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' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:11 pm

There has been media reports and quotes recently regarding Sam Hammam and the club regarding Langston, the Life Presidency, Michael Filiou and FAW arbitrators.

The media reports have been wide of the mark to say the least.

Sam Hammam has not asked the FAW to act as arbitrators between himself and the club.

Breaking the issues down into 3 topics, this is my understanding of the situation.

LANGSTON

Wales Online reported that Sam Hammam asked the FAW to act as arbitrators on the dispute between Sam and the club, this is not true, it is a court matter and the FAW have not been asked to intervene.


LIFE PRESIDENT

Wales Online and the BBC reported Sam Hammam will be removed on July 17th and again that Sam Hammam requested that the FAW act as arbitrators in the matter, again this is not true. I also understand that Sam Hammam will not be removed as life president. The rights and duties of the Life President is a dispute that will be heard in court and will be dealt with as a court matter.

MICHAEL FILIOU

In another report online, it has been stated that Michael Filiou has already been removed as a director, I understand that this is not the case but it is something the club wish to do, if Filiou had been removed then there is no matter for the FAW to act as arbitrators on, so I question is it the case that the club want to remove Filiou but have not done so and is this why the FAW are involved.

So Sam Hammam has not requested the FAW to become involved as the matters relating to him are going through the court process, so I think it is safe to deduce that the FAW are involved over the club trying to remove Filiou as a director, yet it is claimed he has already been removed, if he has been removed then why are the club 'welcoming' the FAW to arbitrate ? Either Filiou is a director and the FAW are involved as arbitrators or he has been removed and then there is nothing to arbitrate.

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:23 am

Sam Hammam is the past. Well, he should be, anyway. Why are people so obsessed with someone who made such a mess of the club and continues to do so? The vast majority of fans really aren't interested. :sladein:

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:34 am

Completely agree with the above post. Why are fans still obsessed by this man. We're in this mess because of this man to start with. Yes people go on about him saving the club... but so did Tan at the time, yet you hate Tan.

Sam is in the past, leave him there. Should have nothing to do with this club. Ruined Wimbledon and almost ruined us on many occasions!

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:16 am

carlccfc wrote:There has been media reports and quotes recently regarding Sam Hammam and the club regarding Langston, the Life Presidency, Michael Filiou and FAW arbitrators.

The media reports have been wide of the mark to say the least.

Sam Hammam has not asked the FAW to act as arbitrators between himself and the club.

Breaking the issues down into 3 topics, this is my understanding of the situation.

LANGSTON

Wales Online reported that Sam Hammam asked the FAW to act as arbitrators on the dispute between Sam and the club, this is not true, it is a court matter and the FAW have not been asked to intervene.


LIFE PRESIDENT

Wales Online and the BBC reported Sam Hammam will be removed on July 17th and again that Sam Hammam requested that the FAW act as arbitrators in the matter, again this is not true. I also understand that Sam Hammam will not be removed as life president. The rights and duties of the Life President is a dispute that will be heard in court and will be dealt with as a court matter.

MICHAEL FILIOU

In another report online, it has been stated that Michael Filiou has already been removed as a director, I understand that this is not the case but it is something the club wish to do, if Filiou had been removed then there is no matter for the FAW to act as arbitrators on, so I question is it the case that the club want to remove Filiou but have not done so and is this why the FAW are involved.

So Sam Hammam has not requested the FAW to become involved as the matters relating to him are going through the court process, so I think it is safe to deduce that the FAW are involved over the club trying to remove Filiou as a director, yet it is claimed he has already been removed, if he has been removed then why are the club 'welcoming' the FAW to arbitrate ? Either Filiou is a director and the FAW are involved as arbitrators or he has been removed and then there is nothing to arbitrate.


I agree with the previous two posters it's now irritating to hear this mans name on here! He's gone and hopefully will never have anything to do with our club again! We have enough to contend with having Tan at the helm and these sort of posts are just boring and unnecessary in my view!

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:39 am

I tend to agree, that although overall I have pleasant memories of Sam as our owner, he is history and his name cropping up in connection with the club is irritating. The only ones who have real interest in him these days are those he communicates with like Annis and Carl, which is understandable

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:00 am

carlccfc wrote:There has been media reports and quotes recently regarding Sam Hammam and the club regarding Langston, the Life Presidency, Michael Filiou and FAW arbitrators.

