" A POINT CLOSER TO FRANCE/ BUT "

Just left stadium

My View/Opinion

A point closer to France,But We Rely on Bale and our defence.
We will qualify no doubt


WALES 0 ISRAEL 0

Wales Team Hennessey, Gunter, Williams, Davies, Richards, Taylor, King, Edwards, Ramsey, Bale, Robson Kanu.

Subs - Chester, Fon Williams, MacDonald, Church, Vokes, Vaughan, Cotterill, Collins, Lawrence, Ward, Williams, Henley.


Wales defence once again solid



Only conceded 2 goals in 8 games

Upfront relying totally on Gareth Bale

Crowd 32,653
Incl 200 Israel

Atmosphere superb leading up to kick off, then continued for the first 25 mins.

Wales dominated first half, but only made their keeper make straight forward saves.

200 Israel fans sang a few times

Half-time 0-0

Wales Dominated again the second half, Gareth Bale header and a free kick were our best chances

83 min great save by Wales goalie Hennessy

87 min Gareth Bale made Israel goalie save a close shot

92 mins Wales goal off side Simon Church

Full time WALES 0 ISRAEL 0

Welsh team had a standing ovation at end for effort


Up next Bosnia Away 10th October

To much sideways passing, it was like having 3 or 4 Whittinghams on the field

Very frustrating game to watch.

Israel basically park their bus in their own penalty box in the hope they would survive for 75 minutes to try ad nick a goal. They never look like getting that goal and when they tried to break you could see they were not going to commit to much up front. They had that one chance and after that it was back to parking the bus in the penalty area again.

The number of times we couldv tried to put a stiker through but went straight back to defence was a joke

I know I'll get slated for this post but tonight's performance showed why Coleman is a poor manager. I disagree with the 5-3-2 formation as it does not suit our defenders. We should have gone 4-4-1-1 with defence of Gunter, Williams, Davies and Taylor. Midfield should have been Ramsey and King in middle with Robson-Kanu on left and cotterill on right with bale in free role behind votes.

Coleman is a one trick pony who relies on Bale magic to get him results. Good managers are flexible and change tactics. We will still qualify but God help user we get a tough group.

Agree on bale. It's getting as bad as the Ronaldo situation at Madrid in previous seasons where everyone has it in their heads that they need to get the ball to bale as soon as possible, instead of looking for other options, and IMO Ramsey is suffering the most from this approach. He's a world class player in his own right, but he's being overlooked to often as an attacking force in favour of " getting the ball to bale and hoping he can take on everyone and score a wonder goal, we have other options going forward ( they may be limited) but they are there. iseral showed today that it's quite easy to work us out, due to our predictable ( give it to bale) game plan.

I know I'll get slated for this post but tonight's performance showed why Coleman is a poor manager. I disagree with the 5-3-2 formation as it does not suit our defenders. We should have gone 4-4-1-1 with defence of Gunter, Williams, Davies and Taylor. Midfield should have been Ramsey and King in middle with Robson-Kanu on left and cotterill on right with bale in free role behind votes.

Coleman is a one trick pony who relies on Bale magic to get him results. Good managers are flexible and change tactics. We will still qualify but God help user we get a tough group.

Why on Earth would we change formation when we've played the whole qualifying process with the same formation? It's not like it was even a must win.

We were predictable today and our strike force other than Bale is poor and to many sideways passing but its inevitable that we are through.

We were predictable today and our strike force other than Bale is poor and to many sideways passing but its inevitable that we are through.

We really are missing an out and out ian rush type striker who is unplayable over that 10yards

I know I'll get slated for this post but tonight's performance showed why Coleman is a poor manager. I disagree with the 5-3-2 formation as it does not suit our defenders. We should have gone 4-4-1-1 with defence of Gunter, Williams, Davies and Taylor. Midfield should have been Ramsey and King in middle with Robson-Kanu on left and cotterill on right with bale in free role behind votes.

Coleman is a one trick pony who relies on Bale magic to get him results. Good managers are flexible and change tactics. We will still qualify but God help user we get a tough group.

Why on Earth would we change formation when we've played the whole qualifying process with the same formation? It's not like it was even a must win.

Feel free to slate my opinion but our best players need 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Certainly not 5 at the back. Williams and Taylor are our best 2 defenders and much as I hate their club they thrive in a 4 man defence. Our group with the exception of Belguim is poor and we are over reliant on Bale. A good coach would change things. Coleman is a one trick pony.

We were predictable today and our strike force other than Bale is poor and to many sideways passing but its inevitable that we are through.

