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" HILLSBROUGH TRAGEDY VERDICT DELIVERED "

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:13 am

BREAKING NEWS - JURY RULES THE 96 VICTIMS WERE UNLAWFULLY KILLED

These were the questions asked and answers:


“Ninety-six people died as a result of the Disaster at Hillsborough Stadium on 15 April 1989 due to crushing in the central pens of the Leppings Lane terrace, following the admission of a large number of supporters to the Stadium through exit gates.” YES


Was there any error or omission in police planning or preparation for the semi-final match on 15 April 1989 which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed on the day of the match? YES

Was there any error or omission in policing on the day of the match which caused or contributed to a dangerous situation developing at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? YES

Was there any error or omission by commanding officers which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace? YES

When the order was given to open the exit gates at the Leppings Lane end of the stadium, was there any error or omission by the commanding officers in the control box which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace? YES

Are you satisfied, so that you are sure, that those who died in the disaster were unlawfully killed? YES

Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? NO

Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? NO

Were there any features of the design, construction and layout of the stadium which you consider were dangerous or defective and which caused or contributed to the disaster? YES

Was there any error or omission in the safety certification and oversight of Hillsborough Stadium that caused or contributed to the disaster? YES

Was there any error or omission by SWFC and its staff in the management of the stadium and/or preparation for the semi final match on 15 April 1989 which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation which developed on the day of the match? YES

Was there any error or omission by SWFC and its staff on 15 April 1989 which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed at the Leppings Lane turnstiles and in the west terrace? NO

Was there any error or omission by SWFC and its staff on 15 April 1989 which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed at the Leppings Lane turnstiles and in the west terrace? YES

Should Eastwood & Partners (engineers) have done more to detect and advise on any unsafe or unsatisfactory features of the stadium which caused or contributed to the disaster? YES

After the crush in the West Terrace had begun to develop, was there any error or omission by the police which caused or contributed to the loss of lives in the disaster? YES

After the crush in the west terrace had begun to develop, was there any error or omission by the ambulance service (SYMAS) which caused or contributed to the loss of lives in the disaster? YES

Re: " HILLSBROUGH TRAGEDY VERDICT DELIVERED "

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:23 am

Justice finally done . For a country that prides itself on truth and integrity the whole matter stunk. Hang your heads in shame to all who tried to cover this up..

Re: " HILLSBROUGH TRAGEDY VERDICT DELIVERED "

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:51 am

CPS says it will now consider criminal charges.

Re: " HILLSBROUGH TRAGEDY VERDICT DELIVERED "

Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:05 am

While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:

Re: " HILLSBROUGH TRAGEDY VERDICT DELIVERED "

Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:07 am

Finally the families involved have got what they wanted.
Nobody should go to a football match and not return home.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:24 am

Plymuff Bloobird wrote:Finally the families involved have got what they wanted.
Nobody should go to a football match and not return home.


well they haven't really, this makes it all so worse and now it will prolong the issue as criminal charges appear, and another long stretch of cases take their lives over once again.

But one step at a time and at last justice and the truth becoming transparent - to coin a Govt phrase!!

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:34 am

From Justice and Closure, and now on to retribution. Another ten years of taxpayers' millions.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:38 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Justice finally done . For a country that prides itself on truth and integrity the whole matter stunk. Hang your heads in shame to all who tried to cover this up..



I find it all shameful.Looking back we called it the good old days if you are of my age(58).Just goes to show the corruption of all the establishment.not just the police but council officials,government ministers and just about any establishment authority.When you consider what went on in childrens homes up and down the country and whats been swept under the carpet,makes you wonder if any of them weren't bent.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:45 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Justice finally done . For a country that prides itself on truth and integrity the whole matter stunk. Hang your heads in shame to all who tried to cover this up..



I find it all shameful.Looking back we called it the good old days if you are of my age(58).Just goes to show the corruption of all the establishment.not just the police but council officials,government ministers and just about any establishment authority.When you consider what went on in childrens homes up and down the country and whats been swept under the carpet,makes you wonder if any of them weren't bent.


they were all bent!!! :o

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:20 pm

arri potta wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Justice finally done . For a country that prides itself on truth and integrity the whole matter stunk. Hang your heads in shame to all who tried to cover this up..



