England's biggest club V Wales biggest club

Is that a fair description of Sundays match Swans v Man U

Is that a fair description of Sundays match Swans v Man U

the bigest ego's you could be right
and i see you are still asking whereami? so still lost!!

Man United used to be the bigger club but in my view I see man City and Chelsea above them

Probably. On both counts.

But does it matter? This back and forth point scoring is becoming very tedious.

No.

Swansea are Wales' most successful club, in recent years. But Cardiff City are still the biggest club in Wales.

Manchester United are just about the biggest club in England. To the above post - Chelsea or City will NEVER be bigger than United. Liverpool are the closest to them.

Another reason why I hate those Gypos so much that they are forcing me to support those dirty Mancs for two games this season. For god sakes

Didn't realise United were playing The New Saints

Most famous clubs... Cardiff v Liverpool.

Most famous clubs... Cardiff v Liverpool.

That's a different topic

Most famous clubs... Cardiff v Liverpool.

That's a different topic

Answering yourself with yet another account? How very sad Roathy...

Most famous clubs... Cardiff v Liverpool.

The big club thing is obvious. Bigger population, bigger surrounding area, bigger stadium, EASY.

But most famous? Have you seen the coverage the Jaxx are getting worldwide? Selling shirts in the US, releasing a film, etc.??

Fame belongs down the road, be honest.

Man United used to be the bigger club but in my view I see man City and Chelsea above them

Can't stand either of them clubs....man city if I had to choice between the three. But there's no way Chelsea and man city are bigger than man united. Man united dwarf them clubs in every way.

Most famous clubs... Cardiff v Liverpool.

That's a different topic

Love to beat them again, it'll be the 4th time on the spin

33,000 watch us in Miller park, Milwaukee last year, granted most were there to watch the Mexican side Chivas but still, 66,000 eyeballs watching, who'd have thought 12 years ago.

Most famous clubs... Cardiff v Liverpool.

The big club thing is obvious. Bigger population, bigger surrounding area, bigger stadium, EASY.

But most famous? Have you seen the coverage the Jaxx are getting worldwide? Selling shirts in the US, releasing a film, etc.??

Fame belongs down the road, be honest.

If you're referring to Cardiff then how does that work ?
Bigger population: attendances are not in proportion to the population and haven't been for many a year , a slight blip during the PL season as we all know.
bigger surrounding area: again as above if that was the case then some previous calls to use the Millennium Stadium would have been justified .
bigger stadium , 1 stand closed and the remaining attendance areas available is at most 2/3rds full

Liverpool one of the biggest clubs with a world wide appeal , just visit Anfield on a match day and you'll see what I mean

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

Hi Roathy,

I agree, Swansea have an excellent side and are continuously over achieving, which is a credit to decision making from top to bottom. Having gone into administration and having a CVA taken out against the club, being prudent and structured was a lesson learnt from previous mistakes. However, potential plays a key part in this. Swansea will never beat Cardiff at this in my eyes. You only have to look at history to see that 'we' (as you're a Cardiff fan in this username) can attract these sort of crowds. Premier league money has done you well and you can argue that it's brought you 'growth'. But it's like saying Wigan were a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday when Wigan were in the premier league, it's a non starter in that case. Let's just cast back to Swansea's promotion winning season. Swansea averaged 13,000 that season. Is that a sign of a big club?

I'm sorry. How can we be possibly bigger than them? Jesus is this debate still going on?

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

Hi Roathy,

I agree, Swansea have an excellent side and are continuously over achieving, which is a credit to decision making from top to bottom. Having gone into administration and having a CVA taken out against the club, being prudent and structured was a lesson learnt from previous mistakes. However, potential plays a key part in this. Swansea will never beat Cardiff at this in my eyes. You only have to look at history to see that 'we' (as you're a Cardiff fan in this username) can attract these sort of crowds. Premier league money has done you well and you can argue that it's brought you 'growth'. But it's like saying Wigan were a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday when Wigan were in the premier league, it's a non starter in that case. Let's just cast back to Swansea's promotion winning season. Swansea averaged 13,000 that season. Is that a sign of a big club?

Thats all well and good mate, but name calling aside - we still aint bigger than the jacks. Your comparison is silly. We have been in the top flight once in over 50 years (finishing bottom) and havent won a major trophy in almost double that.

I agree with the poster above, it just isnt possible. People need to stop clutching at straws and start working to get us competing with them again. You wont find many outside CF11 thinking we are the bigger club thats for sure.

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

Hi Roathy,

I agree, Swansea have an excellent side and are continuously over achieving, which is a credit to decision making from top to bottom. Having gone into administration and having a CVA taken out against the club, being prudent and structured was a lesson learnt from previous mistakes. However, potential plays a key part in this. Swansea will never beat Cardiff at this in my eyes. You only have to look at history to see that 'we' (as you're a Cardiff fan in this username) can attract these sort of crowds. Premier league money has done you well and you can argue that it's brought you 'growth'. But it's like saying Wigan were a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday when Wigan were in the premier league, it's a non starter in that case. Let's just cast back to Swansea's promotion winning season. Swansea averaged 13,000 that season. Is that a sign of a big club?