We really are missing an out and out ian rush type striker who is unplayable over that 10yards

I think that Tom Bradshaw at Walsall should get a chance.

Last edited by Rydogsccfc on Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I know I'll get slated for this post but tonight's performance showed why Coleman is a poor manager. I disagree with the 5-3-2 formation as it does not suit our defenders. We should have gone 4-4-1-1 with defence of Gunter, Williams, Davies and Taylor. Midfield should have been Ramsey and King in middle with Robson-Kanu on left and cotterill on right with bale in free role behind votes.

Coleman is a one trick pony who relies on Bale magic to get him results. Good managers are flexible and change tactics. We will still qualify but God help user we get a tough group.

Why on Earth would we change formation when we've played the whole qualifying process with the same formation? It's not like it was even a must win.

Feel free to slate my opinion but our best players need 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Certainly not 5 at the back. Williams and Taylor are our best 2 defenders and much as I hate their club they thrive in a 4 man defence. Our group with the exception of Belguim is poor and we are over reliant on Bale. A good coach would change things. Coleman is a one trick pony.

But we haven't had any need to change things we're unbeaten and haven't conceded.

We switched things up as the match went on, although I'd agree we probably should have changed things earlier on.

People are crazy
Coleman had his tactics spot on it was a game we could not afford to lose even if we are the better side
what shocked me was Israel tactics as they where happy with a pt and never opened up once

People are crazy
Coleman had his tactics spot on it was a game we could not afford to lose even if we are the better side
what shocked me was Israel tactics as they where happy with a pt and never opened up once

We had same tactics away at Andorra and were awful. Bale got us out of the crap then with his quality. The only real quality performance was Israel away. Belguim at home was a good battle as well.

I though Ramsey was the main problem tonight - he gave the ball away far too often and his all round game was below his usual high standards.

I know I'll get slated for this post but tonight's performance showed why Coleman is a poor manager. I disagree with the 5-3-2 formation as it does not suit our defenders. We should have gone 4-4-1-1 with defence of Gunter, Williams, Davies and Taylor. Midfield should have been Ramsey and King in middle with Robson-Kanu on left and cotterill on right with bale in free role behind votes.

Coleman is a one trick pony who relies on Bale magic to get him results. Good managers are flexible and change tactics. We will still qualify but God help user we get a tough group.

Why on Earth would we change formation when we've played the whole qualifying process with the same formation? It's not like it was even a must win.

Feel free to slate my opinion but our best players need 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Certainly not 5 at the back. Williams and Taylor are our best 2 defenders and much as I hate their club they thrive in a 4 man defence. Our group with the exception of Belguim is poor and we are over reliant on Bale. A good coach would change things. Coleman is a one trick pony.

Well they thrive in this defence too as we have the best defensive record in the group. Problem for me is we keep wasting possession. As good as bale is I'd like to see the stats on how many times he's lost the ball, he tries to do too much sometimes and Ramsey wasn't getting the support and being made to turn back or down a blind chanels.

Happy with a point. I cant see Israel doing better against Belgium than we do against Andorra on the final day. Even in the worst case scenario its all on Israel to do now because they didn't win tonight. Coleman was very smart tonight because it was effectively a six pointer that could have swung the balance of the group back into their favour, had they grabbed a win.

We could have been looking at had Israel grabbed a win against us tonight.

Wales 17
Belgium 17
Israel 15

Instead even if Belgium win tonight.

Wales 18
Belgium 17
Israel 13

Then if

Belgium beat Andorra
Israel beat Cyprus
We lose to Bosnia

Belgium 20
Wales 18
Israel 16

Final game Israel need to beat Belgium in Belgium and Andorra need to beat us in Wales for them to go through with

Belgium 20
Israel 19
Wales 18

Even if we draw vs Andorra and Israel win then we still go through due to H2H (one win vs Israel and one draw)

Belgium 20
Wales 19 (through on H2H)
Israel 19

Coleman played a mathematical and tactical masterstroke tonight. You have to be bloody barmy to not realise that. Had we lost 1-0 by taking silly risks and then we go into the last 2 games with it being so close, there'd have been an absolute meltdown on here and in Wales as a whole for taking risks. With some, Coleman just cannot win. All the pressure is now on Israel to beat both Cyprus and Belgium whilst we don't even get 1 point. Thats a big ask.

It is much better than

Wales 17
Belgium 17
Israel 15

I can assure you.

Good job Chris Coleman on not trying to rush the job and winning this 6 pointer. Only fools rush in!

Don't think its a case of over relying on Bale as we are just not too good up front with Ha Robson Kanul.100% for effort but just lacking in quality.I feel Ramsey needs to step up a bit with goals.