The media reports have been wide of the mark to say the least.

Sam Hammam has not asked the FAW to act as arbitrators between himself and the club.

Breaking the issues down into 3 topics, this is my understanding of the situation.

LANGSTON

Wales Online reported that Sam Hammam asked the FAW to act as arbitrators on the dispute between Sam and the club, this is not true, it is a court matter and the FAW have not been asked to intervene.


LIFE PRESIDENT

Wales Online and the BBC reported Sam Hammam will be removed on July 17th and again that Sam Hammam requested that the FAW act as arbitrators in the matter, again this is not true. I also understand that Sam Hammam will not be removed as life president. The rights and duties of the Life President is a dispute that will be heard in court and will be dealt with as a court matter.

MICHAEL FILIOU

In another report online, it has been stated that Michael Filiou has already been removed as a director, I understand that this is not the case but it is something the club wish to do, if Filiou had been removed then there is no matter for the FAW to act as arbitrators on, so I question is it the case that the club want to remove Filiou but have not done so and is this why the FAW are involved.

So Sam Hammam has not requested the FAW to become involved as the matters relating to him are going through the court process, so I think it is safe to deduce that the FAW are involved over the club trying to remove Filiou as a director, yet it is claimed he has already been removed, if he has been removed then why are the club 'welcoming' the FAW to arbitrate ? Either Filiou is a director and the FAW are involved as arbitrators or he has been removed and then there is nothing to arbitrate.


Sam is lower than a snakes belly, morals of an alley cat.

Worst thing to probably ever happen to CCFC- only reason some fans like him is he took them on a champagne lifestyle and gave them information to tell their friends.

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:10 am

cecilccfc wrote:
carlccfc wrote:There has been media reports and quotes recently regarding Sam Hammam and the club regarding Langston, the Life Presidency, Michael Filiou and FAW arbitrators.

The media reports have been wide of the mark to say the least.

Sam Hammam has not asked the FAW to act as arbitrators between himself and the club.

Breaking the issues down into 3 topics, this is my understanding of the situation.

LANGSTON

Wales Online reported that Sam Hammam asked the FAW to act as arbitrators on the dispute between Sam and the club, this is not true, it is a court matter and the FAW have not been asked to intervene.


LIFE PRESIDENT

Wales Online and the BBC reported Sam Hammam will be removed on July 17th and again that Sam Hammam requested that the FAW act as arbitrators in the matter, again this is not true. I also understand that Sam Hammam will not be removed as life president. The rights and duties of the Life President is a dispute that will be heard in court and will be dealt with as a court matter.

MICHAEL FILIOU

In another report online, it has been stated that Michael Filiou has already been removed as a director, I understand that this is not the case but it is something the club wish to do, if Filiou had been removed then there is no matter for the FAW to act as arbitrators on, so I question is it the case that the club want to remove Filiou but have not done so and is this why the FAW are involved.

So Sam Hammam has not requested the FAW to become involved as the matters relating to him are going through the court process, so I think it is safe to deduce that the FAW are involved over the club trying to remove Filiou as a director, yet it is claimed he has already been removed, if he has been removed then why are the club 'welcoming' the FAW to arbitrate ? Either Filiou is a director and the FAW are involved as arbitrators or he has been removed and then there is nothing to arbitrate.


Sam is lower than a snakes belly, morals of an alley cat.

Worst thing to probably ever happen to CCFC- only reason some fans like him is he took them on a champagne lifestyle and gave them information to tell their friends.


I would not trust the guy as far as I could throw him . Why won't he tell us who Langstone are. What has had to hide ? Are they linked to arm dealers , terriost groups etc I think it is important that we know Based in Switzerland always stinks of something underhanded

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:58 am

carlccfc wrote:There has been media reports and quotes recently regarding Sam Hammam and the club regarding Langston, the Life Presidency, Michael Filiou and FAW arbitrators.

The media reports have been wide of the mark to say the least.

Sam Hammam has not asked the FAW to act as arbitrators between himself and the club.

Breaking the issues down into 3 topics, this is my understanding of the situation.

LANGSTON

Wales Online reported that Sam Hammam asked the FAW to act as arbitrators on the dispute between Sam and the club, this is not true, it is a court matter and the FAW have not been asked to intervene.


