A theory about our strikers

Under Russell Slade's management, we have had a glut of strikers either that he inherited a a manager or which he signed himself. Many of them have since moved on , permanently or on loan as they were simply not performing or were not given
N a chance to perform here. Of those that remain here, most show patchy form or are seldom included in the team or even the squad of 18.

Many of the strikers we signed did well at their previous clubs and I had quite high hopes at the time that they would do well for us.

Could it be that none of the strikers or attacking widemen have anyone to look up to in the management and coaching teams to give them advice as to how to improve their game( the same May be true to a lesser extent in other areas of the team as well) ? Nobody on the touch line or at the club has played as a forward at any decent level of the game so how can they pass on first hand knowledge? At the recent meeting with fans Russell Slade said that you didn't need to be a striker to coach strikers. I disagree. It may be possible to get away without that at lower levels, but not at Championship level or if you have aspirations to play even higher.

If I was either an experienced striker or a promising striker joining the club I think I would be totally underwhelmed by the quality of the people coaching me in my specialist playing position and be given no guidance or inspiration to improve my game.

If CCFC could employ someone like Craig Bellamy in a coaching role it would solve that attitude problem at a stroke as he has " been there,done that" at the highest level. The cost involved in employing him would be more than covered by savings in striker transfer fees we have wasted plus a far quicker development of younger players with potential that could generate furure transfer income.

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

There may be some merit in what you are proposing but the fly in the ointment is Kenwyn Jones.

No amount of coaching is going to turn him around. He's had lots of posters singing his praise in the past but that was when they had nobody to compare him to. Now Watt is here Kenwyn's inherent faults are highlighted even more.

He's lazy and doesn't really give a damn. I think he believes that Slad wouldn't ever leave him out so the sooner he goes the better. Let's have a new, eager face with some degree of pace to work alongside Watt. If that happened it wouldn't be long at all before Kenwyn is forgotten all about.

As I walked away from MK Dons ground last night I heard two MK supporters talking about Jones and even they were saying he was ineffective and a lazy tw*t (their words not mine).

He's beyond coaching believe me!

There may be some merit in what you are proposing but the fly in the ointment is Kenwyn Jones.

No amount of coaching is going to turn him around. He's had lots of posters singing his praise in the past but that was when they had nobody to compare him to. Now Watt is here Kenwyn's inherent faults are highlighted even more.

He's lazy and doesn't really give a damn. I think he believes that Slad wouldn't ever leave him out so the sooner he goes the better. Let's have a new, eager face with some degree of pace to work alongside Watt. If that happened it wouldn't be long at all before Kenwyn is forgotten all about.

As I walked away from MK Dons ground last night I heard two MK supporters talking about Jones and even they were saying he was ineffective and a lazy tw*t (their words not mine).

He's beyond coaching believe me!

Agree.

At our club we have 4 fit strikers who consistently put a shift in. They are Watt, Revell, Le Fondre and Doyle. Le Fondre and Doyle are loaned out so that only leaves us with Watt and Revell who we can depend on to always give their all for us.

Revell isn't a prolific goal scorer at Championship level so although we can always rely on Revell for effort, it's only Watt we can 100% rely on for effort and being a goal threat.

Our other strikers, Jones, Mason and Macheda cannot be relied on to consistently give 100% for us every game. These strikers are our problem.

Jones is the main reason we have lost our last 2 games. We will never consistently threaten up front with Kenwyne Jones leading our line the entire season, as he only puts in effort when he chooses to. If it was up to me, I would get shot of Jones, Mason and Macheda asap and replace them with strikers who we can depend on to give 100% every game of the season.

The same goes for all other positions, we won the Championship by 8 points because Malky assembled a squad with the correct character, who gave their all every game and this is what gave us the consistency to pick up enough points to win the league.

At our club we have 4 fit strikers who consistently put a shift in. They are Watt, Revell, Le Fondre and Doyle. Le Fondre and Doyle are loaned out so that only leaves us with Watt and Revell who we can depend on to always give their all for us.

Revell isn't a prolific goal scorer at Championship level so although we can always rely on Revell for effort, it's only Watt we can 100% rely on for effort and being a goal threat.

Our other strikers, Jones, Mason and Macheda cannot be relied on to consistently give 100% for us every game. These strikers are our problem.