People need to calm down. If we had lost today we would be in a pressure scenario in Bosnia, a tough place to go. As it is, it wasn't a good performance but we have one foot on the plane. We are four points clear of third place with a garanteed 3 points against Andoora.

Good point Balkanblue

Good point for Wales too.

A lot of negativity on this thread. Coleman is not unable to change. He just felt it unnecessary to go all gung ho and risk even the slightest chance of not qualifying.

Nobody has mentioned the deliberate hand ball in the area right in front of the 4th official. That is the talking point we should be discussing.

The defence had another faultless game. 4 or 5 at the back? As long as they don't concede, how can you possibly say the manager got it wrong? Williams and Taylor are used to playing as part of a 4 man back line, but they have different players either side of them- premier league players.

Should have been 1-0 and possibly another booking to cool them off. As it goes, everything is on schedule so stop moaning.

People need to calm down. If we had lost today we would be in a pressure scenario in Bosnia, a tough place to go. As it is, it wasn't a good performance but we have one foot on the plane. We are four points clear of third place with a garanteed 3 points against Andoora.

Nothing is guaranteed. I bet Man City had that attitude the day we done them 3-2. Never get complacent. Having said that, I agree with the overall point of your post.

Israel need to get 6 points from 2 games whilst we don't even pick up 1 point from 2 games. I cant see it happening.

Good point Balkanblue

Good point for Wales too.

A lot of negativity on this thread. Coleman is not unable to change. He just felt it unnecessary to go all gung ho and risk even the slightest chance of not qualifying.

Nobody has mentioned the deliberate hand ball in the area right in front of the 4th official. That is the talking point we should be discussing.

The defence had another faultless game. 4 or 5 at the back? As long as they don't concede, how can you possibly say the manager got it wrong? Williams and Taylor are used to playing as part of a 4 man back line, but they have different players either side of them- premier league players.

Should have been 1-0 and possibly another booking to cool them off. As it goes, everything is on schedule so stop moaning.

Had we played 4 at back we'd have had 1 more in midfield. Williams thrives in being given options ahead of him whether it's out wide or in front of him. Playing 5 defenders misses an opportunity. If the full backs were wing backs it'd be different but Gunter and Taylor are both orthodox full backs.

This is all about opinions and mine may well be wrong but I genuinely think that Coleman is a poor manager who has got lucky with the speed legacy and quality players like Williams and bale.

Agree on bale. It's getting as bad as the Ronaldo situation at Madrid in previous seasons where everyone has it in their heads that they need to get the ball to bale as soon as possible, instead of looking for other options, and IMO Ramsey is suffering the most from this approach. He's a world class player in his own right, but he's being overlooked to often as an attacking force in favour of " getting the ball to bale and hoping he can take on everyone and score a wonder goal, we have other options going forward ( they may be limited) but they are there. iseral showed today that it's quite easy to work us out, due to our predictable ( give it to bale) game plan.

We need Allen no joe in there too, if we have them it takes the pressure off Rambo and then bale. Both the latter suffered trying to do too much and getting the basics wrong in the last 2 games.

Good point Balkanblue

Good point for Wales too.

A lot of negativity on this thread. Coleman is not unable to change. He just felt it unnecessary to go all gung ho and risk even the slightest chance of not qualifying.

Nobody has mentioned the deliberate hand ball in the area right in front of the 4th official. That is the talking point we should be discussing.

The defence had another faultless game. 4 or 5 at the back? As long as they don't concede, how can you possibly say the manager got it wrong? Williams and Taylor are used to playing as part of a 4 man back line, but they have different players either side of them- premier league players.

Should have been 1-0 and possibly another booking to cool them off. As it goes, everything is on schedule so stop moaning.

Had we played 4 at back we'd have had 1 more in midfield. Williams thrives in being given options ahead of him whether it's out wide or in front of him. Playing 5 defenders misses an opportunity. If the full backs were wing backs it'd be different but Gunter and Taylor are both orthodox full backs.

This is all about opinions and mine may well be wrong but I genuinely think that Coleman is a poor manager who has got lucky with the speed legacy and quality players like Williams and bale.

Gunter was part of the back 3, Jazz Richards was at right wb and he most certainly is a wing back.

Good point Balkanblue

Good point for Wales too.

A lot of negativity on this thread. Coleman is not unable to change. He just felt it unnecessary to go all gung ho and risk even the slightest chance of not qualifying.

Nobody has mentioned the deliberate hand ball in the area right in front of the 4th official. That is the talking point we should be discussing.

