Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:02 am
Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:05 am
Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:14 am
Forever Blue wrote:" MALKY MACKAY AND DAVE JONES "
Would they have?
As everyone knows we need at least four wins from our remaining five league games to make the play-offs.
If say Malky Mackay or Dave Jones had this current squad and needed those four wins, do you think either of them in the same position would achieve it?
My personal opinion Yes Malky Mackay would,as he knew how to grind out results, even if it was not the best football, our defence would be solid and we would scrape one nil wins. Malky in the Championship was also very consistent as his record proves that.
As to Dave Jones, Hmmmmm?
Jones would go on a good run, but if things went wrong, Jones would struggle to get out of it and in his six years we did play good football, but he was always a nearly man.
By the way I believe this current squad is good enough to make the play-offs if the right manager had been in place.
But well done to Slade for getting us further than I ever thought he would.
Final question, Do you want Russell Slade to be Cardiff's manager next season?
Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:22 am
Forever Blue wrote:" MALKY MACKAY AND DAVE JONES "
Would they have?
As everyone knows we need at least four wins from our remaining five league games to make the play-offs.
If say Malky Mackay or Dave Jones had this current squad and needed those four wins, do you think either of them in the same position would achieve it?
My personal opinion Yes Malky Mackay would,as he knew how to grind out results, even if it was not the best football, our defence would be solid and we would scrape one nil wins. Malky in the Championship was also very consistent as his record proves that.
As to Dave Jones, Hmmmmm?
Jones would go on a good run, but if things went wrong, Jones would struggle to get out of it and in his six years we did play good football, but he was always a nearly man.
By the way I believe this current squad is good enough to make the play-offs if the right manager had been in place.
But well done to Slade for getting us further than I ever thought he would.
Final question, Do you want Russell Slade to be Cardiff's manager next season?
Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:15 am
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:24 am
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:25 am
I think both managers would get us the 4 wins needed to get the playoffs however if either manager was in charge for the whole season then I don't think we would be talking about needing the 4 wins I think both would have us in the playoffs already and one of the teams in there now would be playing catchupForever Blue wrote:" MALKY MACKAY AND DAVE JONES "
Would they have?
As everyone knows we need at least four wins from our remaining five league games to make the play-offs.
If say Malky Mackay or Dave Jones had this current squad and needed those four wins, do you think either of them in the same position would achieve it?
My personal opinion Yes Malky Mackay would,as he knew how to grind out results, even if it was not the best football, our defence would be solid and we would scrape one nil wins. Malky in the Championship was also very consistent as his record proves that.
As to Dave Jones, Hmmmmm?
Jones would go on a good run, but if things went wrong, Jones would struggle to get out of it and in his six years we did play good football, but he was always a nearly man.
By the way I believe this current squad is good enough to make the play-offs if the right manager had been in place.
But well done to Slade for getting us further than I ever thought he would.
Final question, Do you want Russell Slade to be Cardiff's manager next season?
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:27 am
oxfordblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:" MALKY MACKAY AND DAVE JONES "
Would they have?
As everyone knows we need at least four wins from our remaining five league games to make the play-offs.
If say Malky Mackay or Dave Jones had this current squad and needed those four wins, do you think either of them in the same position would achieve it?
My personal opinion Yes Malky Mackay would,as he knew how to grind out results, even if it was not the best football, our defence would be solid and we would scrape one nil wins. Malky in the Championship was also very consistent as his record proves that.
As to Dave Jones, Hmmmmm?
Jones would go on a good run, but if things went wrong, Jones would struggle to get out of it and in his six years we did play good football, but he was always a nearly man.
By the way I believe this current squad is good enough to make the play-offs if the right manager had been in place.
But well done to Slade for getting us further than I ever thought he would.
Final question, Do you want Russell Slade to be Cardiff's manager next season?
Russell Slade is doing what I expected win some, lose some, draw some resulting in a flirtation with the play offs , if he stays I believe next season it will be more of the same or worse.
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:28 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:30 am
darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:33 am
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:37 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:46 am
darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
you said they were his players I was pointing out they are not all his players and some were signed by the other 2 managers Annis asked if they would do better than Slade so your argument that Slade would do better as they are his players is void
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:46 am
darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
you said they were his players I was pointing out they are not all his players and some were signed by the other 2 managers Annis asked if they would do better than Slade so your argument that Slade would do better as they are his players is void
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:51 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
you said they were his players I was pointing out they are not all his players and some were signed by the other 2 managers Annis asked if they would do better than Slade so your argument that Slade would do better as they are his players is void
Hear we go Peltier, Malone, Magna, Pilkington, Zohore, Saadi, Fabio, Ameobi, Lawrence, Lex, Dikgacoi, Morrison none of which played under either Jones or Malky.