Jones is the main reason we have lost our last 2 games. We will never consistently threaten up front with Kenwyne Jones leading our line the entire season, as he only puts in effort when he chooses to. If it was up to me, I would get shot of Jones, Mason and Macheda asap and replace them with strikers who we can depend on to give 100% every game of the season.

The same goes for all other positions, we won the Championship by 8 points because Malky assembled a squad with the correct character, who gave their all every game and this is what gave us the consistency to pick up enough points to win the league.

And you can add Ameobi to that list.

The theory is worth considering but the rest is plain wrong (IMO)

We are not comparing like for like. Jones is a big unit, he is not a runner like Watt. I bet he does more KM's than both centre halfs, not difficult but its not his game. I want him to leave because of the style of play he forces us to employ, but that is how he plays, he is getting older so why are we suddenly expecting him to run around like Frazier Campbell or Tony Watt.
Do you feel he runs less than Jay did ?

Ameobi is not a wide midfielder, he came here as a 433 forward who Newcastle wanted to see if he could be a centre forward, that is why we had him.

Mason hasn't trained on as we expected him to do as a 20 year old.Just not good enough

At our club we have 4 fit strikers who consistently put a shift in. They are Watt, Revell, Le Fondre and Doyle. Le Fondre and Doyle are loaned out so that only leaves us with Watt and Revell who we can depend on to always give their all for us.

Revell isn't a prolific goal scorer at Championship level so although we can always rely on Revell for effort, it's only Watt we can 100% rely on for effort and being a goal threat.

Our other strikers, Jones, Mason and Macheda cannot be relied on to consistently give 100% for us every game. These strikers are our problem.

Jones is the main reason we have lost our last 2 games. We will never consistently threaten up front with Kenwyne Jones leading our line the entire season, as he only puts in effort when he chooses to. If it was up to me, I would get shot of Jones, Mason and Macheda asap and replace them with strikers who we can depend on to give 100% every game of the season.

The same goes for all other positions, we won the Championship by 8 points because Malky assembled a squad with the correct character, who gave their all every game and this is what gave us the consistency to pick up enough points to win the league.

Revell is out on loan too isn't he? Macheda frustrates me but I think he is better technically than Jones, is a very good finisher and would compliment Watt upfront.

I also think Watt in a 4-2-3-1 would be effective with someone like Jordon Mutch in the number 10 role.

Revell is back from loan on personal reasons! He's really not good enough no matter how much he runs! He offers no threat and possesses little ability! Doyle was scoring at league 1 level but struggling at champ! Kenwyn is rather use as an impact player, coming on to get that late goal and be a handful in the box! He doesn't offer enough in his game though!

Mason I would loan out! He's just not got the level I was personally expecting, I'd even use him as a part ex deal in January! There's not doubt we do need a striker, But looking into league 1 and 2 is not the answer! We should be looking at a loan signing from the prem league, wages wouldn't be an issue as most prem clubs just want their players having game time from Jan and generally pay a proportion of the wage!

Revell is back from loan on personal reasons! He's really not good enough no matter how much he runs! He offers no threat and possesses little ability! Doyle was scoring at league 1 level but struggling at champ! Kenwyn is rather use as an impact player, coming on to get that late goal and be a handful in the box! He doesn't offer enough in his game though!

Mason I would loan out! He's just not got the level I was personally expecting, I'd even use him as a part ex deal in January! There's not doubt we do need a striker, But looking into league 1 and 2 is not the answer! We should be looking at a loan signing from the prem league, wages wouldn't be an issue as most prem clubs just want their players having game time from Jan and generally pay a proportion of the wage!

Revell Jones Ameobi and Mason can all go.

Revell is back from loan on personal reasons! He's really not good enough no matter how much he runs! He offers no threat and possesses little ability! Doyle was scoring at league 1 level but struggling at champ! Kenwyn is rather use as an impact player, coming on to get that late goal and be a handful in the box! He doesn't offer enough in his game though!

Mason I would loan out! He's just not got the level I was personally expecting, I'd even use him as a part ex deal in January! There's not doubt we do need a striker, But looking into league 1 and 2 is not the answer! We should be looking at a loan signing from the prem league, wages wouldn't be an issue as most prem clubs just want their players having game time from Jan and generally pay a proportion of the wage!

I agree you can run all you want but when don't have the ability to play at this level then its futile & Ravell is nothing more than a lower league clumsy journeyman!

