Stop blaming Marshall!

I didn't see the incident as I looked away for a split second, but everyone around me at the game said he kicked out and everyone on my bus on the way home said he kicked out, so I was slating him on the way home myself. However, after seeing it again on TV, it was a ridiculous decision. Derbyshire committed the foul by pulling Marshall around 360 degrees and all Marshall tried to do was shrug Derbyshire away. Marshall never lashed out to strike Derbyshire and it was never a sending off. Disappointingly, Derbyshire gestured to the referee that Marshall kicked out at him. Derbyshire should be fined and suspended himself for cheating and the referee should be dropped a few divisions for allowing Derbyshire to manipulate him to give that shocking decision.

The team and manager need to take the blame for yesterday. Slade gave most of you your wish by starting our "better players" in Noone and Ameobi. Nothing wrong with that, but Ameobi is never a target man and he had to sacrifice his normal game by playing in Kenwyne's position, he worked hard but wasn't a threat as he was playing with his back to goal and couldn't run at players from deep. I also think it's always a risk playing Noone away from home as his defensive game isn't very good and it may have been better sticking with Pilkington.

Rotherham were the better team before Marshall got sent off and I thought Slade should have reacted to the sending off by bringing Gunnarsson on for Whittingham to jam things up. Let's be honest, we were on the back foot for pretty much the whole game and with a player less, it was always going to be an uphill task, even against bottom of the league Rotherham. Kenwyne was then brought on for Noone and Ameobi, who had nothing left in the tank after being isolated up front on his own was switched to Noone's position on the right wing. Ameobi hasn't played a full 90 minutes this season, he worked hard up front on his own but to then be switched to the right wing was a tough ask and the wrong decision in my opinion.

Unfortunately, despite agreeing with Kenwyne being brought on to lead the line at the time, we have to remember the summer transfer window has closed, Kenwyne hasn't secured a big money move away and from now onwards, we will see Kenwyne being his old usual lazy self. I thought Kenwyne's effort when he came on was pathetic, he offered nothing to take the pressure off us, he got brushed off the ball on occasions he should have held it up and he didn't break a sweat. Maybe Kenwyne was sulking being left on the bench as well, but after that pathetic showing, I would start Revell up front ahead of him the next game. At least we'll get maximum effort from Revell and he won't let us down, it'll give Kenwyne a kick up the backside and if we then need a goal, Jones can come on as an impact sub.

I still believe if Marshall wasn't sent off, we would have stepped things up in the second half and won, but we struggled with a man down and when Rotherham got their fortuitous winner, I had to accept it was deserved. We didn't deserve anything yesterday. It's been a poor week and although I don't think any radical changes are necessary, we still need to bounce back very quickly.

Take your blinkers off for god sake he kicked out end of that's the rules. weather he got pulled back or not

Take your blinkers off for god sake he kicked out end of, some deluded fans about online.

Have you actually seen it on TV?

Yes its here he don't kick out really some guy come from within the crowd who's happened to be in an invisible suit he then grabs marshalls leg and swings it towards Derbyshire. weather he got pulled back ot not you cant kick out. ref should of blown up for free kick to us but that' does not justify what happened imo. We are all city fans but sometimes you have to accept its OUR players fault at times.

Yes its here he don't kick out really some guy come from within the crowd who's happened to be in an invisible suit he then grabs marshalls leg and swings it towards Derbyshire. weather he got pulled back ot not you cant kick out. ref should of blown up for free kick to us but that' does not justify what happened imo Iwe all city fans but sometimes you have to accept its OUR players fault at times.

All I see is Marshall getting pulled and swivelled around there sorry. I don't think any contact was made with Derbyshire at all.

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

Like I've said, Marshall is pulled off balance and I don't think he made any contact with Derbyshire at all. If Marshall was an outfield player, he would never have been sent off for that. Derbyshire's reaction was pathetic. Definitely not a sending off for me.

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

f**k me it's a clear kick out he might be spinning but he lifts his left leg and swings it out on purpose

He's unfortunate in terms of the penalty as its not one its a free kick to us but the red card even then would have stood as under the rules of he game it's a red card

If you can't see that you may want glasses

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

Like I've said, Marshall is pulled off balance and I don't think he made any contact with Derbyshire at all. If Marshall was an outfield player, he would never have been sent off for that. Derbyshire's reaction was pathetic. Definitely not a sending off for me.

It doesn't matter if there is no contact it's violent behaviour which under the rules is a straight red card which is a pretty straight forward

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

Like I've said, Marshall is pulled off balance and I don't think he made any contact with Derbyshire at all. If Marshall was an outfield player, he would never have been sent off for that. Derbyshire's reaction was pathetic. Definitely not a sending off for me.

