given a target of reaching the play-offs with a squad considered good enough to achieve that aim. The manager fell short of that target and therefore has been removed.

However, he has been given another job within the club. Without knowing exactly why I make the assumption that the board members also took an objective view and noted the good work Slade had done in pruning the wage bill. Maybe that is what this new position is about?

In any case Choo would have spoken to Slade before removing him from the first team position and giving him his new role. If there was a problem then why did Slade accept the new role?

But having said that not sure why he's kept on in any capacity

...and then promoted

I don't see it as a promotion just a change in role

Nothing wrong with Choos comments tbh.

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I agree. Us fans moan we don't know what is going on or what the ambition for the club is so when the CEO comes out and tells us with no attached bullshit then we should be thankful.

Choo/VT would have been honest with Slade when informing him of his redeployment within the club and his failure to land a play-off position was considered fatal to his position as first team coach.

I like Choo and admire him for being so honest.

There's being honest, then there's being humiliating!

There's always ways of stating things without having to humiliate people and why would you humiliate somebody who you've re-employed and somebody you're supposed to be having a working relationship with, for the foreseeable future?

If Choo has stated what has been attributed to him, then his relationship with Slade in his new role, is going to be a bit frosty at best and is not the way to get the best out of your employees!

The flip side is there's honesty and then there's avoiding the issue which thankfully Choo didn't

I don't accept Choo's comments amount to humiliation and he has made his views known at the right time i.e. end of the season. Choo's decision is subjective in that the manager was given a target of reaching the play-offs with a squad considered good enough to achieve that aim. The manager fell short of that target and therefore has been removed.

All he had to say was that VT was disappointed in not reaching the Play Offs and wanted to go in a different direction. It would have been quite clear why he was removed, without the necessity to bluntly label him a failure. In labelling him as such in such a public way, has surely not endeared himself to Slade, which is never going to be a good basis for a decent working relationship between employer and employee!

However, he has been given another job within the club. Without knowing exactly why I make the assumption that the board members also took an objective view and noted the good work Slade had done in pruning the wage bill. Maybe that is what this new position is about?

I think it's quite clear that you are right here, but unless Choo has stated this very reason, then not only has he publically humiliated him by labelling him a failure, then he has missed a very good opportunity to praise him as well. We all like a pat on the back for a job well done and that surely would have been a better way of disclosing the reason for him not being re-employed as the manager and his new role at the club!

In any case Choo would have spoken to Slade before removing him from the first team position and giving him his new role. If there was a problem then why did Slade accept the new role?

It's quite obvious that Choo has spoken to Slade and discussed his new role and I think it's quite clear that Slade would have liked to have been kept on as manager. However the club (rightly IMO), have taken the decision to move him sideways at best and who knows why he has accepted his new role? He has possibly decided that he likes the area and that he'd prefer to stay here in some capacity, rather than decline and go through the uncertainty at 55 years of age, of applying for other jobs in football management!

Whatever the reason for Slade deciding to accept his sideways move, I still believe that Choo has not handled the announcement as well as it could have been!

BTW, I thought that up until Choo's public statement yesterday (if the statement is accurate), that the club had handled the situation brilliantly, especially in announcing it at the right time, before yesterday's game!

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I agree. Us fans moan we don't know what is going on or what the ambition for the club is so when the CEO comes out and tells us with no attached bullshit then we should be thankful.

Choo/VT would have been honest with Slade when informing him of his redeployment within the club and his failure to land a play-off position was considered fatal to his position as first team coach.

I like Choo and admire him for being so honest.

There's being honest, then there's being humiliating!

There's always ways of stating things without having to humiliate people and why would you humiliate somebody who you've re-employed and somebody you're supposed to be having a working relationship with, for the foreseeable future?

If Choo has stated what has been attributed to him, then his relationship with Slade in his new role, is going to be a bit frosty at best and is not the way to get the best out of your employees!

The flip side is there's honesty and then there's avoiding the issue which thankfully Choo didn't

I don't accept Choo's comments amount to humiliation and he has made his views known at the right time i.e. end of the season. Choo's decision is subjective in that the manager was given a target of reaching the play-offs with a squad considered good enough to achieve that aim. The manager fell short of that target and therefore has been removed.

