Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:10 pm
Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:11 pm
Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:15 pm
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Apart from EXPERIENCE.
Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:18 pm
balkanblue wrote:Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Apart from EXPERIENCE.
There are numerous managers without experience who've gone into the game and have done well. There's plenty of managers with a CV full of experience, like Moyes, who've flopped the moment they went elsewhere. It is less to do with experience and more to do with whether or not you're the right fit with the club, at the right time and willing to commit and buy into it 100%. I'd rather Bellamy build his experience with us like Ferguson did at United and give him time, as he's a young manager, than stick with Slade, who hasn't got a clue.
Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:22 pm
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Ferguson managed Aberdeen to the title as well as Scotland before United. To say he had no experience before United is a lie. I would like to see Bellamy cut his teeth elsewhere then have a crack at the City.
Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:22 pm
Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:36 pm
balkanblue wrote:1) Passion and never say die attitude
2) Played for the club
3) Good understanding of the game - tactically aware
4) Hair
5) Known quantity who is respected in the football world for his work rate and dedication
6) Won't be a pushover - will get the respect of the dressing room
7) Good links in the footballing world due to his time as a player - transfer market
8) A Welshman who will take pride in managing the club
Also, before someone says Slade has more experience, that's irrelevant. Pep Guardiola had no experience before taking over at Barcelona and was able to manage world class players with big egos. He rose to the challenge, as have many other managers with no or little coaching experience, and its my belief that Bellamy would as well. Much like Neville, he has throughout his career been an arduous student of the game. He has studied it meticulously to a level many other players didn't. This is exactly the type of person we need moving forward.
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:38 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant?![]()
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:40 pm
balkanblue wrote:1) Passion and never say die attitude
2) Played for the club
3) Good understanding of the game - tactically aware
4) Hair
5) Known quantity who is respected in the football world for his work rate and dedication
6) Won't be a pushover - will get the respect of the dressing room
7) Good links in the footballing world due to his time as a player - transfer market
8) A Welshman who will take pride in managing the club
Also, before someone says Slade has more experience, that's irrelevant. Pep Guardiola had no experience before taking over at Barcelona and was able to manage world class players with big egos. He rose to the challenge, as have many other managers with no or little coaching experience, and its my belief that Bellamy would as well. Much like Neville, he has throughout his career been an arduous student of the game. He has studied it meticulously to a level many other players didn't. This is exactly the type of person we need
Its a risk worth taking to be honest.![]()
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:54 pm
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:You are an inglorious fraud! Earlier this evening you were wittering on about how you would never replace Bellamy with Slade. You constantly express yourself in outdated cliches and soundbites!
This obsession with passion and grit is hilarious, you should attend more games and read about the game less, it's a sport of action not just observation. What is passion? What is grit?
Passion I presume is the ability to emote enthusiasm, a spirit of desire to succeed, a belonging to an entity that will never reflect the financial reward for doing so. Get real! Most professionals are passionate about what they do, they are amply rewarded from a young age for doing something they love and are good at. By grit, I presume you mean tenacity, most professional who have had a great career after joining a club as a teenager, succeeding against a lot of odds, after overcoming serious, career threatening injuries will have expressed tenacity.
You fail to mention vision, the capacity to envisage the style of play and personnel that brings success. You fail to mention the ability to articulate that vision to staff, players and supporters so that they fully engage with your plans and expectations. You fail to mention the capacity to recruit and motivate palyers and staff that fit into your vision of what represents a successful football team. You fail to mention the ability to have the tactical acumen to counteract well organised and skilful opponents and obviously the luck required to succeed sometimes in such a competitive sport.
Grow up, buy a ticket and support! Stop trying to be such a smart arse, you are not as clever as you think you are! This not about your ego, it's about supporting the club you were born to support!
Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:01 am
balkanblue wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant?![]()
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What experience did Pep Guardiola have before taking the job at Barcelona and delivering trophy after trophy? None.
Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:04 am
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:balkanblue wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant?![]()
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What experience did Pep Guardiola have before taking the job at Barcelona and delivering trophy after trophy? None.
He was coaching at Barcelona and became manager of the B team. He was immersed in the culture of the club. the same cannot be said for Bellamy.
Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:08 am
balkanblue wrote:Bluebird since 1948 wrote:balkanblue wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant?![]()
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What experience did Pep Guardiola have before taking the job at Barcelona and delivering trophy after trophy? None.
He was coaching at Barcelona and became manager of the B team. He was immersed in the culture of the club. the same cannot be said for Bellamy.
Fair point. What if Bellamy was given a more junior role before taking over full time then?
Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:50 am
Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:49 pm
polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.
What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?
He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.
Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.
Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:24 pm
Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:07 pm
balkanblue wrote:1) Passion and never say die attitude
2) Played for the club
3) Good understanding of the game - tactically aware
4) Hair
5) Known quantity who is respected in the football world for his work rate and dedication
6) Won't be a pushover - will get the respect of the dressing room
7) Good links in the footballing world due to his time as a player - transfer market
8) A Welshman who will take pride in managing the club
(9) HAIR
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Also, before someone says Slade has more experience, that's irrelevant. Pep Guardiola had no experience before taking over at Barcelona and was able to manage world class players with big egos. He rose to the challenge, as have many other managers with no or little coaching experience, and its my belief that Bellamy would as well. Much like Neville, he has throughout his career been an arduous student of the game. He has studied it meticulously to a level many other players didn't. This is exactly the type of person we need moving forward.
Its a risk worth taking to be honest.![]()
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:52 am
Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:39 pm
balkanblue wrote:Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Ferguson managed Aberdeen to the title as well as Scotland before United. To say he had no experience before United is a lie. I would like to see Bellamy cut his teeth elsewhere then have a crack at the City.
I didn't say he had no experience, and I knew he managed at Aberdeen, but he spent years and years at United before winning anything. He was still learning at United and he also got incredibly lucky as he was close to facing the axe. The difference is Ferguson had the required raw attributes to become a great and they stuck by him. United became his family and that became an unbreakable thing. We must do the same with Bellamy and create a them and us culture.
Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:41 pm
polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.
What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?
He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.
Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.
Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:32 pm
smakerzthebluebird wrote:polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.
What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?
He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.
Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.
I dork disagree with this however how long would it take for our fans to jump on him if we were bottom half after 10 games flirting with relegation
All well and good saying in this league he could build up his knowledge and learn with us our fans wouldn't give him that time as we expect miracles in minutes
Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:38 pm
polo wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.
What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?
He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.
Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.
I dork disagree with this however how long would it take for our fans to jump on him if we were bottom half after 10 games flirting with relegation
All well and good saying in this league he could build up his knowledge and learn with us our fans wouldn't give him that time as we expect miracles in minutes
You may be right Smacko but not in my case. I have no burning desire to get back to the Premier League so id back Bellamy with a 5 year plan to change this club from top to bottom. Build a style of play, a philosophy and implement this onto the first team, the development and the academy.
I do realise that not many would be in that boat and that kind of time is not afforded to managers these days.
Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:46 pm
for now
Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:00 pm
ACE OF CLUBS wrote:polo wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.
What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?
He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.
Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.
I dork disagree with this however how long would it take for our fans to jump on him if we were bottom half after 10 games flirting with relegation
All well and good saying in this league he could build up his knowledge and learn with us our fans wouldn't give him that time as we expect miracles in minutes
You may be right Smacko but not in my case. I have no burning desire to get back to the Premier League so id back Bellamy with a 5 year plan to change this club from top to bottom. Build a style of play, a philosophy and implement this onto the first team, the development and the academy.
I do realise that not many would be in that boat and that kind of time is not afforded to managers these days.
Let's get this right, you would give someone with zero managerial experience a five year deal
Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:09 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:14 pm
ACE OF CLUBS wrote:It's ok to say your wrong on a 5 year deal![]()
12 month sounds better I agree, if it ever happens
Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:17 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:24 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:41 pm
European Blue wrote:HaHa, sorry to interrupt but major u-turn and backtrack from Polo again, within the space of minutes Polo you've gone from a 5 year deal to a 12 month rolling contract. Thank god your not in charge of finances at Cardiff City, you would have given Slade a 10 year contract![]()
Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:04 pm