Sam today

A lot of mixed emotions with Sam hamman in the city end today, hugs from some insults from others what's your take ?

shouldnt have been anywhere near the club in my opinion. i know a few will disagree

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shouldnt have been anywhere near the club in my opinion. i know a few will disagree

I agree with you mate ,lied and gambled with the very existence of our club

Is Carl wearing Kickers ?

I was surprised to see him.

It's like bringing divorce proceedings against your wife then, when the divorce is over, turning up uninvited to the reception when she remarries!

don't condone the actions of those who were having a go at him at the end of the day but i can certainly understand where they were coming from.

After the way he treated the club he surely can't have expected everyone to want a handshake and a selfie.

Didn't see Choo and Dalman coming round for a chat with him either.

Tickled me kickers

Suppose he has the money now to fly in when he wants.

Lets be honest he started it all, without him we would still be struggling in the lower leagues most likely. He could have been a legend but I struggle to believe a truth has ever come from his mouth. His debt leave with him? he isn't Langston? he cares more about money than our club but we cant blame him for that I guess.

He talked the talk and had most people fooled.

I guess where as Tan talks most rubbish but has actually invested in the club.

Tickled me kickers

One thing you can't deny is he has the most incredible eyebrows I've ever seen

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One thing you can't deny is he has the most incredible eyebrows I've ever seen

You'd have thought with all that money burning a hole in his pocket he'd be able to afford a pair of clippers.

Or maybe he could have issued a loan note to Langston for a pair.

One thing you can't deny is he has the most incredible eyebrows I've ever seen

You'd have thought with all that money burning a hole in his pocket he'd be able to afford a pair of clippers.

Or maybe he could have issued a loan note to Langston for a pair.

That's where he stashes all his money.

One thing you can't deny is he has the most incredible eyebrows I've ever seen

Clearly you didn't see Len Ashurst's then.....

Tickled me kickers

Thank christ for that. My eyesight ain't what it was - I thought you said 'knickers'.

If you don't like him, ignore him. I did.

Throwing insults and berating an old man at the football is a nonsense, he may have fucked over the club but you can't change history and we are no longer tied to him anymore. As far as i;m concerned he can come and watch us whenever he wants and shouldn't be abused for it. I don't like him by the way but I also don't like bullies who throw insults at the elderly.

If you don't like him, ignore him. I did.

Throwing insults and berating an old man at the football is a nonsense, he may have fucked over the club but you can't change history and we are no longer tied to him anymore. As far as i;m concerned he can come and watch us whenever he wants and shouldn't be abused for it. I don't like him by the way but I also don't like bullies who throw insults at the elderly.

Seconded.

Some don't like him, fair enough. But they've got to remember and respect that there are a lot of people around who do like him. He should be able to go to a football match without having abuse being thrown at him.

He clearly loves football, I would bet anything that Tan won't come and watch us when he's not our owner anymore.

We all have different opinions.

Some don't like him, fair enough. But they've got to remember and respect that there are a lot of people around who do like him. He should be able to go to a football match without having abuse being thrown at him.

He clearly loves football, I would bet anything that Tan won't come and watch us when he's not our owner anymore.

We all have different opinions.

No doubt Tan won't.
But I'd bet Tan will leave us financially sound, where as Sam did anything and everything in his power to get every penny he could from us.

People forget what Langston put us through and the costs it brought to our club before Tan when we were struggling.
I'd trust Tan to do best by out club over Sam anyday.

Some don't like him, fair enough. But they've got to remember and respect that there are a lot of people around who do like him. He should be able to go to a football match without having abuse being thrown at him.

He clearly loves football, I would bet anything that Tan won't come and watch us when he's not our owner anymore.

We all have different opinions.

No doubt Tan won't.
But I'd bet Tan will leave us financially sound, where as Sam did anything and everything in his power to get every penny he could from us.

People forget what Langston put us through and the costs it brought to our club before Tan when we were struggling.
I'd trust Tan to do best by out club over Sam anyday.

Agree

If you don't like him, ignore him. I did.

Throwing insults and berating an old man at the football is a nonsense, he may have fucked over the club but you can't change history and we are no longer tied to him anymore. As far as i;m concerned he can come and watch us whenever he wants and shouldn't be abused for it. I don't like him by the way but I also don't like bullies who throw insults at the elderly.

Agree!