With what we currently have in watt, I feel he's currently Decent enough for us to change formation and play 4231. Slade wouldn't do this but i feel it would give us a better platform than trying to Accommodate Jones, or mason or revell etc...

---------------------Marshall---------------------
Peltier--------manga--------Connolly------Fabio
----------------gunnarsson--Ralls -----------------
------------noone---pilkington--Kennedy--------
----------------------watt--------------------------

Ameobi should be sent back to toon town, and Kennedy brought in who was exciting and game changing at the end of last season.

There may be some merit in what you are proposing but the fly in the ointment is Kenwyn Jones.

No amount of coaching is going to turn him around. He's had lots of posters singing his praise in the past but that was when they had nobody to compare him to. Now Watt is here Kenwyn's inherent faults are highlighted even more.

He's lazy and doesn't really give a damn. I think he believes that Slad wouldn't ever leave him out so the sooner he goes the better. Let's have a new, eager face with some degree of pace to work alongside Watt. If that happened it wouldn't be long at all before Kenwyn is forgotten all about.

As I walked away from MK Dons ground last night I heard two MK supporters talking about Jones and even they were saying he was ineffective and a lazy tw*t (their words not mine).

He's beyond coaching believe me!

Spot on mate

With what we currently have in watt, I feel he's currently Decent enough for us to change formation and play 4231. Slade wouldn't do this but i feel it would give us a better platform than trying to Accommodate Jones, or mason or revell etc...

---------------------Marshall---------------------
Peltier--------manga--------Connolly------Fabio
----------------gunnarsson--Ralls -----------------
------------noone---pilkington--Kennedy--------
----------------------watt--------------------------

Ameobi should be sent back to toon town, and Kennedy brought in who was exciting and game changing at the end of last season.

I've thought a few times about Pilkington playing in the number 10 role and think he would be suited to it

With what we currently have in watt, I feel he's currently Decent enough for us to change formation and play 4231. Slade wouldn't do this but i feel it would give us a better platform than trying to Accommodate Jones, or mason or revell etc...

---------------------Marshall---------------------
Peltier--------manga--------Connolly------Fabio
----------------gunnarsson--Ralls -----------------
------------noone---pilkington--Kennedy--------
----------------------watt--------------------------

Ameobi should be sent back to toon town, and Kennedy brought in who was exciting and game changing at the end of last season.

I've thought a few times about Pilkington playing in the number 10 role and think he would be suited to it

I hope not i get giddy watching him do a 270 degree pirouette every time he gets the ball...

With what we currently have in watt, I feel he's currently Decent enough for us to change formation and play 4231. Slade wouldn't do this but i feel it would give us a better platform than trying to Accommodate Jones, or mason or revell etc...

---------------------Marshall---------------------
Peltier--------manga--------Connolly------Fabio
----------------gunnarsson--Ralls -----------------
------------noone---pilkington--Kennedy--------
----------------------watt--------------------------

Ameobi should be sent back to toon town, and Kennedy brought in who was exciting and game changing at the end of last season.

I've thought a few times about Pilkington playing in the number 10 role and think he would be suited to it

I hope not i get giddy watching him do a 270 degree pirouette every time he gets the ball...

first goal come from him trying a turn yesterday, I like him, but don't think he's suited to 442

With what we currently have in watt, I feel he's currently Decent enough for us to change formation and play 4231. Slade wouldn't do this but i feel it would give us a better platform than trying to Accommodate Jones, or mason or revell etc...

---------------------Marshall---------------------
Peltier--------manga--------Connolly------Fabio
----------------gunnarsson--Ralls -----------------
------------noone---pilkington--Kennedy--------
----------------------watt--------------------------

Ameobi should be sent back to toon town, and Kennedy brought in who was exciting and game changing at the end of last season.

You'd play 3 wingers as centre midfielders glad you aren't in charge fook me sideways

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

Taking everything into account, DJ was a good manager and that is the main difference here!

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

Taking everything into account, DJ was a good manager and that is the main difference here!

All things being considered, & I think the relevant point to the original post, is that Dave Jones had a First Division pedigree, & so did his Number two at the time, Terry Burton. Unfortunately, as a Football club we now have a Second & Third division management/coaching team, who, on recent performances & results, appear to have run out of Ideas, if indeed they ever had any in the first place.

With what we currently have in watt, I feel he's currently Decent enough for us to change formation and play 4231. Slade wouldn't do this but i feel it would give us a better platform than trying to Accommodate Jones, or mason or revell etc...