I find it all shameful.Looking back we called it the good old days if you are of my age(58).Just goes to show the corruption of all the establishment.not just the police but council officials,government ministers and just about any establishment authority.When you consider what went on in childrens homes up and down the country and whats been swept under the carpet,makes you wonder if any of them weren't bent.


they were all bent!!! :o

This country can compete with the best of them in the corruption stakes. MP's, councilors, police, the press. Quite difficult to know when you are hearing the truth in this country, seems like everyone is out to line their own pockets while looking after their own backs, and tough luck to any honest people stupid enough to get in their way.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:43 pm

A minute applause should be done on Sat.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:04 pm

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Re: " HILLSBROUGH TRAGEDY VERDICT DELIVERED "

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:20 pm

pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


I understand why you pose that question and at first sight it might seem that the Liverpool fans must take some of the blame.

That said the Police are a public service and we would expect them to Police a high profile football match competently. Even today fans attend games ticketless but are never allowed near enough to the stadium so that they can potentially cause a dangerous risk.

There was no reason why the Police could have ensured that ticketless fans were filtered out well before they reached the Leppings Lane turnstiles. For that the Police are to blame. They are also to blame for poor management of a disaster zone.

It also appears Sheffield W FC, the stadium building contractors and the South Yorkshire Ambulance Service have all had the finger pointed at them for some of the blame.

Re: " HILLSBROUGH TRAGEDY VERDICT DELIVERED "

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:24 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
arri potta wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Justice finally done . For a country that prides itself on truth and integrity the whole matter stunk. Hang your heads in shame to all who tried to cover this up..



I find it all shameful.Looking back we called it the good old days if you are of my age(58).Just goes to show the corruption of all the establishment.not just the police but council officials,government ministers and just about any establishment authority.When you consider what went on in childrens homes up and down the country and whats been swept under the carpet,makes you wonder if any of them weren't bent.


they were all bent!!! :o

This country can compete with the best of them in the corruption stakes. MP's, councilors, police, the press. Quite difficult to know when you are hearing the truth in this country, seems like everyone is out to line their own pockets while looking after their own backs, and tough luck to any honest people stupid enough to get in their way.


Very true.

However, every now and then someone will start digging and the amount of shit which comes up is really breath taking when considering MP's expenses, Jimmy Savile (BBC), Children's Homes etc.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:06 pm

blue lagoon wrote:A minute applause should be done on Sat.


Regardless of whether you like the song or not, You'll Never Walk Alone sung by both sets of fans might be a nice gesture.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:22 pm

pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:06 pm

rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.



I had trouble at leppings Rd couple years before with city when chased by Wed fans! No one can reasonably say that the fact there was couple thousand pool fans without tickets didn't contribute to the events that day? Yes police messed up cannot argue that but wasn't whole story I feel.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:14 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.



I had trouble at leppings Rd couple years before with city when chased by Wed fans! No one can reasonably say that the fact there was couple thousand pool fans without tickets didn't contribute to the events that day? Yes police messed up cannot argue that but wasn't whole story I feel.


There's a report saying that 96 would have died even if no ticketless fans got let in. As for fans without tickets, why were they let in?

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:18 pm

murphy wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.



I had trouble at leppings Rd couple years before with city when chased by Wed fans! No one can reasonably say that the fact there was couple thousand pool fans without tickets didn't contribute to the events that day? Yes police messed up cannot argue that but wasn't whole story I feel.


There's a report saying that 96 would have died even if no ticketless fans got let in. As for fans without tickets, why were they let in?



If those ticketless fans hadn't Been there you have to question the need to open the gates? Guess the answer lies in the design of that part of ground like I said had trouble couple years earlier !

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:25 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.



I had trouble at leppings Rd couple years before with city when chased by Wed fans! No one can reasonably say that the fact there was couple thousand pool fans without tickets didn't contribute to the events that day? Yes police messed up cannot argue that but wasn't whole story I feel.

I agree with you that surly this was a cause as well ,but I think that they were never going to say that as I think they want closure on this now

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:30 pm

wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.



I had trouble at leppings Rd couple years before with city when chased by Wed fans! No one can reasonably say that the fact there was couple thousand pool fans without tickets didn't contribute to the events that day? Yes police messed up cannot argue that but wasn't whole story I feel.

I agree with you that surly this was a cause as well ,but I think that they were never going to say that as I think they want closure on this now


Yes and to blame someone! no doubt was a cover up but feel no one wanted to blame fans in any way? What it does leave now is compensation and prosecution for people so don't think closure is anytime soon..

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:32 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.