It doesn't matter if there is no contact it's violent behaviour which under the rules is a straight red card which is a pretty straight forward

Is it though ?
Violent behaviour is defined as brutality or use of excessive force.
Does that little flick of his foot fall into that category ?

No imho

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

Like I've said, Marshall is pulled off balance and I don't think he made any contact with Derbyshire at all. If Marshall was an outfield player, he would never have been sent off for that. Derbyshire's reaction was pathetic. Definitely not a sending off for me.

It doesn't matter if there is no contact it's violent behaviour which under the rules is a straight red card which is a pretty straight forward

Is it though ?
Violent behaviour is defined as brutality or use of excessive force.
Does that little flick of his foot fall into that category ?

No imho

Totally agree Tim, that little flick of a foot is not a kick. Bluebird 1977 and Smakerz can say I'm blinkered and need glasses all they like. Those who know me know I'm very fair with my opinions and whether Marshall was our keeper or a keeper at another team, I would have exactly the same opinion.

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

Like I've said, Marshall is pulled off balance and I don't think he made any contact with Derbyshire at all. If Marshall was an outfield player, he would never have been sent off for that. Derbyshire's reaction was pathetic. Definitely not a sending off for me.

It doesn't matter if there is no contact it's violent behaviour which under the rules is a straight red card which is a pretty straight forward

Is it though ?
Violent behaviour is defined as brutality or use of excessive force.
Does that little flick of his foot fall into that category ?

No imho

Totally agree Tim, that little flick of a foot is not a kick. Bluebird 1977 and Smakerz can say I'm blinkered and need glasses all they like. Those who know me know I'm very fair with my opinions and whether Marshall was our keeper or a keeper at another team, I would have exactly the same opinion.

You can forget the level of "violent behaviour" as it is the intent that matters and that was very clear in Marshall effort be it off balance or not. He aimed a kick at Derbyshire and that is all that was needed.

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

Like I've said, Marshall is pulled off balance and I don't think he made any contact with Derbyshire at all. If Marshall was an outfield player, he would never have been sent off for that. Derbyshire's reaction was pathetic. Definitely not a sending off for me.

It doesn't matter if there is no contact it's violent behaviour which under the rules is a straight red card which is a pretty straight forward

Is it though ?
Violent behaviour is defined as brutality or use of excessive force.
Does that little flick of his foot fall into that category ?

No imho

Totally agree Tim, that little flick of a foot is not a kick. Bluebird 1977 and Smakerz can say I'm blinkered and need glasses all they like. Those who know me know I'm very fair with my opinions and whether Marshall was our keeper or a keeper at another team, I would have exactly the same opinion.

You can forget the level of "violent behaviour" as it is the intent that matters and that was very clear in Marshall effort be it off balance or not. He aimed a kick at Derbyshire and that is all that was needed.

I really don't think that can be classed as a kick and it was definitely not a sending off offence or penalty in my opinion. Let's just agree to disagree.

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not blinkered. Marshall clearly gets pulled off balance and swivelled around 360 degrees. It's a free kick to us and Derbyshire should be booked. I've watched it several times and Marshall makes no contact with Derbyshire whatsoever in my opinion. I think it's a horrendous decision. But like I said in my OP, we weren't good enough and didn't deserve anything out of the game anyway.

TB it is very clear that Marshall went to kick Derbyshire. Just look at Marshalls left foot as he is nearly coming out of the 360 turn.

Like I've said, Marshall is pulled off balance and I don't think he made any contact with Derbyshire at all. If Marshall was an outfield player, he would never have been sent off for that. Derbyshire's reaction was pathetic. Definitely not a sending off for me.

It doesn't matter if there is no contact it's violent behaviour which under the rules is a straight red card which is a pretty straight forward

Is it though ?
Violent behaviour is defined as brutality or use of excessive force.
Does that little flick of his foot fall into that category ?

No imho

Totally agree Tim, that little flick of a foot is not a kick. Bluebird 1977 and Smakerz can say I'm blinkered and need glasses all they like. Those who know me know I'm very fair with my opinions and whether Marshall was our keeper or a keeper at another team, I would have exactly the same opinion.

You can forget the level of "violent behaviour" as it is the intent that matters and that was very clear in Marshall effort be it off balance or not. He aimed a kick at Derbyshire and that is all that was needed.

Exactly my point whether it made contact or not it's classed as violent behaviour

100% a sending off offence. That's not to say he deserved to be sent off, more proof of how ridiculous some of the current rules are. Refs should be given some discretion and be able to use common sense. Unfortunately, they have to adhere to the letter of the law, and Marshall's little tantrum left the ref with no choice. Slade won't appeal the decision because it will not be overturned. So much for being a man's game, that minor fracas would'nt even have warranted a telling off in a girls nursery school.

Lets be honest Marshall didn't help himself and the ref is just as bad.

I thought I was the only one who could see the guy come from the crowd in his supposed invisible suit grabbing marshalls leg and swinging it, thank god im not alone

As a captain you are the one meant to lead by example. OK the opposition player did wrong by winding him up but he's a thirty year old man fgs and he's our captain. It is his fault we lost yesterday

Yes its here he don't kick out really some guy come from within the crowd who's happened to be in an invisible suit he then grabs marshalls leg and swings it towards Derbyshire. weather he got pulled back ot not you cant kick out. ref should of blown up for free kick to us but that' does not justify what happened imo. We are all city fans but sometimes you have to accept its OUR players fault at times.

That video has made me even more pissed that it's a red card, he genuinely lifted his toe off the ground. Hardly violent behaviour

This, was a bigger mistake than Moore vs Fulham. He let his team down yesterday

Marshall in the wrong for kicking out.

Officials in the wrong for not seeing and acting on the foul commited on Marshall before he kicked out.

Yes its here he don't kick out really some guy come from within the crowd who's happened to be in an invisible suit he then grabs marshalls leg and swings it towards Derbyshire. weather he got pulled back ot not you cant kick out. ref should of blown up for free kick to us but that' does not justify what happened imo. We are all city fans but sometimes you have to accept its OUR players fault at times.

That video has made me even more pissed that it's a red card, he genuinely lifted his toe off the ground. Hardly violent behaviour

For me, never a red card, not even a foul, nevermind a penalty. I'm stunned with the amount of people blaming Marshall.

Yes its here he don't kick out really some guy come from within the crowd who's happened to be in an invisible suit he then grabs marshalls leg and swings it towards Derbyshire. weather he got pulled back ot not you cant kick out. ref should of blown up for free kick to us but that' does not justify what happened imo. We are all city fans but sometimes you have to accept its OUR players fault at times.

That video has made me even more pissed that it's a red card, he genuinely lifted his toe off the ground. Hardly violent behaviour

For me, never a red card, not even a foul, nevermind a penalty. I'm stunned with the amount of people blaming Marshall.

Even Slade said Marshall left the ref with no choice. As the rules stand (however stupid those rules may be), it was a sending off offence. He kicked out at the player, does'nt matter whether any contact was made, it's a sending off offence however trivial we may think it is. If it was'nt a sending off offence, Cardiff would appeal and get the red card rescinded. They won't because thay know they have'nt got a leg to stand on.

Marshall is a clown aiming a kick at Devonshire and probably cost us the game although they were the better team even before the sending off.
Contact or no contact it's the intent and no one can argue there was intent even Slade has come out and said he has no complaints about it.
Some on here need to take the blinkers off and accept the reality.

Cardiff City boss Russell Slade accepts that goalkeeper David Marshall deserved to be sent off during his side's 2-1 defeat at Rotherham.

He said: "Should we have been down to 10 men? Yes. Should it have been a penalty? No. The first offence is a free-kick to ourselves. It's a free-kick on Marshall. How the referee can say that he has not seen that is beyond me.

Cardiff City boss Russell Slade accepts that goalkeeper David Marshall deserved to be sent off during his side's 2-1 defeat at Rotherham.

He said: "Should we have been down to 10 men? Yes. Should it have been a penalty? No. The first offence is a free-kick to ourselves. It's a free-kick on Marshall. How the referee can say that he has not seen that is beyond me.

Slade is absolutely spot on in everything he said there.

Cardiff City boss Russell Slade accepts that goalkeeper David Marshall deserved to be sent off during his side's 2-1 defeat at Rotherham.

He said: "Should we have been down to 10 men? Yes. Should it have been a penalty? No. The first offence is a free-kick to ourselves. It's a free-kick on Marshall. How the referee can say that he has not seen that is beyond me.

Slade is absolutely spot on in everything he said there.

Totally agree.

Now lets get behind the squad that have made themselves available over these next 3 games that could be Slades future or not.

Another thing is Marshall only makes a half hearted appeal against the red card,so in his own mind he knew he had done wrong. When was the last time you saw a player walk off without complaining if he thought he hadn't done anything wrong.