LIFE PRESIDENT

Wales Online and the BBC reported Sam Hammam will be removed on July 17th and again that Sam Hammam requested that the FAW act as arbitrators in the matter, again this is not true. I also understand that Sam Hammam will not be removed as life president. The rights and duties of the Life President is a dispute that will be heard in court and will be dealt with as a court matter.

MICHAEL FILIOU

In another report online, it has been stated that Michael Filiou has already been removed as a director, I understand that this is not the case but it is something the club wish to do, if Filiou had been removed then there is no matter for the FAW to act as arbitrators on, so I question is it the case that the club want to remove Filiou but have not done so and is this why the FAW are involved.

So Sam Hammam has not requested the FAW to become involved as the matters relating to him are going through the court process, so I think it is safe to deduce that the FAW are involved over the club trying to remove Filiou as a director, yet it is claimed he has already been removed, if he has been removed then why are the club 'welcoming' the FAW to arbitrate ? Either Filiou is a director and the FAW are involved as arbitrators or he has been removed and then there is nothing to arbitrate.



The Sam PR machine was slow to respond :oops: :oops: :oops:

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:13 pm

bluebird58 wrote:Sam Hammam is the past. Well, he should be, anyway. Why are people so obsessed with someone who made such a mess of the club and continues to do so? The vast majority of fans really aren't interested. :sladein:


Because Tan is obsessed with Sam, just like he was Malky and look where that got him.

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:55 pm

want sham to stay as far away from this club as possible :evil: :evil:

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:56 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
bluebird58 wrote:Sam Hammam is the past. Well, he should be, anyway. Why are people so obsessed with someone who made such a mess of the club and continues to do so? The vast majority of fans really aren't interested. :sladein:


Because Tan is obsessed with Sam, just like he was Malky and look where that got him.

It was all going to agreement before all the talk of consortium s etc then the club stopped paying seems like Sam has rubbed the club up the wrong way

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:12 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluebird58 wrote:Sam Hammam is the past. Well, he should be, anyway. Why are people so obsessed with someone who made such a mess of the club and continues to do so? The vast majority of fans really aren't interested. :sladein:


Because Tan is obsessed with Sam, just like he was Malky and look where that got him.

It was all going to agreement before all the talk of consortium s etc then the club stopped paying seems like Sam has rubbed the club up the wrong way


Wez, I look forward to the out come :thumbright: I think Malky must of as well :lol:

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:13 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:Completely agree with the above post. Why are fans still obsessed by this man. We're in this mess because of this man to start with. Yes people go on about him saving the club... but so did Tan at the time, yet you hate Tan.

Sam is in the past, leave him there. Should have nothing to do with this club. Ruined Wimbledon and almost ruined us on many occasions!


Sam didn't save the club but made us believe again. He gave us a ride we will never forget. That's why we have a fondness for Sam.

On the other hand however I also appreciate Tan for saving the club.

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:23 pm

maccydee wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Completely agree with the above post. Why are fans still obsessed by this man. We're in this mess because of this man to start with. Yes people go on about him saving the club... but so did Tan at the time, yet you hate Tan.

Sam is in the past, leave him there. Should have nothing to do with this club. Ruined Wimbledon and almost ruined us on many occasions!


Sam didn't save the club but made us believe again. He gave us a ride we will never forget. That's why we have a fondness for Sam.

On the other hand however I also appreciate Tan for saving the club.


Sam saved us, no one wanted City in them days, Borley and co,could not afford to keep us going, Sam put £3.5 mill in and wiped our debts out,we were a struggling 4th Div club,Sam made mistakes along the way,butmade us believe again :thumbright:

Tan saved us and then destroyed us :bluescarf:

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:28 pm

Yes but the only reason Tan was able to 'destroy' us was due to the debt owed to Langston which Sam racked up?

Personally they are both as bad as each other. What I don't understand his how some people can defend Sam all the way, while at the same time vilifying Tan?

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:30 pm

Mikey27 wrote:Yes but the only reason Tan was able to 'destroy' us was due to the debt owed to Langston which Sam racked up?

Personally they are both as bad as each other. What I don't understand his how some people can defend Sam all the way, while at the same time vilifying Tan?


HAVE YOU FORGOT TANS DESPICABLE REBRAND/ STRIPPING US OF OUR IDENTITY & PRIDE :bluescarf:

Sam made many mistakes.