Thats all well and good mate, but name calling aside - we still aint bigger than the jacks. Your comparison is silly. We have been in the top flight once in over 50 years (finishing bottom) and havent won a major trophy in almost double that.

I agree with the poster above, it just isnt possible. People need to stop clutching at straws and start working to get us competing with them again. You wont find many outside CF11 thinking we are the bigger club thats for sure.

being in premier 5yrs does that make them a bigger club?? thats like saying if man u were in champ and swans in premier for 5yrs they are bigger than utd!!! more successful than us you can argue but even that is based on premiership years , you cannot take recent history as base line its the total history!! mind you swans fans seem to think clubs history only started 5rs ago !!!

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

Hi Roathy,

I agree, Swansea have an excellent side and are continuously over achieving, which is a credit to decision making from top to bottom. Having gone into administration and having a CVA taken out against the club, being prudent and structured was a lesson learnt from previous mistakes. However, potential plays a key part in this. Swansea will never beat Cardiff at this in my eyes. You only have to look at history to see that 'we' (as you're a Cardiff fan in this username) can attract these sort of crowds. Premier league money has done you well and you can argue that it's brought you 'growth'. But it's like saying Wigan were a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday when Wigan were in the premier league, it's a non starter in that case. Let's just cast back to Swansea's promotion winning season. Swansea averaged 13,000 that season. Is that a sign of a big club?

Thats all well and good mate, but name calling aside - we still aint bigger than the jacks. Your comparison is silly. We have been in the top flight once in over 50 years (finishing bottom) and havent won a major trophy in almost double that.

I agree with the poster above, it just isnt possible. People need to stop clutching at straws and start working to get us competing with them again. You wont find many outside CF11 thinking we are the bigger club thats for sure.

being in premier 5yrs does that make them a bigger club?? thats like saying if man u were in champ and swans in premier for 5yrs they are bigger than utd!!! more successful than us you can argue but even that is based on premiership years , you cannot take recent history as base line its the total history!! mind you swans fans seem to think clubs history only started 5rs ago !!!

You cant compare us to United, as United have a massive history and are just massive. Yes its one of the reasons why they're bigger.

I'm sorry. How can we be possibly bigger than them? Jesus is this debate still going on?

in what way are they bigger????

I'm sorry. How can we be possibly bigger than them? Jesus is this debate still going on?

how are they bigger????

They're getting bigger attendances. Much more successful. Have more fans around the world. Bigger income. All factors of making a big club. Hate to say it but the jacks are on the brink of something huge.

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

Hi Roathy,

I agree, Swansea have an excellent side and are continuously over achieving, which is a credit to decision making from top to bottom. Having gone into administration and having a CVA taken out against the club, being prudent and structured was a lesson learnt from previous mistakes. However, potential plays a key part in this. Swansea will never beat Cardiff at this in my eyes. You only have to look at history to see that 'we' (as you're a Cardiff fan in this username) can attract these sort of crowds. Premier league money has done you well and you can argue that it's brought you 'growth'. But it's like saying Wigan were a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday when Wigan were in the premier league, it's a non starter in that case. Let's just cast back to Swansea's promotion winning season. Swansea averaged 13,000 that season. Is that a sign of a big club?

Thats all well and good mate, but name calling aside - we still aint bigger than the jacks. Your comparison is silly. We have been in the top flight once in over 50 years (finishing bottom) and havent won a major trophy in almost double that.

I agree with the poster above, it just isnt possible. People need to stop clutching at straws and start working to get us competing with them again. You wont find many outside CF11 thinking we are the bigger club thats for sure.

being in premier 5yrs does that make them a bigger club?? thats like saying if man u were in champ and swans in premier for 5yrs they are bigger than utd!!! more successful than us you can argue but even that is based on premiership years , you cannot take recent history as base line its the total history!! mind you swans fans seem to think clubs history only started 5rs ago !!!

You cant compare us to United, as United have a massive history and are just massive. Yes its one of the reasons why they're bigger.

actually was comparing swans not us, if read all the posts relevant, the arguement is that swansea are bigger club than us! and the basis of the arguement is because they have been in premier for 5yrs. so in what way are they bigger????

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

Hi Roathy,

I agree, Swansea have an excellent side and are continuously over achieving, which is a credit to decision making from top to bottom. Having gone into administration and having a CVA taken out against the club, being prudent and structured was a lesson learnt from previous mistakes. However, potential plays a key part in this. Swansea will never beat Cardiff at this in my eyes. You only have to look at history to see that 'we' (as you're a Cardiff fan in this username) can attract these sort of crowds. Premier league money has done you well and you can argue that it's brought you 'growth'. But it's like saying Wigan were a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday when Wigan were in the premier league, it's a non starter in that case. Let's just cast back to Swansea's promotion winning season. Swansea averaged 13,000 that season. Is that a sign of a big club?