---------------------Marshall---------------------
Peltier--------manga--------Connolly------Fabio
----------------gunnarsson--Ralls -----------------
------------noone---pilkington--Kennedy--------
----------------------watt--------------------------

Ameobi should be sent back to toon town, and Kennedy brought in who was exciting and game changing at the end of last season.

You'd play 3 wingers as centre midfielders glad you aren't in charge fook me sideways

Look at it again.....
It's a 5 man midfield giving us an extra creative player instead of Kenwyn Jones. Can be adapted into different shapes. Pilk can play the 10 role and noone & Kennedy as the wingers supporting the striker! we still have 2 central midfielders the same as now. You obviously don't watch much football!

The club should bring in a known manager who will draw in big names.

The club should bring in a known manager who will draw in big names.

However we want to reduce the debt.

The club should bring in a known manager who will draw in big names.

However we want to reduce the debt.

Agreed.We don't want to waste more money on expensive players coming here for a final big pay day.What we need is a management team that can inspire the players we have and be an attraction to the less costly promising players who a may be on the fringes of a Premier team squad.
Unfortunately we have a manager who seems devoid of inspirational skill and an assistant manager who,if he was a lightbulb,wouldnt be bright enough to light up a small broom cupboard

The club should bring in a known manager who will draw in big names.

However we want to reduce the debt.

The club needs to win itself out of debt. The only realistic way of solving the financial situation is by getting promoted and using Sky money to pay it down. If you think a £180m+ debt can be dealt with whilst the club lingers in the Championship then sadly you're as deluded as the government trying to use trivial cuts to address the country's financial situation. Cardiff's situation is simple, it needs to roll the dice and gamble on promotion. The club has already made numerous cut backs and the more it makes the more realistic relegation is also as players of quality will be replaced with young kids. Sometimes this works but sometimes it does not. Its a gamble in itself. Better to gamble at the top end than the bottom.

The club should bring in a known manager who will draw in big names.

However we want to reduce the debt.

The club needs to win itself out of debt. The only realistic way of solving the financial situation is by getting promoted and using Sky money to pay it down. If you think a £180m+ debt can be dealt with whilst the club lingers in the Championship then sadly you're as deluded as the government trying to use trivial cuts to address the country's financial situation. Cardiff's situation is simple, it needs to roll the dice and gamble on promotion. The club has already made numerous cut backs and the more it makes the more realistic relegation is also as players of quality will be replaced with young kids. Sometimes this works but sometimes it does not. Its a gamble in itself. Better to gamble at the top end than the bottom.

Brilliant idea apart from financial fair play rules that championship clubs must adhere to.

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

Paul Wilkinson was on our books as a coach for quite a while.

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

Paul Wilkinson was on our books as a coach for quite a while.

And as someone else has pointed out in this thread, a management team who between them had played managed and coached at the top level.
And we now have Russell Slade and Scott Young.
If you were a decent Championship player, which of those options would you respect the better?

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

Paul Wilkinson was on our books as a coach for quite a while.

And as someone else has pointed out in this thread, a management team who between them had played managed and coached at the top level.
And we now have Russell Slade and Scott Young.
If you were a decent Championship player, which of those options would you respect the better?

Kenwyne Jones, Macheda and Adam le Fondre have played at the top level.

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

Paul Wilkinson was on our books as a coach for quite a while.

And as someone else has pointed out in this thread, a management team who between them had played managed and coached at the top level.
And we now have Russell Slade and Scott Young.
If you were a decent Championship player, which of those options would you respect the better?

Kenwyne Jones, Macheda and Adam le Fondre have played at the top level.

Which reinforces my point.

They probably feel that the management team can teach them nothing. A very poor attitude, but you can see their point.

Who did we have under DJ when Chopra and McCormack were banging them in? Or under various managers when Earnie was banging them in?

Paul Wilkinson was on our books as a coach for quite a while.

And as someone else has pointed out in this thread, a management team who between them had played managed and coached at the top level.
And we now have Russell Slade and Scott Young.
If you were a decent Championship player, which of those options would you respect the better?

Kenwyne Jones, Macheda and Adam le Fondre have played at the top level.

Which reinforces my point.

They probably feel that the management team can teach them nothing. A very poor attitude, but you can see their point.

But they should be able to play at that level. You can't blame Slade for all the chances le Fondre missed or for Kenwyne's lack of effort.