All he had to say was that VT was disappointed in not reaching the Play Offs and wanted to go in a different direction. It would have been quite clear why he was removed, without the necessity to bluntly label him a failure. In labelling him as such in such a public way, has surely not endeared himself to Slade, which is never going to be a good basis for a decent working relationship between employer and employee!

However, he has been given another job within the club. Without knowing exactly why I make the assumption that the board members also took an objective view and noted the good work Slade had done in pruning the wage bill. Maybe that is what this new position is about?

I think it's quite clear that you are right here, but unless Choo has stated this very reason, then not only has he publically humiliated him by labelling him a failure, then he has missed a very good opportunity to praise him as well. We all like a pat on the back for a job well done and that surely would have been a better way of disclosing the reason for him not being re-employed as the manager and his new role at the club!

In any case Choo would have spoken to Slade before removing him from the first team position and giving him his new role. If there was a problem then why did Slade accept the new role?

It's quite obvious that Choo has spoken to Slade and discussed his new role and I think it's quite clear that Slade would have liked to have been kept on as manager. However the club (rightly IMO), have taken the decision to move him sideways at best and who knows why he has accepted his new role? He has possibly decided that he likes the area and that he'd prefer to stay here in some capacity, rather than decline and go through the uncertainty at 55 years of age, of applying for other jobs in football management!

Whatever the reason for Slade deciding to accept his sideways move, I still believe that Choo has not handled the announcement as well as it could have been!

BTW, I thought that up until Choo's public statement yesterday (if the statement is accurate), that the club had handled the situation brilliantly, especially in announcing it at the right time, before yesterday's game!

Some good points there but if you read the article Choo states "This squad cost £28 million to assemble. Vincent's position is clear, any lower than the play-offs is a failure."


It seems as though Slade knew his brief was to make the play-offs although admittedly that is a contradiction on what everyone was saying back in January.

That said I still think Choo has done the right thing in communicating truthfully with the fan base. Obviously you disagree.

I still can't see how anyone who has been branded a failure can then be given the position of director of football. As I said earlier, I can't think of many businesses who would publicly brand a present employee of that business a failure. That is not the best way to motivate someone, and could make for an uncomfortable working relationship. I would expect a statement like that to follow the sacking of someone and not made about someone who has just been given a responsible position within that business.

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I agree. Us fans moan we don't know what is going on or what the ambition for the club is so when the CEO comes out and tells us with no attached bullshit then we should be thankful.

Choo/VT would have been honest with Slade when informing him of his redeployment within the club and his failure to land a play-off position was considered fatal to his position as first team coach.

I like Choo and admire him for being so honest.

There's being honest, then there's being humiliating!

There's always ways of stating things without having to humiliate people and why would you humiliate somebody who you've re-employed and somebody you're supposed to be having a working relationship with, for the foreseeable future?

If Choo has stated what has been attributed to him, then his relationship with Slade in his new role, is going to be a bit frosty at best and is not the way to get the best out of your employees!

The flip side is there's honesty and then there's avoiding the issue which thankfully Choo didn't

I don't accept Choo's comments amount to humiliation and he has made his views known at the right time i.e. end of the season. Choo's decision is subjective in that the manager was given a target of reaching the play-offs with a squad considered good enough to achieve that aim. The manager fell short of that target and therefore has been removed.

All he had to say was that VT was disappointed in not reaching the Play Offs and wanted to go in a different direction. It would have been quite clear why he was removed, without the necessity to bluntly label him a failure. In labelling him as such in such a public way, has surely not endeared himself to Slade, which is never going to be a good basis for a decent working relationship between employer and employee!

However, he has been given another job within the club. Without knowing exactly why I make the assumption that the board members also took an objective view and noted the good work Slade had done in pruning the wage bill. Maybe that is what this new position is about?

I think it's quite clear that you are right here, but unless Choo has stated this very reason, then not only has he publically humiliated him by labelling him a failure, then he has missed a very good opportunity to praise him as well. We all like a pat on the back for a job well done and that surely would have been a better way of disclosing the reason for him not being re-employed as the manager and his new role at the club!

In any case Choo would have spoken to Slade before removing him from the first team position and giving him his new role. If there was a problem then why did Slade accept the new role?