I had trouble at leppings Rd couple years before with city when chased by Wed fans! No one can reasonably say that the fact there was couple thousand pool fans without tickets didn't contribute to the events that day? Yes police messed up cannot argue that but wasn't whole story I feel.

I agree with you that surly this was a cause as well ,but I think that they were never going to say that as I think they want closure on this now


Yes and to blame someone! no doubt was a cover up but feel no one wanted to blame fans in any way? What it does leave now is compensation and prosecution for people so don't think closure is anytime soon..
the victims should get compensation as it wasn't there fault and hopefully will get a lot and then the matter will be closed

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:36 pm

wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.



I had trouble at leppings Rd couple years before with city when chased by Wed fans! No one can reasonably say that the fact there was couple thousand pool fans without tickets didn't contribute to the events that day? Yes police messed up cannot argue that but wasn't whole story I feel.

I agree with you that surly this was a cause as well ,but I think that they were never going to say that as I think they want closure on this now


Yes and to blame someone! no doubt was a cover up but feel no one wanted to blame fans in any way? What it does leave now is compensation and prosecution for people so don't think closure is anytime soon..
the victims should get compensation as it wasn't there fault and hopefully will get a lot and then the matter will be closed



Yes they should as is their rights, and it's cost to much money to get this far and hopefully never have similar cover up again :old:

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:00 pm

Most tragedies are the result of an aggregation of relatively minor failings. Remove any one of these failings and the overall tragedy doesn't happen. For me a significant part was played by the fences - no hooligans, no fences and fans don't get trapped. The actions of many so called fans in the preceding years have a part to play in what happened that terrible day.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:43 pm

rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.


totally agree with this. no doubt that the ticketless fans don't turn up the disaster doesn't happen. police made mistakes but thers blood on many hands.

think the authorites just got sick of enquiry after enquiry and just given them the answer they wanted to hear.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:49 pm

bluebird-77 wrote:
rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.


totally agree with this. no doubt that the ticketless fans don't turn up the disaster doesn't happen. police made mistakes but thers blood on many hands.

think the authorites just got sick of enquiry after enquiry and just given them the answer they wanted to hear.



May be right just seems odd that it was yes to all they wanted and no to put blame anywhere they didn't want it to go?

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:10 pm

rhondda 1015 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:While justice has finally been seen to be done, I never understood why the thousand or so Liverpool fans without tickets at the ground were not criticised or blamed for their part in causing the crush at the gates? surely the events wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there. :old:


At last, someone on here has said what thousands of other football fans throughout the UK think. Deep down, the ticketless Liverpool fans that turned up that day know they were as much to blame, they'll have to live with it for the rest of their lives.


It's a difficult one this as many completely innocent people died that day and anyone who attended big games in the eighties will know it could have happened to them as the organisation at these games was incompetent and amateurish at best

No doubt at all the police handling of the day was shocking and the attempt to cover it up is nothing short of scandalous....but certain ticketless fans who rushed the turnstiles that day are not exactly blameless either

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Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:03 am

Well this is just what the Liverpool fans wanted - not our fault! There were errors by many people on that tragic day but I don't think that ticketless fans helped, if they weren't trying to get in the gates would never have been opened surely.

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Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:22 am

oohahhPaulMillar wrote:
It's a difficult one this as many completely innocent people died that day and anyone who attended big games in the eighties will know it could have happened to them as the organisation at these games was incompetent and amateurish at best

No doubt at all the police handling of the day was shocking and the attempt to cover it up is nothing short of scandalous....but certain ticketless fans who rushed the turnstiles that day are not exactly blameless either


Very true.

I admit to attending a Wales vs. Ireland rugby international in 1986 without a ticket but was prepared to watch the game in a pub near Lansdowne Road. However, due to the amount of people around the stadium the gates were opened and I got in for nothing along with 1,000's of others. At the time we thought we did nothing wrong and had just got lucky. The point is it proves opening gates in such situations had been happening at other grounds prior to Hillsbrough.

It's easy to blame the ticketless Liverpool fans and maybe there is some blame to be apportioned. However, the Police are a public service and should have had procedures in place to stop ticketless fans from being anywhere near the stadium, as is the case now.

Failure to do that directly resulted in 96 people being killed and the Police have to accept responsibility for that.

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Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:55 am

There was obviously imcompetence by those in charge of crowd control that day, and mistakes were made. No-body is immune from making poor decisions but for me the blatant lies and passing of the buck in the years that followed are unforgivable.