Thats all well and good mate, but name calling aside - we still aint bigger than the jacks. Your comparison is silly. We have been in the top flight once in over 50 years (finishing bottom) and havent won a major trophy in almost double that.

I agree with the poster above, it just isnt possible. People need to stop clutching at straws and start working to get us competing with them again. You wont find many outside CF11 thinking we are the bigger club thats for sure.

being in premier 5yrs does that make them a bigger club?? thats like saying if man u were in champ and swans in premier for 5yrs they are bigger than utd!!! more successful than us you can argue but even that is based on premiership years , you cannot take recent history as base line its the total history!! mind you swans fans seem to think clubs history only started 5rs ago !!!

Again a silly comparison. Before they got to the Premier League there was little between the two clubs as it was. The majority of the time being spent in the basement leagues pulling in crowds of 4,000. We now get gates of 14,000 and haven't won a major trophy in nearly a century. Im sorry but there is no contest these days.

I'm sorry. How can we be possibly bigger than them? Jesus is this debate still going on?

how are they bigger????

They're getting bigger attendances. Much more successful. Have more fans around the world. Bigger income. All factors of making a big club. Hate to say it but the jacks are on the brink of something huge.

last season is only time in past decade possibly longer ???? that they have had bigger crowds!!! bigger income largely because of premier money, more fans (world) based i presume on fact in premier? if drop out will they still have!!!! success is that last 5yrs in premier or club history? our success total history wise is better!!! generally the arguement is based purely on them being in premier take that away are they bigger???

I'm sorry. How can we be possibly bigger than them? Jesus is this debate still going on?

how are they bigger????

They're getting bigger attendances. Much more successful. Have more fans around the world. Bigger income. All factors of making a big club. Hate to say it but the jacks are on the brink of something huge.

last season is only time in past decade possibly longer ???? that they have had bigger crowds!!! bigger income largely because of premier money, more fans (world) based i presume on fact in premier? if drop out will they still have!!!! success is that last 5yrs in premier or club history? our success total history wise is better!!! generally the arguement is based purely on them being in premier take that away are they bigger???

Thats like saying "messi is the best player in the world based on his dribbling and scoring - take that away and would he still be the best?" Its irrelevant, he scores shed loads and dribbles around defenders for fun.

I think any if us are actually trying to make a case that we are still bigger than the jacks, then they are either kidding themselves or severely delusional.

Hi Roathy,

I agree, Swansea have an excellent side and are continuously over achieving, which is a credit to decision making from top to bottom. Having gone into administration and having a CVA taken out against the club, being prudent and structured was a lesson learnt from previous mistakes. However, potential plays a key part in this. Swansea will never beat Cardiff at this in my eyes. You only have to look at history to see that 'we' (as you're a Cardiff fan in this username) can attract these sort of crowds. Premier league money has done you well and you can argue that it's brought you 'growth'. But it's like saying Wigan were a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday when Wigan were in the premier league, it's a non starter in that case. Let's just cast back to Swansea's promotion winning season. Swansea averaged 13,000 that season. Is that a sign of a big club?

Thats all well and good mate, but name calling aside - we still aint bigger than the jacks. Your comparison is silly. We have been in the top flight once in over 50 years (finishing bottom) and havent won a major trophy in almost double that.

I agree with the poster above, it just isnt possible. People need to stop clutching at straws and start working to get us competing with them again. You wont find many outside CF11 thinking we are the bigger club thats for sure.

being in premier 5yrs does that make them a bigger club?? thats like saying if man u were in champ and swans in premier for 5yrs they are bigger than utd!!! more successful than us you can argue but even that is based on premiership years , you cannot take recent history as base line its the total history!! mind you swans fans seem to think clubs history only started 5rs ago !!!

Again a silly comparison. Before they got to the Premier League there was little between the two clubs as it was. The majority of the time being spent in the basement leagues pulling in crowds of 4,000. We now get gates of 14,000 and haven't won a major trophy in nearly a century. Im sorry but there is no contest these days.

still havnt said how they are bigger just its no contest!!! prior to premier there was quite alot of difference like said history is total not selective but anyway cant argue with a swansea fan so

1) more fans in UK
2) more fans globally
3) world wide global exposure
4) financial clout
5) a major trophy in the professional/modern era
6) a succesful european campaign again beamed across the globe
7) better facilities
8) category 1 academy status
9) now getting better attendances than us
10) attracting world famous players/managers with ease

The list goes on

In a strange sort of way, though, they need us, otherwise we would not have posts like this. Doesn't matter how successful Swansea are, they have got no one else. We've got the Severnside derby this season. Might not excite the youngsters, but for those of us of a certain age, it's a big game. If you talk to sensible Swansea fans, they say that they miss our games. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but if we're not playing each other, and one club is doing much better than the other, then we will hear less and less of it. Can't honestly say I miss playing Swansea, myself.