The defence had another faultless game. 4 or 5 at the back? As long as they don't concede, how can you possibly say the manager got it wrong? Williams and Taylor are used to playing as part of a 4 man back line, but they have different players either side of them- premier league players.

Should have been 1-0 and possibly another booking to cool them off. As it goes, everything is on schedule so stop moaning.

Had we played 4 at back we'd have had 1 more in midfield. Williams thrives in being given options ahead of him whether it's out wide or in front of him. Playing 5 defenders misses an opportunity. If the full backs were wing backs it'd be different but Gunter and Taylor are both orthodox full backs.

This is all about opinions and mine may well be wrong but I genuinely think that Coleman is a poor manager who has got lucky with the speed legacy and quality players like Williams and bale.

Gunter was part of the back 3, Jazz Richards was at right wb and he most certainly is a wing back.

Richards is more attacking but none of our full backs are wing backs.

I know my argument does not appear strong given our position in the group but with exception of Belguim we are in a poor group.

People need to calm down. If we had lost today we would be in a pressure scenario in Bosnia, a tough place to go. As it is, it wasn't a good performance but we have one foot on the plane. We are four points clear of third place with a garanteed 3 points against Andoora.

Nothing is guaranteed. I bet Man City had that attitude the day we done them 3-2. Never get complacent. Having said that, I agree with the overall point of your post.

Israel need to get 6 points from 2 games whilst we don't even pick up 1 point from 2 games. I cant see it happening.

This^ everyone saying andora is a gimme. They could come and park the bus, and frustrate the fuk out of us, and then who knows. We do well when teams come on to us and invite us into a battle, (belgium fell for it hook line and sinker) but when teams park their arses like today, we run out of ideas pretty quickly because we rely to much on one player one game plan. It's served us well in these qualifiers and fairplay to Coleman, it should see us qualfy, but we deffo need more options if we are gonna open up these stubborn motherfukas like today. I ain't complaining though, as long as I get to go France I couldn't give fuk.

People need to calm down. If we had lost today we would be in a pressure scenario in Bosnia, a tough place to go. As it is, it wasn't a good performance but we have one foot on the plane. We are four points clear of third place with a garanteed 3 points against Andoora.

Nothing is guaranteed. I bet Man City had that attitude the day we done them 3-2. Never get complacent. Having said that, I agree with the overall point of your post.

Israel need to get 6 points from 2 games whilst we don't even pick up 1 point from 2 games. I cant see it happening.

This^ everyone saying andora is a gimme. They could come and park the bus, and frustrate the fuk out of us, and then who knows. We do well when teams come on to us and invite us into a battle, (belgium fell for it hook line and sinker) but when teams park their arses like today, we run out of ideas pretty quickly because we rely to much on one player one game plan. It's served us well in these qualifiers and fairplay to Coleman, it should see us qualfy, but we deffo need more options if we are gonna open up these stubborn motherfukas like today. I ain't complaining though, as long as I get to go France I couldn't give fuk.

Andorra away was dodgy. 2 bits of class from bale gave us the points. Imagine he hasn't played that day?!

We've gained an important point and were now one step closer. Shame we couldn't get the job done today but we've got plenty more opportunities - WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES

Support was magnificent today

The two joes in the middle are a huge part of how we play. To be without both of them is tough.


Also, cyprus belgium still 0 0 at the moment

People need to calm down. If we had lost today we would be in a pressure scenario in Bosnia, a tough place to go. As it is, it wasn't a good performance but we have one foot on the plane. We are four points clear of third place with a garanteed 3 points against Andoora.

Nothing is guaranteed. I bet Man City had that attitude the day we done them 3-2. Never get complacent. Having said that, I agree with the overall point of your post.

Israel need to get 6 points from 2 games whilst we don't even pick up 1 point from 2 games. I cant see it happening.

This^ everyone saying andora is a gimme. They could come and park the bus, and frustrate the fuk out of us, and then who knows. We do well when teams come on to us and invite us into a battle, (belgium fell for it hook line and sinker) but when teams park their arses like today, we run out of ideas pretty quickly because we rely to much on one player one game plan. It's served us well in these qualifiers and fairplay to Coleman, it should see us qualfy, but we deffo need more options if we are gonna open up these stubborn motherfukas like today. I ain't complaining though, as long as I get to go France I couldn't give fuk.

Andorra away was dodgy. 2 bits of class from bale gave us the points. Imagine he hasn't played that day?!

Yes and imagine if the game had been played on grass instead of that abortion of a pitch. Wales will beat Andorra by a minimum of 2 goals. There I said it (or typed it).