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:37 pm

Leytonstoneblue wrote:I tend to agree, that although overall I have pleasant memories of Sam as our owner, he is history and his name cropping up in connection with the club is irritating. The only ones who have real interest in him these days are those he communicates with like Annis and Carl, which is understandable



No Tan is obsessed with Sam and Malky.
The media is contacted every couple of weeks and pathetic stories come out, I would not be talking about him other wise.
But I like to see the truth come out,whether it's Sam,Tan or Malky :thumbright: :thumbright: :thumbright:

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:50 pm

I dislike Tan as much as the next guy but can't you say that Tan has made mistakes, just like sam, that he is now learning from?

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:57 pm

Mikey27 wrote:I dislike Tan as much as the next guy but can't you say that Tan has made mistakes, just like sam, that he is now learning from?

Annis just doesn't like tan full stop lol

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:02 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Completely agree with the above post. Why are fans still obsessed by this man. We're in this mess because of this man to start with. Yes people go on about him saving the club... but so did Tan at the time, yet you hate Tan.

Sam is in the past, leave him there. Should have nothing to do with this club. Ruined Wimbledon and almost ruined us on many occasions!


Sam didn't save the club but made us believe again. He gave us a ride we will never forget. That's why we have a fondness for Sam.

On the other hand however I also appreciate Tan for saving the club.


Sam saved us, no one wanted City in them days, Borley and co,could not afford to keep us going, Sam put £3.5 mill in and wiped our debts out,we were a struggling 4th Div club,Sam made mistakes along the way,butmade us believe again :thumbright:

Tan saved us and then destroyed us :bluescarf:

Sam may well have saved us at one time, but he dropped us back in the shit afterwards!

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:03 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:I dislike Tan as much as the next guy but can't you say that Tan has made mistakes, just like sam, that he is now learning from?

Annis just doesn't like tan full stop lol


That’s slightly what I'm getting at. Yes Tan will never be forgiven for the rebrand but the main reason Tan was able to implement the rebrand without too much resistance from fans was due to the fact he had us by the short and curlys because of the debt owed to Sam.

I was under the impression when Sam was spending all this money in the club it was all his that we wouldn’t need to repay?

From my point of view they are both as bad as each other and you can’t criticise one without the other.

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:06 pm

Mikey27 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:I dislike Tan as much as the next guy but can't you say that Tan has made mistakes, just like sam, that he is now learning from?

Annis just doesn't like tan full stop lol


That’s slightly what I'm getting at. Yes Tan will never be forgiven for the rebrand but the main reason Tan was able to implement the rebrand without too much resistance from fans was due to the fact he had us by the short and curlys because of the debt owed to Sam.

I was under the impression when Sam was spending all this money in the club it was all his that we wouldn’t need to repay?

From my point of view they are both as bad as each other and you can’t criticise one without the other.
Sam said it was his own money when it wasn't your correct ,the club now tho are trying to make up for the rebrand ,the stadium,kit,advertising etc is bluer than its ever been ,so has tan really destroyed the club ?

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:12 pm

I don't believe he has destroyed the club but it will take a number of years to repair the damage, as you say they're going the right way about it with the amount of stuff they have done so far this season. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:22 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:I dislike Tan as much as the next guy but can't you say that Tan has made mistakes, just like sam, that he is now learning from?

Annis just doesn't like tan full stop lol


That’s slightly what I'm getting at. Yes Tan will never be forgiven for the rebrand but the main reason Tan was able to implement the rebrand without too much resistance from fans was due to the fact he had us by the short and curlys because of the debt owed to Sam.

I was under the impression when Sam was spending all this money in the club it was all his that we wouldn’t need to repay?

From my point of view they are both as bad as each other and you can’t criticise one without the other.
Sam said it was his own money when it wasn't your correct ,the club now tho are trying to make up for the rebrand ,the stadium,kit,advertising etc is bluer than its ever been ,so has tan really destroyed the club ?


Correct Wez, Sam wrote off the £3.5mill.

The club are trying I agree :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

But they also need to sort out the biggest debt in our history that Tan has created himself.

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:05 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Completely agree with the above post. Why are fans still obsessed by this man. We're in this mess because of this man to start with. Yes people go on about him saving the club... but so did Tan at the time, yet you hate Tan.