So even if you include Marshall, Connelly, Whittingam and Noone the vast majority would be Slade's players and thus give him a better chance of getting the results required. After all Annis specifically set the question "given this group of players"
The only thing that's void is your reasoning....
Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:57 am
darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
you said they were his players I was pointing out they are not all his players and some were signed by the other 2 managers Annis asked if they would do better than Slade so your argument that Slade would do better as they are his players is void
Hear we go Peltier, Malone, Magna, Pilkington, Zohore, Saadi, Fabio, Ameobi, Lawrence, Lex, Dikgacoi, Morrison none of which played under either Jones or Malky.
So even if you include Marshall, Connelly, Whittingam and Noone the vast majority would be Slade's players and thus give him a better chance of getting the results required. After all Annis specifically set the question "given this group of players"
The only thing that's void is your reasoning....
read my post above about fulham and the starting 11 only had 4 players signed by Slade ,his own players were either on the bench or completly out of the squad which shows he's not up to identifying players good enough to break into the first team with players signe by previous managers so for me
Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:00 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
you said they were his players I was pointing out they are not all his players and some were signed by the other 2 managers Annis asked if they would do better than Slade so your argument that Slade would do better as they are his players is void
Hear we go Peltier, Malone, Magna, Pilkington, Zohore, Saadi, Fabio, Ameobi, Lawrence, Lex, Dikgacoi, Morrison none of which played under either Jones or Malky.
So even if you include Marshall, Connelly, Whittingam and Noone the vast majority would be Slade's players and thus give him a better chance of getting the results required. After all Annis specifically set the question "given this group of players"
The only thing that's void is your reasoning....
read my post above about fulham and the starting 11 only had 4 players signed by Slade ,his own players were either on the bench or completly out of the squad which shows he's not up to identifying players good enough to break into the first team with players signe by previous managers so for me
With reference to Annis question (not your post) he was specifically referring to this 'squad' which have all played under Slade and only a handful under Malky and 2 (I think under Jones). There was no mention of his ability to identify decent players (although I would answer any argument about that with 'Lex') hence I would back Slade above the other 2 managers to get us into the play-offs or make the best fist of it.
Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:02 pm
darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
you said they were his players I was pointing out they are not all his players and some were signed by the other 2 managers Annis asked if they would do better than Slade so your argument that Slade would do better as they are his players is void
Hear we go Peltier, Malone, Magna, Pilkington, Zohore, Saadi, Fabio, Ameobi, Lawrence, Lex, Dikgacoi, Morrison none of which played under either Jones or Malky.
So even if you include Marshall, Connelly, Whittingam and Noone the vast majority would be Slade's players and thus give him a better chance of getting the results required. After all Annis specifically set the question "given this group of players"
The only thing that's void is your reasoning....
read my post above about fulham and the starting 11 only had 4 players signed by Slade ,his own players were either on the bench or completly out of the squad which shows he's not up to identifying players good enough to break into the first team with players signe by previous managers so for me
With reference to Annis question (not your post) he was specifically referring to this 'squad' which have all played under Slade and only a handful under Malky and 2 (I think under Jones). There was no mention of his ability to identify decent players (although I would answer any argument about that with 'Lex') hence I would back Slade above the other 2 managers to get us into the play-offs or make the best fist of it.
you say you would back Slade to get us into the playoffs Malky and Jones both achieved this. Slade hasn't and I don't believe he will due to us being way to inconsistent under him
Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:03 pm
With regards to Immers yes he's a good signing but most of his players have been duds (hence most not starting or shipped out on loan) yes all managers make bad signings but Slade makes more bad then good , Malky and Jones made much better signings with the latter having no money to spend and using the loan market and signing quality on the cheapdarran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Of the 3 Slade would have the best chance. The reasoning is these are his players. Malky could grind out results but that was with his squad in 2013. If Jones took over at Barcelona he would choke, forever the nearly man.
I would like Slade to continue next year but there must be some doubt as neither the club nor Slade himself seem over keen to seal the deal.
Um they are not his players some in the starting 11were signed by Dave Jones and malky
As you said "SOME" which means most were not
you said they were his players I was pointing out they are not all his players and some were signed by the other 2 managers Annis asked if they would do better than Slade so your argument that Slade would do better as they are his players is void
Hear we go Peltier, Malone, Magna, Pilkington, Zohore, Saadi, Fabio, Ameobi, Lawrence, Lex, Dikgacoi, Morrison none of which played under either Jones or Malky.
So even if you include Marshall, Connelly, Whittingam and Noone the vast majority would be Slade's players and thus give him a better chance of getting the results required. After all Annis specifically set the question "given this group of players"
The only thing that's void is your reasoning....
read my post above about fulham and the starting 11 only had 4 players signed by Slade ,his own players were either on the bench or completly out of the squad which shows he's not up to identifying players good enough to break into the first team with players signe by previous managers so for me
With reference to Annis question (not your post) he was specifically referring to this 'squad' which have all played under Slade and only a handful under Malky and 2 (I think under Jones). There was no mention of his ability to identify decent players (although I would answer any argument about that with 'Lex') hence I would back Slade above the other 2 managers to get us into the play-offs or make the best fist of it.
you say you would back Slade to get us into the playoffs Malky and Jones both achieved this. Slade hasn't and I don't believe he will due to us being way to inconsistent under him
Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:17 pm
darran1927 wrote: With regards to Immers yes he's a good signing but most of his players have been duds (hence most not starting or shipped out on loan) yes all managers make bad signings but Slade makes more bad then good , Malky and Jones made much better signings with the latter having no money to spend and using the loan market and signing quality on the cheap
) loan early (boy he knew a player when he saw one).Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:24 pm
He did sign O'keefe didn't play him for most of the season until forced to through injury and wwhen he is in his best form drops him after just 2 games after international breakTony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote: With regards to Immers yes he's a good signing but most of his players have been duds (hence most not starting or shipped out on loan) yes all managers make bad signings but Slade makes more bad then good , Malky and Jones made much better signings with the latter having no money to spend and using the loan market and signing quality on the cheap
Sorry you cannot sweep under the carpet the poor signings of Dave Jones and Malky McKay. MM signed Andreas Cornelius and Peter Odemwingie and wasted at least £10m. Slade signed Alex Revell and Eion Doyle which at most cost £1m so the assumption Slade is worse than MM is absurd.
Jones signed a full starting 11 of duffers (listed a few the other day and that was just his strikers) and also wasted money paying dead beats Robbie Fowler and JFH.
As for utilising the loan market I would point out Lex is on loanand Dave Jones was the manager who ended Danny Drinkwater's (whatever happened to him
) loan early (boy he knew a player when he saw one).
Finally on midfield players didn't Slade sign Stuart O'Keefe?
Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:40 pm
darran1927 wrote:He did sign O'keefe didn't play him for most of the season until forced to through injury and wwhen he is in his best form drops him after just 2 games after international breakTony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote: With regards to Immers yes he's a good signing but most of his players have been duds (hence most not starting or shipped out on loan) yes all managers make bad signings but Slade makes more bad then good , Malky and Jones made much better signings with the latter having no money to spend and using the loan market and signing quality on the cheap
Sorry you cannot sweep under the carpet the poor signings of Dave Jones and Malky McKay. MM signed Andreas Cornelius and Peter Odemwingie and wasted at least £10m. Slade signed Alex Revell and Eion Doyle which at most cost £1m so the assumption Slade is worse than MM is absurd.
Jones signed a full starting 11 of duffers (listed a few the other day and that was just his strikers) and also wasted money paying dead beats Robbie Fowler and JFH.
As for utilising the loan market I would point out Lex is on loanand Dave Jones was the manager who ended Danny Drinkwater's (whatever happened to him
) loan early (boy he knew a player when he saw one).
Finally on midfield players didn't Slade sign Stuart O'Keefe?![]()
As for sweeping Malky/Jones signings , I didn't sweep them under the carpet "all managers make bad signings" I pointed out that Slade makes more bad than good , and regards to Jones and Malky they made bad signings but both still made the playoffs (or won the league ) despite the bad signings hence they must of made more good than bad
Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:52 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:He did sign O'keefe didn't play him for most of the season until forced to through injury and wwhen he is in his best form drops him after just 2 games after international breakTony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote: With regards to Immers yes he's a good signing but most of his players have been duds (hence most not starting or shipped out on loan) yes all managers make bad signings but Slade makes more bad then good , Malky and Jones made much better signings with the latter having no money to spend and using the loan market and signing quality on the cheap
Sorry you cannot sweep under the carpet the poor signings of Dave Jones and Malky McKay. MM signed Andreas Cornelius and Peter Odemwingie and wasted at least £10m. Slade signed Alex Revell and Eion Doyle which at most cost £1m so the assumption Slade is worse than MM is absurd.
Jones signed a full starting 11 of duffers (listed a few the other day and that was just his strikers) and also wasted money paying dead beats Robbie Fowler and JFH.
As for utilising the loan market I would point out Lex is on loanand Dave Jones was the manager who ended Danny Drinkwater's (whatever happened to him
) loan early (boy he knew a player when he saw one).
Finally on midfield players didn't Slade sign Stuart O'Keefe?![]()
As for sweeping Malky/Jones signings , I didn't sweep them under the carpet "all managers make bad signings" I pointed out that Slade makes more bad than good , and regards to Jones and Malky they made bad signings but both still made the playoffs (or won the league ) despite the bad signings hence they must of made more good than bad
O'Keefe is a Slade signing and he is a member of the first team squad, hence he plays when 'fit' and available. Malky and Jones rotated their squads sometimes it worked other times it didn't. With regard to Fulham nobody yet has explained how playing O'Keefe (when not match fit) would have prevented either goals which were due to defensive lapses.![]()
Slade has taken League 1 teams to the play-offs a couple of times and did it using far less resources than MM or Jones had. This is still his first full season in charge and if we finish 7th it will be one place lower than MM achieved. Jones needed several attempts before getting us there including the pathetic 2009 season and the six nil Preston gate scandal. Just how you can put him above Slade is baffling.
also he still has never won promotion after getting there with lower level teams so I don't see how you think he can possibly take us up next season we will have exactly the same season we will come up short as he's not good enoughTue Apr 12, 2016 12:55 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:He did sign O'keefe didn't play him for most of the season until forced to through injury and wwhen he is in his best form drops him after just 2 games after international breakTony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote: With regards to Immers yes he's a good signing but most of his players have been duds (hence most not starting or shipped out on loan) yes all managers make bad signings but Slade makes more bad then good , Malky and Jones made much better signings with the latter having no money to spend and using the loan market and signing quality on the cheap
Sorry you cannot sweep under the carpet the poor signings of Dave Jones and Malky McKay. MM signed Andreas Cornelius and Peter Odemwingie and wasted at least £10m. Slade signed Alex Revell and Eion Doyle which at most cost £1m so the assumption Slade is worse than MM is absurd.
Jones signed a full starting 11 of duffers (listed a few the other day and that was just his strikers) and also wasted money paying dead beats Robbie Fowler and JFH.
As for utilising the loan market I would point out Lex is on loanand Dave Jones was the manager who ended Danny Drinkwater's (whatever happened to him
) loan early (boy he knew a player when he saw one).
Finally on midfield players didn't Slade sign Stuart O'Keefe?![]()
As for sweeping Malky/Jones signings , I didn't sweep them under the carpet "all managers make bad signings" I pointed out that Slade makes more bad than good , and regards to Jones and Malky they made bad signings but both still made the playoffs (or won the league ) despite the bad signings hence they must of made more good than bad
O'Keefe is a Slade signing and he is a member of the first team squad, hence he plays when 'fit' and available. Malky and Jones rotated their squads sometimes it worked other times it didn't. With regard to Fulham nobody yet has explained how playing O'Keefe (when not match fit) would have prevented either goals which were due to defensive lapses.![]()
Slade has taken League 1 teams to the play-offs a couple of times and did it using far less resources than MM or Jones had. This is still his first full season in charge and if we finish 7th it will be one place lower than MM achieved. Jones needed several attempts before getting us there including the pathetic 2009 season and the six nil Preston gate scandal. Just how you can put him above Slade is baffling.
Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:53 pm
Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:47 pm
Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:59 pm
ThomasC wrote:I think the club has changed in regards to how the club signs players. Dave Jones & the majority of Malky signings were there own recommendations to the club.
Now it's a grey area between club signings and Slade ones. Basically, any foreign purchases are not Slade signings!
Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:10 pm
RICK+CCFC wrote:ThomasC wrote:I think the club has changed in regards to how the club signs players. Dave Jones & the majority of Malky signings were there own recommendations to the club.
Now it's a grey area between club signings and Slade ones. Basically, any foreign purchases are not Slade signings!
Dave Jones signings were all through Peter Ridsdale. I think Malky had more of a free, hands on approach, along with Moody,,,remember his dossier on players? Both managers had their successes, & their failures in the transfer market.
Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:34 pm
ThomasC wrote:RICK+CCFC wrote:ThomasC wrote:I think the club has changed in regards to how the club signs players. Dave Jones & the majority of Malky signings were there own recommendations to the club.
Now it's a grey area between club signings and Slade ones. Basically, any foreign purchases are not Slade signings!
Dave Jones signings were all through Peter Ridsdale. I think Malky had more of a free, hands on approach, along with Moody,,,remember his dossier on players? Both managers had their successes, & their failures in the transfer market.
Yes, Malky/Moody signings were brilliant at this level, absolute disaster the level up from where we are![]()
Dave Jones is prob the last manager that could add value to a signing in the transfer market, I can only think of Mason actually increasing value in the TM as a Malky signing
Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:52 pm