I didn't see him there myself but I wouldn't have had nothing to say to him if I did.

What sort of abuse did he get? Was it just the odd few digs or was it really threatening?

Can't understand why he comes to games after what he has done

His refusal to come clean and confirm he was Langston shows he has no respect for our club

And did he have special seats today away from the real fans?

What sort of abuse did he get? Was it just the odd few digs or was it really threatening?

There was talk of some comments being made, but all I saw was a few people shaking his hand and others (from afar) pointing in his general direction asking "Is that Sam Hammam?" but no major abuse or over lauding of the man to my knowledge and he appeared to be left to watch the game in relative peace (hot drink in hand)

I say. Ask Sam to donate some of his Langstone cash to cardiff charity, simplest. Forgiveness is not hard when others are struggling on a day to day level guys.

What sort of abuse did he get? Was it just the odd few digs or was it really threatening?

there was talk of some comments being made, but all I saw was a few people shaking his hand and others (from afar) pointing in his general direction asking "Is that Sam Hammam?" but no major abuse or over lauding of the man to my knowledge and he appeared to be left to watch the game in relative peace (hot drink in hand)

That sounds much more accurate Sam can handle a few digs anyway. Successful people are not made out of glass

What sort of abuse did he get? Was it just the odd few digs or was it really threatening?

there was talk of some comments being made, but all I saw was a few people shaking his hand and others (from afar) pointing in his general direction asking "Is that Sam Hammam?" but no major abuse or over lauding of the man to my knowledge and he appeared to be left to watch the game in relative peace (hot drink in hand)

That sounds much more accurate Sam can handle a few digs anyway. Successful people are not made out of glass

You're right, ThomasC

Sam (and members of his family, who sat quietly further up the stand not too far from where I was) appeared happy just to be there and didn't visibly look to be trying to milk his presence

It is always easy to point to specific circumstances and apportion blame.

However, the way I look it is this. If we take as given the club will be debt free in 2021 then we can judge the period 2000-2021 as a complete success. In 2000 Sam Hammam turned up at CCFC as we got used to life again in the Fourth Division. His stated plan was to build a new stadium and make the club debt free.

By 2021 that will have been achieved. Of course others have contributed and the Lion's share has come from Vincent Tan.

That's why unlike 99% of other fans I admire both Sam Hammam and Vincent Tan because without either the new stadium project and the long term outlook would-not be bright. Both men are out of pocket (Sam received no return on his £24m over a 12 year period) and VT is highly unlikely to ever see the most of his again.

If there were pantomime villains during that period then it was Peter Ridsdale/PMG. Both took cost the club a substantial amount of money and despite their self-proclaimed boasts their involvement in the stadium project was both peripheral and costly.

It is always easy to point to specific circumstances and apportion blame.

However, the way I look it is this. If we take as given the club will be debt free in 2021 then we can judge the period 2000-2021 as a complete success. In 2000 Sam Hammam turned up at CCFC as we got used to life again in the Fourth Division. His stated plan was to build a new stadium and make the club debt free.

By 2021 that will have been achieved. Of course others have contributed and the Lion's share has come from Vincent Tan.

That's why unlike 99% of other fans I admire both Sam Hammam and Vincent Tan because without either the new stadium project and the long term outlook would-not be bright. Both men are out of pocket (Sam received no return on his £24m over a 12 year period) and VT is highly unlikely to ever see the most of his again.

If there were pantomime villains during that period then it was Peter Ridsdale/PMG. Both took cost the club a substantial amount of money and despite their self-proclaimed boasts their involvement in the stadium project was both peripheral and costly.

Tony I agree with you on all points apart from the last bit.

The involvement of both Peter Ridsdale ( who I think should never again have been allowed to have a role in football after what he did to us and other clubs) and PMG was far from peripheral, it was vital to make the new stadium a reality. Under Sam the project was dead in the water and would have remained so if he had not been forced out of the club ( in a way which I believe was underhand and callous mind). PMG put up the money and financial guarantees and also got the retail park development plans back on their feet after a period when it was going nowhere and Ridsdale pursuaded the Council to support the plan after they said they wouldn't if Sam stayed.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought Sam drew a salary of £500,000 a year when he was in charge of the City, it was hardly no financial gain during his time here.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought Sam drew a salary of £500,000 a year when he was in charge of the City, it was hardly no financial gain during his time here.

That was in the money he has had recently done very well out of us