It's quite obvious that Choo has spoken to Slade and discussed his new role and I think it's quite clear that Slade would have liked to have been kept on as manager. However the club (rightly IMO), have taken the decision to move him sideways at best and who knows why he has accepted his new role? He has possibly decided that he likes the area and that he'd prefer to stay here in some capacity, rather than decline and go through the uncertainty at 55 years of age, of applying for other jobs in football management!

Whatever the reason for Slade deciding to accept his sideways move, I still believe that Choo has not handled the announcement as well as it could have been!

BTW, I thought that up until Choo's public statement yesterday (if the statement is accurate), that the club had handled the situation brilliantly, especially in announcing it at the right time, before yesterday's game!

Some good points there but if you read the article Choo states "This squad cost £28 million to assemble. Vincent's position is clear, any lower than the play-offs is a failure."


It seems as though Slade knew his brief was to make the play-offs although admittedly that is a contradiction on what everyone was saying back in January.

That said I still think Choo has done the right thing in communicating truthfully with the fan base. Obviously you disagree.

I only disagree in his wording Tony and feel he could have been a bit more diplomatic!

nice to have a CEO with a bit of balls and speaking the truth.
he tells lies and gets slaughtered. he tells the truth and gets slaughtered.
Slades job was playoffs or out. he failed. Choo is speaking honest. if the truth hurts Slade that much then

I agree. Us fans moan we don't know what is going on or what the ambition for the club is so when the CEO comes out and tells us with no attached bullshit then we should be thankful.

Choo/VT would have been honest with Slade when informing him of his redeployment within the club and his failure to land a play-off position was considered fatal to his position as first team coach.

I like Choo and admire him for being so honest.

There's being honest, then there's being humiliating!

There's always ways of stating things without having to humiliate people and why would you humiliate somebody who you've re-employed and somebody you're supposed to be having a working relationship with, for the foreseeable future?

If Choo has stated what has been attributed to him, then his relationship with Slade in his new role, is going to be a bit frosty at best and is not the way to get the best out of your employees!

The flip side is there's honesty and then there's avoiding the issue which thankfully Choo didn't

I don't accept Choo's comments amount to humiliation and he has made his views known at the right time i.e. end of the season. Choo's decision is subjective in that the manager was given a target of reaching the play-offs with a squad considered good enough to achieve that aim. The manager fell short of that target and therefore has been removed.

All he had to say was that VT was disappointed in not reaching the Play Offs and wanted to go in a different direction. It would have been quite clear why he was removed, without the necessity to bluntly label him a failure. In labelling him as such in such a public way, has surely not endeared himself to Slade, which is never going to be a good basis for a decent working relationship between employer and employee!

However, he has been given another job within the club. Without knowing exactly why I make the assumption that the board members also took an objective view and noted the good work Slade had done in pruning the wage bill. Maybe that is what this new position is about?

I think it's quite clear that you are right here, but unless Choo has stated this very reason, then not only has he publically humiliated him by labelling him a failure, then he has missed a very good opportunity to praise him as well. We all like a pat on the back for a job well done and that surely would have been a better way of disclosing the reason for him not being re-employed as the manager and his new role at the club!

In any case Choo would have spoken to Slade before removing him from the first team position and giving him his new role. If there was a problem then why did Slade accept the new role?

It's quite obvious that Choo has spoken to Slade and discussed his new role and I think it's quite clear that Slade would have liked to have been kept on as manager. However the club (rightly IMO), have taken the decision to move him sideways at best and who knows why he has accepted his new role? He has possibly decided that he likes the area and that he'd prefer to stay here in some capacity, rather than decline and go through the uncertainty at 55 years of age, of applying for other jobs in football management!

Whatever the reason for Slade deciding to accept his sideways move, I still believe that Choo has not handled the announcement as well as it could have been!

BTW, I thought that up until Choo's public statement yesterday (if the statement is accurate), that the club had handled the situation brilliantly, especially in announcing it at the right time, before yesterday's game!

Some good points there but if you read the article Choo states "This squad cost £28 million to assemble. Vincent's position is clear, any lower than the play-offs is a failure."


It seems as though Slade knew his brief was to make the play-offs although admittedly that is a contradiction on what everyone was saying back in January.

That said I still think Choo has done the right thing in communicating truthfully with the fan base. Obviously you disagree.

I only disagree in his wording Tony and feel he could have been a bit more diplomatic!

Can't see the funny side tbh!