Sam is in the past, leave him there. Should have nothing to do with this club. Ruined Wimbledon and almost ruined us on many occasions!


Sam didn't save the club but made us believe again. He gave us a ride we will never forget. That's why we have a fondness for Sam.

On the other hand however I also appreciate Tan for saving the club.


Sam saved us, no one wanted City in them days, Borley and co,could not afford to keep us going, Sam put £3.5 mill in and wiped our debts out,we were a struggling 4th Div club,Sam made mistakes along the way,butmade us believe again :thumbright:

Tan saved us and then destroyed us :bluescarf:


He saved us in that we were a club going nowhere but we weren't going to go bust had he not got involved Annis. He did what others wouldn't and got us going. What a ride it was.

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:42 pm

Sam saved us so that he could do what he did to Wimbledon! But council stopped him in his tracks, also its because if his dealings with Langston that helped get us in mess we are today! :old:

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:47 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:I dislike Tan as much as the next guy but can't you say that Tan has made mistakes, just like sam, that he is now learning from?

Annis just doesn't like tan full stop lol


That’s slightly what I'm getting at. Yes Tan will never be forgiven for the rebrand but the main reason Tan was able to implement the rebrand without too much resistance from fans was due to the fact he had us by the short and curlys because of the debt owed to Sam.

I was under the impression when Sam was spending all this money in the club it was all his that we wouldn’t need to repay?

From my point of view they are both as bad as each other and you can’t criticise one without the other.
Sam said it was his own money when it wasn't your correct ,the club now tho are trying to make up for the rebrand ,the stadium,kit,advertising etc is bluer than its ever been ,so has tan really destroyed the club ?


Correct Wez, Sam wrote off the £3.5mill.

The club are trying I agree :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

But they also need to sort out the biggest debt in our history that Tan has created himself.

I wonder how much of the 24 million borrowed from langstone was in Sam's wages and his brothers wages and fees ? Maybe the 6 million owed ?

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:13 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:I dislike Tan as much as the next guy but can't you say that Tan has made mistakes, just like sam, that he is now learning from?

Annis just doesn't like tan full stop lol


That’s slightly what I'm getting at. Yes Tan will never be forgiven for the rebrand but the main reason Tan was able to implement the rebrand without too much resistance from fans was due to the fact he had us by the short and curlys because of the debt owed to Sam.

I was under the impression when Sam was spending all this money in the club it was all his that we wouldn’t need to repay?

From my point of view they are both as bad as each other and you can’t criticise one without the other.
Sam said it was his own money when it wasn't your correct ,the club now tho are trying to make up for the rebrand ,the stadium,kit,advertising etc is bluer than its ever been ,so has tan really destroyed the club ?


Correct Wez, Sam wrote off the £3.5mill.

The club are trying I agree :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

But they also need to sort out the biggest debt in our history that Tan has created himself.

I wonder how much of the 24 million borrowed from langstone was in Sam's wages and his brothers wages and fees ? Maybe the 6 million owed ?



I wonder ? :lol: Tan has spent over a £1million investigating Sam/ Langston, I am sure Tan can answer that, just like he did regarding Malky

Re: ' A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS '

Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:27 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:Yes but the only reason Tan was able to 'destroy' us was due to the debt owed to Langston which Sam racked up?

Personally they are both as bad as each other. What I don't understand his how some people can defend Sam all the way, while at the same time vilifying Tan?


HAVE YOU FORGOT TANS DESPICABLE REBRAND/ STRIPPING US OF OUR IDENTITY & PRIDE :bluescarf:

Sam made many mistakes.


I am sure Sam had plans to rebrand the club. Thankfully our support was more vociferous then and he had to back down. He did change the badge though.

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Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:49 am

Bella Blue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Mikey27 wrote:Yes but the only reason Tan was able to 'destroy' us was due to the debt owed to Langston which Sam racked up?

Personally they are both as bad as each other. What I don't understand his how some people can defend Sam all the way, while at the same time vilifying Tan?


HAVE YOU FORGOT TANS DESPICABLE REBRAND/ STRIPPING US OF OUR IDENTITY & PRIDE :bluescarf:

Sam made many mistakes.


I am sure Sam had plans to rebrand the club. Thankfully our support was more vociferous then and he had to back down. He did change the badge though.


The facts on that are as you very well know, Sam asked the fans, they said NO and he said OK :bluescarf: ayatollah: